SAYING THE JESUS PRAYER By Dr. Albert S Rossi, Director of Field Education and licensed clinical psychologist
Saturday, November 8, 2014 4:09
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“Prayer is Not Optional”
A layman at the St Vladimir’s Seminary Summer Institute, wrote this sentence as the most important thing he learned all week.
Which Words
The classical form of the Jesus Prayer is,
“Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.”
The actual words of our short prayers can vary. We might say the classic version of the Jesus Prayer, or we might say, “Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me.” We may say, “Lord Jesus, have mercy.” Or, we might say a Psalm verse, or a Bible quote, or some other prayer.
Monks of old said, “Lord, make haste to help me. Lord, make speed to save me,” all day long.
The history of the Jesus Prayer goes back, as far as we know, to the early sixth century, with Diadochos, who taught that repetition of the prayer leads to inner stillness. Even earlier John Cassian recommended this type of prayer. In the fourth century Egypt, in Nitria, short “arrow” prayers were practiced.
Abba Macarius of Egypt said there is no need to waste time with words. It is enough to hold out your hands and say, “Lord, according to your desire and your wisdom, have mercy.” If pressed in the struggle, say, “Lord, save me!” or say, “Lord.” He knows what is best for us, and will have mercy upon us.
Pray Ceaselessly We are all called to pray without ceasing, says St. Paul in 1 Thess 5:17. The real questions is, how. The Jesus Prayer provides one good way to pray constantly. In fact, the Jesus Prayer is the most widespread and most specifically Orthodox spiritual prayer, according to Metropolitan Corneanu. Our task is to draw nearer to God. St. Isaac of Syria says that it is impossible to draw near to God by any means other than increasing prayer.
The Power of the Name
Biblically, knowing a person’s name gave power over that person. Name was linked with being. In the Old Testament, God would not disclose His name. In the New Testament, Jesus explicitly gives us God’s name, Father, and tells us to use the name in prayer. Jesus gives us access to the Godhead through the name. Jesus told His Apostles that they hadn’t really used His Name in prayer enough. “Hitherto you have asked nothing in My Name; ask and you will receive, that your joy may be full” (Jn 16:23).
Hidden Martyrdom Trying to pray repetitively is an inner asceticism. According to St Ignatius Brianchaninov, trying to pray without ceasing is a “hidden martyrdom.” A casual, but profound, example of this came to a small group of high school students. They were visiting a home for unwed mothers. The woman who directs the home spoke to them for a half hour. Because the woman sensed that the students were wondering about her own faith commitment, she said, “Well, you have been here 30 minutes and I have prayed 15 times.” She hadn’t been out of their sight, nor out of their conversation. Yet, during the active interchange, this woman found the desire, attention, and time, to shoot 15 “arrow” prayers to God. That’s keen vigilance. That’s a hidden martyrdom, especially when attempted all day long. Prayer requires super-human courage, given the atmosphere of the world today. The whole ensemble of natural energies is in opposition. So says Sophrony. Lions may not eat us for the sake of the Gospel. Rather, our call to martyrdom takes the form of being attentive to the present moment, relying upon God’s power always, and doing His will. Our call to martyrdom may not be any easier than death by violence.
Who can say this prayer?
Clearly, the Jesus Prayer is not only for monks. We are told that the prayer is for cab drivers, social workers, business persons, teachers, professional baseball players (not necessarily used to win a game), psychiatrists. We use the Jesus Prayer to do God’s will, not our own bidding. Anyone, everyone can say the Jesus Prayer. There are no prerequisites for saying the Jesus Prayer. We are all sinners and need to pray, always. We try to keep the Commandments, be living members of His Body on earth, and try to find a guide. Bishop Kallistos Ware has sound advice for those who simply can’t find a suitable guide. “But those who have no personal contact with starets may still practice the Prayer without any fear, so long as they do so only for limited periods – initially, for no more than ten or fifteen minutes at a time – and so long as they make no attempt to interfere with the body’s natural rhythms.”
When to Pray The Jesus Prayer is recommended in the morning, following our prayer rule, for some period of time, perhaps 10 or 15 minutes. If that is impossible, then sometime before noon, or in the evening. This might be called “formal” use of the prayer. The second form of the Jesus Prayer is the “free” use of the prayer. This means at any and all other times of the day, or night. This is especially true for the semi-automatic tasks such as driving, doing dishes, walking, being unable to sleep, etc. The Jesus Prayer is notably useful in time of extreme concern or upset. When alone, we might find it helpful to pray the Jesus Prayer, out loud. This can help lower the distraction level.
Prayer of the Heart The Jesus Prayer is also called the Prayer of the Heart. In Orthodoxy, the mind and heart are to be used as one. St Theophan tells us to keep our “mind in the heart” at all times. Heart means the physical muscle pumping blood, and emotions/feelings, and the innermost core of the person, the spirit. Heart is associated with the physical organ, but not identical with it. Heart means our innermost chamber, our secret dwelling place where God lives. “The heart is but a small vessel; and yet dragons and lions are there, and there poisonous creatures and all the treasures of wickedness; rough, uneven paths are there, and gaping chasms. There likewise is God, there are the angels, the heavenly cities and the treasures of grace; all things are there.” So says St. Macarius. Someone said the heart is a dimension of interior consciousness, awareness, where we come in touch with an inner space, a space of no dimensions. This consciousness is timeless, the place where tears reside and deep contact with the present moment abide, and from which restful movement comes. Acting out of our heart means to act lightly, with vigor and enthusiasm. When not in that inner awareness, we are restless, agitated and self-concerned. There is within us a space, a field of the heart, in which we find a Divine Reality, and from which we are called to live. The mind, then, is to descend into that inner sanctuary, by means of the Jesus Prayer or wordless contemplation, and to stay there throughout our active day, and evening. We descend with our mind into our heart, and we live there. The heart is Christ’s palace. There, Christ the King comes to take His rest.
Silence Silence is a choice. We choose the things we want to do. These things, then, order and measure our lives. Someone said that Christians “order and measure” their lives from communion to communion. We might also say the Christians “order and measure” their lives from silence to silence. Silence, at its best, is God-awareness. We quiet down our outer and inner lives, and listen to God speak. Someone said that when God speaks, His words are like the sound of a flutter of a bird’s wings. We need to be attentive if we are to hear anything. Outer silence is a choice. When my son, in his teen years, rode with me in the family car, we cut a deal. He had the car radio half the time, and I had the car radio half the time. He always chose his half at the beginning of the trip. Like most teens, he wanted his jollies up front. For my half of the ride, I sometimes chose silence, because I like silence. I really didn’t do it to cause him pain. He, however, did sometimes have a restless and difficult time of it. Later he did tell me that he enjoyed our quiet evening rides together. Outer silence calms the senses. By contrast, sensory overload and excitement can be addictive. Inner silence can usually be achieved only by substituting one thought for another. Hence, the Jesus Prayer overrides our usual compulsive stream of consciousness about our own anxieties. Beginning with this form of prayer, then we might be led to deeper inner stillness, prayer without words. The caution here is that prayer without words is not heaviness, semi-sleep dullness. Rather, wordless prayer is alive, vigorous God-awareness. A seventeen year old said she learned recently that, “Silence is my friend.” Abba Pastor tells us that any trial which comes to us can by conquered by silence.
Contemplation
Contemplation has been described as clear awareness without words. Contemplation is a “seeing clearly.” We lay aside thoughts, not to lead to a vacuum or drowsiness, but to inner plenitude. We deny to affirm. Wordless contemplation is not an absence, but a presence, a God-awareness. The aim is to bring us into a direct meeting with a personal God, on God’s terms. Inner silence, inner stillness, called hesychia, is experienced by wordless sitting, imageless contemplation. When consciousness strays, a phrase like “Lord Jesus” can be used to bring the mind back, and then the person sits quietly in the presence of the Lord. The desire of wordless sitting awareness is to open oneself to God, to listen to God. Some teachers suggest that if we are able, we spend a half hour of wordless sitting, begun by asking God to teach us to pray, or a Bible quote. Usually this is best done in the morning, upon rising or before noon. If the person is able, a block of the some quiet time is also recommended for the evening. Hopefully, all this is worked out with the direction of a spiritual guide. Both the Jesus Prayer and contemplation make us single-centered, concentrating upon the here and now, focused, one-pointed. The point is God.
Changing the Universe Every prayer changes the entire universe. Our every prayer, each prayer, actually changes history, the way God created the world, and all else. God is outside time. God is not “waiting up there” for our prayer, and then He acts. All has already occurred in God.
Intercessory Prayer St Therese, a Roman Catholic saint, had difficulty knowing that God heard her prayers for others. As a youth, she decided to put God “to the test” once and for all. Perhaps only a saint can “test” God. She prayed fervently for the salvation of a callused serial killer of women, Henri Pranzini. Pranzini was caught, found guilty and sentenced to the guillotine. During this time, Therese prayed that he be saved, and that she be given a sign that a conversion took place. Pranzini became more arrogant. Therese persisted. On the execution day, Pranzini walked up the steps, put his head onto the block, still jeering. Then, unexpectedly, he lifted up, grabbed the crucifix hanging from the side of the nearby priest, and Pranzini kissed the feet of Christ three times. Pranzini publicly repented. He then put his head back down onto the block, and the guillotine fell. Therese claimed that her prayers were answered. She claimed that her intercessory prayers saved a hardened criminal. Is this really the way intercessory prayer works? In a word, yes. How? The answer to that rests somewhere in God’s mysterious ways. What we do know, for certain, is that every prayer for someone else is heard, and in God’s goodness, answered, for the other person’s good. Every single prayer for another helps that other person, and helps us. The lives of the saints are replete with examples. St Monica, mother of St Augustine, prayed day and night for her son when he was living a wild life. Augustine had, among other activities, fathered a child out of wedlock. Monica was told by her Bishop that “no child of so many tears (prayers) could be lost.” Monica’s prayers were instrumental in saving Augustine. We are each called to pray, ardently, for our children, family, priest, the Church, country, world. We have a noble and royal vocation, to pray and make an untold difference in the entire cosmos.
How Does It Work? Like swimming, we are to “jump in” and just begin. There is a world of difference between thinking, or talking, about quiet prayer, and actually praying. Like beginning swimmers , we only learn by getting wet. The Fathers tell us that, often, the first thing that happens is an experience of darkness and resistance. Then, when we persist, peace begins to replace the darkness. The temptations may become more severe, even temptations to stop the praying, but we sin less. The Fathers tell us that, as we continue to pray and live the commandments, go to Church and listen to our spiritual Father, we can expect to become freed from indecision, upset and hesitation. Our will becomes stronger. We can expect to be available to others in ways we otherwise would not have been, and we will become more effective and creative. Bishop Kallistos Ware says that by spending only a few moments invoking the Divine Name each day, we actually transform all the other remaining moments of the day. In the beginning, there may be no new insights and no pleasant feelings. Was it a waste of time? Not necessarily. By faith, the Christian believes that spending time wanting to pray, and actually praying, does touch a Merciful God. God hears. And, in turn, Divine Truth is known through direct experience, sometimes called intuition. Something is happening, and changing at a deeper level of consciousness, unnoticed. We can expect invisible, subtle snares, sent from Satan, precisely because we have upscaled our efforts, and are turning to God. In a sense, we rouse the enemy to action. St. John Chrysostom says that when we begin to pray we stir the snake (living within us) to action, and that prayer can lay the snake low. There is no ascetic effort more difficult, more painful, than the effort to draw close to God, Sophrony tells us. When we begin to pray, we expend desire and effort. The results are up to God. Real prayer is a gift from God, not the payment for our perspiration. Prayer works in the Unseen Warfare as a power/gift from Jesus, given as a function of our ability to receive it. We increase our ability to receive by asking for the increase, and God grants it as He sees fit, in His tender, all sweet and merciful manner.
Not Yoga Sitting, saying the Jesus Prayer, or in wordless contemplation, is not Yoga or any far Eastern practice. The difference is the Christian encounter with the living God, Jesus. The postures, techniques and outer form may be similar, but the content is unique in Christian prayer. The content of Christian prayer is Jesus. Sometimes the difference is likened to a priceless painting. We might admire the exquisite frame of the painting, and rightly so. But the frame is not the masterpiece. The similarities of Eastern Yoga and Sufi practice in prayer are the frame, but Christ is the masterpiece, the insides, of the prayer of the Christian. And, that is all the difference in the world.
Techniques & Psychosomatic Issues
The Orthodox understanding of the role of the body in prayer rests upon a sound anthropology. The body, soul and spirit act as a single unit, not divided or split up. Therefore, the body has a role in prayer. How we involve the body can be understood in three ways. Sometimes this is called psychotechniques. 1. Breathing, 2. Inner Exploration, and 3. Posture. Across the centuries, these issues have been explosive.
Breathing. Bishop Kallistos Ware says that if we pray the Jesus Prayer for short periods, ten or fifteen minutes at the beginning, then there is no problem matching the words of the prayer to our breath. We are to breath naturally, without playing with the rhythm of the breath. On the inhale, we can say, “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God.” On the exhale, we can say, “have mercy on me, a sinner.” We are to breath and pray slowly and reverently and attentively.
Inner Exploration. Inner exploration usually means following our breath into the nostrils, down into the lungs, around the insides, and out. This is unquestioningly, forbidden. The dangers involved in all this cannot be exaggerated.
Posture. The usual position, as recommended by Bishop Kallistos Ware, is a comfortable sitting position in a chair. Sometimes standing is recommended. Usually the eyes are kept closed. Posture can take many forms, as long as the postures are reverent.
Modern serious and enlightened authors, such as Bishop Ware, St Igantius Brianchaninov and Sophrony all agree that “the fullness of the Jesus Prayer can by practiced without any physical methods at all.” In summary, it can be said that physical methods are optional and not at all necessary. Physical techniques are more suitable for beginners, says St Gregory Palamas. Physical techniques are potentially dangerous, and not to be used without a guide. St Theophan suggests, “Make a habit of having the intellect stand in the heart, but not in a physical way.”
Prayer Rope Orthodox prayer ropes are usually soft and made of wool. The purpose is to help us concentrate, not necessarily to count. In the famous book, The Way of the Pilgrim, the pilgrim said the prayer 2,000, then 6,000, then 12,000 times. Is 12,000 Jesus Prayers better than 2,000? Absolutely not. Quantity has nothing to do with love, and a living relationship with Jesus. The pilgrim did 12,000, no more and no less, as an act of obedience to his spiritual father, not because he was “making progress.” He also prayed much because that was his “heart’s desire.” Every prayer is an act of love, made to the Author of Love, Who is waiting expectantly for our desire, and our acceptance of His Love.
The Jesus Prayer as Psychotherapy As medicine, the Jesus Prayer is destructive of the passions and altering of conduct. Just as a doctor places a dressing on a patient’s wound, and the dressing works without the patient’s knowing how, calling on the Name of God “removes the passions” without our knowing how and why, according to Barsanupius and John. The Holy Name, when repeated quietly, penetrates the soul rather like a drop of oil, spreading out and impregnating a cloth. Our modern translation of “mercy” is limited and insufficient. “Mercy” comes from the Greek eleison. Eleison has the same root as elaion which means olive and olive oil. In the Middle East, olive oil provides physical healing for many sicknesses, particularly respiratory. “Have mercy” means to have “healing oil” on my soul. The Fathers tell us that praying the Sacred Name changes our personality, from overstrain to joy. “Hitherto you have asked nothing in my Name; ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full” (Jn 16:24). The Jesus Prayer functions as therapy, much like healing oil, transforming our personality from overstrain to joy, and by continuing to pray, these changes become permanent.
Results of Prayer We don’t say the Jesus Prayer, or enter wordless contemplation, to get “some benefit.” We don’t pray to reduce our stress, or strengthen our immune system, or lose weight, or add years to our life. On the contrary, we enter prayer to follow Christ, to become open to Him. His way is the Way of the Cross.
Source: http://fatherdavidbirdosb.blogspot.com/2014/11/saying-jesus-prayer-by-dr-albert-s.html
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Dear christians,
If “your’ white-skinned mangod is all knowing, all powerful, and created everything, why does he need your prayers so badly that you feel you are threatened with, in effect, eternal torture for the Offense to this white skinned mangod of “Not Praying”?
WHY DOES YOUR “god” need your prayers so badly, you are threatened????
Piggy, Piggy, I know the answer to your question!!!!
Because that demonic entity they “pray” to IS NOT god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT NEEDS SOMETHING FOR FOOD!
Your constant admiration, attention, and prayers ARE IT’S “FOOD, literally!
And, the demonic entity REALLY likes the flavor (emotion) OF FEAR!
Second is GUILT, and self-recrimination!!!!!
It is it’s favorite flavor of human emotional energy!
Um, um, GOOD!
Talking to yourself is going to go down a treat, Piggy. I can not fathom how you would think this was a good next step. Laughable, now dance for me.
Oh, Beefy Boy!
You dance so well, for me!!
I MEAN, YOU ARE REALLY SO DULL MINDED, YOU USE THE SAME TERMINOLOGY!!
And you expect no one can recognize you!!!!
Am I upsetting you, BEEF JERKY???
I CERTAINLY DO HOPE SO!!!!!
Yeah-nah, i’m laughing silly. How could i be so upset that i laugh heartily?
America Be Damned;
You really are screwed up, aren’t you? What made you such a bitter and uninformed person?
Mike, the Savage wrote, “You really are screwed up, aren’t you? What made you such a bitter and uninformed person?”
Why, mike you SAVAGE, white-skinned man!
I went to parochial school, mike!!!!!
Just a good judeo-christo-SCUM DUMB education produced me!
And, consider this SAVAGE, I guarantee you, I KNOW ‘YOUR’ BOOK OF BABBLE” BETTER THAN YOU DO!!!!
Mike, I am an honest to god Heretic!
I AM The kind of guy that is going to make a pathetically weak minded man like you, SAVAGE, WISH that you were only dealing with a DEMON!!!!
Symbolism is what keeps many people unable to believe the Bible has information that is important.
Until one understands that the 6 winged seraphim in the Bible are todays 6 winged fighter jets, the truth of scripture will remain obscure and unattainable.
People today think nothing of watching a history movie played onscreen or even one that is futuristic yet balk at the possibility that the people that wrote the Bible were shown images, perhaps a laptop, showing what is going to happen in the future.
Then those ancient people had to write what they saw.
What was that thing flying in the sky… I have no idea, never seen one before… will call it a seraphim.
Mr. X,
I agree completely with your analysis involving the use of words to describe totally unknown technology or events, especially the kind that can do seemly impossible actions, like fly and drop bombs causing indescribably destruction.
So, consider, Mr. X, my favorite ancient peoples are the Sumerians. While their cuneiform script is subject to human (and software) interpretational mistakes because of lack of a similar comparable concept between cultures, the tens of thousands of drawn pictures, inscribed on “roll” printing wheels, and printed on a variety of plant/paper and clay mediums, ARE NOT subject to the same extreme “translation” interpretations. Clearly, one can see, in a literal sense, the messages these people left for us. And remember the forms of agriculture, accounting, numerology (Arabic numbers, base 10), the first examples of cylinder shaped mass printing presses, and mass sanitation, enabling cities to be formed, ALL seemly sprang out of nowhere, and just, suddenly, appeared, with the Sumerian culture AND REMAIN TO THIS DAY, the primary systems used world wide in the described areas. One would agree that without the Sumerians existence, modern society would not exist in it’s present form.
What did they “see’? Double Helixes, the solar system with all planets in the proper place, plus one, Humanoid Beings (described as “gods”) that are 2 to 3 times in size larger than the “Sumerians” pictured with them, gold mining is pictured, clear tubes positioned in the hands of a god, showing lab beakers mixing unknown substances, and so much more.
These beings (the giant humanoid gods, male & female) were declared as ‘their makers”, and, in “their image” Sumerians were made on a “smaller” scale.
Sumerians were genetically made specifically to mine gold for the giant humanoid gods, male & female, that were present with them physically. The giant humanoid gods, male & female, used part of their DNA combined with Neanderthal Humanoids that were native to the planet at that time in history. The result was the Sumerians, the “Origins” of Modern Man, and “his” civilization!
There is NO “missing link” in the evolutionary development of modern man.
There is NO “symbolism or imagination” employed in creation of this art.
The Pictures portray, literally, what the Sumerians saw. They did NOT understand it, BUT, they could picture it, and spread those images far and wide.
They did NOT call them “gods”, they called them by a specific noun Proper name, the Anunnaki, or, closet translation, “”those who from the heavens came to earth”. Get rid of the ever present “judeo-christian” academic censorship and THERE IS NO MYSTERY anymore about the origins of modern man in this epoch of earth history!
America, Be Damned;
YOUR POST BELOW:
Mike, the Savage wrote, “You really are screwed up, aren’t you? What made you such a bitter and uninformed person?”
Why, mike you SAVAGE, white-skinned man!
ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? YOU DON’T APPEAR TO BE. YOU ASSUME QUITE A LOT, WITH NO INFORMATION. AND WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD SKIN COLOR MAKE, SINCE WE ALL ORIGINATE FROM THE SAME TWO ORIGINAL PARENTS.
I went to parochial school, mike!!!!!
THAT EXPLAINS A LOT. YOU ARE HORRIBLY INFLUENCED BY RELIGION, ALL OF WHICH IS FALSE.
Just a good judeo-christo-SCUM DUMB education produced me!
And, consider this SAVAGE, I guarantee you, I KNOW ‘YOUR’ BOOK OF BABBLE” BETTER THAN YOU DO!!!!
I RATHER DOUBT THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WERE RAISED IN A CATHOLIC ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS HALF PAGAN, AND PART CHRISTIAN, AND THE REST IS FABRICATION. CATHOLICISM PRACTICALLY FORBIDS STUDYING SCRIPTURE. I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC, AND LEFT RUNNING FOR MY LIFE. THEY ARE NUTS.
Mike, I am an honest to god Heretic!
THAT IS PROBABLY TRUE.
I AM The kind of guy that is going to make a pathetically weak minded man like you, SAVAGE, WISH that you were only dealing with a DEMON!!!!
AGAIN, YOU ASSUME THINGS WITH NO INFORMATION. I AM ANYTHING BUT WEAK MINDED. DEALING WITH DEMONS IS KID STUFF. DEALING WITH YOU IS CHILD’S PLAY.
Piggy;
True Christians are not part of religion, as God said all religion is false. They are Christendom, the denominations and sects. They all lie with every word. Now, on to the meat of the matter. God does not have skin, so how could he be white skinned? He is impartial, and it appears that you are not. You should be. God is described as “love”, are you? He does not “need” our prayers, we do. There is, however, no eternal torture, as hell does not exist, it’s a fabrication of false religion to keep their members coming and putting money in the collection baskets. There is also no offense of not praying. God doesn’t threaten either. The real meaning of “fear of God” isn’t fear of punishment, it is fear of not pleasing Him, of saddening Him. If we refrain from saddening Him, He rewards us, He doesn’t punish us. If we participate in religion, we are saddening Him. We are in effect turning our backs on Him, in favor of men and Satan who created religion. God and religion are two different things, and one is opposed to the other. Your understanding of the two is tainted by those false religions, as are most of the people of the world.
ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED! WE ARE NOT IN THE END TIMES! THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A RAPTURE! GOD OR JESUS IS NOT GOING TO SAVE ANYONE! THERE IS NO SATAN OR ANTICHRIST! THERE IS NO GOOD OR BAD! EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN! DO AS YOU WILL, WITHOUT ANY FEAR OF ANY JUDGEMENT! THIS IS THE TRUTH! HANDLE IT!
Here is another “life philosophy” for you all to consider, with a different
twist. I am SOOOOOOOOOOO sick of reading the prevailing notion that ONE entity
created all in this physical universe, and that ALL return to the “One”, the
truly communist-type of god! NO individual “personalities” will exist after the
body dies in the minds of the crackpots, demons, BOOK “pushers” (market-teers)
and religious lunatics (Save me, save me, oh, one!) who dominate the
conversation on BIN! They use name calling (get behind me satan) or even use censorship
and simply eliminate anything else other than the usual whine of “Save me”!
“Unite me with the “One”! Whether “Old biblical babble” or “new age crap”, it
is all the same, pathetic whine about the End of Time!
So, consider this:
No god would ever take credit for creating this universe.
It just exists, as we do.
All is not known.
Only your lunatic asylum on planet hell (earth) has ever ‘conjured up’ this god
stuff.
Why does your god demand your prayers?
Why do you think that ‘something’ would ‘take credit, for say, a tidal wave
that kills over 250,000 on 3 continents and numerous islands?
You think there was some ‘divine planning’ in that that any rational, thinking
entity would ‘take credit for”?
Why did your god jesus sit next to a demon, evil incarnate, and listen to a
sales pitch?
Why did your god jesus let that pure evil walk away to continue to torment you?
And, you worship this insane, demonic personality?
Nothing does exist here.
Nothing touches at any level of ‘perception’ HERE (solid, liquid, gas,
molecular level, sub atomic level- particles that orbit one another and never
touch).
That is the way HERE is designed.
You see, all of you have a memory problem.
A big memory problem that causes all of your problems HERE. You have all
forgotten the purpose of HERE and why HERE was created.
You are solid energy that vibrates, or resonates, at a specific frequency,
forever.
That individual frequency is how you are recognized by others like you.
And, who cares if this whole planet does not exist in the future?
The whole ‘universe’, for that matter.
You see, like there are athletes among you that can achieve and perform ‘feats’
that you never will (like, “Big Wave” surfing, or “Extreme Downhill Skiing”),
there ARE others among you that have memories that extend, very accurately,
well beyond this one, very hellish-like, lifetime.
Because, my fellow immortal beings, you have ‘been robbed’ of your ‘eternal
existence’ memories.
You wander, trapped on this hellish planet earth, ‘generation after generation,
recycling, over & over again.
Trapped,
Stripped of memory.
Born again as ‘human’ on PLANET HELL, earth.
I know what this world is really all about!
I am in hell, right now!
I remember what and who I really am!
A sentential being that has existed for trillions of years.
I exist all the time not on this planet, but, in “my home”, that is ‘not of
this world”, untouched by all of this.
Time does not exist where I live all of the time.
Distance does not exist.
I think, and it takes form and substance…………………………………. here
anything I think!
HERE, in this physical universe!
Made for my amusement!
This is an amusement park for us, the immortal beings!
A “body” is no more than a “temporary meat-wrapper” that we “ride” in! like
getting into the “ride car” that brings you around the track at “magic
mountain”. when the ride is over, you get out of the vehicle that transported
you over the track.
We are ALL designed to go “at will” from “body to body”.
We have lost that ability, and now are all ‘trapped on the ride’, and we cannot
get off!
We are here to experience sex, food, smell, violence, both giving it &
receiving it;
all the things that do not exist when you exist as
Pure energy forever,
Energy that is indestructible,
That cannot die,
That can not be destroyed,
That cannot experience pain
OR BE HARMED IN ANY WAY!
But, you can be trapped, ‘imprisoned’, and have your memory “wiped clean’ after
every “lifetime”.
You poor, lost, immortal beings!
YOU do not remember a thing!
So, when you “die” you all “go to the light”!
You cannot help yourselves, images of your dead friends, family, are pulled
right out of your “fresh memories” and projected to “lead you to the light, to
love, to god”?
And that is your mistake!
Cause you get zapped, like a moth hitting the ‘bug zapper’ screen, your memory
is “wiped clean’ and you are born back in a body, trapped with no memory for
another rather hellish lifetime of pain, rape, war, starvation, tidal waves,
violence, child-birth, and death…again! And again……And again. Death experienced
over and over and over again!
“Help me “one”!
I am trapped on the ride, and I cannot get off!
Help me “one”!”
Whether you know it or not, that is where 99.99% of you are ‘at’ right now,
HERE!
Unless, you do not go to the light!
See why I do not care?
About any of you HU-mans?
You cannot die.
The worse that happens is you are born, here in hell on earth, in a
meat-wrapper of some type, again!
‘Memory strip’– completed — again.
Period!
Good luck
trying to escape this “Designed Terror World” for immortal beings who “Just cannot remember” literally who they are!
It’s that earthy ‘religious conditioning’ that “sets you up for the psy-op job” at the moment of death! (Save me, oh, one, save me!)
Your religious leader monsters know all this!
They are your “prison guards”, and are afforded “special privileges”, torturing your ‘brain washed from birth’ kind!
No “One” will come to save you, because YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE SAVED FROM ANYTHING, Straightdopes.
NOW, GO, ALL OF YOU, AND “REMEMBER” your eternal existence memories for yourselves!
Lazy cut-n-paste…
“YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE SAVED FROM ANYTHING, Straightdopes”
… whee baby, spin.
Say it enough times, and, MOST PEOPLE WILL “Believe” it, mayhem!!!!!
The PROOF of this statement is ‘your’ BOOK OF BABBLE (written by all males!!!!)
WHAT NATURAL Balance in the ALL-MALE written BOOK OF BABBLE!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and mayhem, I know you are BEEF JERKY because of your vampire like habit of just HAVING to “Correct” people!
On the littlest of BS crap, like this!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and straightdopes IS YOU, also!!!1
Thanks for reading the Post SO CAREFULLY, mayhem!!!!!
You will quit willingly Christianity before you know it!!!!
You’re not up with the play, America, i quit christianity some time ago. Generally a bunch of misguided maroons as far as i can make out.
Nope, not one of those either, especially not an expert in anything. You must be thinking of another friend.
Thanks for the information, America, it is very useful to know that it takes around 10 minutes to vote down each comment with your sock puppets. Information is power.
By the way the click counter says there’s just you and me in this chat room. Which denies you any chance of claiming the votes are coincidental. Caught by the short and curlies, i couldn’t make this stuff up if i tried.
Dance for me; do it now!
@America, Be Damned who said…
“Say it enough times, and, MOST PEOPLE WILL “Believe” it”
… you didn’t come up with this idea you Alinsky-ite you. You’ve read Mein Kampf haven’t you?
Sure have, mayhem, Lover of BEEF JERKY!
What an excellent book.
Written by a man brought up roman catholic, Mr. Hitler!
A very good “christian” lad, mayhem!!!
One of your creed’s ALL-TIME Killing Favorites!
Right up there with the “pacifist’ Quaker christian WAR CRIMINAL named Nixon, produced by the united Fascist states of MILITARY TERROR!!!!!!
I would say he read the BOOK many, many times, mayhem!!!
HAVE YOU READ Mein Kampf, mayhem???????
And, I watch ‘your’ favorite USA news source every day, called FOX News Network, execute THE SAME kind of mis-information and phraseology strategy over & over & over again, dum-KOFF, mayhem, the “I believe you” FOOL!!!!!!
Understand our greatest philosophical difference, mayhem.
You believe that religious upbringing had NOTHING to do with Mr. Hitler’s later ultra-violent behavior, that he, because of this “Free will” BS “christian concept, just deviated from the righteous path as laid out by the church, and became the monster he was!
I KNOW that the coded Book of Babble, all male written, inserts in the victim without the individual knowing, coded mass conditioning for ultra-violence that is activated through the victim hearing “Trigger” words. When the Trigger word is pronounced enough times, the mass killing, called war, begins!
Thanks, catholic church, for “creating through YOUR childhood “education, the umber-violent MONSTER called Hitler!!!!!!!
Oh, and mayhem, know just how psychologically damaged you ‘believers” are when it comes to dealing with folks like me, NON-believers!!!!.
Mayhem, you wrote, “you didn’t come up with this idea you Alinsky-ite you.”
I NEVER SAID nor insinuated that I had created the “idea”, you name calling SCUM BAG member of the greatest KILLING MACHINE ever created ON EARTH, judeo-christo SCUM DUMB!!!!!!!
How do you LIKE THE TRUTH about your vile creed, mayhem???
I swear I heard this song playing in the background to that truffle shuffle..
“Buffalo gal won’t you come out tonight? Come out tonight.. Come out tonight… and dance by the light of the moon”
@America, Be Damned… I might get to you later tonight but right now there is more worthy debate on offer.
@ZeroSum…
bump
Watcher;
You are correct in saying all religion is false, and all religion WILL be destroyed, but not by us. The U.N. will destroy all religion claiming to be Christian though. Jesus will take care of the rest. All religion is false.We ARE in the end times, and there is NO rapture. No one, except the 144,000 go to heaven, and hell doesn’t exist. You are absolutely completely uninformed and should study the scriptures with someone who understands them. There are few who do understand them. 99.99% of the world haven’t a clue at all.
You sound like a true liberal, there are consequences to our actions, karma is real, and what most people don’t understand is that planet earth is a school for our souls, life is nothing but a battle between good and evil. Don’t believe me? We are forced to make decisions every day on whether to do good or bad and learn from our mistakes.
The scriptures are pretty clear, we DO NOT HAVE AN IMMORTAL SOUL. Soul means life, life means soul. They are synonyms.
jesus is satan /alternative/2014/11/jesus-is-satan-heres-proof-3055686.html
Great suggestion, worldordernews, i personally recommend everyone hits your link. It’s a bit of a read so i’ll excuse the goldfish but it will be worth it.
Your claim gets thoroughly shot to ribbons, after all, and that’s what i want the folk to see. Well done.
Looks like we have a demon in our midst.
Can someone tell me what monks get up to with mermaids??????!!!!!!
Or perhaps I shouldn’t have asked. 
I suppose they’re more natural than altar boys.
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FYI if your’re Born of God and gifted with the Holy Spirit then the Holy Spirit prays for you non-stop. The Father only wants to hear from you when you have something interesting to say and hates vain repitition.
Repetition is not Vain if its in HIS most Holy Name. You need to dig into this deeper brother!
If it’s repetitive – it’s vain and boring – period.
Welcoming truth
If you do welcome truth why not really read what Jesus Christ said. He said do not use vain repetition as do the gentiles/heathens for they think they shall be heard for their many words.
Simply ask your self would you want to sit and listen to some moron repeating the same foolish mantra over and over for 50 times or more, I would either jump out the window or pitch the moron out.
Remember Rome is the seat of the gentiles, from gentiles came the repetitive mindless mantras still in use today.
Jungle Bro.
The Lord’s prayer is also VERY POWERFUL.SAYING IT EVERY MORNING AS YOU WAKE UP,and at nite before you sleep.Nothing is ours,we come with nothing and we leave with nothing,acknowledgement of his love and mercy.
Very True Jungle Bro and all should consider what was done in Jesus most Holy name…demons were cast out, the sick were healed etc etc..
God did not give us his name until Jesus came to us. The prayer in this story has special qualities that no other prayer has because it invokes his name.
Jungle Bro.
if you in america do not believe in PRAYING.Keep your mouth shut and do not blaspheme.
When there is a boot on your neck then you will remember to pray.It will happen.
Praying to ANYONE other than God Almighty is a huge sin.