After France and Belgium, Great Britain, where you lived for a long time, is targetted by terrorists. In your opinion, is jihadism a radicalization of Islam or a nihilist revolt that has crystallized in Islam?
I am in fundamental disagreement with these left-wing people who do everything to dissociate fundamentalism from Islam. For fifty years, Islam has been radicalized. On the Shiite side, there was Imam Khomeini and his Islamic revolution. In the Sunni world, there was Saudi Arabia, which used its immense resources to finance the spread of this fanaticism of Wahhabism. But this historical evolution took place within Islam and not outside. When the people of ISIS are blown up, they do it by saying “Allahu Akbar”, so how can we then say that this has nothing to do with Islam? It must be stopped.
For the novelist Salman Rushdie, one must be “stupid” not to see it: the origins of jihadism, this increasingly violent holy war to propagate and defend Islam, including waves of attacks in the streets London, Brussels or Paris, are indeed signs of radicalization of this religious current. And the blindness of the Western Left, to avoid the stigmatization of Muslims, has always been counterproductive, even contributing to the darkening of the world, writes the author of Two Years, Eight and Twenty-eight Nights.
“For 50 years, Islam has been radicalized,” summarizes Salman Rushdie in a recent interview given to French magazine L’Obs on the sidelines of the international gathering of novelists at Villa Gillet in Lyon, France, in which he took part last week. “When the people of ISIS blow up, they do it by saying “Allahu Akbar”, so how can we say that this has nothing to do with Islam? We must stop this stupid blindness. “
The man who, since 1989, lives under the influence of a fatwa enacted against him by Ayatollah Khomeini in the wake of his Satanic Verses , a book deemed blasphemous, says he understands the reasons for that denial which aims to avoid falling into the “amalgamation of a minority of radicalized Islamists into the majority that is not.” “But precisely, to avoid this stigma, it is much more effective to recognize the nature of the problem and treat it,” he adds.
Precarious balances
In an era where “everything can happen” and where “something strange is happening in the world,” he said, the call to lucidity would have to be taken very seriously. “When a deviance grows within a system, it can devour it,” the novelist summarizes, recalling that “most Muslims are not extremists,” as “most Russians were not champions of the Gulag” and that “most Germans were not Nazis”. But he adds that this did not “prevent the Soviet Union and Hitler’s Germany from existing”.
According to him, jihad is not what several theorists of the present call ”nihilist revolt” that would ride Islam like a utility vehicle. And what is worrying is to hear “Marine Le Pen [the radical candidate involved in the last electoral race in France] analyzing Islamism with more accuracy than the left”, it is also “to see that the extreme right is able to take the measure of the threat more clearly than the left,” and that is why it makes sense today to warn the world, because “this will pose a problem in the future, unless we change our way of thinking.“
Salman Rushdie, who lives today in the United States, where he says he feels “close to the awakening of the American left” who has just entered resistance, is also afflicted by the “calamitous” presidency of Donald Trump, , “Even if he commits a serious offense a day” he continues to be worshiped by his electorate. “In the United States, the moral barriers that prevented the worst behaviors have been skipped,” he said. The courts and the media are also under threat . […] The more the president scandalizes the world, the more those who voted for him appreciate it. He was elected to destroy the world order, and that’s what he is doing,” he said, now calling on the rest of the world to stop him from doing so.