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Oklahoma Has TWO Con-Con Bills Set For Committee Vote! Article V On The Ropes, Call Today, Contacts Are Here

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Our County needs your help in stopping the Con-Con.  Once 34 states have passed an Article V Amendment Convention Resolution, then the U.S, Congress will be forced to call a Federal Constitutional Convention.  There is no limit what will take place at the constitutional convention. The convention more or likely will  turn into a runaway convention. Also there is  NO  procedure on how the delegates will be chosen. We must fight the evil forces behind the scene that want to scrap our U.S. Constitution and turn us all into slaves.

Oklahoma has TWO Con-Con Bills 

Set for Committee Vote! 

 

IT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW!

 

  Oklahoma is just one of twelve states, today, that have either introduced 

or are ready to introduce 

the Article V Amendment Convention resolution.

They need only fourteen (14) to force the U.S. Congress to call for a Convention!

  

In today’s economic climate states are broke; legislators are frantic, panicking and grasping at straws. They’ve been lulled and seduced into believing every deceitful lie they’ve been told, and are now rushing to get resolutions passed so they can “fix” the problem.  

  

Legislators know and admit that most officials in all branches of government pay no attention to the Constitution.  In fact, today we could say the U.S. Government and Congress have trampled the Constitution, ignoring the Bill of Rights at every turn.

 

How, then, can any state legislator convince him/her self that a balanced budget amendment would be treated any differently? 

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 The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC – for conservatives) has been trying to get this done since 1974.  They hired Lawyer, John Armor to Lobby the states and by 1983 he had persuaded thirty-two (32) of the thirty-four (34) states needed to pass the resolution.  Their helping hand was the National Conference of State Legislators (NCSL – for liberals). Today, they’re both involved again, and once again our Constitution hangs by a few threads.

  

They tell legislators, over and over again, that an Article V Amendment Convention will not, can not become a runaway Convention.

   

However, Nick Dranius, constitutional “expert” and lobbiest with the Goldwater Institute

 (which we understand has pledged $28million to get the required number of states) knows the truth. Speaking to an Arizona committee hearing last year, Dranius stated, while discussing the opponents’ fears of a runaway Article V Convention, the truth just slipped out. Dranius stated, passionately:

 

“the fact that it may be abused. . . isn’t an argument against using it !!”  

 

Thank Heaven the legislators on that committee were informed and intelligent enough 

to vote it down. 

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There is no safeguard from a runaway convention, regardless of what you’ve been told.

  Article V of the Constitution does not provide any language to limit an “Amendment Convention” or its power.  There are no rules, or restrictions or instructions in Article V.   Rob Natelson,

 who wrote the ALEC Handbook, knows that.  He admitted on page 2 of his book, ”Amending the Constitution by Convention,” that: 

  

      ”of course, abuses of the Article V amendment processes are possible!”

 

Oklahoma legislators have passed some wonderful and powerful bills in the past year. Let us pray they’re awake to this present scam. Otherwise, it could be a death knell for the Constitution, Bill of Rights, for them 

and all of us, the people. 

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 FACT: There is no provision in Article V empowering state legislators to choose the delegates to a Constitutional Convention or  to “limit” the scope of a Con-Con. There are no rules, no regulations nor instructions, and once a Convention is underway, the delegates answer to NOBODY!

  

According to Corpus Juris Secundum 16 C.J.S 9  

(a compilation of State Supreme Court findings)  

The members of a Constitutional Convention are the direct representatives of the people (1) and, as such, they may exercise all sovereign powers that are vested in the people of the state. (2) They derive their powers, not from the legislature, but from the people: (3) and, hence, their power may not in any respect be limited or restrained by the legislature. Under this view, it is a Legislative Body of the Highest Order (4)

and may not only frame, but may also enact and promulgate, Constitution. (5)

  

“Enact and promulgate, Constitution”.  It happened in 1787 when delegates met to “amend the Articles of Confederation”.  It can and most probably will happen today unless every one of you reading this 

makes the calls.

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Govenor Mike Levitt (Utah) said it outright in his 1994 White Paper, re: the planned Conference of States, to be held in “historic Philadelphia” in ’95:

“CONGRESS TRIED TO LIMIT THE CONVENTION’S AUTHORITY by stating it would meet ‘for the sole and express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation’.”

“As we all know, the delegates to the great Constitutional Convention in 1787 in Philadelphia did much more than that. 

They threw out the Articles of Confederation and drafted a new constitution.

Governor Levitt also claimed that our government is:

“… outdated and old fashioned… not suited for the fast-paced, high-tech, global-marketplace we are entering. There is a better way”.

In 1993, twelve states, one after the other, introduced Con-Con resolutions as soon as their sessions opened. When legislators realized the dangers, one after the other they killed the resolution. That move was pushed by ALEC, with help from the NCSL.

  

In 1995 twelve states had the resolutions passed by the middle of January!  They suspended rules, brought it to the floor for a voice vote and it was DONE!  The lie that time was that it would “put the teeth into the 10th Amendment”.  Once again, given the truth, the legislators refused to pass the resolution.  That move was pushed by NCSL, with ALEC passing a resolution in favor of.   

  

For the past 225 years the Constitution has been amended without a convention, because the risks of a repeat of 1787 has been, and still is, 

a well-known FACT. 

  

Information on the Bill and Resolution 

in Oklahoma:

 

HB1530:  An Act relating to statutes and reports; providing for delegates to a federal constitutional convention; defining terms; prohibiting delegates from performing certain acts; providing for recall for a violation; requiring delegates to take an oath; specifying oath; requiring the Legislature to perform certain duties; providing criminal penalty for violation of oath; providing for codification; providing an effective date; and declaring an emergency.

 

HJR1016:  A Joint Resolution calling for a convention to propose amendment(s) pursuant to the provisions of Article V of the United States Constitution; making findings; and directing distribution. 

Both HB1530 and HJR1016 were assigned to the States Rights Committee on February 5, 2013.  

If these are brought up in committee, they could could call for an immediate vote!  They’re referring to it as “AN EMERGENCY”! 

  Sponsor of this bill is

 Representative Gary Banz

(405) 557-7395 

Denise Manek, his Legislative Assistant’s, phone number is (405) 557-7395. 

His email is [email protected] .  

Please call him and ask that both these bills be tabled.  Share above information with them – WHY he should table these bills!  

Please call as many on the States Rights Committee as you can tomorrow. You can find their contact information below.  Call the Chairman first.  

#1 Priority: 

Chairman, Rep. Lewis Moore: (405) 557-7400  

(most important to contact)

Message for Chairman Moore:  Please stop forward action on HB1530 and HJR1016. It is dangerous and puts us in risk of losing our Constitution. Article V of the Constitution does not provide any way to limit an “amendments convention.”

Message for the others on the States Rights Committee:  If HB1530 or HJR1016, the call for a Constitutional Convention, comes to a vote, please vote NO.  Do not put our Constitution at risk by asking Congress to “call a Convention for the purpose of proposing amendments.”  Article V of the Constitution does not provide any way to limit an “amendments convention.”

#2 Priority:

Vice Chair, Rep. Sean Roberts (R) (405) 557-7322 

  #3 Priority:  

States Rights Committee Members:  

(Representatives)  

Rep. Ed Cannaday (D)  (405) 557-7375 

Rep. Dale DeWitt (R)  (405) 557-7332 

Rep. Dan Fisher (R)  (405) 557-7311 

Rep. Kay Floyd (D)  (405) 557-7396 

Rep. Elise Hall (R)  (405) 557-7403 

Rep. Tommy Hardin (R)  (405) 557-7383 

Rep. Kevin Matthews (D)  (405) 557-7406 

Rep. Jason Murphey (R)   (405) 557-7350 

Rep. Dustin Roberts (R)  (405) 557-7366 

Rep. Mike Shelton (D)  (405) 557-7367

Rep. Ken Walker (R)  (405) 557-7359

Question:   How can you expect the government to pay any attention to an amendment when they’re trampling the whole Constitution right now?  Please don’t risk our Constitution.   

Vote “NO” on HB1530 and HJR1016. 

May our Heavenly Father Bless America, and may He Bless and Guide our Work. 

  Please FORWARD THIS ACTION ALERT TO YOUR ENTIRE LIST:  TO FRIENDS, FAMILY, & OTHER GROUPS.  ASK THEM TO MAKE THE CALLS. 

  Securing the Blessings of Liberty,

securetherepublic.com

[email protected]

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    • ncdranias

      The arguments made in this post are ridiculous. It is important to first emphasize that whatever special legal significance attaches to it under the U.S. Constitution, an Article V convention is, in the most concrete terms, simply a gathering of people. Thus, in asking whether the states can constitutionally limit the Article V convention process, one is essentially asking whether states have the power to regulate the organization of a particular, albeit very special, gathering of people through an interstate compact. Viewed in this light, it is important to recall that the states do not have the burden of affirmatively proving their general governing authority by reference to specific provisions in the U.S. Constitution. The default assumption of the Constitution, as evidenced by the Tenth Amendment, is that all powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states or the People. The states retain general and indefinite powers of governance subject only to such limitations as required by the Constitution’s language and structure.[i]

      Accordingly, absent a clash with one or more affirmative provisions of the U.S. Constitution, if a gathering of individuals that happens to be an “Article V convention” is organized from or is located within the boundaries of the states, it follows that each such state will respectively have governing authority over so much of that gathering and its organization as fall within its jurisdiction. In other words, based on the Constitution’s design, the states should be assumed to have the power to direct and regulate the Article V convention process under their reserved general powers of governance with or without an interstate compact—unless there is a cogent reason to believe that such power was exclusively delegated to some other body or is otherwise limited by the Constitution’s language or structure.

      In view of this basic assumption about the relationship between states and the Constitution, the burden of proving that states lack constitutional authority to direct and regulate an Article V convention through an interstate compact should more properly be placed on the person advancing that proposition. To demand, instead, that the states shoulder that burden of proof inverts the Constitution’s power structure. Nevertheless, by process of elimination we can say with certainty that there is no question the states have the power to direct and regulate the Article V convention process through the CFA. This is because there are only three possible repositories of sovereign power in our federal republic that could direct and regulate the Article V convention process: the People, Congress, as agent of the People as a Whole, and the States, as agents of the People within their respective boundaries. As discussed below, we can exclude the possibilities that the People or Congress were meant to direct and regulate the Article V convention process, which necessarily leaves such power in the hands of the states as a reserved power under the Tenth Amendment, the exercise of which can be coordinated collectively through an interstate compact.

      An Article V Convention is Not a Revolutionary Convention of the People

      The text of Article V articulates no role for the People in advancing constitutional amendments whatsoever. In view of this fact, the U.S. Supreme Court specifically observed in Dodge v. Woolsey, 59 U.S. 331, 348 (1855), that the people of the United States, aggregately and in their separate sovereignties “have excluded themselves from any direct or immediate agency in making amendments.” For this reason, an Article V convention is not analogous to a state constitutional convention, which directly exercises the People’s sovereignty as a convention of the People.

      But even if one were to analogize an Article V convention to a state constitutional convention, it is important to emphasize that, with respect to such conventions, state courts have long distinguished between conventions that are “revolutionary” in nature and those that are not. If a state constitution expressly authorizes the abolition or replacement of the existing state government, then the constitutional convention process it outlines has been deemed “revolutionary” and intended to directly represent the People as an independent sovereign body, which cannot be constrained by a limited agenda set by the state Legislature.[ii] In contrast, if the state constitution does not expressly authorize the abolition or replacement of the existing state government or if the state constitution imposes Legislative call or ratification requirements, then the state constitutional convention process is not “revolutionary” and a limited agenda can be imposed on the convention by bodies that only indirectly represent the People, such as the Legislature.[iii]

      In view of this distinction between revolutionary and non-revolutionary state constitutional conventions, it is clear that an Article V convention cannot possibly be regarded as a “revolutionary” convention of the People, even if it were somehow considered analogous to a state “constitutional convention.” This is because: 1) there is no textual authority given to an Article V convention to “abolish” or “replace” the U.S. Constitution, as is found in many state constitutions; and 2) the proposals of an Article V convention are subject to specific application, call and ratification requirements, all of which imply that the convention operates with the strictures of the Constitution as an extension of existing governmental bodies.

      Indeed, there is abundant direct evidence that the Article V convention process was intended to operate within the strictures of the Constitution in proposing amendments, rather than directly invoke the People’s revolutionary sovereignty in establishing a new form of government. This evidence includes: 1) the Report of Proceedings from the Philadelphia Convention on September 15, 1787, in which authority to hold a general convention, which could make any constitutional proposal without any ratification requirement whatsoever, like a revolutionary convention, was considered and repeatedly rejected; and 2) the textual fact that an Article V convention’s amendment power is defined and limited by the same constitutional provisions as Congress’ amendment process, which indicates that both processes wield the same non-revolutionary amendment power.

      In short, even if one were to attempt to analogize the Article V convention process to a state-level constitutional convention, no precedent deems a convention that shares the characteristics of an Article V convention to be an independently sovereign popular body that is revolutionary in nature and capable of forming a new government. Notably, both Congress’ amendment power and the Article V convention’s amendment power refer to proposing “amendments.” In view of the fact that Congress has proposed singular amendments, it is clear that the plural use of “amendments” was not meant or understood to signify that only more than one amendment can be proposed. Rather, the plural form was used to include the singular, which is a style utilized throughout the Constitution.

      The understanding that an Article V convention may propose a single amendment and is not comparable to revolutionary state constitutional convention is confirmed by Federalist No. 85, which was published in book form in May 28, 1788 and again as a newspaper column on August 16, 1788. There, Alexander Hamilton observed:

      But every Amendment to the Constitution, if once established, would be a single proposition, and might be brought forward singly. There would then be no necessity for management or compromise, in relation to any other point; no giving, nor taking. The will of the requisite number would at once bring the matter to a decisive issue. And consequently, whenever nine, or rather ten States, were united in the desire of a particular amendment, that amendment must infallibly take place. There can, therefore, be no comparison between the facility of effecting an amendment, and that of establishing in the first instance a complete Constitution.[iv]

      For this reason, there is no merit to the theory that an Article V convention is a convention of the People that cannot be directed or regulated by the states.

      An Article V Convention is Not a Convention of Congress

      There is also no merit to any contention that the Article V convention process was meant to be directed and regulated by the federal government as a Convention of Congress. Investing Congress with a substantive role in directing or regulating the Article V convention process would render it redundant of Congress’ existing amendment power, which is contrary to standard rules of constitutional interpretation. Moreover, it would also contradict contemporaneous understandings of Article V at the time the Constitution was ratified. As discussed below, the central arguments of Federalist Nos. 43 and 85 (which were repeated by George Washington in his personal correspondence and by others at the Virginia ratification convention) underscore that the Article V convention process was meant to furnish the states with an independent and parallel means of amending the Constitution alongside Congress’ amendment power.

      An Article V Convention is a Convention of the States

      At the time the U.S. Constitution was proposed for ratification, the Founders repeatedly represented to the public that any future Article V convention would be constituted by the states as a gathering point for their respective delegates to advance a specific state-selected constitutional amendment agenda. In particular, on January 23, 1788, Federalist No. 43 was published with James Madison’s attributed observation that Article V “equally enables the general and the State governments to originate the amendment of errors, as they may be pointed out by the experience on one side, or on the other.” Similarly, George Washington wrote on April 25, 1788, “[i]t should be remembered that a constitutional door is open for such amendments as shall be thought necessary by nine States.” On June 6, 1788, George Nicholas reiterated the same points at the Virginia ratification convention, observing that state legislatures may apply for an Article V convention confined to a “few points;” and that “[i]t is natural to conclude that those States who will apply for calling the Convention, will concur in the ratification of the proposed amendments.” Finally, this public understanding of Article V was confirmed by the last of the Federalist Papers, Federalist No. 85, in which Alexander Hamilton concluded: “We may safely rely on the disposition of the State legislatures to erect barriers against the encroachments of the national authority” by using their amendment power under Article V.

      These representations about how the states would organize and target the Article V convention process did not occur in a vacuum. They reflected the custom and practice of the dozen or more interstate and intercolonial conventions that were organized prior to the ratification of the U.S. Constitution.[vi] Simply put, it was usual and customary for states to set the agenda for any such convention and to instruct their delegates specifically on what to advance and address at the convention.[vii] Delegates were regarded as “servants” of the states that sent them.[viii] Naturally, the Founders repeatedly represented to the public that an Article V convention would operate in the same way. In fact, for decades after the Constitution’s ratification, it was an uncontroversial proposition that the states could organize the Article V convention process to consider desired amendment proposals.[ix] For example, James Madison’s Report on the Virginia Resolutions observed in January 1800 that the states could organize an Article V convention for the specific “object” of repealing the Alien and Sedition Acts. Correspondingly, the U.S. Supreme Court in Smith v. Union Bank, 30 U.S. 518, 528 (1831), specifically referenced the Article V process as authorizing a “convention of the states” that could be directed to propose amendments to overturn authority for specific laws.

      As the Article V convention process was meant to be a “convention of the states”—not of the People or of Congress—it follows that states are not somehow preempted or otherwise disabled in exercising their reserved sovereign power under the Tenth Amendment to determine who will represent them at the convention, how they will represent them, how they will run the convention, what they will propose, and how the states will respond to those proposals.

      It is time for states to use their most effective means to restrain the federal government–their power to originate constitutional amendments by a convention of the states.

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      [i] Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 457 (1991) (citing Federalist No. 45).

      [ii] See, e.g., Snow v. City of Memphis, 527 S.W.2d 55 (Tenn. 1975).

      [iii] See, e.g., State ex rel. Kvaalen v. Graybill, 159 Mont. 190, 496 P.2d 1127 (Mont. 1972) (“There is some authoritative support for the doctrine of inherent, plenary, and sovereign power of a constitutional convention; however it is derived from early cases during the American Revolution and in the reconstruction era following the Civil War where there was no effective or established government to supervise the work of the convention. In our view, this doctrine is not applicable to present conditions where, as here, the constitutional convention is called pursuant to the provisions of an existing constitution, and by enabling legislation enacted thereunder. Even in situations where the existing constitution provided no means for calling a constitutional convention, the Pennsylvania court refused to apply this doctrine of inherent plenary power.”) (citing Woods’s Appeal, 75 Pa. 59 (1874); Wells v. Bain, 75 Pa. 39 (1874)); accord Gaines v. O’Connell, 305 Ky. 397, 204 S.W.2d 425 (Ky. 1947) (citing Staples v. Gilmer, 183 Va. 613, 33 S.E.2d 49 (1945)).

      [iv] Likewise, in his famous April 1830 letter on nullification, James Madison observed: “final resort within the purview of the Constitution, lies in an amendment of the Constitution, according to a process applicable by the states.”

      [vi] Robert Natelson, Amending the Constitution by Convention: Practical Guidance for Citizens and Policymakers, Goldwater Institute Policy Brief No. 11-02 4 n.15 (Feb. 22, 2011)

      [vii] Roger Sherman Hoar, Constitutional Conventions: The Nature, Powers, and Limitations 127-29 (1917).

      [viii] 3 Op. Off. Legal Counsel 390 (1979).

      [ix] See inter alia Robert Natelson, Amending the Constitution by Convention: A Complete View of the Founders’ Plan, Goldwater Institute Policy Report No. 241 (Sept. 16, 2010); Robert Natelson, Learning from Experience: How the States Used Article V Applications in America’s First Century, Goldwater Institute Policy Brief No. 10-06 (Nov. 4, 2010).

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