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How Do the “Two Witnesses” of Revelation 11, Fit the End of Days Timeline? – The Three Woes May Be the Key!

Tuesday, December 5, 2017 15:53
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Hi Guys – I had Hoped that more of us could Share with each other what we have been Given, as far as Understanding goes & come together as the Body of Christ. Much more could have been Discerned, but sadly that hasn’t been the case. There are Far too many divisions in the Body. Most are ignoring &/or denying the Signs in the Heavens, ie. the Nibiru Mini Solar System. Had our Prophecy teachers given heed to this, perhaps more could have been Figured out, relative to how these End of Days are unfolding. 
 
I was reading in Revelation 11 this morning about the Two Witnesses. This Scenario has always perplexed me, because it describes a Temple & Outer Court.
 
Revelation 11:1; And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the Temple of God, and the Altar, and them that worship therein.
 
Not only that, they are to Witness for 1260 Days. That doesn’t fit either.
 
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my Two Witnesses, and they shall Prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
 
There is No Way there is Time to Build a New Temple & see the Two Witnesses Prophecy for 1260 Days, before Nibiru’s Close Flyby and the 6th Seal happens, if my Understanding is correct.
 

I’ve been pondering this for some time & I think that God may have finally given me further Insight into this matter.What if, that just as Revelation 12 is an Interlude, which to me describes from Jesus Birth, through perhaps the present time we are now in; that Chapter 11 is also an Interlude? Therein describing the Scenario of how it will be, after Satan is loosed from the Bottomless Pit/Abyss, after Christ’s Millennial Reign?

Because clearly, even after Christ’s 1000 Year Reign on this planet, when Satan is loosed, there will be many people who will still, choose to follow Satan/reject Christ. Christ will Reign from Jerusalem during The Millenium, where (imho) there, will be The Third Temple! To Celebrate His Sacrifice & His Blood on the Mercy Seat.

Most likely it will be the Ark of The Covenant  from Moses time, that was found in a cave below Golgotha. The site of Jesus Crucifixion. Jesus Blood  was found on the Mercy Seat atop the Ark; which houses from Exodus time, the Manna, Aaron’s Rod that Budded & the Ten Commandments. Please see my Blog Post about the finding of Jesus Blood & the 24 Chromosones / Not 46! 

 
Most people misinterpret Chapter 12. I researched this back when an argument had presented itself during Comet ELENIN’s Passing, back in 2011. That the Virgo Scenario was happening then. Not true!
New people to the Nibiru thing as of late, are again trying say that this Virgo Scenario, somehow relates to Nibiru & our present time. It doesn’t.

Revelation 12:1; And there appeared a Great Wonder in heaven; a woman (Virgo) clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:”

 

This happens every late September, when Virgo is in this declination. This is describing the Scenario when Jesus was Born. Jesus was Born in the early Fall. Christmas began to be celebrated December 25, to correspond to the Roman’s, pagan mystery religion Saturnalia Festival.

 

Origin of Christmas | The history of Christmas and how it began 

“C.    In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it.  Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2] 

D.    The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.

E.     Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia.”

 

         >>> Here Come the References to the Three Woes <<<</strong>

Revelation 11:7; And when they shall have finished their testimony, the Beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 

Revelation 11:14; The Second Woe is past; and, behold, the Third Woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:15; And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and He shall Reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 11:17; Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast Reigned. (After Christ Jesus Millenial/1000 Year Reign?)

<^> The First Woe happened after the Abyss was Opened & men were tormented for 5 months and could not die as recorded in Revelation 9 <^>

Revelation 9:11; And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Revelation 9:12; One Woe is past; and, behold, there come Two Woes more hereafter.

So, as you can see, the first Two Woes are both associated with the Opening of the Bottomless Pit and Hellish things are allowed to be done unto mankind. Woe is “Utter Hopelessness”. To be without God’s Presence or Mercy.
 
    >>> As we see above; the Third Woe will come quickly, following the Second Woe in Revelation 11:14. <<<</strong>
 
Continuing this Hypothesis, that Chapter 11 is describing the Time after the Millennial Reign of Christ on earth, let’s jump to Revelation 20:7-15. This is when Satan is Loosed & the Final Battle takes place & then the Great White Throne Judgement.
 
This I submit, is where John is illustrating the Third Woe, which isn’t specifically identified in Scripture. Just imagine how it would be....“Woe is me, whose name is not Written in The Lamb’s Book of Life!”
 
                                     Satan Freed, Doomed – Revelation 20:7-10

7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
                                 Judgment at the Throne of God – Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a Great White Throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose Presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the Throne, and books were opened; and Another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were Judged from the things which were written in the books (Their Lives Recorded), according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were Judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. This is the Second Death, the Lake of Fire.
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the Lake of Fire.
 
Then after Satan, the source of all evil & corruption is finally Removed & Banished forevermore, God will bring into being a New Creation!        
 
                                     The New Heaven and Earth – Revelation 21:1-8

 

1 Then I saw a New Heaven and a New earth; for the first Heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

2 And I saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, made ready as a Bride adorned for her Husband.

3 And I heard a loud voice from the Throne, saying, “Behold, the Tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

 

4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” 

5 And He who sits on the Throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these Words are Faithful and True.”

6 Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the Spring of the Water of Life without cost.” 

7 “He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.”

8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the Lake that burns with Fire and Brimstone, which is the Second Death.”

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  • King of Shambhala

    Trump and Obama’s third cousin must be the two witnesses.
    Trump’s realizing the prophecy bymosing the US embassyto Jerusalem.
    Obama’s cousin is realizing it by revealing Obama’s true name : Barry Parks and birthplace: Topeka, Kansas.

  • allendaves

    123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies

    #1 “ANOTHER JESUS”:
    -“ONE” not triune: Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is….. IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON LOVE & SIN IS MOOT….. (NOTE: And yes, the specific Greek and Hebrew words used also and only define one person contrary to the ridiculous obfuscation attempts of some!?!)
    PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE FOR THE ONE GOD TO TALK TO?? Who was Jesus praying to??!?…. The real question should be … How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! (The trinitarian “schizophrenic” “god-head”) The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our/ flesh) benefit not his!?!….. So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (text book examples of prov 26:12)

    -PART 5 Echad, Echad, my God, God is Echad!….:The Greek word pros in Jn 1:1 does not demand nor demonstrate multiple different persons because:

    1. The definitions (without forced conclusions stuffed in) are just as equally valid as reference to parts of the same person (modalisim) Your head and your right arm have close relationship to each other; can be facing, towards, relating to, moving to, in the direction of, to, unto, looking to; even at home with, a living union, in the presence of, a common ground, closeness They are still both distinct and different from each other and yet they are of both the same person. Ironically the scriptures use the very same terms to describe father and son.

    2. Ironically and most hypocritically, the trinitarians are trying to appeal to the anthropomorphisms (they claim this passage implies) to demonstrate different persons while at the same time denying the very anthropomorphisms that God himself specifically in scriptures uses to define the son and the son’s relationship to the father. Apparently only the literal anthropomorphisms that trintiarins “see’ exist while the one’s that God himself uses should not be taken too literal or too anthropomorphic or seriously. Is the face anthropomorphic and or literal face or just some metaphor? Either way the problem for trinitarians still exist and simply does not cease with linguistic distractions. There are many different types of faces; face of a clock; face of a mirror; face of one’s palm. Further, the face of one’s palm would be totally consistent with the anthropomorphism that God uses when discussing his own right arm as the son! So either way, a literal and or anthropomorphic face or a metaphorical face in close relationship only leaves the trinitarinas peddling an empty argument hoping no one notices the fact that this argument is nothing more then delusional smoke and mirrors for “the faithful” and for everyone else, well, just “never mind that man behind the curtain”.

    3. You cant appeal to your own desired and or preconceived conclusions as evidence that your methodology in arriving at your conclusions are valid. [ie the use of Jn 1:18 et al as proof that Jn1:1 supports different persons in Jn1:18 et al or visa versa ] How difficult can they make these simple things? The God in heaven is a he but cannot be known except by the he who is the same God in flesh! So why can’t they be the same he again? It should not be difficult to understand since:

    A. The same God who is in heaven is on earth and the difference need only be of circumstance which at least we know that much to be factually true [spirit only v spirit in human flesh] There is no further need or demand for different individual persons since all the different he’s are in fact the same HE!. Trying to claim that God is multiple different “He(s)” who make up the one being either leaves your God to be a “it” that consist of different he(s) or a“God being” who is a he while simultaneously consisting of different individual he(s) [Father-he; Son=he; Holy Spirit=he].

    B. If you find no difficulty in accepting that God is a he that consist of father son and holy spirit also referred to each as a different he and yet all the same he then what is the point to claiming different persons again? How is the multitude of hes who are all the same he show or demand different persons rather than different circumstances of the same person who is in fact “HE”?

    In any case, the trinitarian inconsistency and or incoherence will never be resolved by simply chalking it all up to “how great thou art” unless you willingly and blindly “drink the cool aid” calling it “faith”. True faith is in the words of God (including the specific anthropomorphism God himself uses) not in wild created imaginations of three different persons with different minds, locations and instructions for each other that is somehow not a pantheon of three gods who are only “one in terms of purpose not one god!….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4

    -JOHN 14: 8-20 ….[Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father] ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
    Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”

    -The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural) Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense

    -Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5; TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…

    -This should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……Today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into the image of your vain imaginations!
    You can download the complete FREE book from
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
    OR
    https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY
    OR
    http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920799

    #2 “ANOTHER GOSPEL”:
    -If you ask most people what the Good news or Gospel is they will probably tell you about the virgin birth or Christ death burial and resurrection. This would be rather humorous if it was not so sad considering that for the three and half years of Christ ministry he does not mention hardly ever. However, Christ does spend a lot of time preaching out of the OT scriptures. Now imagine given a report or manual to read and understand, that makes reference to and even quotes other source material and then ignoring that source material when it comes to defining the context and meanings of words in the report or manual you are trying to make sense of. If that seems dysfunctional that is because it is. This is, however, what most people are doing when it comes to understanding sound NT doctrine and or even what the Gospel message of Jesus was. The mystery of the gospel was not the death, burial and resurrection although it is part of it. In fact, death, burial and resurrection was the sign, the only sign, that Jesus gave to validate that the gospel message he was preaching all that time was true……and yet most deny it!?!?!

    -The “2nd coming”… “I come quickly” so “Hold fast till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 years I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 (in their lifetime) are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the Lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES. The “idea”/ doctrine that Jesus has not yet returned but “soon any day now soon” does not just make God out a liar; it is not just ridiculous but makes Christianity a mockery, A pathetic “ship of fools”!?!
    -The following example excerpt from Bertrand Russell: sometimes quoted by atheist et al and from his published work “Why I Am Not A Christian”
    Defects in Christ’s Teaching
    Having granted the excellence of these maxims, I come to certain points in which I do not believe that one can grant either the superlative wisdom or the superlative goodness of Christ as depicted in the Gospels; …. I am concerned with Christ as He appears in the Gospels, taking the Gospel narrative as it stands, and there one does find some things that do not seem to be very wise. For one thing, he certainly thought that His second coming would occur in clouds of glory before the death of all the people who were living at that time. There are a great many texts that prove that. He says, for instance, “Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.” Then he says, “There are some standing here which shall not taste death till the Son of Man comes into His kingdom”; and there are a lot of places where it is quite clear that He believed that His second coming would happen during the lifetime of many then living. That was the belief of His earlier followers, and it was the basis of a good deal of His moral teaching. When He said, “Take no thought for the morrow,” and things of that sort, it was very largely because He thought that the second coming was going to be very soon, and that all ordinary mundane affairs did not count. I have, as a matter of fact, known some Christians who did believe that the second coming was imminent. I knew a parson who frightened his congregation terribly by telling them that the second coming was very imminent indeed, but they were much consoled when they found that he was planting trees in his garden. The early Christians did really believe it, and they did abstain from such things as planting trees in their gardens, because they did accept from Christ the belief that the second coming was imminent. In that respect, clearly He was not so wise as some other people have been, and He was certainly not superlatively wise.
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom
    OR
    http://www.globethics.net/gtl/5455069
    OR
    https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM
    Amazon/Barns & Nobel et al
    978-1-4907-0590-3 (SC ISBN)

    #3 GOD LOVES EVERYONE; Jesus Died for “you”…… Just “come as you are”
    Does God love you?….”Probably” NOT!….and NO Jesus did not die for everyone!?!……There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups : A. The predestined damned B. the “many” called C. The “Few” Chosen
    Predestination….its true.. its all true… God does NOT love everyone:

    Prov 8: 17. I LOVE THEM THAT LOVE ME …………
    1John 5:3. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:

    (1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

    (2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,

    (3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
    will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”

    PS: “The world” that God so loved was not the Roman world nor the world of the Maya nor the world you imagined in your head that God specifically told them NOT TO LOVE!?!
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/306868420/Most-True-Christians-Go-to-Hell
    OR
    http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920800
    OR
    https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell

    THE THIEF-BAPTISM-GRACE& THE NAME-LORD & LT

    “whosoever shall call on THE NAME OF THE LORD shall be saved”
    ………So WHAT “NAME” did you “CALL UPON”?……
    Rev 19:13. .. and HIS NAME IS called THE WORD OF GOD
    Ps 138:2. praise THY NAME … for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME -
    NOTE: God placed His “THE WORD” ABOVE all of God’s various NAMEs – and Jesus NAME IS called “THE WORD” no other name saves. The MOST important name we should KNOW and CALL UPON is “THE WORD”; Not letters that spell “word” but the sayings/ doctrine/commands. It does NOT say “thy word is given a name above other names because here THY WORD is identified as the name that is placed above all other names.
    Isaiah 52:1. . 6. Therefore MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: ..What NAME do you “KNOW”.?
    1Jn 2:3. And HEREBY WE DO KNOW that we KNOW HIM, if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS./ Titus 1: 16. They profess that THEY KNOW God; but IN WORKS THEY DENY him…
    “AT the name OF JESUS”…..Jesus has a name that belongs to Jesus…just like the name OF GOD means a name that belongs to GOD but it is ridiculous to suggest that the letters G-O-D is that name…likewise the name OF JESUS is NOT the letters J-E-S-U-S. Why would anyone think that you could pronounce THE HIGHEST NAME OF GOD letter by letter…. (ie Judges 13:18; 2Cor 12:4 but God’s name is not as great and or “unspeakable )
    Rev 3:8 kept MY WORD, and hast not DENIED MY NAME; …
    .Jn 17:6. I have MANIFESTED THY NAME And they have KEPT THY WORD.;
    THE WORD is THE NAME above every name that saves us 1Pt 3:21 The ONE baptism(Eph 4:5) is into THE WORD ( which is also baptism in the Holy spirit Jn 6:63the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit ) ..ALL the sayings doctrines and commands….what did THE WORD that became flesh command? (Mat 28:19)…..what did THE WORD exemplify? (Mat 3:15/ Jn 4:1)………among other things…..YES .water baptism is just as essential and necessary for much a part of salvation (1Pt 3:21) as is keeping one self away from works of the flesh (Gal 5:21)….In fact obedience to the command of water baptism is specifically identified as the act of calling on the name of the Lord (Col 2:12 “……though the operation[work] of God” CAN ANY MAN BE SAVED WITHOUT GOD WORKING ON HIM?) …..THE WORD OF GOD is the name of God that men call upon OR…OR ..they DENY with their disobedience
    The scriptures tell us almost nothing about the thief’s life. However, the scriptures tell us a great deal about Christ life……Jesus had been around for 3.5 years before the cross and was Baptizing (Jn 4:1-2 in fact He instructed his disciples to do so and did many more then John the Baptist ever did) …..Those who try to appeal to the thief on the cross assume the thief had never heard of Jesus preaching and had never ever been baptized….The burden of Proof is on those who say baptism is not essential! ………..You can’t claim a logically valid “non-essentiality” doctrinal argument on ANYTHING based on what the scriptures do not say and in spite of the things it clearly does state to the opposite effect!…That is like looking at the constitutional law and then basing a argument against a constitutional principle in law based on the fact that history did not record for us what some unknown cattle thief did or did not do a 150 years ago?!?! What??..Who cares?? We know what the constitution did say 150 years ago. I don’t know of any Law school that bases its teaching on constitutional law based on what history does not tell us about unknown cattle thieves!?! ..Jesus command, preached & practiced Baptism so did the apostles ….To build one’s theology on the fact that the scriptures do not tell us ANY detail(s) of the thief’s life before the cross (we know almost absolutely nothing about the thief!!) it is quite foolish and willfully ignorant of what the scriptures do say about baptism…….so those who try to use the thief are in effect building their house on the sand of what scriptures do not say about a thief in spite of what the scriptures do specifically tell us about baptism!?!… “Their damnation is just” comes to mind…
    https://www.scribd.com/document/326686356/Thief-Cross-3D OR https://www.academia.edu/23846490/Thief_and_Cross_3D

    • rjdfree

      Either you are VERY Confused or Trying to Confuse those who may be Seeking a Relationship with God.

      Neither is there Salvation in any other: for there is none other Name (JESUS) under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be Saved. Acts 4:12

      Joel 2:28-32 – THE DAY OF THE LORD

      28 “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will Prophesy, your old men will dream Dreams, your young men will see Visions.

      29 Even on My Servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

      30 I will show Wonders in the Heavens and on the Earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke.

      31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the Moon to blood before the coming of the Great and Dreadful Day of The Lord.

      32 And everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord (JESUS) will be Saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the Lord has said, even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

    • laschuetz

      allendaves, PLEASE be on topic and quit blasting the same post on multiple articles. It’s beyond annoying, and I mark it as spam.

      • rjdfree

        Author’s Comment – Thank You! :idea:

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