Destined2B within this paper are many logical and biblically sound questions: questions that confirm the very foundation of what you teach is nothing more then quick sand.

Destined2B within this paper are many logical and biblically sound questions: questions that confirm the very foundation of what you teach is nothing more then quick sand.

Destined; first question; why is it prophesied Jesus Christ will rule all Gentile nations with a “Rod of Iron” once He returns as KING of Kings

How can that be == as according to you gentiles are all that remain upon this earth thus only gentiles can be the “true Israel of God” ?

Do you not teach only gentiles can be God’s chosen people as the children of Israel have been rejected and I would assume become gentiles through intermarriage?

Below are scriptures stating Jesus Christ, THE KING of Kings, will rule all gentile nations with a Rod of Iron.

Psalms 2

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: — the LORD hath said unto me, — Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] — the heathen — [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them (the Heathen) with — a rod of iron; — thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.

Revelation 2

25 But that which ye have [already] hold fast till I come.26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Destined what “works” did Christ do? And what is it we must “overcome”?

Destined to those that overcome and Keep His Works — to those – Destined — Christ is going to give power over the gentile nations. Revelation 5: 10.

27 And he (they that overcome) shall rule them with — a rod of iron; —-as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

These verses in Revelation 2 are restating Psalms 2: the Father declares HIS Son and those that overcome will rule the heathen i.e. the Gentiles with a Rod of Iron when the Father sets His King on His Holy Hill of Zion.

Revelation 12

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was (about to) to rule all nations with –a rod of iron: — and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

Again, Jesus Christ is returning earth from the throne of the Father to rule all gentile nations and He will rule them with a rod of Iron.

Revelation 19

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:— and he shall rule them with —a rod of iron:— and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

In the scriptures above the word Nation or nations — refers only to non Israelite people i.e. to gentiles.

Strong’s Concordance

#1484 nations

ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations — (as distinct from Israel.)

Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth’-nos)

Short Definition: a race, people, the Gentiles
Definition: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

Thus; it is the gentile nations Jesus Christ will rule with the ROD of IRON and logically the gentiles must be flesh and blood as it makes no sense to rule spirits with a rod of iron here on earth and I can not find spirits divided into nations.

Destined let me ask you a complex question I have been wanting to put before you for quite a while.

Isn’t one of your basic teachings God has forever rejected the children of Israel forever and now, according to you, gentiles are the “True Israel of God” and yet it is the gentiles that Christ must rule by force.

And what happened to the physical 12 tribes, the seed of Abraham, were they just mixed in with the gentiles to the point they are now considered gentiles?

Destined if all the Saints of God are resurrected as Spirit and according to you the 12 tribes are no more — then logically there can only remain physical flesh and blood gentiles living on earth.

Thus it would logically follow: there would be no physical seed of Abraham to be given the Promised Land in perpetuity.

God’s promise to Abraham is now moot? Really?

God’s “unconditional” promise can not be fulfilled?

Who then will David rule over as Jesus Christ has stated David will be king over all 12 tribes forever and each of the 12 Apostles will rule over one tribe?

Destined are you beginning to see how much confusion your doctrines are causing? Just casting physical Israel into the dust bin and making gentiles “The New Israel of God” renders other promises and prophecies made by God impossible to fulfill.

Can you, will you, address the above problems and show us how all this logically ties together with the WORD because to me you have created a huge bag of worms?

Now back to Revelation 19

16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Jesus Christ will rule all gentile nations with a rod of iron as KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS.

The Rod of Iron will be used to punish gentiles, not the tribes of Israel as the remnant of the 12 physical tribes of Israel, which God divided into the House of Israel and the House of Judah will be reunited into ONE Nation and that one nation “Israel” will return to the Promised Land to fulfill the unconditional promise God’s made to Abraham.

The physical seed of Abraham received the promise NOT gentiles that magically became the seed of Abraham.

I fully realize gentiles can be grafted into the House of Israel, but what you preach is the whole house of Israel is now adopted gentiles with no physical seed of Abraham included.

God’s Tithe (10%), God’s remnant from all the nations of Israel, will have been “converted” before the time of the 2^nd Exodus to Jerusalem.

Please point out which gentiles are now a tribe and a nation of Israel?

How can we tell who is of the Tribe of Judah or Reuben or Issachar or Zebulun?

And while you are at it point out which gentiles are the 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes: does this prophecy mean some gentiles are now of the tribe of Joseph and some of the tribe of Ruben and some of Judah? Exactly how does that all work according to your personal doctrines?

When Christ returns for the 2^nd time, He again frees Israel from bondage to the gentile nations and the remnant makes their way to Jerusalem from the north and from all the gentile nations where they will have been taken as bond slaves.

Christ will have no need for the rod of iron for physical Israel as the Israelites will have been converted by the end of the Great Tribulation and will “willingly” obey the voice of the KING of Kings and the LORD of Lords.

Why destined, must Jesus Christ — “ dash them (gentiles) in pieces like a potter’s vessel”.?

Destined just like you – the gentiles will not “willingly” obey the Torah — they are not converted and they must be forced to obey —And once Christ is sitting on HIS Throne ruling this earth —He will — force — gentiles to obey.

Now let’s prove that “rash” statement using clear scriptures.

Zechariah 14

16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations (gentile nations) — which came against Jerusalem — shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and —- to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Destined all the gentile nations that will come against Jerusalem at the return of Jesus Christ will be destroyed at that “Battle of that Great Day of GOD Almighty”. Christ slays millions Himself with HIS two edged sword.

The 10 % remnant of those gentile nations that survive will then be forced, year by year, to worship the KING at HIS Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem.

OH OH? Isn’t this one of God’s Holy Feast you hate and want nailed to the stake? — for sure it is!

17 And it shall be, [that] whoso — will not come up — of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even—- upon them shall be no rain.

Destined — if those gentiles “will not come up to God’s Holy Feast to worship the KING — the Rod of IRON will be used — “even upon them shall be no rain”.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; —-there shall be the plague, –wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of Tabernacles.

Destined can you explain away these scriptures using your confusing doctrines? Please do so –

Destined who is it that will be dwelling in Jerusalem? Who are those that will be keeping the Feast of Tabernacles, year by year in Jerusalem that the gentiles must come up to keep?

Destined if the leaders of Egypt refuse to assemble before the LORD on GOD”S Feast of Tabernacles —Then The KING of KINGS, — if drought is not enough -– shall send the Plague to punish them.

Destined the Seven Holy Feasts of God are NOT Jewish, they are GOD’S HOLY Feasts on which mankind is Commanded to assemble before the LORD GOD. Once Christ sits on the existing Throne of His father David — the entire world will keep these Feasts or they will be punished.

I know this is a shock to you, but you will also keep the 7 Holy Feasts of God when you are resurrected to judgment – that is a fact!

The resurrection to judgment is the 2^nd resurrection and it can be found in Revelation 20: 5 and Ezekiel 37.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up —— to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Destined why will the KING of Kings and LORD of Lords returned to earth and rule by God’s LAW — that Law you –so desperately hate and demand be nailed to the stake forever??

So it was never buried in the grave was it?” Yes something was taken to the grave with our Savior but it was never the LAW.

On another note; Destined, you and many others claim Jesus Christ came to bring the way of LOVE and to abolish harsh law, in verse 19 above, is our God showing love to the Egyptians? Is our KING of Kings showing love to neighbor by forcing them to keep the Feast?

Actually He is.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: — and all they that sacrifice — shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

Oh MY!!! Does this mean animal sacrifices will again be offered in the Temple at Jerusalem — what say you Mr. Destined?

I love that Perfect “WAY” of My Master and I love HIS HOLY LAW, His Statutes and His Judgments and I love to lay HIS HOLY WORD before any that will read.

I ask all that have read this far, please read what follows.

Micah 4

1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain (government) of the house (Family) of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains (governments), and it shall be exalted above the hills ; and people shall flow unto it.

Micah’s prophecy is for the LAST DAYS.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his Ways, and we will walk in his paths:——for the “law” —-shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Destined the Hebrew word “Law” in verse 2 is TORAH (#8451). It is the Torah which shall go forth from Jerusalem in— the last days.

Destined — the LORD is THE GOD OF JACOB, Jacob is the father of the 12 tribes which are 12 individually unique peoples that have grown into nations and only two of the 12 tribes are Jews. Paul, a Jew, is of the tribe of Benjamin and Judah is the other tribe in the House of Judah.

Destined — it is an utter absolute impossibility for God the Father to turn away from HIS Chosen People — His Chosen “physical” people Israel.

Do you not understand , can your mind not comprehend if God is not able to save HIS Own Chosen People what makes you think He can save fellows as hard headed as YOU and I?

Destined as you well know the 144,000 are 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes.

Destined if the 12,000 from the Tribe of Joseph are not the physical descendents of Joseph then may I ask you to reveal to – all of us– right now — which races of people or which churches or which nations are the 12,000 from each of the 12 tribe?

There are to BE 144,000 physical men and women which have not worshiped the Beast which makes them spiritual virgins — who are they —- if not the actual physical seed of Jacob?

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

As far as I can determine West Point is still in business: this is future.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make [them] afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken [it].

Physical men and women sit under fig trees.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

Isaiah 2

1The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah (The Jews) and Jerusalem.

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; —and he will teach us of his way s, —and we will walk in his path s: — for out of Zion shall go forth the law, (The Torah) and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

God Has ONE Way and ONE Path, I do not find that “way” or “path” is in the plural. The Torah teaches THAT ONE WAY of GOD Almighty.

4 And he shall judge (govern) among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

The House of Jacob — Only — will walk in the Light of the LORD.

Salvation comes to gentiles — only through Jacob — gentiles must be adopted into the family of Jacob: gentiles must be grafted into the House of Jacob or they will not be given the gift of eternal life.

The Old Covenant and the New Covenant was offered only to and was a valid enforceable contract only with the children of Israel; no other nation or race of people have or will ever be a party to either contract.

Destined — God is offering the world salvation only through HIS People Israel. There will be no gentiles in the kingdom. Even Jesus Christ referred to gentiles as “dogs”.

Are there not 12 Gates and are the 12 Gates named after the 12 tribes? Show us how gentiles can enter the City of GOD? Is there a gentile gate named after a gentile tribe? There are 12 Gates Period.

Destined there are many valid, logical and scriptural questions above — screaming for your personal attention — will you attempt to answer even one? That is a “definite” maybe as usual, right destined?

Destined is there no one you can run to for assistance?