What? Churches Push the Satanic 666 Hand Symbols in Church! Has the Promotion of the Mark of the Beast Found Its Way In? Outrage!!
Did you know that out of the seven churches listed in Revelation, that the church of Laodicea, was the only church God said nothing positive about? All the others received some type of positive report, and some negative too, but this church was the only one that received a solely negative report. Check it out…
1. To the Church in Ephesus he said this good thing about them, “I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name…” (Rev. 2:2-3). He goes on to say negative stuff also, but he starts with positive.
2. To the Church of Smyrna he says this good thing, “I know your afflictions and your poverty… Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.” (Rev. 2:9-10)
3. To the Church of Pergamum he says this good thing, “I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name…” (Rev. 2:13) He goes on to state he has a few things against them, but once again he lists a positive.
4. To the Church of Thyatira he says this good thing, “I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first.” (Rev. 2:19) He goes on to state a few things he has against them, but yet again lists a positive.
5. To the Church of Sardis he says this good thing, “you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy.” (Rev. 3:4) He also states some negative stuff about the church, but it included positive.
6. To the Church of Philadelphia he says this good thing, “I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.” (Rev. 3:8)
Each of these six churches had something positive written about them, however when we arrive at the last church the Church of Laodicea, God gives no positive input, rather he says this is the church he will, ‘spit out of his mouth.’ Why? Why did this church get no positive and only a negative report. Well after some digging I found my answer…
“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:…I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I will spit you out of my mouth.” Revelation 3:14-16
Laodicea had a water system tapped into the mineral waters from two of its neighboring lands. One of those places was Colossae, which brought cold water into the city. The other was Hierapolis, which brought hot water into the city. As a result, when both the waters meet through the aqueduct system in Laodicea, the water became lukewarm in nature. Producing tepid water for the locals to drink.
God describes the lukewarm nature of the church the same as the lukewarm waters from which they were drinking. In other words the Laodicea Christians lived a very complacent Christian lifestyle. So much so, that God himself wished that they were either hot or cold (with him or against him) rather than ‘on the fence.’
There are few things in life worse than spiritual complacency. But to the Laodicea’s it was a way of life. The city was rich and had need of nothing. Things were easy, they had food to eat, a roof over their heads, medical, and they were well taken care of. As a result they became complacent and didn’t have need of God.
“You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock.” Revelation 3:17-19
The problem wasn’t that they needed their physical needs met. The problem was that they were utterly satisfied with where they stood with the Lord spiritually. They were living spiritually unhealthy lives and in my opinion committing spiritual suicide.
“To be satisfied with where you are spiritually is to commit spiritual suicide!”
If you are not moving towards God, then you are moving away from him. There is no in-between. It’s either one or the other.
This is exactly what the church of Laodicea was doing and what many Christian churches are doing today. We live in a lukewarm generation, with a lukewarm church and I believe, we are like the Laodicea church.
Want to know how far we have come? Check out what happened at Bishop Eddie Long’s Church. He invited Clifford Harris—aka: T.I., an American hip hop recording artist—to preach to his congregation and during the sermon T.I. threw up the 666 hand symbol and encouraged the congregation to follow suit and disappointingly many did…
Video by TeamWakeEmUp…
“So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I will spit you out of my mouth.” Revelation 3:16
Being lukewarm is disgracefully distasteful to God. He even goes as far as saying he will ‘spit that church out of his mouth.’ These are powerful words coming from our Lord. I mean think about it, if something is distasteful to us, we might take a bite of the food but the second it gives us the repulsing taste, we’ll hack it up, spit or vomit it in the trash and dash to the bathroom to re-cleanse our mouths. This is how God feels about people being lukewarm and complacent. It makes him sick and want to vomit.
In truth, people who are complacent eventually drift away from the Lord into a lukewarm lifestyle. So be aware of where you stand and know that being lukewarm does not buy you a ticket into heaven.
“[Church of Laodicea]…If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.” Revelation 3:20-21
The great news is God gives an open invitation to the complacent church in Laodicea. He invites them to come back to him, sit with him on his throne and overcome just as Christ has overcome. In other words, start seeking God again with all your heart. If you are satisfied with where you are spiritually, check your life. You don’t want to be moving away from God or be stagnant, but rather move towards him, continually upwards. And for those of you who are holding fast, persevere and continue to seek him. Don’t be like the church that God ‘spits out of his mouth.’ Rather, be an overcomer.
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666 is not an evil number. I know you have trouble with critical thinking, and your just trying to get clicks by posting fear porn, but just try and open your mind just a little bit, okay? 666 is the carbon atom that makes up man. 6 Protons, 6, Neutrons and 6 Electrons…thus 666. No other species has this same amount.
They symbol with the eye is him telling you that religion is stuck in the 5th sense and to open your THIRD EYE (Pineal Gland), and step into the realm of the sixth sense.
666 is the number of the AntiChrist, the beast.
Don’t take part in worship of the beast.
http://wp.me/p3tGFm-aq
Don’t accept the mark on your hand or forehead.
Accept Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life.
“No other species has this same amount.”
A carbon atom’s properties are the same in all plants and animals.
Are they? Please provide me a link to this.
The carbon number for man is 6. Along with (organic compounds are hydrocarbon derivatives), i.e. OIL! But hey, screw facts if it doesn’t fit your ideologies, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body
The simple fact is that you’re wrong. The only other carbon materials that have 6 protons, 6 electrons, 6 neutrons making you who you are is OIL! Now go look that up and do some damn research, and stop pretending you know something you know nothing about!
My research is already done. Once you’ve done yours, get back to me.
….real deal….The saying goes “AS above, so below”. You seem to turn that around to” as below, so above”.
….I’m sure it doesn’t work like that.
…interesting…mark on the hand….but you gotta have it in your mind before that…………It could be the old “hook em horns” thing George W. throws around…it could be that angry driver at the stop sign, flipping you off….everything comes from the ‘mind’….first. “in”the forehead.
Yeah, and the Anti-Christ comes as a MAN to deceive many. So yes, it is an evil number because man allowed himself to become tarnished and God knew this. That is what I get from Revelations. I feel that God is saying that we are a disappointment.
You can open your 3rd eye, but it still doesn’t mean you are going to see any better. You might see more and know more, but evil and good exist there as well. If you aren’t ready for it, you will see lots of demons and they are a tricky bunch. Why do you think trance-inducing drugs and music (repetitive) are so popular?
This was titillating, spellbinding, and I’m absolutely outraged!!! What was it about again? AAAARRRGHHHHHHHH!!! I’m OUTRAGED, I tell you!
No mention of NNNEEEPPPHHHEEEELLLIIIMMM!
…Rift…so, YOU brought it up……watcha got for us?
when did before its news became such a Christian propaganda promoter? i am so disappointed
…..well, where two or more are gathered in my name…there am I among them….Para phrased, but you get the idea…right?
Amen Lisa. One of the biggest factors in spiritual complacency in the church today is people are being lied to, they are being told they are going to be raptured out of here before all hell breaks loose. The pre-trib rapture doctrine is a doctrine of demons. It is not Scriptural and it is in Satan’s interest for Christians to believe it in. All hell is literally about to break loose and the pre-trib rapture is a teaching that itchy ears want to hear because they think they will have an easy way out of what’s coming. They are being set up to make them cannon fodder for the Devil and his forces when all hell does break loose. Is the so-called Church ready for martyrdom today? No, they are not. They are not ready to stand in their faith against the ravages of the beast.
In the natural world, those entering the armed forces are not thrown onto the battlefield with no training because they would not last. They must go through rigorous physical training first, training on their weapons and how to use them, and so forth. Jesus calls us to a patient and enduring faith during the time of the antichrist. We are entering the time period the Bible warned us about, the time the world of the dead will open its mouth wide for. The body of Christ should be in spiritual boot camp, bracing and strengthening themselves in the LORD, preparing for all-out war, the war of all wars. But instead, so many Christians are ill prepared for what will soon envelop the whole world because of the pre-trib rapture teaching. They prepare not for what is about to happen and as a result, they will be sitting ducks for the enemy to take out. If someone does not think they will enter into a war, they will not prepare themselves for it.
Satan knows his time is coming, his last 42 months (except for a short time after the Millennium), and he wants to take out as many Christians as possible. Not as martyrs, but as those who will not remain firm in their faith, for then he can drag their souls down into the pits of hell. Jesus said we must remain firm in our faith until the end to be saved. And that is what Christians should set their sights upon—remaining firm in their faith UNTIL the end, not until right BEFORE the end.
If you have been misled by the pre-tribulation rapture, I bid you now to cut out this nonsense of thinking you won’t be here and run, not walk, but run for cover in the shadow of His wings (see Psalm 91) if you expect to endure until the end, whether the end for you is martyrdom or the Second Coming, which occurs at the end of this age at the 7th trumpet.
If you want to know how to draw closer to God and to find the secret place of the Most High, see:
/spirit/2013/03/invoking-angels-to-protect-you-and-your-loved-ones-in-these-troubled-times-2475866.html
“Amen Lisa”
Did you just say Amen? Gee i wonder who that pays homage to. Amen-Ra is the sun, just like Jesus is the sun/son…the Egyptians knew this, that is why they paid homage to Amen-Ra, the sun. When the sun rose above the Equator to bring rain, and allow them to grow their harvest they would celebrate by paying homage to Amen-Ra. Thus, Amen.
The whole bible is sun worship. But you people won’t wake up. Use that meat between your ears and think! You’re not going to hell, i promise.
“You’re not going to hell, i promise”
The only reason I’m not going to hell is because of the precious blood of the Lamb of God who takes away my sins.
The Real Deal, you are right about saying Amen.
am123, saying words like “Amen” can be called spell casting. Saying words out loud is how physical things are manifested and invoked in the spiritual world. Words are extremely and indescribably powerful. Most words have multiple meanings, and/or anagrams which the subconscious mind can recognize.
Consider this example: When someone sneezes you feel customarily obligated to say “Bless you”. But if you sound out the syllables does your subconscious mind also make the connection to the phrase “Be less, you”. So the very act of blessing someone can also be subconsciously telling them to be less.
This is spell casting.
http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/language.shtml
I agree Omega that saying words out loud is how things are manifested and invoked in the spiritual world. That is why daily I speak out loud words from Psalm 91 as I describe in the link I provided above.
Regarding saying “Amen”, the Lord looks at my heart, He knows my intention and knows I am not paying homage to a pagan god. I can’t tell you the first thing about Amen-Ra and I could care less. When we speak the words we use for the months of the year, are we paying homage to pagan gods?
The following comes from:
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/11/where-the-word-amen-came-from/
“amen” comes from the Hebrew word… *wait for it*… “āmēn” (אָמֵן)
“The Hebrew word “amen” originally derives from another Hebrew word of similar meaning: ʼāmán. It is sometimes theorized, probably incorrectly, that this Hebrew word has its origins in the Egyptian god Amun, which is also sometimes spelled “Amen”. However, most scholars think this is a mere coincidence and that there is no real connection between the two”
“The only reason I’m not going to hell is because of the precious blood of the Lamb of God who takes away my sins.”
So Jesus blood saves you from hell? Hmm, sounds very Satanic. Satanists use those rituals too, you know the ones where you eat flesh and drink blood…just like you do every Sun worshipping day.
I’m sorry Omega, but I refuse to cede over to people like The Real Deal the meaning of words contained in my Bible, like Jesus being the Amen and faithful and true witness. I’ll have none of it.
Omega, you just blew my mind. Nice job.
“I’m sorry Omega, but I refuse to cede over to people like The Real Deal the meaning of words contained in my Bible, like Jesus being the Amen and faithful and true witness. I’ll have none of it.”
Of course you concede, there is no refuting my claims, playa. Now go have a snapple and watch some more Trinity Broadcasting Network.
Refute the claims that all of your flesh eating, blood drinking, altar worshipping practice is not in line with Satanists. Refute that, please!
“Refute the claims that all of your flesh eating, blood drinking, altar worshipping practice is not in line with Satanists”
You make my point for me. So I’m supposed to reject eating the body of Christ and drinking the blood of Jesus because Satan has a counterfeit ceremony? I don’t think so. Same thing with the “Amen” thing.
am123: “He knows my intention and knows I am not paying homage to a pagan god. I can’t tell you the first thing about Amen-Ra and I could care less.”
That’s lazy thinking and quite possibly your greatest crutch. I keep seeing you throwing around that, “well, He knows my heart” platitude whenever something doesn’t “feel good” to you. But when you have been exposed to the evidence and you willfully ignore the sinful nature of your actions, you become a willing participant in the deception yourself, regardless of what you think the consequences of your intention may be. And when those consequences reverberate from the physical to the spiritual, it would be very unwise of you to ignore the dynamics of your intention when only viewed from the limited physical.
You acknowledge the supernatural power of words. You acknowledge the power of THE Word. Yet, you completely ignore the Enemy’s manipulation of language and holidays to suit his own interest? You have greatly underestimated our Adversary.
Never be content. Ignorance will not be an excuse.
Romans 11:25-26: “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:”
John 9:14: “Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains”
Why does it smell like the New International Version in here?
There’s another popular article right now on BIN about so-called evidence:
/alternative/2015/01/calling-all-religions-true-ancient-hidden-evidence-of-religious-origin-3089242.html
Do you take it I should stop following Jesus because of the “evidence” supplied about Horus, etc.?
And I’m sure you can tell me more about the pagan gods associated with the months on our calendars, and I assume you speak those months, so if so, then are you condemning yourself by taking me to task for saying “Amen”?
Guilty.
**Disclaimer** Always use the original text when possible as any later translation will never compete. For some unknown reason, I can’t paste on this site right now so I can’t get any of the Greek text to show on here.
I chose to go with the NIV for John 9:41* (not 14) because it’s a bit more straight forward. Though now that I look at it more closely, perhaps I would have been better off using a different verse altogether.
John 20:25, 27-29: “The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because though hast seen me, though hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
I know I’ve talked about Thomas many times before but it applies again here. Thomas missed out on a higher blessing because he expressed his doubts. He was our example that some people need more evidence than others. Some people need to physically see the nail in His hand. So the point is that pure faith will receive the greater blessing. And if these matters haven’t been presented to the point where the reader deems them to be necessary of further investigation, then either I have failed in my approach or am completely off the mark to begin with.
Hold up a minute am123.
Your tone is mocking and I’m not amused.
Nobody is telling you to stop worshiping Jesus because of a similar narrative described in the legends of Horus. The Enemy mocks. He cannot create, he can only imitate, and you know this am123.
Horus is an imitation of Messiah Yahushua, just as is Nimrod, Apollo, Dionysus, Krishna, and a thousand others (including Jesus – want to be taken to task on why you shouldn’t use that name too?)
There is only one Name for the Messiah and I see no value in using any Name for Him that can easily proven false.
And what does it matter what sins I commit? My sins should give you no excuse for your own.
“…if so, then are you condemning yourself by taking me to task for saying “Amen”?”
am123 turns the flank, rolls his forces and opens fire!!!
BADDA-BOW!!!
(kind of like badda-bing, but bigger)
The crowd eagerly anticipates Omega’s return fire, but they wonder of which ordinance it will be composed.
LATE!!!
The commentary by BEEF was LATE!!!
How about those month names, Omega?
am123 insinuated you’re a hypocrite. How say you?
Omega wrote:
“And if these matters haven’t been presented to the point where the reader deems them to be necessary of further investigation, then either I have failed in my approach or am completely off the mark to begin with.”
Now THAT is a phenomenon with which I have grappled mightily over the last six or eight years. I am flabbergasted by the utter LACK of investigational drive exhibited by the average member of mankind. The excuses attributable to this enigma are some more valid than others – full-time employment, and the like – but more often than not the cause traces its roots to laziness alone. Maybe. On the other hand, when you don’t know anything, you have very little idea how much there is you don’t know, so that paucity of knowledge tends to perpetuate itself. It actually takes many years of study to get a firm grasp of how little we know, about much of anything.
But I thought sparking interest in others would be easy. The truth on that score is probably worthy of its own study. And I don’t think spell-casting is out of the realm of possible causes for this anomaly. How an otherwise rational species of creature can be so steadfastly unmovable in the face of what SHOULD be thought-provoking subject matter, is utterly perplexing, to say the least.
Beef Supreme: “How about those month names, Omega? am123 insinuated you’re a hypocrite. How say you?”
The answer to this can be extrapolated from what you said to am123 the other day about Christmas:
“SO IF we choose to observe Christmas, via some token gesture like participating in Christmas dinner with family or even consenting to the exchange of gifts, I believe we cross the line into the inappropriate and dangerous THE MOMENT we become convinced that the festivities and rituals of that day IN ANY WAY honor the Father or the Son.”
Same can be said about using the word “Amen”. If you have convinced yourself that the word Amen is honoring the Father or the Son, then, and only then is there danger. However, this is slightly out of context so I will try to explain further.
Matthew 5:37: “But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”
Amen serves no purpose other than to identify oneself with the particulars common of certain establishment religions. There are many other alternatives “salutes” that could be used, but this “be-less-ing” seems to be the one of choice.
Words are much like symbols. They can both be presented in such a way so that it does not matter whether or not we’re consciously aware of their presence. It makes no difference. They still influence our thoughts, feelings, behavior, and the state of our spiritual health.
“The Spiral Dance” – a popular manual for witchcraft by Starhawk
“A symbol can act in two ways. First, it can be used to focus and project your energy through it. Second, a symbol can function as a magnifier and transmitter of energy, EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT FOCUSING ATTENTION ON THE SYMBOL. Symbols do have a life force of their own. They are mini-transmitting stations for subtle energies that are infused in our reality. Each symbol interacts with your energy field, constantly generating a force field that strengthens you.”
There’s much to go on about with but the point is that the use of Amen serves no rational purpose when confronted with the nature of its origins.
On the contrary, using the pagan names given to the days and months when speaking the common tongue of the land you live in does serve a purpose, if only slightly. It’s simple communication. If I only chose to speak in the Hebrew and Greek tongue, few would understand. Regardless, when I speak these words, I’m well aware of what they mean. And in no way whatsoever do I believe that they honor the Most High ir His Son.
Though a hypocrite I may be, lazy and ignorant of this matter I am not.
Isaiah 5: 20. Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter.
Omega,
By my count, the Hebrew word ‘âmên appears 27 times in the Old Testament.
H543 אמן ‘âmên (aw-mane’) From H539; sure; abstractly faithfulness; adverbially truly: – Amen, so be it, truth.
The score on this subject, as viewed from my chair, is that since we’re speaking English, and not Hebrew, we’re already speaking one of the Devil’s main languages. Moreover, even if we speak Hebrew, we don’t speak it like the ancient Israelites did, on account of the fact that the Hebrew language was dead and was resurrected by Kabbalist Jews in a manner conducive with their purposes.
I therefore draw the line at ‘amen.’ Egyptian mythologists like to lay claim to the word, but I say they can suck it. This word is in the Hebrew Manuscripts. Was it put there late by lying scribes to sneak in honor for some Egyptian deity? Absent supporting evidence for that theory, I tend to doubt it.
I conclude prayers and grace by saying ‘amen.’
“There’s much to go on about with but the point is that the use of Amen serves no rational purpose when confronted with the nature of its origins.”
I think Moses would disagree with you. ‘Amen’ occurs 14 times in his writings alone.
“On the contrary, using the pagan names given to the days and months when speaking the common tongue of the land you live in does serve a purpose, if only slightly.”
Perhaps so, but we are instructed not to let their names be uttered from our mouths. Don’t get me wrong – I’m as guilty as everyone for saying Monday and January.
“Though a hypocrite I may be, lazy and ignorant of this matter I am not.”
I knows you ain’ts lazy, brother. I hope you didn’t read my above commentary re laziness as being aimed at you. And I’ll be a hypocrite right next to you. Still trying to work that one out.
“There is only one Name for the Messiah…”
Here are two other names:
“I am Alpha and Omega…”
—REV 1:8
“Nobody is telling you to stop worshiping Jesus because of a similar narrative described in the legends of Horus.”
The point is you and The Real Deal are telling me about Amen-Ra and you assume your evidence is the correct evidence and I am guilty of something (blasphemy, idolatry?), but I showed you one example in the link I provided about scholars who say the Amen in the Bible is not related to Amen-Ra. Additionally, I look in my Bible and “Amen” is used quite a bit, including as a name for Jesus:
“… These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness”
—REV 3:14
So did all the Bible translators get it all wrong, filling the Bible with the name of a pagan god?
“If you have convinced yourself that the word Amen is honoring the Father or the Son, then, and only then is there danger.”
So if I use the word amen and I don’t believe it has anything to do with Amen-Ra, and I use it merely in the sense of “it is so”, then is there danger for me when using the word amen, even when reading my Bible?
“Your tone is mocking and I’m not amused.”
The intent was not to mock. You are extremely intelligent and your heart is true and you do much good, but I am not amused that one word was taken from my original post and blown way out of proportion. I find this discussion along the lines of for example, the other day I had some Lucky Charms for breakfast. Now I am well aware that charms are used in witchcraft, so given that, and given that I purchased a box of Lucky Charms, am I in danger of being thrown in the lake of fire for that? BTW, that is not mockery, but exaggeration for effect in order to make a point.
“am123 turns the flank, rolls his forces and opens fire!!!”
I do believe you are enjoying this BEEF
C’mon, you could have used a few emoticons in that post for effect
am123
You do NOT eat Lucky Charms, do you?
The GMO’s alone will give you nuclear flatulence and melt your duodenum.
I might have inadvertently created an emoticon monster
“melt your duodenum”
I hate when that happens!
Beef Supreme: “I think Moses would disagree with you. ‘Amen’ occurs 14 times in his writings alone.”
True. I don’t argue that. However, my evaluation of the evidence leads me unconvinced that those 14 occurrences are genuine. The truth is that, though we have what the internet calls “original manuscripts” for the Torah, we don’t actually have the original writings of Moses. We use the best that we have. We have scribes. We don’t actually have Moses though we can see that, from the manuscripts that we have, there still are no errors.
Then, there is this word, “Amen”, defined by man as a blessing, that floats around the Bible from time-to-time following the actual Meat of the verses themselves. Now, I could very well be wrong here, but I do believe that there is some cause for concern when viewed from the lens that views the occult nature of language.
So where do we draw the line exactly? Who’s to say? It would seem as if the existence of “Amen” predates the birth of Moses. Thus, I simply can’t conclude that a change wasn’t made at some point after Moses wrote the Torah. Language is very powerful tool for confusion and anyone reading this thread should have the discernment to see that. Imagine the benefits the Enemy could receive by placing his own blessing in place of where the Most High intended.
am123. I do not believe that discussions like this are simply just some meaningless argument. Everything must be on the table here. Question everything.
“I do not believe that discussions like this are simply just some meaningless argument. Everything must be on the table here. Question everything.”
OK, perhaps the Lucky Charms analogy was a little over the top and would have probably been better left unsaid.
I in fact don’t think it is meaningless when two believers clash and sparks fly, for if sparks are flying, then you know what is going on.
And look at how much enjoyment BEEF gets out of the sparks flying!
But everything must be on the table and question everything you say? Even question the use of “Amen” to the point of projecting your disdain (for lack of a better word) about the use of the word upon other believers who are fully persuaded there is nothing wrong with word and in fact use it in a Biblical way? Would you let it divide you from fellowship with BEEF for example, who says amen in his prayers and grace?
Would it be prudent for me to allow your disdain for the word “Amen” cast doubt into my heart and mind about my relationship with my Father, my Abba, because I use the word “Amen”? Will He be mad at me for using that word? Will He disown me for saying “Amen”?
At some point you have to go with what you believe with your whole heart. If in my time of fellowship with the Lord, in my time of loving Him, when expressing my gratitude and worship unto Him with the following words, which include the word “Amen” in v12 below, how can I give Him my whole heart in adoration if I have doubts about using the word “Amen” when proclaiming the following words in an expression of worship:
10 …Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
—REV 7:10-12
Question everything? If I speak the above words in faith and love and worship and adoration, how can I abandon my heart to Him if I allow doubt into my heart about saying amen?
I am fully persuaded so I have no compunction about using amen, but what about the novice Christian who might reading this discussion who happens to use the word amen, how is sprinkling inklings of doubt into them a good thing?
“how is sprinkling inklings of doubt into them a good thing?”
We all have our disagreements. But that’s okay. That never changes how I view any of you. It’s just a part of the life we have chosen and we need to man up by not allowing for those disagreements to get in the way of our search for the Way and the Truth. I see all you regulars as brothers so any sparks flying, from my point of view, are from the sharpening of the armor between us friends. Nothing more and nothing less. I hold no grudges.
And my interest is not in sprinkling doubt in to believers about the Meat of the Word. My interest is only to get the readers to question the use of the language they have been accustomed to using. If you can’t see the difference, you haven’t fully been paying attention.
“Amen” is typically a salute used between believers. It is a believed to be a blessing. I’m saying that the evidence has suggested to me that it could be the opposite. It could be a curse. IF it is a curse, then don’t I have the obligation of calling attention to it? Am I not commanded to warn?
Ezekiel 33:2-9: “Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand. So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.”
I call you out for this matter in particular because I have great respect for you. Because I am genuinely concerned about these things that certain words can provoke. Though I don’t believe that using “Amen” will result in eternal hell-fire, I do believe that it can be a chink in your armor. And, in calling attention to this possible chink in your armor, you and Beef have exposed chinks in mine as well. As such, I have no regrets about this discussion for what I have learned. I hope you have learned something as well.
Omega,
I understand your stance on the matter. Typically, I will only entertain notions that the Scriptures have been altered once I’ve seen plenty of supporting evidence. But I do make rare exceptions, as in the case of Matthew 12:40, which I believe to have been altered. And while a thorough search for evidence of tampering is on my to-do list, I haven’t gotten to it yet. So I would be a hypocrite (there it is) if I shut down your ideas about ‘amen.’ What you’re saying makes sense – but I’m not aware of anything to substantiate it. Amen?
“I do not believe that discussions like this are simply just some meaningless argument. Everything must be on the table here. Question everything.”
That I’ll agree with across-the-board. But around here, valid topics like to erupt into week-long pissing matches. In that case, it’s better to go do something else more constructive. Like eat glass.
am123 wrote:
“I am fully persuaded so I have no compunction about using amen, but what about the novice Christian who might reading this discussion who happens to use the word amen, how is sprinkling inklings of doubt into them a good thing?”
That’s on the novice. Because none of us has had the audacity to portray ourselves as teachers, or as members with any authority, then all we are doing here is examining. If a novice happens upon a conversation which causes to unsettle him in some small way, that is simply par for the course (and, as it happens, wholly unavoidable). In the past when I was processing my doubts about the word ‘amen’ there was a period of time wherein I would say ‘so be it’ instead. I was weighing the charges against ‘amen’ and I thought the charges might be valid. That’s not what my conclusion reflected though. The process is perhaps as important as the result. You can’t worry over-much about shielding frail newcomers to the faith. This is not to say that we shouldn’t do what we can to help our less-developed brethren. But if there’s anything in our typical conversations here to cause irreparable harm to some of the milk drinkers, my thought would be they were never going to take root in the first place. Yet another fine line.
…To whom it may concern…..SO COMPLICATED!!!! Sheesh. The word ‘AMEN’, means…literally
…..”That is that”…..it really is that simple…..You could say “I agree”, and say the same thing. I just read 5000+ words of posts……used up big chunk of my morning…..pfffft….gone…….
Omega,
Neither do I hold grudges and do not regret the discussion. These things will happen when you’re passionate about things that matter. But we can pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, shake hands, and continue on to the next discussion. I’m glad you’re mature enough to let it go and carry on. It may not be the last time we clash, but you’re a worthy opponent (for lack of a better word).
“I just read 5000+ words of posts……used up big chunk of my morning…..pfffft….gone”
Consider it payback max for us having to read through your spiritual mumbo jumbo posts
It’s just a joke max….calm down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZoyE1B7HHA
…123…I understand….I laughed…couldn’t help myself. Since ya’ll called me out on the controversial parts of my own…uh…beliefs, my brain kicked in and I haven’t been this clear in a while.
….we should try to work out this young earth, thing. I can prove with pure science, that this globe is waay older than 6000 years.
“I can prove with pure science, that this globe is waay older than 6000 years”
No you can’t max, you’d be using bogus dating methods. Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1GJjHXX0Ic
Hey BEEF,
What happened to your multiple emoticon post and the other posts with it? They disappeared….poof.
Must have blown a circuit in the system, am123.
Either that, or the BIN gets charged per emoticon, and I racked up too big a bill.
Or there could just be an emoticon shortage.
But most likely, it is that the BIN only intends for their emoticons to be utilized, machine-gun-style, by atheists and Satanists with multiple accounts and multiple personality disorders.
“But most likely, it is that the BIN only intends for their emoticons to be utilized, machine-gun-style, by atheists and Satanists with multiple accounts and multiple personality disorders.”
Well, let’s put your theory to the test BEEF:
LOL
The Real Deal;
YOU POSTED:
“The only reason I’m not going to hell is because of the precious blood of the Lamb of God who takes away my sins.”
SINCE HELL MEANS THE GRAVE, IF YOU DIE, YOU MOST CERTAINLY WILL BE IN HELL, SHEOL, HADES, THE GRAVE. THEY ALL MEAN THE SAME THING. THE HELL THAT FALSE RELIGION TEACHES DOES NOT EXIST. THERE IS NO PLACE OF TORMENT. WE DON’T EVEN HAVE AN IMMORTAL SOUL THAT SURVIVES DEATH, SO NOTHING OF US CAN BE SENT TO A NON-EXISTENT HELLFIRE PLACE OF TORTURE.
The dead are shown to be “conscious of nothing at all” and the death state to be one of complete inactivity. (Ec 9:5, 10; Ps 146:4)
So Jesus blood saves you from hell? Hmm, sounds very Satanic. Satanists use those rituals too, you know the ones where you eat flesh and drink blood…just like you do every Sun worshipping day.
am123
you seem to have an understanding of God’s word
the mark of the beast is not a literal mark it is the ones who think when antichrist gets here will worship him thinking he is Christ the churches are teaching rapture and they are going to be so ashamed when they find out when Christ shows up at the 7th trump. the mark in your forehead, whats in your forehead your brain thinking he is Christ, the mark in your right hand, doing the work for the antichrist. mother will deliver daughter up to death, father will deliver son up to death, death is satan,and you know its a spiritual death not a physical one wouldn’t you agree
No, I do not agree with your assessment of the mark of the beast. People will not be able to buy or sell without it. I don’t believe what you describe as the mark is something that will enable one to buy or sell goods.
However, having said that, there is a spiritual aspect to it, for those that belong to God will be marked on their foreheads with His spiritual mark during the tribulation.
The forehead mark is your Pineal Gland. Hello.
no it is not your pineal gland. you are misleading people . rev. 9: 4 and it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth nor any green thing, neither any tree, but only such men as have not the seal of god on their forehead.
I know it hurts to wake up out of that coma and see things from the 6th sense perspective. You’re shooting the messenger. I was just like you. I fought, bit kicked and screamed…And then i woke up.
“And then i woke up”
It’s not a matter of waking up….you are dead. You need life.
Don’t worry march is the Spring Equinox…The Son will shine his love down on me and i will thrive!
Kapow!!
…123…Rev.22:4…And they shall see his face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.
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….when you stand before God your mind should be full of His name….anything that prevents that sort of concentration….is the mark of the beast “in their foreheads”.
I’m the enemy?
I’m sorry, i have no idea what you’re talking about, nor how Jews were dragged into this…but uh, go ahead and Babylon…oops i mean babble on!
…I call that video there as misleading and openly dismissive of the physics and the geology, concerning the age of this earth. From the amount of dust on the moon to traces of comet materia, the earth hasn’t been close to in 10′s of thousands of years. And sedimentary deposit found beneath mountains that are 10,000 years….without counting the years it took to form the sedimentary specimen.
I know that you hold dear to unscientific and illogical “young” earth, and you are married to it…..without even wanting to delve into the facts. Provable facts. If that video you sent me was the best you have, well…. ….I will not give up on common sense….the Lord gave it to me…expects me to use it.
You are following the occult Real Deal….satan is misleading you!!!
Saturn is misleading me? Oh nooooo!!!!
…real deal….Look…. i know where you are coming from…but to these people, your philosophy is an abomination….
….I see the patterns and feel the rhythms of the stars. I was introduced to astrology by my step mother….my dad met her in 1967.
…If there was a way for you actually convey some of your knowledge without the lame attempts at humor…and that overwhelming egotistical attitude….There would be some of us who would enjoy hearing, just how all these astral revelations are affecting the times, we find ourselves in. A little bit of humility goes a long way around here. try it.
Max,
His knowledge of astrology is worthless and it won’t save him from utter destruction or anyone else in the day of wrath:
13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
—Isaiah 47:13-14
…His depth of understanding is not very…..uh..deep? maybe he could be intelligently curious, and, more than just the blowhard that he seems to want to be. Maybe an attempt at “evangelizing”…..even if a bit lame. I won’t judge anyone, but i can “try” them a bit.
“Saturn is misleading me? Oh nooooo!!!!”
Correctamundo Deal. You can bet your favorite red rider BB gun on that one. It’s his job. There is an impostor on the throne and he wears the golden rings.
…chopper…good post….. kinda poetic.
You will know them by their fruits.
The Kingdom of God is in you. KJV Luke 17
Jesus traveled and visited churches/temples inside of people.
Satan tries to turn Gods Bride=True Church into something physical.
Sure it’s ok to get together in a physical building built by men hands
too congregate together. But The True Church is in you
…saint…the only thing to watch out for in “congregations” is the influences of the traditions of men.
…..The “church” IS you.
Jesus never existed in the flesh. Jesus is a character!
The 2nd commandment says that IDOLATRY is a sin, Yet Christians worship an object in the form of a man, they IDOLIZE an object named Jesus only because it has the appearance of a man and a story to go along with it.
This is very ignorant. Anyone who worships an IDOL named Jesus is a sinner and a lost soul.
Martyleeds33.com
you’re just a stirer that no one pays any attention to. you belong to a church of apostacy with one member – and he’s an idiot . In fact he is so stupid he thinks the earth does not even exist physically – that it is just a figment of our collective imagination, I know that church well, it is similar to many other end time churches for insane lost souls who are dissatisfied with religious hypocricy but too stupid to actually read a bible for themselves for fear they may actually learn the truth. and thus have to live by it. Its not that bad really. “My burden is easy , my yoke is light.”
…..Where you make a big mistake, is believing Christ is just a man. Wrong.
….. Christians believe He is God in the flesh, and it is the cornerstone of the faith. There is nothing that can be done, for folks like yourself. There are no fence-sitters anymore….you either are one of the faithful, or you are not…….
Lisa;
Your headline includes: Has the Promotion of the Mark of the Beast Found Its Way In?
The answer is absolutely, NO. The mark of the beast is not 666 that people must not accept. The mark of the beast is acceptance of Satan’s system of the world. The lust for money, sex, lies, immorality, and the like. The mark isn’t a physical mark, but essentially a mental one. Jesus said that we are “to be no part of the world”. He said that “if anyone loves the world, he does not have love for God”. He also said to live as “alien residents” in the world.
The number 6 in the scriptures denotes imperfection. Repeating it three times solidifies the imperfection. The number 7 denotes perfection. 10 denotes completeness.
So, no, 666 isn’t the mark of the beast we are warned of. The scriptures, figuratively, do say that Satan’s number is 666. It’s a FIGURE OF SPEECH. The Bible is FULL of figures of speech such as personifications, metaphors, and similes. This is just one more figure of speech.
Saying something is a “figure of speech” is a great way to make it mean what you want
Some of us can think for ourselves…
neo;
Since God inspired and is the author of all scripture, are you saying He made a mistake by using figures of speech? That’s an absurd assertion for you or anyone to make. It also makes you antichrist. It at the very least shows that you picked the only other choice besides God.
Jesus said this jesus said that – what part of you will not be able to buy and sell without the mark on your forehead or hand don’t you understand?
did you go to a school of “selective bible reading ” or something.
Here’s a metaphor for you – psychos have taken over the church- its just a metaphor mind – nothing personal – that would be against my religion – to point out psychos in our midst – oops another metaphor.
CC Obama;
Are you insane or what? You think that you know what the scriptures say, but you don’t then you become disparaging to those who don’t have your skewed view on the scriptures meaning. What a jerk.
…….Savage finally said something I agree with….except the part that 666 is just a figure of speech. It is a description of the time of the release of Satan from his bonds in Heaven….The message is this: At the the confluent time of the sixth seal, the sixth vial and the sixth trump….Satan is “on the planet”….ex facto. In person.
Hey Max
and here we are again with 666 and antichrist whats to become of people when you share a truth from God’s word I know where you and I stand with this. We will be just fine
max;
Satan is a spirit person and cannot be in the flesh. That has been so since he was cast down to the “vicinity of the Earth”.
Peekaboo!
….savage…..prove it!! I don’t believe you know the difference. How did the napha, take wives of the daughters of Adam? Lucifer was made of the same stuff as the rest of the “fallen”.
….You just take the scripture and make it fit your own philosophy….its supposed to be the other way around.
max jones;
YOUR POST:
….savage…..prove it!!
WHY NOT LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF. YOU PROVE IT, OR DISPROVE IT.
I don’t believe you know the difference.
YOUR BELIEF IN SOMETHING DOESN’T MAKE IT COMPORT WITH SCRIPTURE, AND YOUR BELIEF DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.
How did the napha, take wives of the daughters of Adam? Lucifer was made of the same stuff as the rest of the “fallen”.
YEP. SINCE THE FLOOD, IT’S BEEN FORBIDDEN FOR SPIRIT BEINGS TO TAKE PHYSICAL FORM.
….You just take the scripture and make it fit your own philosophy….its supposed to be the other way around.
NO, I TAKE SCRIPTURE FOR EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY. IT IS YOU WHO SIMPLY DON’T UNDERSTAND THEM. YOU TAKE ONE SCRIPTURE TO MAKE A POINT, WHEN 99% OF THE TIME, YOU TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT. YOU OMIT THE REST OF THE PICTURE. SOUNDS LIKE WHAT RELIGIONS DO. THE SCRIPTURES DO INDICATE THAT RELIGIONS ARE FALSE.
jesus was an essene, and these are the teachings we need to research if we really want to live as he did.
http://youtu.be/ZAX6T8IO6Uk
fascinating hour long lecture describing the essene way of life. they were the first to promote equality between men and women and first to outlaw slavery.
BS, King Cyrus the Great of Persia was the first ruler to invent and enforce human rights, he was the first to outlaw slavery.
666 is the number of the beast, not it’s mark. The mark of the beast has been practiced by warmongering mass murdering Christians since the outset. If you didn’t cross yourself with the mark of the beast in public, using your right hand to mark your forehead, you would have been accused of being a Jew, or a witch, your property would have been confiscated, they would have tortured until you confessed to being evil, followed by a public execution of burning you alive as a warning to other non Christians in their thought and belief intolerant political dictatorship.
…..Pox…I don’t know if you would believe it, but you are sounding more and more demonic….Satanic. You know scripture…there is no doubt…but just like Satan the tempter, you twist it about 90 degrees, over to the predator’s side of the argument…. I got your number now, ma’am.
Well, I’m not surprised, it’s what you’d expect from a maximus moron. That’s all a moron has, stupid puerile name calling and poli-tic spin. History is what it is and can’t be changed and the fact remains Christians mark themselves with their right hand on their forehead crossing themselves = the mark of the mass murdering beast called Christ-I-anti.
Moron
“I got your number now, ma’am.”
Thanks for the compliment. Women are the creators of life, the nurturers. Why insult and then compliment, make your mind up moron.
….Hey numb nuts….only catholics and Orthodox…”cross themselves”….and so what? You, dear, are very superstitious. Like stepping on the cracks in the pavement, brings bad luck. I’m gonna stay on you and your satanic ass. Answer my questions…coward.
The mark of the beast is not a physical mark.
A mark by it’s nature is physical. There are no non physical marks. You can’t have an invisible mark, it’s an oxymoron.
Revelation 13:16, 17. Despite the hardships we may encounter in carrying out such everyday activities as ‘buying or selling,’ we should not allow ourselves to be pressured into letting the wild beast rule our lives. Accepting ‘the mark of the wild beast in our hand or upon our forehead’ would amount to permitting the wild beast to control our actions or affect our thinking. The mark is not physical, but is the acceptance of allowing the beast to affect or control our choices and actions.
Oh, and Pix, you forget invisible ink. Disappearing ink. Marked man. And many other references to marks that cannot be seen. Your argument holds NO water.
Amazing how satan keeps our minds filled with other things except focusing on the word of GOD.