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Understand the Trinity for what it is – A Deceptive Doctrine

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 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:29 

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: forthere is one God; and there is none other but he: Mark 12:32 


Can we understand the Trinity, or is it another nonsensical doctrine of man?  Is this teaching designed to enlighten our understanding of God, or create confusion?

Understand the Trinity for what it is -  A Deceptive Doctrine

1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Most who claim to understand the Trinity have the spirit of this world and follow after the traditions of men. Others simply do not study the Word and let their false teachers do their thinking for them. It is only through the Spirit of God that we are able to rightly divide the Word of Truth, and understand the Trinity teaching for what it is.

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

Apparently the jewish people worship one of the three persons of this godhead, and therefore have a unique and separate destiny without Christ. We, who understand the Trinity to be false, also realize without Christ one is also without the Father. Christians worship all three of these persons in the trinity, but are unable to rationally explain this theory.

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Spirit filled believers understand the Trinity to be yet another doctrine of deception, and understand that they are True Israel of God. Many take the verse above and teach that the gentiles will see the righteousness of the jewish people.

However what this verse declares is that the people shall see the righteousness of the King of Glory.

Jesus is that King and Lord.

We understand the Trinity to be a false teaching as Christ alone is Lord

Matt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

Christ is the King of Glory, and both Mathew and Isaiah enable us to understand the Trinity is not taught as truth. The prophet Isaiah declares that the sun and moon will be darkened when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion (Isaiah 24:23, Joel 3:15).

The sun and moon will be darkened before that great day of the Lord (Acts 2:20, Mark 13:24, Mat 24:29). Isaiah and Joel refer to Yahweh reigning, while Mathew, Mark  and Paul speak of Christ. The Lord is one God.

There is no unity of three distinct persons, the definition alone is an oxymoron.

Matt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Did Jesus Himself not understand the trinity? He declares Himself to be Lord and God, not one eternally distinct person of a three headed trinity.

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Jesus told Philip, he that has seen me has also seen the Father? This is not in any way in reference to two persons. Understand the Trinity is a lie.

John the Baptist told the people of that day, to prepare the way of the Lord (Mat 3:3). Isaiah refers to Christ as Jehovah or Yahweh. It is impossible to understand the Trinity as it is in opposition to what the prophets taught (Isaiah 40:3).

2 Cor 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, togive the light of the knowledge of the glory of God through the appearance of Jesus Christ.

One can’t claim to understand the Trinity, and have the full assurance of the understanding of the mystery of God. God is both the Father and also Christ. Jesus said I and the Father are one; He never alluded to two separate persons (Col 2:2-3).

Thess 3:11 Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.

When we remove the word and, in the verse above and below, again we can understand the Trinity as a nonsensical doctrine.

The correct interpretation is;

God Himself even the Father is also the Lord Jesus Christ.

Otherwise we may understand the Trinity in this verse as three without the Spirit.

Those who loudly proclaim they understand the Trinity, look to misinterpreted scriptures to validate their false claims.

2 Thess 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

The word and, used here and in many other verses is used to separate Christ from His rightful position of God.

Instead of inserting the word and, which is a continuative we must refer to the correct word.

In this case and in many others the word and should actually be changed to even so, also or likewise (G2532).

Also, likewise and indeed are used as connectors; if you have seen the Son likewise you have seen the Father.

2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, (who is indeed the) Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom

Do you really understand the Trinity – Yahweh and Yeshua are One God

The following verses that utilize the word Lord are all in reference to Christ the Messiah, and Savior for all of mankind (H 3068). How many who say they understand the trinity, can explain how this supposed separate person of the godhead is also known as Yahweh.

Psalms 24:8 Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.

Does the incorrect insertion of words somehow allow us to understand the Trinity more fully? Three of the most incredible deceptive insertions of words are found in the very first book of the Old Testament (Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:6-7).

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil…

The Lord God said, man is (as) one knowing good and evil.

The words of us are added incorrectly in this verse (Gen 3:22). To claim God said man is become as one of us, is beyond ludicrous.

 Isaiah 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?

To say you understand the trinity and teach others of a God that is three persons, discredits and mocks God. The words God and persons do not belong in the same sentence.

  • There is none like unto God, because there is only one God (Deu 5:7, Isa 44:8, Mark 12:32, Rom 3:30).
  • There is only one God that saves (Isaiah 45:22, Mat 1:21).
  • There is only one God to which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess (Isa 45:23, Rom 14:8-12).

Zech 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

To comprehend one Lord whose name is one, is to understand the Trinity for what it is.

Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.

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Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.


Isaiah 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

For the fear of Yahweh they will hide their faces from the wrath that is to come from the Lamb (Isa 13:13). This is not a description of two persons, but of one.

Rev 6:16-17 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, even from the wrath of the Lamb:  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Do you still claim to understand the trinity? Explain to us then, how is it that both Yahweh and the Lamb bring the wrath upon mankind at the last day?

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And how is it that this same Lamb brings wrath, through a joint effort with Yahweh, and yet is also the deliverer of others from wrath by Himself.


We understand the Trinity for what it is. The doctrine  of the Father and the Son having distinct eternal characteristics, and being two unique persons is utter nonsense.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

If Yahweh is not the only savior and He is not one and the same with Jesus Christ, Mathew is very much confused.

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

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  • CTrent33

    Three Persons, One God. Undivided unity.

    Isaiah 48:16-17 “Come ye near unto me, and hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning: from the time before it was done, I was there, and now the Lord God hath sent me, and his spirit. Thus saith the Lord thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am the Lord thy God that teach thee profitable things, that govern thee in the way that thou walkest”

    1 John 5:7 “And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.”

    Matthew 28:19 “Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”

    • Truthseeker


      why bother quoting words your “catholic” church (catholic as opposed to christian) inserted into the Word of God?

      And why use the inserted word “ghost” that never appears in the entirety of the WORD of GOD?

      That sir is another attempt by the popes to confuse and to control the world.

      and very very soon the pope and the beast he will control WILL rule the entire world.

      and then both will be cast into the lake of fire by Jesus Christ.

      That will end the “universal church of Satan” and her daughters for ever — for which I thank my Father and His Son.

  • Truthseeker

    destines –please quit teaching —- “utter nonsense:

    Here is a statement of your:

    “We understand the Trinity for what it is. The doctrine of the Father and the Son having distinct eternal characteristics, and being two unique persons is utter nonsense.”

    Then How could Christ state the Father is greater then HE??

    ELOHIYM is a plural word, Elohiym is a family — the Father and the Son. Genesis states “let us”

    And where in the world did you come up with the Spirit being a person??

    Isn’t that a trinity??

    The Holy Spirit is “of” and “from” the Father it is HIS Spirit “DNA” if you will, that Spirit essence of the Father is what places in man the “seed” of eternal life and that “life” comes only from the Father.

    That Seed, “the Father’s Spirit”, is the down payment on eternal life we receive when the Father places us in the body of Christ.

    That HOLY SEED is what make a person a SON of God the Father exactly as physically the sperm of the human father make his son “his” son.

    Paul calls the Holy Spirit the SEED, it is the seed by which a repentant person become a spiritual fetus waiting to be born again into the family of Elohiym.

    And by this spiritual birth we are born again by a 2nd birth with the same spirit body as Jesus Christ –Phil 3: 21

    Jesus Christ was raised from death to eternal spirit life as a member of Elohiym by that ONE SPIRIT.

    You are teaching a trinity and yet deny that is what you are teaching

    All TRUTH comes from the Father through HIS SPIRIT to those HE calls and gives into the care of Jesus Christ.

    You sir are teaching confusion exactly as those you rail against.

  • destinedtoberevealed

    1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

    • Truthseeker


      So — since I do not and never will let Satan speak through my mouth as he does yours I then can not possible discern spiritually ??? Is that your point??

      My Father gives me logic and sound judgment,understanding and wisdom from above — you get senseless noise from your father and confusion.

      • maxwell


        …Don’t bother, all your traditional interpretation, and the accompanying empty ritual, completely occludes, SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT…
        …It will probably take a thousand years, for you to understand.
        …but you are quite a thinker, there, seeker.

  • FAT AXL!!!

    D2B posted the verse:

    2 Thessalonians 2:16

    Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace…

    …and then he wrote:

    “The word and, used here and in many other verses is used to separate Christ from His rightful position of God. Instead of inserting the word and, which is a continuative we must refer to the correct word.”

    Sometimes it only sounds that way, but it does introduce unnecessary confusion. Let’s see if you’re right about this verse.

    Αὐτὸς δὲ ὁ Κύριος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦς Χριστὸς…

    [Even though δὲ comes after Αὐτὸς in the clause, δὲ always comes first in English translation.]

    Word-for-word = Himself moreover (or but) The Lord of us Iesous Christos…

    More comfortably translated would be – Moreover our Lord Jesus Christ himself…

    καὶ ὁ Θεὸς καὶ πατὴρ ἡμῶν

    Note the two uses of καὶ, which in the first case is a simple conjunction (and) and in the second is correctly translated as ‘even’ – so:

    …and The God even Father of us.


    There is another perfectly acceptable way to translate that same verse, where the double usage of καὶ carries the meaning of ‘both’… ‘and’… — so:

    …Moreover our Lord Jesus Christ himself, both The God and Father of us…

    According to the simple rules of Greek Grammar, the second translation is an absolutely acceptable rendering. The only dispute would take place in the arena of theology.

    John 1:1 makes a distinction between The Logos and God, but then eliminates the distinction in the same verse by saying, word-for-word:

    In beginning was The Word and The Word was πρὸς God and GOD WAS THE WORD.

    The Greek πρὸς is generally rendered ‘to’ ‘toward’ or ‘in the presence of’ – but in this case ‘with’ can be a fair rendering as well. So The Word was, from the beginning, ‘to’ or ‘toward’ or ‘in the presence of’ God…


    …God was The Word.

    The Greek New Testament texts, in their entirety, leave very little room for any Trinitarian teaching. But they leave plenty of room for D2B’s interpretation.

    • FAT AXL!!!

      Upon further reflection…

      …the SECOND translation is by far the more natural translation, according to the most simple understanding of the rules of Greek.

      Moreover our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, both The God and Father of us, which hath loved us…

      Any other interpretation would have to be based on exterior influences, such as previous or following verses…

      …or doctrine.

      My conclusion in this case is, D2B is absolutely right about this verse.

      • maxwell

        …TCB…you continue to blow my mind…Thanks.

        • FAT AXL!!!

          I was just as surprised by that verse. I thought I was going to show D2B that he was wrong. Just following the facts, Maximus.

          This could end up being a very serious piece of the puzzle. One God, indeed. This solves ALL of the conundrums about multiple Gods — even with only The Father and The Son.

          “I and The Father are one.”

          “If you have seen Me you have seen The Father.”

          Since posting this last night, I have been looking for Scriptural evidence to disqualify the notion. ALL I find are verses which confirm it. The doctrine of the Trinity is completely decimated by this concept, if it’s accurate.

          And I think it’s accurate.

          • FAT AXL!!!

            I always wondered about this:

            Isaiah 6:9

            For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

            I also wondered how The Son could be called THE KING OF KING and THE LORD OF LORDS if there was a Father over Him to whom those designations should rightly apply.

            We have been SO misled by our translators for all these centuries.

            That’s why I’m a student of New Testament Greek, fellas. So that the translators don’t get to have their way with my mind and with my beliefs in the search for all TRUTH rightly given to mankind.

            Thanks D2B for inducing the discovery of this all-important information. You were just used as a teaching instrument of God right in front of an audience. (Don’t let it go to your head, brother.)

            And all thanks to THE Most High Himself for making it possible.

          • FAT AXL!!!

            (…King of KINGS — obviously…)

          • maxwell

            …TCB… the “revealing” continues….

          • Damien

            I also wondered how The Son could be called THE KING OF KING and THE LORD OF LORDS


            Same reason KING David wasn’t Our Father Who Art In Heaven

          • Damien

            Anymore than Nebuchadnezzar was.

            7 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army.

          • Damien

            Or the annointed one (Messiah) of God Cyrus the Great, King of Kings was

  • Damien

    It is well enough known that whatever else trinitarians are up to in their dank celler minds they never claim to understand the trinity.

    They just ridicule and mock other peoples and troothytits weaknesses … without ever revealing what they themselves actually think.

  • maxwell

    …The whole idea of a ‘trinity’, is only meant as a debasement of Jesus Christ, the living God. An attempt by arrogant MAN, to explain away what is not fully understood. Its always been a matter of contention.
    …It truly IS a matter of FAITH.

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