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False Teachers in the Christian Church – See That You Be Not Deceived

Friday, June 16, 2017 17:37
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The False Teachers In The Christian Church are destroying the True Gospel Message Of Christ

People still operate as if they were under the old law of bondage, by attempting to hold on to the Sabbath and tithing. Many believe that they are saved (by works) after reciting scriptures they don’t understand, that will never enter their hearts. Declaring that god wants to bless us with everything we desire to satisfy the desires of our flesh, is the new gospel presented by the false teachers in the Christian Church, and it sells. Preaching about taking up ones cross and suffering with Christ, has been replaced with a get out of dodge rapture ticket well before any of the bad stuff happens.

The teaching of man is put ahead of the words of Christ and discernment is just not there, as well most confuse the feelings of excitement they get from an entertaining experience with that of the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

The majority of those who wish to become church leaders typically pursue a master’s in religious studies, ministry, divinity, or theology. They typically attend a theological seminary or college where they obtain these degrees. Some even hold doctorates in theology or ministry. After this schooling the individual is then qualified to speak on topics such as hermeneutics, literary criticism, theological anthropology and dispensationalism. People generally speaking are attracted to the wisdom of men and pay special attention to those that have doctorates in ministry. When these men use words such as hermeneutics and the like, the congregation becomes enamored with the supposed spiritual understanding and superior intellect of these leaders.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Man made institutions, governments and bureaucracies are more often than not full of trickery and deceit. Satan, who according to scripture is the god of this world, has infiltrated most of them. Do not think for a second he has not placed false teachers in the Christian Church, and apostates in schools of theology as well. The Christian believer must rely on the Holy Spirit to uncover or reveal Christ’s testimony, as His truth is spiritually discerned.

2 Cor 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

The evidence of the infiltration by the enemy into the church body is two fold. It shows up in the various belief systems that the clergy cling to after graduating from these so-called centers of higher learning. Then these false teachers in the Christian Church pass on these blatant lies to their congregations, that fully embraces both the teacher and the message.

Eph 4:11-14 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

This is a real warning given to the believer, let’s examine some common teachings propagated by these false teachers in the Christian Church, and compare them to the truth in the Word!

Let Those That Rule Well Be Counted Worthy Of Double Honour

1 Tim 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Much time has been invested here in the diligent study of the Word, allowing the spirit to lead, so as to reveal sound biblical truths. Most  false teachers in the Christian Church  would say that the double honor mentioned here is monetary in nature, and payable in part to them. However the true laborer has the reward of living by the very words of the gospel that they preach.

1 Cor 9:13-14 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?  Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

The honor is (to the best of our ability) to live according to the gospel we preach. Those who attempt to preach with worldly knowledge deceive and scatter people, thus preventing them from coming to the truth in Christ. The reward that the false teachers in the Christian Church seek after, is a monetary one, and they have no problem whatsoever in twisting scriptures to facilitate this plunder. The man who is called by God to preach truly loves the Lord and His flock. Living according to the gospel is the honor and reward for this spirit filled laborer of Christ.

1 Cor 12:18-20 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. 

God has set the members which make up the assembly, which are the church and thus the whole body. God does this and not man, and it is the institution of the school of the Holy Spirit where we are taught (properly and in truth) so we can then share these truths with others.

Also in this school none of us receive a doctorate as Christ is our physician; we know in part and are ever learning. Our graduation ceremony is when Christ returns with our diploma, and says well done faithful servant (Math 25:21).

The meaning for the word honor, that is used in double honor in first Timothy 5:17, in no way refers to money (1 Cor 12: 23; 1 Tim 1:17; 1 Peter 1:7). Likewise the reward spoken of in first Timothy 5:18, is not one of a monetary nature either.

Matt 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. 

Matt 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 

Matt 10:7-8 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

We are not to turn the sharing of the gospel message into a business opportunity, and no one should profit from sharing Christ with others.

Because Of The False Teachers In The Christian Church - Christ’s True Gospel Is Hidden From Many

Since the advent of Christ’s new law, several changes were made that are not understood by the false teachers in the Christian Church or their converts.  Large glamorous building are never to be referred to as churches, as this is the title for the body of Christ. The Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands; the true believer that follows Jesus with Faith Hope and Love is where the Holy Spirit now dwells (Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24; 1Cor 3:17; 1Cor 6:19).

Gal 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospelWhich is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

False teachers in the Christian Church  do usually present some truth in their sermons, however the majority of the messages they present will be based upon their own varied interpretations. Many present a message that makes their audience feel comfortable and at ease. This allows them to grow and collect more revenue while the listening audience falls deeper into a spirit of slumber and apathy.

We are not to receive the gospel of men, it can only lead us astray. We should not be impressed with men that exalt themselves before many, as they will be humbled. these enjoy the praises and loved to be called father, rabbi or pastor (Isa 2:11; Mat 23:5-12).

To get an idea of the level of pride that we are dealing with, just go to a bookstore and look up the most popular Christian authors, the entire cover of these books will be dedicated to their name and picture. Some of these  the false teachers in the Christian Church, even produce study bibles with their names on them. People spend far more time listening to men and reading their writings than they do in the word of God.

1 Cor 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

The true man of God filled with the spirit who correctly interprets scripture has certain characteristics that set him apart. The humble servant lifts up the name of Jesus and only preaches because of a burden from the Spirit that burns in his heart. He is compelled to become a part of the battle to set the captives free. He weeps in his Spirit, for the lost and deceived that think they are saved.  Sometimes lies that are told often enough can be perceived as truth; we are at that point in time.

1 Peter 5:2-3 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

A laborer for Christ will never seek his own glory but will rather lift up others. Never will a servant try and take up a position of lordship that is reserved for Jesus alone. As well monetary gains are simply not considered, as rewards through and in Christ are the prizes sought after, that will never perish.

1 Cor 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

So many times we hear these false teachers in the Christian Church recite extravagant prayers that really impress those around them, because of the elegance and grandeur of the words. The crowd is led to believe that these men are full of the spirit, and have God given power and authority.

Matt 6:5-6 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

The doctrine of baptism is a mystery to most, but it is very simple to understand, if you have the spirit of discernment. All believers who are baptized in the Holy Spirit have this gift of discernment. This is discussed in more detail in a teaching entitled Salvation deception.

False Teachers In The Christian Church

John 4:1-2 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,

Jesus Christ did not perform water baptism unto repentance, but rather the baptism of the Holy Spirit unto salvation; he that believes and is baptized by the Holy Spirit shall be saved (Mark 16:16; Gal 3:27; Math 24:13).

John 1:32-34 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which  baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.  And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

If there is one key aspect of the new testimony that Jesus Christ gave us that is essential to understand, it is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. The word tells us that we ask but do not receive, the reason being is that most pray primarily for physical needs and wants. Our ultimate and primary goal should be to pray for the infilling of the Spirit that unlocks the wonderful mysteries of Godliness.

The revelation of who Christ is, and the knowledge to understand His word, only comes through the Spirit of wisdom. This is the only way to a personal relationship, and a committed lasting walk with Him. To know of Him is only the first step; He desires to literally dwell in us. Once this transformation takes place, Christ takes pleasure in us (Rom 8:11; Eph 3:17; Rom 8:6).

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The false teachers in the Christian Church that are in the flesh, regard the things of the flesh. They are in fact blind to the truth and purpose of this life, which is in Christ. As a result of their guidance as it were, those that they teach also have a focus on material things and selfish desires. These people want a god that will accept their self righteousness and…

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  • destinedtoberevealed

    Matt 6:5-6 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

    • CTrent33

      Do you really think god wants you to get inside a closet before you pray? He means don’t showboat. Don’t “pray” in front of people, just so you can look better than what you really are. You have no understanding of Scripture therefore you should not endeavor to teach it.

      The first Catholics got together publicly to worship God, so we still do to this day:

      Acts 2:42 “And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of the bread, and in prayers.”

      Acts 20:7 “And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight.”

      We are suppose to show the Faith to the world and not be ashamed of Christ, nor His Bride the Holy Catholic Church.

  • Truthseeker

    destined

    this is your statement: ” People still operate as if they were under the old law of bondage,’

    YOU SIR are attempting to make the HOLY LAW of God “bondage” — would you like to see dozens of scripture that State the HOLY LAW OF GOD is FREEDOM, is HOLY, IS just, is good ??

    that David a man after God’s own nature (heart) loved the Law and thought about it day and night.

    Would you like to read that during the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ that the Law shall go forth from Jerusalem?

    Shall I quote Christ saying if a person desires eternal life “Keep the Commandments” and then Christ listed # 5 – 10.

    You sir are the false teacher.

    Has Jesus Christ not said those that teach against the Law will be last? Destined to be last!

    Mankind is under bondage to sin,i.e. slaves to sin and sin is the transgression of God’s HOLY LAW, the blood of Jesus Christ paid the debt to release some from that bondage and now those the Father is calling and given His Spirit those are no longer under bondage to sin nor are they “Under” the penalty for sin which is death.

    You will teach against God’s HOLY LAW for a little longer – and then you will not.

    • destinedtoberevealed

      Man made institutions, governments and bureaucracies are more often than not full of trickery and deceit. Satan, who according to scripture is the god of this world, has infiltrated most of them. Do not think for a second he has not placed false teachers in the Christian Church, and apostates in schools of theology as well. The Christian believer must rely on the Holy Spirit to uncover or reveal Christ’s testimony, as His truth is spiritually discerned.

      2 Cor 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

      The evidence of the infiltration by the enemy into the church body is two fold. It shows up in the various belief systems that the clergy cling to after graduating from these so-called centers of higher learning. Then these false teachers in the Christian Church pass on these blatant lies to their congregations, that fully embraces both the teacher and the message.

      Eph 4:11-14 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

      • Truthseeker

        destined

        there are 40,000 varieties of — false — christianity in which you are included destined.

        You teach “new LAW” and then you point to the foundation of the Torah which includes the 10 Commandments as the NEW: love God and love your neighbor.

        destined what does Christ mean when HE said on these two hang all the law.

        From these two foundational principles comes ALL THE LAW — the Torah is founded upon these two precepts thus it is not NEW and they i.e. the foundation of the Torah do not push aside the Torah– the two show the intent, the goal, the purpose of the Torah.

        Here is the order:’

        Love God and love neighbor

        then the 10 commandment gives us the basic ways we are to show love to God (1-4) and show love to man (5-10)

        Next in the Torah the 10 Commandments are broken down into finer detail

        And you call the Torah a “bondage” ?

        God’s Torah teaches man how NOT TO SIN, how to live in peace and unity

        Destined carnal human nature hates God’s Law and will not be subject to it and mankind refuses to let God or Christ rule over them — and that Mr. Destined is the bottom line of your doctrine: “We will not have the man to rule over us.”

        You will teach against God’s HOLY LAW for a little longer – and then you will not.

  • destinedtoberevealed

    Since the advent of Christ’s new law, several changes were made that are not understood by the false teachers in the Christian Church or their converts. Large glamorous building are never to be referred to as churches, as this is the title for the body of Christ. The Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands; the true believer that follows Jesus with Faith Hope and Love is where the Holy Spirit now dwells (Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24; 1Cor 3:17; 1Cor 6:19).

    Gal 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    False teachers in the Christian Church do usually present some truth in their sermons, however the majority of the messages they present will be based upon their own varied interpretations. Many present a message that makes their audience feel comfortable and at ease. This allows them to grow and collect more revenue while the listening audience falls deeper into a spirit of slumber and apathy.

    We are not to receive the gospel of men, it can only lead us astray. We should not be impressed with men that exalt themselves before many, as they will be humbled. these enjoy the praises and loved to be called father, rabbi or pastor (Isa 2:11; Mat 23:5-12).

  • destinedtoberevealed

    John 4:1-2 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,

    Jesus Christ did not perform water baptism unto repentance, but rather the baptism of the Holy Spirit unto salvation; he that believes and is baptized by the Holy Spirit shall be saved (Mark 16:16; Gal 3:27; Math 24:13).

    John 1:32-34 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

    If there is one key aspect of the new testimony that Jesus Christ gave us that is essential to understand, it is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. The word tells us that we ask but do not receive, the reason being is that most pray primarily for physical needs and wants. Our ultimate and primary goal should be to pray for the infilling of the Spirit that unlocks the wonderful mysteries of Godliness.

    The revelation of who Christ is, and the knowledge to understand His word, only comes through the Spirit of wisdom. This is the only way to a personal relationship, and a committed lasting walk with Him. To know of Him is only the first step; He desires to literally dwell in us. Once this transformation takes place, Christ takes pleasure in us (Rom 8:11; Eph 3:17; Rom 8:6).

  • goastdale

    123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
    1Cor 13:3. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and have not LOVE (Agape), it profiteth me nothing…….2Thess 2:10..because they received not THE LOVE (Agape) of the truth, that they might be saved. 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    #1 “ONE” not triune: ……Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..
    JESUS IS GOD AND IS THE FULLFILMENT OF ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS SO IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON LOVE & SIN IS MOOT

    PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE FOR THE ONE GOD TO TALK TO?? Who was Jesus praying to??!?…. The real question should be … How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! (The trinitarian “schizophrenic” “god-head”) The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our/ flesh) benefit not his!?!….. So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF the same “being”! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (they are text book examples of prov 26:12)

    PART 6: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!

    “WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

    JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
    OR
    https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY
    or
    http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920799 THE TRINITY HERESY

    Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”

    The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

    NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)

    TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-2-pgs-91-101-chapter-eight-lets-talk-us-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card

    - Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;

    - A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
    ……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!

    You can download the complete FREE book from
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
    OR
    https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY
    or
    http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920799 THE TRINITY HERESY

    https://www.linkedin.com/today/author/0_0wXAPxHFpV6o3_6erj3ZFe?trk=prof-sm

    #2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
    till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
    they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
    2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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    #3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :

    (1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

    (2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,

    (3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
    will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”

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    • goastdale

      This is also how we know slam dunk that Muhammad was a false teacher…just like most “bible teaching Christians”…….THE SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in that first generation are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8)…….Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. ……. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES….It is a biblical fact according to the bibles own figures that last days are the last 70 years of the number of years between BC596…to AD70 = 666 yrs the period of time outlined once as a MAN and once as a BEAST in Daniel Ch 2 & 7 respectively .as the time the 7 fold (7 seals/trumps vials) curse of the law of Moses was poured out on the physical seed of Israel purified until only a spiritual seed was left…

      Gal 1: 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

      The book of Revelation offers us an interesting Theological dilemma. It states Rev 22:16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Revelation also states it is “the true sayings” of Jesus and that it is “the testimony of Christ”. If this is not “the gospel of Jesus Christ” then what is it and should we consider it accursed testimony of an angel? If it is not to be considered accursed, then it cannot be some other gospel message then what was already given previously. However, this is the conundrum, for if this is the gospel message, then why do so few understand it? There is a possibility which few consider but is the overall thesis of this apology. The reason people don’t understand revelation is because they never understood what the gospel message was in the first place! In that case, where does that put those who claim it is not essential for salvation? Do you not find it quite curious that the most “Personally” given NT book By Jesus himself, is the least understood and given the least importance for Salvation in Christendom?….There are numerous preachers and bible exegetes but as Paul said “… I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge” . Most who profess the name of Christ are feeding on doctrines of devils and the ignorant.. There are, without question, many “qualified” teachers and scholars with many years of “dedication” and “solid education”. However, teachers, no matter how well lettered or numbered in degrees; if obtained from others; who are just as equally ignorant in such matters, are just “ blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”………………

      Revelation the First Gospel of the Kingdom
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      Those looking for a physical return of Christ and your physical body to “leave the dirt” resurrected (1Cor 15:36-37) you are carnal mined & or living in prov 26:12

      DAY OF THE LORD”/ YEAR OF THE LORD – does NOT last for 24 hours!?!..Also means the day of resurrection & judgment do not last for one hour or one day either! They only begin (NOT END) in a certain hour & on a certain 24 hour day ….”SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS to arise”…..NOT..”come & get (your new resurrected body) it while it is still hot, only 24 hours of solar power left”!?!

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/308485609/Day-of-Lord-Not-24-Hours-I-Come-Quickly

      The second coming took place already and Christ promised that only HIS PEOPLE would see him ….John 14:19. Yet a little while, and THE WORLD SEETH ME NO MORE;….. [2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ AFTER THE FLESH, yet NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE….(here the Context of John 14 is his second coming)…..continued…..but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20. AT THAT DAY .. 21. He that hath my commandments, and KEEPETH THEM, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM……(again taking note “as he is” or 1Jn 3:2)

      22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, HOW IS IT THAT THOU WILT MANIFEST THYSELF UNTO US AND NOT UNTO THE WORLD? 23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, HE WILL KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.( Rev 3:20) 24. He that loveth me not.. (1Cor 16:22)…. KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: ( REV 9:16-20)

      REVELATION 1:7. Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, …. There is a parallel here with ………….Exodus 24:10. And THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL : and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also THEY SAW GOD, and did eat and drink………..But Christ said….. John 1:18. NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. A person can see with their understanding and or see with their eyes…. It can see “seen” for certain that everything that Christ described was seen by the folks of that day in His coming but do they perceive that was him? …So what Christ said is true every eye saw him but the world does not see him….. With the eye they and folks still today can see everything Christ described to have taken place, but they do not “keep” ( believe and understand) his words as such they do not see him nor shall they ever.

      The saints who have physical died faithful in the flesh (every man in his own order) are changed in the blink of an eye & caught up to sit on that Great white throne ( this congregation of the saints is the body of Christ that folks will answer to at the judgment and these saints will judge all men who cannot see Christ along with the rest of the world……Folks think they are waiting to see Jesus but they will NEVER see Jesus himself they will only see the body of Christ condemn them the saints judge the world (Rev 3:21; 1 Cor 6:2 et al) the saints are the body of Christ…that is the only part of Christ they shall see….only the saints shall see God face to face…..most peoples idea of the second coming & day of the Lord and the judgment is completely wrong

      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/5455069 Revelation The First Gospel of The Kingdom

      or

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom

      or

      https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM

      978-1-4907-0590-3 (SC ISBN)

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  • destinedtoberevealed

    http://destinedtoberevealed.com/identification-of-a-christian-cult/identification-of-a-christian-cult/

    When those claiming to be Christians, protect a belief system that is not based on the Word of God, this is an identification of a Christian Cult.

    When so-called Christian denominations follow after the teachers of fables, they are involved in a system of religious beliefs and rituals. This is the identification of a Christian Cult (2 Tim 4:3-4).

    There is no profit in this pretend game of playing church that so many succumb to. There is however great profit for the false teachers in the Church, who have convinced their congregation that the reality of Godliness that they present is the truth.

    2 Tim 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables

    The true joy, wisdom and power that comes from a Spirit filled relationship with Jesus is never realized by those who are kept from the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Identification of a Christian Cult

    Many in the church as a result of false teachers, are generally unwilling or unable in most cases to think for themselves. They would rather listen to men that claim a god given right to have authority over them and the gospel. This is an identification of a Christian Cult.

    Declaring that god wants to bless us with everything we desire to satisfy the desires of our flesh is the new gospel presented by the false teachers in the Church, and it is very popular. Preaching about taking up ones cross and suffering with Christ has been replaced with the Pre-tribulation Rapture Deception.

    An identification of a Christian Cult is a Church that declares Tithing is a New Testament Commandment

    There is not a lot to say on this particular topic.

    Tithing was a Law of Moses, and Christians are not under this law.

    Tithing was an Old Testament law, and Christians are under the New Law of Christ.

    There is no command for the New Covenant Church to tithe.

    If your preacher says that you are sinning and robbing God by not tithing, this is not only the identification of a Christian Cult, but of a liar and thief.

    1 Tim 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

    Most false teachers in the Church would say that the double honor mentioned here is monetary in nature, and payable in part to them. However the true laborer has the reward of living by the very words of the gospel that they preach.

    When the church is involved with selling their truth, this is an identification of a Christian Cult. The reward that the false teachers in the Church seek after is a monetary one, and they have no problem whatsoever in twisting scriptures to facilitate this plunder.

    The primary means of this plunder is to convince the unlearned that:

    Tithing is commanded by God, and is payable to them.
    The Sabbath that is an old covenant law is taught to be applicable to new covenant believers.
    Living according to the gospel is the honor and reward for the spirit filled laborer of Christ.

    The meaning for the word honor, that is used in double honor in first Timothy 5:17, in no way refers to money (1 Cor 12: 23; 1 Tim 1:17; 1 Peter 1:7).

    Likewise the reward spoken of in first Timothy 5:18, is not one of a monetary nature either. But the false teachers are business men, and money and fame are their desired goals.

    Matt 10:7-8 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

    We are not to turn the sharing of the gospel message into a business opportunity, and no one should profit from sharing Christ with others.

    Titus 1:10-11 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision. Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

    We are not to acknowledge jewish fables, or the commandments of men, that turn many from the truth (Titus 1:14).

    Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    If Christ’s Spirit does not dwell within you, then you are not of Him, and therefore do not know Him. As well you will not realize that the Christ spoken of in the Bible is the true Word of God.

    Great deception within Christianity is accomplished at the hands of the false teachers in the Christian Church that only regard the things of the flesh. They are blind to the truth and purpose of this life, because they are without the Spirit of Christ.

    2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    The prophecies of the scripture are of no private interpretation. No denomination or individual has control over, or final authority on the correct understanding of what is written in the Word of God. This task is reserved for the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things.

    2 Tim 2:15-16 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    The Christian believer must rely on the Holy Spirit to uncover or reveal Christ’s testimony, as His truth is spiritually discerned.

    Far too many have a false sense of reality and eternal security as a result of the great deception within Christianity, revealed through the deceptive teachings of men that do not have the Spirit of Truth. Deceptive teachings that are accepted as truthful are an identification of a Christian Cult.

    These can not discern whether the Bible is the true Word of God or not. They depend upon charlatans, who are only interested in worldly pursuits, who prevent their followers from growing in the Lord or having a true relationship with Him (Mat 23:5-15).

    2 Cor 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    The false teachers in the Christian church deny the Lord Jesus by reason of their damnable heresies, and bring upon themselves and their blind followers swift destruction (2 Peter 2:1, John 16:7, Luke 6:39).

    Although the Bible is the true Word of God, few truly press into the Word of God (Phl 3:8-14).

    An identification of a Christian Cult is a Church that declares we are still under the Law.

    1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

    Many claim to keep the Ten Commandments, which were part of the old law, but we are no longer under the old law. The false teachers in the Church need to keep people under the bondage of Old Testament, in part to keep the tithes coming in.

    Identification of a Christian Cult

    Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

    To claim to be justified by the old law is actually a separation from Christ, as you are fallen from grace and not led by the spirit of truth (Gal 5:4; Gal 5:18). You will never hear this truth presented by the false teachers in the Church.

    Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

    Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    The Law and the Prophets were until Jesus, who fulfilled all things spoken of Him.

    To claim that you are under the Old Testament Law, when a new law is in effect is nonsensical.

    Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    Righteousness comes through Christ’s victory over sin at the cross, to make the claim of righteousness through the Old Testament Law is sin and deceit.

    Many false teachers in the Church proclaim that we are still under the Old Testament law; this is a primary identification of a Christian Cult.

    An identification of a Christian Cult is the teaching that you are saved, as opposed to you will be Saved.

    The Christian Salvation deception is a destructive and deadly doctrine preached to, and believed by the majority within the religion of Christianity.

    The Hope of our Assurance of Salvation is actually both a tactical and a defensive weapon that we use to endure and conquer. One of the problems with Christianity today is that most have no hope. In fact few even understand the meaning of the word. How can you hope for something you claim to already possess?

    1 Thess 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

    Not only is Salvation impossible to obtain before Christ returns with our Salvation, it is also impossible to be saved without the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. This deadly false teaching is also a primary identification of a Christian Cult.

    The infilling of the believer with the Spirit of God is the down payment (or earnest) that Christ gives to His chosen, that He has purchased with His blood upon the cross.

    2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

    The completion of His contract with us is to be fully realized and received at His second coming. This is when the Christian Assurance of Salvation is revealed, and implemented.

    Luke 21:27-28 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    Christ spoke plainly when He said that unless you believe and are baptized you shall not be saved. He did not say you are saved, but you shall be saved.

    He that believes and is baptized with the Holy Spirit shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned (Mark 16:16, Gal 3:27, Math 24:13).

    John the Baptist proclaimed that there are two Baptisms; one is unto repentance, and the other is unto the Assurance of Salvation through the Holy Spirit.

    All in Christ can have the Assurance of Salvation, but it does require the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Without the Spirit it is impossible to even understand the Word of God. This is why there is so much division in the so-called Christian church today.

    1 Peter 1:7-9 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

    False teachers with self imposed exalted positions within the Christian Church – An identification of a Christian Cult.

    Deceptive teachers convince their followers that the position of authority they hold is God ordained.

    Suggestive words and emotional conditioning through lighting, soft music and or a teary eyed plea, are some of the tactics employed to manipulate people to respond in a certain manner.

    There are many other manipulative techniques used by false teachers in the Christian Church. A primary identification of a Christian Cult is realized through the use of manipulation to gain control of its members.

    • Truthseeker

      destined

      You destined , as all that do not have the Truth, run from clear scripture – you avoid the words of Jesus Christ that are counter to what you teach.

      When the words of Christ call you a liar — you jump to scriptures you can twist .

      How is it when confronted with the clear words you turn to others and — never — even acknowledge the clear?

      Destined, Matthew 19: 17, Is Jesus Christ not teaching to enter into life we must keep the commandments and then does Christ not list 6 of the 10?

      How about Matthew 23: 1 -3, Christ is teaching His disciples to DO the TORAH

      Shall I write a paper and list all scriptures clearly teaching we must live by the HOLY LAW of GOD and ask you to disprove the words of Jesus?

      AS you must –you will never answer whether or not Jesus is teaching the 10 Commandments and the TORAH — you must avoid this encounter with the rich man because it destroys your false doctrines and proves you are lying and Matthew 23 as well.

      You are a false christian teaching lies — and I believe you know it.

      • Firmament Does Exist

        All of “Christianity” is phony as it started in Rome and not the True Faith of YAHUWshua as He taught and lived the Torah.

        • Truthseeker

          firmament

          you and I agree, the only change i would make to your statement; replace the word ‘faith” with WAY.

          Our Savior came to live THAT WAY as our example to follow and so called christianity refuses to do so.

          All they are willing to DO is run their mouths they are not willing to DO what is commanded of them to DO!

    • Paralambano

      Excellent summary of the situation, destinedtoberevealed! You may find this observation interesting: cults use business tactics. Much sought after, in business, is the product exclusive, a situation where people have to come to you for a product, can’t get it just anywhere. Hence, your cults adopt sets of legalisms and false doctrines, proclaim they are the only “true church” or the “chosen few” to capture and keep converts to their religious exclusive, which is, of course, where their power and money come from. (People, in their vanity, love to think they’re above all others, that God only appears within their “church” walls, the same way many love stupid conspiracy theories: it makes people think they’re of some special knowledge, exalted this way.) If you can get people to sign up for a unique set of lies that tickle their ears, make a religion of it, you have that product exclusive. It’s really like some demonic kidnaping of the gullible. Often times the cult leaders are nothing more than con artists in this regard, fleecing the flock.

      So, anybody with some exclusive in religion, that you can be assured deviates from scripture teaching? You have a cult. Chosen few group or denomination? You have a cult. Of course, extra-Biblical revelations of your false prophet)s), writings of the cult leader(s) exalted as scripture are cuts from the same cloth: they all have man and men rewriting parts of the Bible, adding to scripture or taking away from scripture, mixing the lie into the truth, injecting that leaven into the lump.

      Though Catholicism is disputed to be a cult, it is a cult in such fundamental ways as your other usual suspects, what I consider the primordial, big “Christian” cult, though would not claim there aren’t saved Catholics that do have the Spirit of Christ, a Christ-centric faith in a corrupt church body. But there is no doubt the biggest and “best” of these cults that, bottom line, having some man or men and their false doctrines at focus, that purvey a false gospel and religion of the world: they are leading millions into hell.

      The heart of the problem is a lack of repentance, which is typical of that “head faith” religion, a confession the demons also would make, but hearts that have never really repented of their sin, repented of their vanity and evil pursuits of the world, have never come into agreement with holy God as to all the issues. Fallen man mainly wants to hear he can serve two masters, live for their worldly lusts and vanities and God, at the same time: cheap grace, absent repentance, is all the rage, confess, then go sin some more, whatever. It’s the many naming Christ that have, in fact, believed the lie, that still have the creature on the throne in their hearts, not the Creator, and never, yet, the Creator on that throne, as scripture states:

      Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      Of course, in the Romans 1 context, you see in these people the fruits of those who’ve never really repented of their sin, hang on to an “easy believism” where they will have a Savior, but will not have a Lord, bottom line. You see so many of these evil frauds trolling web forums, which are, if nothing else, a most interesting study in fake Christians and what the tares, the devil, is up to. Notice how they’re all about trying to sow doubt, refuting truths and anybody of truth? I find it most pathetic when they try to tell those of the Spirit we’re not saved, have noticed they don’t seem to realize how their venomous Satanism is worn on their sleeves, as if some troll can make an authentic believer “unborn again” or something? It really is pathetic: if they influence anybody, it’s just another blind man, Matthew 15:14. I have never once in my life seen anybody I know to be Spirit-filled turn from truth and to lies, never, only the, clearly, spiritually dead, the fakes, chasing the lies, among people I’ve known a lot about to know who’s who.

      Tell you what, if you find a lot of people agreeing with you places like BIN, instead of being attacked? You’ve got a problem! Likewise, it’s obvious you’ve done well with this posting, destinedtoberevealed, nicely drew the long knives of the tares. Good show!

      Matthew 7

      21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
      22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

      Luke 13

      1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
      2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
      3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
      4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
      5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

      Luke 16

      10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
      11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
      12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
      13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
      14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

      Mattew 5

      3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
      5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
      6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
      7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
      8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
      9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
      10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
      12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

      • Truthseeker

        Paralambano

        For which of the following would you place me in the category of being in a cult?

        Repenting of transgressing the HOLY LAW?
        Being baptized under the water?
        Receiving the Father’s Spirit by the laying on of hands?
        Resting on the Sabbath?
        Keeping God’s Holy Feast days?
        Not eating unclean meats?
        living by the 10 Commandments?
        NOT offering animal sacrifices?
        Offering my life as a living sacrifice to my Father?
        Doing my Father’s will and not my own will?
        Repenting when I fall short?

        These were all done and taught by Jesus Christ and His Apostles, for which of these am I now classified as a member of a cult??

        You seem to be somewhat of an authority regarding God’s Word – what say you??

        • Paralambano

          What do I say about you? I can’t say I’m wrapped-up in you, no offense, but you’re just not the center of the universe to me, as impossible as that may seem.

          Whatever legalism, whatever Jewish weak and beggarly elements have you ensnared the apostle Paul addressed, I have absolutely no problem with, if you keep them to yourself. Where you’re real problem arises is when you try to foist your works related, religion of bondage off on others, especially, quite frankly, so lame how you would have Christians believe that, if they don’t endorse Hebrew roots, Adventist or whatever similar junk you’re peddling, they don’t know the word of God, the word of God that warns of people just like you! Well, your legalistic religion has holes in it you could drive a truck through, by New Testament Christian theology that rebukes you, and so much so that, clearly, no intelligent conversation is to be had, when you’re lost as to the basics of the Christian faith.

          Otherwise, you’ve attacked me before, looking to pick fights, disputing just about anything and everybody, at every turn. You’re a nasty person, which is also very weak and beggarly of somebody claiming to be a Christian, with a temperament befitting a devil. A certain incongruity there? How does that work? In any case, similar to what I’ve told you before, if I wouldn’t want to live in the same town with somebody like you, I don’t know why you think I want to engage in ignorant disputings. What I’ve seen of you, I’m not of your religion, don’t really even know what your angry, private religion is that everybody else on the planet is a so-called Christian in your estimation, don’t read much of any of the noxious stuff, full of error, you post, can’t even imagine you in a congregation of real Christians, spewing the things you do at people: nobody would want to know you.

          Please fine somebody else to troll, maybe somebody else who’s also seeking any sort of attention and easily amused.

          1 Timothy 6

          3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
          4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
          5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

          • Mayhem

            Then stick her in gear and drive that big old truck right on through any hole you like. How bou dah?

            Thing is, Paralambano, all of you say much the same thing and none of you actually come good on the boast.

            And Truthseeker didn’t ask what you thought about him but, what-the-hey, distract yourself however you like.

          • Truthseeker

            paralambano

            my question was not adversarial, it is an honest question and as with all who hate God HOLY LAW you chose to attack me and not answer the question.

            In the many years I have commented on BIN none that believe the LAW is bondage and the LAW is THE curse — ever answer —- none — they all attack me.

            to answer would make them liars or admit the LAW given to Moses on the mountain is HOLY, JUST and GOOD and is included in the New Covenant as our “consideration” today.

            Again I follow Jesus Christ not some corporation, nor the men that control it and do not follow Jesus Christ.

      • destinedtoberevealed

        That was so well said Paralambano

        The trolls who hide under names such as truthseeker and such, are indeed from the enemy.

        Thank you for your wisdom and sincere words I liked everything you said including the following.

        You see so many of these evil frauds trolling web forums, which are, if nothing else, a most interesting study in fake Christians and what the tares, the devil, is up to. Notice how they’re all about trying to sow doubt, refuting truths and anybody of truth? I find it most pathetic when they try to tell those of the Spirit we’re not saved, have noticed they don’t seem to realize how their venomous Satanism is worn on their sleeves, as if some troll can make an authentic believer “unborn again” or something? It really is pathetic: if they influence anybody, it’s just another blind man, Matthew 15:14. I have never once in my life seen anybody I know to be Spirit-filled turn from truth and to lies, never, only the, clearly, spiritually dead, the fakes, chasing the lies, among people I’ve known a lot about to know who’s who.

        Send an e-mail some time?? Yours in Christ John

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Who is Christ John?

          :lol: :lol: :lol:

      • destinedtoberevealed

        Paralambano said_
        Tell you what, if you find a lot of people agreeing with you places like BIN, instead of being attacked? You’ve got a problem! Likewise, it’s obvious you’ve done well with this posting, destinedtoberevealed, nicely drew the long knives of the tares. Good show!

        You are so right, it is truly a lonely experience in the flesh, to operate under the power of the Holy Spirit
        But we are not to seek the praises of men or friendship with the World as it were!!

        Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

        A comfort in the hatred and persecution of the world

        18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
        John 15:16-19 (KJV)

      • destinedtoberevealed

        Jhn 14:3
        And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and (receive G3880 Paralambano) you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

        Paralambano to take to, to take with one’s self, to join to one’s self
        an associate, a companion
        metaph.
        to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be
        not to reject, not to withhold obedience
        to receive something transmitted
        an office to be discharged
        to receive with the mind
        by oral transmission: of the authors from whom the tradition proceeds
        by the narrating to others, by instruction of teachers (used of disciples)

        1Co 15:1
        Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have (received, G3880 Paralambano) and wherein ye stand;

        • Paralambano

          You know, it can seem a lonely experience in the flesh, but it’s not really so. For one thing, the Spirit of the Lord is always with you, His life in you. There’s really no such thing as being alone, when the Lord knows more of us that we would care for Him to know, Hebrews 4:12. Also, I always rejoice, bottom line, and you should, too, when you realize you’ve said something that ruffles the devils’ feathers: if the world likes your Christianity, that’s when it’s time to worry! (And examine your Christianity.) What I’ve seen as my greatest victories in discourse with the wicked were times they were besides themselves, could do nothing but attack the messenger. If it’s truth that’s put the screw in their bellies, rejoice: you’ve done well! The apostles rejoiced in prison, you know. It’s quite affirming when unregenerate people see enough Christ in you to hate, Matthew 5:10-12.

          My goodness! Dissecting my user name? It appears nothing much gets past you. Yes, you have the meaning, have veritably outed my user id. On the other hand, though not a gambler, I’d bet ten to one you will not arrive at what scripture is behind it, why the interest in that word.

          I have a disagreement with most of theological Christendom on some scripture, for many years now, read something in scripture most commentaries do not acknowledge, just understand certain verses a certain way since youth, since first seeing them, this one understanding the commentaries have been unable to change my view of, that could make them wrong, wrong, wrong on some other scripture, or theory of, as well. Since that time, I’m more adamant a correct interpretation of certain verses some good theologians, of conservative dispensational bent, I believe allow dispensationalism to taint their understanding of, that even some pre-KJV translators got right.

          Greg Laurie, a theologian, preacher, among the good ones out there I’ve always trusted, did a sermon I found surprising, pleasantly so, in recent years that expressed my same beliefs on certain scripture, I believed this the first time I’ve heard a major, authentic Christian preacher teach this view, wrapped up in the Greek paralambano. There are also the “odd men out” Christians that see the same thing, that especially your stuffed-in-a-box dispensationalist will dispute. Not that I don’t also believe in dispensations, the major ones, as a learning tool, but some have allowed the thinking to infect their contextual view of scripture, to the point of, in essence, claiming certain teachings don’t belong in a passage, because it crosses some dispensational border they don’t realize only THEY are drawing, not scripture: in other words, it’s like. “My dispensational view of that chapter precludes every word of the teaching being anything but of my dispensational view,” the elephant in the room that every phrase of the word of God cannot be stuffed in dispensational boxes. It’s like saying Christ said thus and such to a bunch of Jews, therefore He wasn’t saying anything to us or even anybody else, a notion of scripture I find plain silly. (The ultra-dispensationalists are off the deep end, of cult status, denying whole passages of scripture having Christian relevance, some of them quite dark, lost and deluded, in a fog of cheapened grace and blood of Christ.) I don’t know what is wrong with some theologians, when the Bible has future prophecy, plopped right in the middle of completely unrelated subject matter in some passages. It’s not like the Bible doesn’t do this. Many truths are much concealed this way, must be mined from the word of God, which I believe He intended.

          So, you tell me what the big enchilada involved in paralambano is, that commentaries would go to war over. Now, were you to do this, that would even be scary! Maybe I should email you sometime, but it’s such a long story, if I really had to ‘splain it to you.

          Otherise, all I gots to say is that, if it’s BIN, just praise the Lord and keep pissing them off!

          • destinedtoberevealed

            Just googled the word Paralambano, then found it in scripture and I like the word and the usage in various passages

            2Th 3:6
            Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received G3880 of us.

            Col 2:6
            As ye have G3880 therefore received G3880 Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

            Gal 1:12
            For I neither received G3880 it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

            There is nothing special about me, it is all about Christ Jesus. Amen!!!

            1- I submitted and realized my own wisdom was futile at best

            2- I let the Lord teach me and,well, there is no looking back!!

            Only problem is, (and it really is but a temporal situation) as far as the lonely part goes, is that what has been revealed to me is far beyond (obviously as it is from the Holy Spirit) what carnal pretend christians can even grasp.

            It is similar to having several doctorates whilst trying to communicate to someone in preschool LOL

            Here is the verse you were referring to

            Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, G3880 let him be accursed.

            The charlatans who preach and believe in gospels of hell will invite damnation!!!! So very very sad and unfortunate.

          • Paralambano

            Something you may find encouraging, though. Don’t be so sad: Satan also wants to try and drag you down, in spirit, and this is unnecessary. Doctrines of demons are flying around like debris in a hurricane these days, mainly because tares have web platforms, but the true child of God is not fooled. Never despair of all the lies! It’s like there’s just evil in this world, until He comes to right things. The blind are only leading other blind into the ditch. You don’t need to counter every lie, lest some fragile child of God is led into the maw of hell. This doesn’t happen, the tares deluded they have that or any such power, at all. The twice born are not plucked from the Lord’s hand. As mentioned, nobody of the Spirit is exchanging truth for lies: I have never, ever seen this, not one time in my life, among any I know of the Spirit. The proof of this is in clear scripture, a simple statement of the Lord, of those of the Spirit:

            John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

            It’s the Holy Spirit, the power of God, in charge of training eyes and ears, and He leads into all truth. So, those falling for the lies have already rejected the truth, or they wouldn’t fall for them, for long, not for another second, when you show them scripture contrary to the lies. We don’t need to defend the Holy Spirit from Satan, help the Holy Spirit do His job of leading into truth, beyond presenting gospel truth, don’t need to be charging windmills built by tares. The unregenerate simply need to be saved: you give them the gospel, they accept or reject, and that’s pretty much all she wrote, 1 Corinthians 2:14. The leading into truth part, and keeping in truth? Above our pay grade and not our problem. Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60. It’s like you give somebody a Bible: they use it, or let it gather dust. When you think about it, Satan doesn’t agree with God? So what else is new? Bears do what they do in the woods, not anything you can do about that, is there?

            Just share your truth, find joy in that truth, let the Lord deal with the rest. If somebody loves and believes the lie, this is between them and God, when all is said and done. If you’ve led the horse to water, you’ve done your part. Fin. Simply joy in the Lord, water off the proverbial duck’s back, what all of it should be.

  • Truthseeker

    destined,

    When Jesus Christ comes back and tells you to rest on the 7th Day Sabbath, are you going to tell Him about His New laws in which there is no Sabbath OR WILL YOU OBEY YOUR MASTER?

    You and I know you will do the former, you, as 99.9% of so called christians, refuse to allow Jesus Christ to rule over them.

    destined

    How to you account for this prophecy of Jesus Christ??

    17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    The woman i.e. the body of Christ will not be keeping your so call new commandments of Christ but the Old Commandments “of GOD”!

    and do you even know what the testimony of Christ IS??

    Testimony is given in a trial – a person testifies as to the crimes of another — the testimony of Jesus Christ is all men are sinners and worthy of the death penalty.

    And sin is the transgression of the LAW, the 10 Commandments are the testimony of Jesus Christ against mankind.

    You will not answer as it is impossible for you to deal directly with scripture that shine the light of truth on your lies.

    • Truthseeker

      destined

      Can you imagine the frustration of the pharisee, when Christ spoke even though they were masters of the Torah they could not counter the Truth Christ Spoke — and neither can you and by now your frustrations must be sky high.

      You will answer to Jesus Christ for all you teach

  • Truthseeker

    Destined here is your opportunity to prove once and for all times — you are a master of God’s Word and teach the TRUTH.

    Jesus Christ in Matthew 5 explains THE LAW IS NOT ABOLISHED, — NOT– destroyed and must be obeyed even to day.

    Using Christ own words found “IN” Matthew 5 how can it possibly be demonstrated Christ was stating the Law is a harsh curse, is bondage and will and must be abolished?

    If any can do so it is you destined. BUT you know better then to even try.

    In the Book of Matthew Jesus Christ is very very clear concerning THE HOLY LAW.

    Matthew 5

    17 Think — NOT — that I am come to destroy the law , or the Prophets: I am NOT come to destroy, but to fulfil. (fulfil, # 4137, make full)
    I am not come to destroy but to —— “fill” the LAW to – the full! Not abolish it but fill it up to the full.

    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (#1069 come into being)

    Christ is stating not even one iota of the Law ‘can be removed’ until heaven and earth has pass away – and unless or until that event happens –nothing will change the LAW — thus The Law and the Prophets ARE in full force and effect.

    then Christ goes even further:

    19 “Whosoever therefore — shall break — “one’ — of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

    but whosoever — shall “”DO”"” — and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “

    How can a person “break” even; ONE commandment if Christ abolished them all??? and why destined is Christ explaining the difference between those that teach the law and those that do not.

    Why does Jesus Christ state those that DO and TEACH God’s HOLY LAW shall be called Great —–if Christ was going to abolish them at His death??

    Destined What is the POINT OF THE ABOVE STATEMENT BY JESUS CHRIST??

    Upon reading these 3 verses most “Christians” still cry out –as will you destined

    “Christ nailed the Law to His cross and we are no longer “under” that “cursed” Law! “

    And by that statement Christians call Jesus Christ — a liar- and continue to teach men that the “”burdensome, harsh and evil Law”” is abolished and thus they become the “least”. Commandment # 7 is so so harsh!

    Chapter 8

    12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this — is — The law and the Prophets.

    The term “The Law” in this statement refers to the Torah, the 5 Books of Moses. Jesus Christ states “the Law and the Prophets” teach — we are to do unto others as we want them to do to us.

    Many “Christian” folks today claim Christ taught “the new Law of Christ” which they claim is — The law of love – BUT – according to Jesus Christ that “new Law” — IS — the Old LAW —– The TORAH.

    Christ taught only from “The LAW and the Prophets”. “The Law i.e. Torah and the Prophets” WAS, – IS – and will always — BE THE WORD OF GOD — that Word we must live by . There were NO New Testament writings at that time.

    Chapter 12

    12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is ‘lawful” to do well on the Sabbath days?

    “Is it lawful according to the Torah to DO good deeds on the SABBATH’? How else could it be determined what is “lawful” to do on the Sabbath day; Roman law? Only the Torah teaches the LAW concerning the SABBATH.

    IF the Torah was to be done away at Christ’s death and the Sabbath is found and taught through out the Torah — why then did Christ continue to teach His disciples how to lawfully KEEP the Sabbath according to the Torah if the LAW i.e. the Torah was soon to be abolished?

    Destined Please let us all know why Christ bothered to instruct His disciples regarding the Sabbath and why HE used the Torah to do so???

    Destined we both know you can not respond to the above — your hands are tied by YOUR DOCTRINES

    • Truthseeker

      destined

      these questions above from the Book of Matthew –and all the others you have been asked before — you never address.

      Fellow; all you must do is show why what the scripture say is not what it says!

      Matthew 12: 12 address the scriptures if you can.

      12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is ‘lawful” to do well on the Sabbath days?

      The question Christ asked the pharisees “Does the Torah teach it is OK to do good deeds on a Sabbath day?

      By asking this question is not Christ confirming the Sabbath day is a HOLY DAY in God’s eyes and is He not asking if it is lawful according to the Torah to do good on the Sabbath?

      What say you Mr destined?

      Please do not bother to quote 25 assorted scriptures — just tell us what you think is going on here.

  • destinedtoberevealed

    There are Many False Teachers In The Church

    Our greatest desires should be to receive the Comforter that enables us to understand Christ’s testimony of truth, as we seek first the kingdom of God (James 4:3-4; Math 6:33).

    John 16:13-14 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Man is not the author of truth nor can he by himself fully understand truth. It is the Holy Spirit that shows us the truth, when we have submitted to the Lord and are in a position to receive it. If we think we have the truth by or in ourselves, we through pride have already prevented the Spirit from abiding in us. This is exactly what the false teachers in the Church are counting on.

    1 Cor 2:13-14 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Unfortunately too many people readily accept any thing that these false teachers in the Church have to say. Unless the Holy Spirit has called them to be teachers they should not be in this important position, and the obvious deception that they teach proves they are frauds.

    1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

    Many claim to keep the Ten Commandments, which were part of the old law, but we are no longer under the old law. The false teachers in the Church need to keep people under the bondage of Old Testament, in part to keep the tithes coming in.

    To claim to be justified by the old law is actually a separation from Christ, as you are fallen from grace and not led by the spirit of truth (Gal 5:4; Gal 5:18). You will never hear this truth presented by the false teachers in the Church.

    Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law [be] heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

    Many false teachers in the Church, proclaim that we are still under the Old Testament law, and falsely teach that Salvation is accomplished through a formula of words to be recited. Christ never spoke of keeping the Sabbath. We are under no obligation to keep or observe this as a day of rest; we are however to keep every day holy as unto the Lord.

    • Mayhem

      Round and round, weeeeeeee, the wheels on the bus go round and round.

      No one is claiming justification through Torah observance, destined, and you’ve been told this countless times so why do you continue with this beggarly assertion?

  • destinedtoberevealed

    2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    As the above verses point out to us, no one individual or group has control over, or final authority on the correct understanding of what is written in these books that make up the Holy Bible. This task is reserved for the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things. And yet many people hold up these false teachers in the Church to a god like level, convinced that they alone are empowered with the truth and understanding of scripture.

    False teachers in the church are self-righteous masters of deception.

    There are many manipulative techniques used by false teachers in the Church that enable them to be in control; few question their position of power or authority, as they are led to believe that it is God ordained.

    False teachers in the Church use suggestive words and emotional conditioning through lighting, soft music and or a teary eyed plea. These are some of the tactics employed to manipulate people to respond in a certain manner.

    False teachers in the Church deceive by omission, this is when they leave out some of the truth, to present their truth. This is also known as propaganda.

    False teachers in the Church are masters at seduction. They use their voice, stance, confidence and image to grab the attention of a crowd and keep it. With almost a magical charm they can allure or captivate the audience with a hypnotic like manipulation of the truth.

    False teachers in the Church make claims that the ministry is in trouble, and without immediate financial contributions many will suffer. People do not like to see or hear of sufferings, and if they are made to feel responsible, it is usually fairly easy to get them to cooperate.

    False teachers in the Church like to be seen as having the role of being God’s ordained teachers, or prophets. Once they have obtained this cult like status, people no longer even think for themselves. As well they sometimes violently protect the belief system and the leader(s) that they unwittingly worship.

    With the tactics above employed it is easy for false teachers in the Church to masquerade using a disguising pretense, and thus cloak or hide a self-serving agenda, under the pretext of operating as the servant or spokesperson of God.

    Eph 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    Spiritually speaking, we are to put our trust in no man. Only Christ can be totally trusted, and He alone has the power to redeem us.

    These verses in Ephesians are a condensed version of the Christian journey unto salvation. We hear the message of truth revealed to us in the gospel that shows the path unto Salvation. Then once we trust and believe the Word we are sealed by means of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    This infilling of the Spirit is a down payment on the purchased possession wherein Jesus bought us through His shed blood. The inheritance is when we are redeemed, and join Christ for all of eternity.

    Many hear of the word by means of a teacher or preacher, however to stay under a teacher never graduating so to speak, is not what is expected of us. Hearing the messenger, if he is truly sent by God, is only the first part in ones walk. The next step is to be taught of the Holy Spirit, and then receive the power to know the truth for yourself and partake in the ministry.

    Matt 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

    To be effective in the ministry, pride ego and self-centered or self-righteous behaviors should not be at all present. Christ reveals His truth to all that ask in faith and love, but we must be humble and submit to His commandments.

    When one truly believes on Christ Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit through a real faith, it is natural to obey and follow the Word and be faithful even unto death. Christ said to take care that you be not deceived by men. Most of the deception is at the hands of the false teachers in the Church (Math 24:4).

    Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

    We are all to bear the cross with our eyes set on Jesus, thus fulfilling the mission of becoming part of the church. The average person thinks that the Christian experience involves the following:

    Spending an hour a week at a building that is incorrectly refereed to as a church.
    Giving money, incorrectly referred to as tithes, to 501c3 corporations posing as the church.
    Repeating verses that they are led to recite under the illusion that doing so will ensure their immediate salvation.
    These actions have nothing to do with bearing the cross of Christ; they prove a complete lack of the Spiritual understanding and depth required to follow Christ.

    Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

  • destinedtoberevealed

    How many who claim to be Christians can identify with the scripture below???

    Mathew Ch 5

    3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
    5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
    6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
    7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
    8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
    9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
    10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
    12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

    • Truthseeker

      destined

      what you list above are the teaching of the Son of God, Jesus the Christ — who — observes all I listed above that I observe — and these teachings of Jesus Christ you listed are from the Torah i.e. THE WORD OF GOD.

      That same Torah you hate and demand God replace with a new law you can obey how ever you want.

      3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: Ps. 34:18
      4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Isa 57: 18
      5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Ps. 37:11
      6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Ps. 37:11
      7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Ps. 41:1
      8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Ps. 24: 4

      Destined you can not win in your fight against Almighty God and HIS LAW, The Torah convicts you of sin and you hate that fact.

      If you accuse me of writing lies and I quote Jesus Christ confirming what I write are you not calling Jesus Christ a liar as well?

      Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

      Destined Christ offered HIMSELF without spot i.e without sin and what is SIN —Sin is the transgression of THE LAW.

      Destined if Christ obeyed the Law i.e. was without spot, was He not also serving the Living God by “dead works”???

      It is evident you have no clue wast dead works are.

      You do not know the WORD of GOD and you hold yourself out as a teacher of the Word???

      • Paralambano

        Whatever the religion is you claim, you might try getting some simple, basic information straight? The Torah is only the first five books of the Old Testament. So, you’re not even referencing the Torah, at all, and, hey, YOU hold yourself out as a teacher of the word of God? We are talking about getting the title of the book straight here, with the likes of Psalms: do you see the real problem?

        This is so very peculiar. You’re claiming some form of Judeo-Christian faith, so hot on referring to the Torah, and you don’t know what the Torah is? Something most all Christians even know? Very strange.

        (Work on that act a little? Wink wink… If I were you, I’d just go for broke and change my name to Disputeseeker.)

        • Truthseeker

          paralambano

          it is no excuse but I am trying to do this on the quick — I have a house full of grand kids.
          I do not usually make mistakes that obvious but I do make mistakes.

          • BEEF SUPREME

            A fair recognition of error.

            Now then — I take the time to read these exchanges, for the most part. Paralambano? I see invective mostly coming from you. I don’t see any coming from Truthseeker. So invective, rather hypocritical invective (I might add) coupled with accusation coupled with a refusal to engage on any meaningful level — because you don’t like Truthseeker.

            It’s all exactly like Mayhem said, friend — we’ve seen it all before, over and over, many times. But most folks get to the point in far fewer words.

            Tell me then, is your behavior toward a fellow believer in Christ according to the Word? Truthseeker stands or falls to his own Master. And Truthseeker is the one who is consistently misrepresented by folks like you and Destined with this tiresome charge of works-based salvation — a message I’ve not seen Truthseeker bring even once in almost a decade now.

        • destinedtoberevealed

          Paralambano you nailed it I would stop wasting your time with this crack pot
          There are many vile deceivers in our midst

          • Truthseeker

            destined all you must do to make this crack pot go away is demonstrate by logic, common sense and fact the scriptures brought to your attention do not say what they certainly appear to say:

            Destined in Matthew was Jesus Christ teaching HIS disciples to obey the Torah or not — a simple yes or no—

            and if you say no then simply explain what Christ was teaching and how you determined what He was teaching.

            1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

            2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

            3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and DO; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

            4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

            If you follow your normal pattern you will not answer and I feel you will not answer do to the fact this teaching by Christ shows your “new Law” in not true and your doctrines are false.

            When I find I may have an incorrect belief, I study until I can prove by the WORD what is True and what is not, I accept what is true and reject what is not.

            For you to continue in your doctrines you must ignore much of God’s Word, that mr destined is very very sad and main stream christianity joins you in ignoring much of the WORD.

            It still hard to understand how following that WAY of Jesus Christ is vile and deceptive to you.

            I do what Christ did, I live by the same law and keep the same days and to you that is evil??

          • BEEF SUPREME

            “There are many vile deceivers in our midst…”

            THIS

            …is a flagrant violation of the Word.

            Believers in Christ already have an Accuser.

          • CTrent33

            Destined, Is Paralambano your second name?

      • Truthseeker

        paralambano

        you are correct, I used the wrong term, I should have used the term Old Testament but even so the point is what Christ taught came from His Father and is not NEW doctrine. you friend destined has abolished God’s HOLY Law and calls the two precepts found in the Torah “NEW LAW” that is false.

        Paralambano, Judeo christian religion ?? I follow ‘THAT WAY’ NOT A RELIGION. I hate religion to my enter-most being. and I follow Jesus Christ who never observed the first day of the week as a holy time and observed Passover and never easter.

        Paralambano I have put this teaching of Christ before destined many times and He never responds maybe you will.

        1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

        2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

        3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

        4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

        Is not Jesus Christ teaching His disciples to obey the Torah??

  • destinedtoberevealed

    Message for Paralambano

    Just googled the word Paralambano, then found it in scripture and I like the word and the usage in various passages

    2Th 3:6
    Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received G3880 of us.

    Col 2:6
    As ye have G3880 therefore received G3880 Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

    Gal 1:12
    For I neither received G3880 it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    There is nothing special about me, it is all about Christ Jesus. Amen!!!

    1- I submitted and realized my own wisdom was futile at best

    2- I let the Lord teach me and,well, there is no looking back!!

    Only problem is, (and it really is but a temporal situation) as far as the lonely part goes, is that what has been revealed to me is far beyond (obviously as it is from the Holy Spirit) what carnal pretend christians can even grasp.

    It is similar to having several doctorates whilst trying to communicate to someone in preschool LOL

    Here is the verse you were referring to

    Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, G3880 let him be accursed.

    The charlatans who preach and believe in gospels of hell will invite damnation!!!! So very very sad and unfortunate.

    • Truthseeker

      destined

      If this ‘spirit” has given you several doctorates I would think it would be not be difficult to answer my question.

      Destined, Paul was taught personally by Jesus Christ — you have been taught by some spirit that causes you to speak you know not what —- I pass!

      What you teach is not at all what Christ or His apostles taught – yours is NEW DOCTRINE coming from that ‘spirit’ that causes you to utter you know not what.

      there are many spirits loose in this world and many are not GOD’s

      a family member I no longer associate with also speaks in tongues and lips appeared on the wall and told her she was special and from that moment on she knew ever scripture in the Bible and could quote word for word,

      destined, Isaiah 8: 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to — this word, — it is because there is no light in them.

      Your spirit is speaking against the Law and the Testimony.

      • Truthseeker

        Destined

        I should have added that word “Law” in Isaiah 8: 20 is Torah

        Strong’s Concordance
        torah: direction, instruction, law
        Original Word: תּוֹרָה
        Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
        Transliteration: torah
        Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw’)
        Short Definition: law

    • Paralambano

      Destinedtoberevealed, you mentioned emailing you, which I thought to do, over paralambano. Certain discussions I don’t believe appropriate for such public web forums, where basic gospel truths are disputed. Deeper truths are always going to be roughly trampled on. But I noticed, looking for your email via your website, that we don’t share important details in our eschatological views for some conversations to make sense. As mentioned, what some of us have discovered as truth regarding that word, that is solid scriptural support for, you’ll find most all commentaries a different interpretation: it can lead to a hornet’s nest of dispute where, for instance, belief or not in certain doctrines make discussing some issues impossible for people, and I don’t agree with everything on your web page, share a different eschatological view. In the Wild West of the web, people can’t seem to amicably agree to disagree, moving discussions into rancor, which I try to avoid, discussing things with another Christian, change the subject, whatever it takes: rancor and certain types of disputing are sinful and evil. But most importantly, my personal choice is to refute or rebuke lies here and there, present truth, but do not like or believe it appropriate, personally, to drag theology through that tare pig pen, rather see theological discussions as growth vehicles for like-minded people. To me, all the disputings make less than no sense in this regard. I would be content if many people simply said, “Well, I don’t believe the Bible,” just leave it at that. This is the bottom line, whether it’s for ignorance or maliciousness, in any event the conversations fruitless, especially with malicious tares, who are trolling to invoke disputes and refute the things of God.

      You mention preschoolers: that’s exactly what it’s like, arguing with preschoolers. But neither is that adult. In the learning process, you get ignorant children to sit down, shutup, listen and learn, if you’re a teacher, isn’t that so? And in the case of those fakes, without the Holy Spirit, what do you think you’re going to accomplish? There is one and only one issue with such people, that they humbly repent before God, put their faith in Jesus Christ, alone, and get saved. What’s the point discussing the subtleties of a painting with a blind man? What would you hope to accomplish? See what I mean? Tell you what is accomplished, truth trampled all over the place by these people and a waste of time to discuss anything with them. Personally, I find them just painfully boring, like trying to have a conversation with some flat earther, in denial of all things round. What’s the point? Have it their way, leave me out of it, this my sentiments on all that stuff. Somebody rejects truth, somebody is being Satanic, whatever the case, you dust your feet off and move on: you don’t park on their doorstep and argue with them all day. I just have no interest in that, would rather pursue something fruitful, get quickly bored this way, nor well suffer any liar.

      I doubt we’d have much common ground on some the deeper issues, most unlikely regarding nuances of paralambano in scripture, but your fundamental theology in this article is very good, especially liking how you point out the all-important role of the Spirit, the new birth, what I’d hope to contribute is how the log jam with your false Christian is that lack of genuine repentance. Repentance is a hugely important word! Ironically, I’ve found many who think themselves Christian who don’t know what repentance is, think it’s saying they’re sorry. No! That is only an element of what repentance really is, repentance seeing the disgusting nature of sin and evil, the HOLY Spirit’s conviction of sin, the holiness of God, turning from self will and evil 180 degrees and seeking God, coming into agreement with God on all issues, even those you don’t understand, because Jesus Christ is your Lord, your Master, and you trust Him, even when you don’t understand: again, agreement with God, first, on all issues, active turning away from evil, seeking God first, a change of mind as to the attractiveness of evil and the ways of the world, which includes genuine sorrow over our sin guilt and being such fools before Holy God, and not simply lip service to being sorry, some fleeting pangs of guilt, with no real change of heart, rather a radical change of heart, in our deepest consciousness. This more amounts to an earthquake in the truly repentant, the truly repentant that aren’t fooling around with religion, one foot in hell with the world, still, the truly repentant that get saved and baptized in the Spirit, the called that are chosen by the Lord. That’s repentance. But lack of repentance is the huge stumbling stone that creates the head faith and religious “Christian” which has never been born again, and the reason is so simple: God isn’t going to save anybody who disagrees with Him on the most fundamental issues, who still has ego on the throne, who still loves the world, the things of Satan, who isn’t really dead serious about sin guilt, etc. How silly would that be? Sanctify unrepentant devils? I like to call it somebody who’ll take a big helping of Savior, but skip on the Lord part. As you also point out, there are congregations, out the wazoo, with that carnal gospel of the here and now: you don’t see a focus on things eternal with the unrepentant, the religious fakes, either. It’s all about here and now, getting those blessings you can eat, we won’t even talk about sin and hell, the apocalypse. Shoot! Let’s just rip whole chapters from the Bible! (We don’t understand all that, anyway.) Some of the most pious, it’s an hour on Sunday, squirming in a pew, then done with God for the next week. You hit on some important points, important truths, Destinedtoberevealed.

      Anyway, maybe forget paralambano for now? It involves scripture many true men of God don’t all agree on, one of those matters where I hope to, in eternity, tell some people I won’t say, “I told you so.”

      The Lord keep you and yours. Just that weird Greek word guy.

  • destinedtoberevealed

    Gal 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    • BEEF SUPREME

      Sola Scriptura…

      Tota Scriptura

      Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        Now is that the Apostle Paul saying he serves the Law of God?

        Or is someone here preaching some other gospel…

        ???

        SOLA Scriptura — that means we believe Scripture alone.

        TOTA Scriptura — that means we believe ALL of Scripture.

        So if Paul has written that we are no longer under the Law, but under grace…

        …and if he has written elsewhere that he serves the Law of God…

        …then he cannot mean that because we are not under the law that we are no more beholden to serve the Law.

        The curse of the Law cannot touch us if we are under the grace of Jesus Christ — but if you turn your back on the Law which Christ gave, then you are not continuing in the Word and you are not doing the things He as asked us to do.

        Where is the fault with this message?

        • Truthseeker

          Beef

          Destined, and I would assume Paralambano as well as he defends Destined, believes the Law its self – IS — the curse.

          Destined has written to the effect having to obey the Law is — bondage.

          Destined has refused to understand that all are under bondage to sin and as we are all sinners all have come “UNDER” the penalty of death for our sins.

          As I am sure you know destined preaches Christ had to come remove the old and give us new law that is not a curse and he uses the two Great commandments found in the Torah, love God and love man.

          I have confronted destined with dozens of scriptures — he ignores them all and now after reading his comment to Paralambano above he makes it clear, a spirit is giving him these doctrines. Probably the same spirit that speaks through his mouth.

          Destined’s doctrine is replacement theology.

          When I first questioned him he responded to the effect “go away little fly you annoy me”

          I post comments on most of his papers hoping to open the eyes of those that may be taken in by his false doctrines.

          • BEEF SUPREME

            I’m well aware, TS.

            I’m also perfectly well-schooled in Paralambano’s tactic of pretending conversation or debate pertinent to this issue is beneath him because he pretends that anyone who disagrees with him on the topic is a mental child. D2s tactic is to bury the other side of the dialogue in Scripture verses, almost all of which have nothing to do with his adopted stance. Either that, or he outright ignores any challenges to his beliefs. Then the two of them flee the field of discourse with their chins in the air feeling well-exalted and far superior to all deluded and duped simpletons daring enough to voice any dissenting views.

            As I’ve said before many times — we’ve seen it all before. Tactics and anti-Christian hubris. Nothing more. But this they all have in common: Not a man among them is willing to debate the issue. And they all have their excuses for why that is. The truth of the matter, however, isn’t all that difficult to figure out.

            So be it.

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