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#MH370 Search Area Is Wrong. Here Is Why. #Diegogarcia Math Never Lies

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For a satellite to establish a position of an object on earth, it sends a signal down to the object, and when it sends the signal back, it measures the time it took, and then it can give a ring location like they are using in the search for MH370. For an exact position, they need this info from three satelllites to establish where the three rings meet. This is how GPS works.

So, once again, the satellite must send a signal down to receiver, and that receiver must ping back, and then the time is measured. 

In flight MH370, the plane only uploaded to satellite, so the satellite could have only known that plane was within range of satellite, and not a position within that range.

Below, I have made a diagram of where the search area should be given the known criteria.

Red circle equals range of plane, black circle equals range of satellite. The search area should be within range of aircraft that is within range of satellite. This narrows the search down considerably, and it’s nowhere near the current search area. This is logic, this is truth.

Edit to add: I hold a Master Electricians license, and I have installed many devices that communicate with satellite, including using satellite surveying equipment. I have a limited understanding of how satellite locating technology works, but the basic laws must be obeyed, even in electronic communication. To establish distance, a signal must be transmitted and then received back, then d/t (distance/time) can be calculated. What bothers me, is all the sat experts who are not raising the red flag. Are they all against truth??

 



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    • MLK321

      You are attempting to define the GPS navigational parameters. The satellite that is used, doesn’t have that capability. They can only determine the area based on the range of the satellite and the time the aircraft spent in contact.

      Remember, the satellite MAY not stay in one position during all that time. We (you and I) do not know that.

      • stompk

        They’ve given us the position of the satellite when it received the last ACARS upload attempt.
        Not only did the satellite receive 7 of these ACARS uploads within it’s range, but the fact that there were 7 uploads suggests the plane landed, as according to the international ACARS parameters set by SITA.

        Setting the ARC of the search with only uploaded data (unless data had long/lat position in which case the ARC would be a mute point) is not only irresponsible, but a complete fabrication, set to pull the wool over the unsuspecting eyes. That plane is at Diego Garcia, and I’d bet my house on it.

    • Anonymous

      This is not how GPS works. There is no ‘ping back’. The satellites know their position in the sky, and ‘time-stamp’ their transmissions using very accurate rubidium clocks. The receiver then computes it’s position based on these clock values and the known position of the satellites. I happen to work in this industry and write code to test this system.

      I have a simple RC-controlled airplane that knows its position within about 5 meters using GPS. The notion that a 777 aircraft was not tracked by a ground station is ludicrous.

      • stompk

        Why do you think it’s necessary to have a precise clock? A signal sent to earth and back at the speed of light needs a very precise clock to measure the difference in time. It’s the same way radar works, but radar is analog, and satellite communication is digital.

        • SDCAUSA

          StompK, a GPS satellite is bask salt and atomic clock which just broadcasts he exact time it has inboard. the GPS receiver receives multiple satellite signals and triangulated it’s position based on the differential of times revived from the GPS satellites it can receive from. By definition a GPS satellite is a very precise clock.

    • Theodorizer

      Some news story talked about handshakes when it refered to the engine telemetry uploads to the satellite. That could be interpreted to mean a satellite modem connection to a normal satellite phone service. Besides I simply can’t think that they would have dedicated satellites for the live telemetry collection, because so many satellites would be needed for that purpose, and it would be massive waste of money. Satellite phone service satellites are one of the most low flying satelites, because the uplink range is a serious issue. They don’t need a dish at the client end for communication, whereas communication to geostationary satellites would need a dish, even if the communication would be uplink only.

      An airplane can send data only to those low flying satellites, and if they are in shared use, what is probably the only economically practical alternative, they cannot communicate anything unless they make a communication channel reservation, i.e. a handshake, what is essentially two-way communication. Further, it is fair to assume that such satellite communication technology has a basic distance calculation integrated to it, so that if emergency calls fail to pinpoint the geographical position, at least the distance will be known. Round-trip time for a ping-pingback can be used for that of course.

      What is probably the most practical and economically viable solution, is that the engine telemetry is sent along the other internet traffic that the modern planes are capable to service. They have a live data connection to a satellite phone service that doesn’t need handshake with a satellite for each and every http connection. This alternative is perhaps not though used, because the engine telemetry may be deemed to be so important data that it cannot rely on funtioning of the consumer internet service, and such service may not be on every plane.

      To sum it up, the announced distance to satellite should be a definite measure, not an upper limit of reach for the satellite. It cannot be very accurate though, because the electronic processing of the handshake or a pingback adds an unknown portion to the round-trip time of a ping, and that happens even if the ping and its response were time-stamped. The distance data has been naturally saved to the satellite’s communication log.

    • SDCAUSA

      The Inmarsat data was not an attempt to triangulate the precise location of the plane as in the GPS case. It was used merely to narrow down the potential flight paths. They took a look at the 7 pings they received and analyzed it using the math involved in a Doppler frequency shift. In short, if something is coming towards you, every successive ping would take a little less time to make the round trip. If it’s going away from you, it would take a little longer. To verify this effect they looked at data from 1000s of previous flights which also included GPS data do they had highly accurate info on both the Doppler effect and the precise location. They were able to run profiles on this previous flight data and then take the data they received from MH370 and compare it to those profiles to see which ones the MH370 data fit the best. By doing so they can infer estimates about the boundaries of the MH370 flight path. From huge Doppler shift information they were able to rule out the northern path altogether, the Doppler differences clearly showed it wasn’t heading that direction, it was the opposite. To enable them to say whether it went east or west, they knew exactly which satellite track received/sent all the engine data pings. If it was on a sustained east or west flight path, the pings would not have all been received within the one track. Since all if the engines pings were, over about 7 hours, they know the width if the east/west band it was contained within. What they were left with was data that showed a southerly flight track and was tightly correlated to data received from many previous flights along that path. The final answer as it relates to this discussion is that if the plane had gone much further west to Diego Garcia, the Ping data would have been collected by satellites on another orbit because that sector is covered by a different group of satellites The same with a much more easterly path. After crunching all if this data, the only conclusion is that the plane went south.

      The last question thst conspiracy theorists have is why Inmarsat won’t release the data from the flight. The easiest answer is that the ping data just from MH370 cannot answer the question, they’d need to release data from 100s or even 1000s of flights to enable someone to replicate the math. They may not even be able to do so because of privacy laws and exclusivity contracts that they have with the airlines. They may also have legitimate competitive concerns about sharing the data. To the conspiracy theorists this seems like a lack if transparency but in the business world it is completely understandable. While there may be some smart scientist people out the that may be able to increase the accuracy of the calculation a few tenths of a percentage point using slightly different formulas or more precise computers, no amount of double checking of the data is going to be able to show that it went significantly further west or east because the data clearly never came from those tracks. That’s the easiest thing for them to determine from all if this. IF MH 370 went FAR west like it would need to do to get to Diego Garcia, the data would have been collected by a completely different set if satellites. IT WASN’T. That is a discrete fact. The northern track is ruled out too since it doesn’t match at all with all the flight data they have historically for flights going north.

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