Key Observations of Miracles
By David E. Thompson
There are a couple of key observations we want to make about the type of sickness used to make us a better Christ-like minister to others (II Cor. 1:5-6). (When we experience a sickness, we are able to empathize and minister to others in a very personal way.)
Observation #1—Other people should hold their tongues in assuming the sickness is because of some sin in a person’s life. In the book of Job, three of his “friends” kept telling Job they knew there was some hidden sin in his life and that was the reason for his sickness. God held those guys accountable and would not even accept their worship until they made things right with Job (Job 42:7-9).
In our list of reasons for sickness here there are ten possibilities. So the chances of the sickness being due to a sin issue are one in ten. Unless you are in a truly good position to say for sure which of the ten it is, it is best to keep one’s mouth and opinions to oneself.
Observation #2—The anointing with oil by the Elders in James 5 is in the context of confessing sin (James 5:14, 15, 16). If a judgment has been given by God for a sin issue and the recipient of the judgment senses this, that one may call the Elders of a church to anoint with oil and confess the sin and God will lift the judgment.
Most of the time, people, who are anointed with oil, aren’t sick due to a sin/judgment issue and they totally neglect this context. It is not the Elders who contact the sick person, it is the sick person under judgment who contacts the Elders and apparently this person has some specific sin notion as to what this is all about. When the Elders arrive and the sin is confessed and the Elders anoint with oil, healing will be the result.
What are the Grace Age miracles we are able to see today?
God does not want His people groping in the dark to try and discover some miracle. He wants them seen and known in every dispensation. We may recall that there are two ways God may perform a miracle directly or indirectly. If He performs a miracle by Himself, it is a direct miracle.
If He uses an individual to perform the miracle, it is an indirect miracle. In this Grace Age, God does not work indirectly through a human to perform some sign and wonder miracle; however, He does do some miraculous things directly and He permits His people to see it and share it. If one of the purposes of a miracle is to glorify God, the God glorifying believer must know exactly what to look for in seeing the miraculous at this present time in the Church Age, because when the believer sees it, he or she may give glory to God.
Church Age Direct Miracle #1—The miracle of soul salvation. When a sinner believes on Jesus Christ as Savior, the actual logistics of this are so stupendous and miraculous that there is so much “joy in heaven” (Luke 15:7) that the angels rejoice (Luke 15:10). Angels view this moment as a miracle of God.
If we remember the necessary ingredients for a miracle, we may see just how amazing it is to see a sinner come to faith in Jesus Christ. We may recall the five ingredients are:
1) A being with enough power to perform the miracle.
2) An object on which the miracle may be performed.
3) Normal, natural laws of the way that object works.
4) Reliable eyewitnesses to verify the miracle.
5) Specific purpose of the miracle.
When it comes to salvation, only God is capable of performing this miracle. A person is born dead in sin and is blinded by Satan. The human being apart from God is called the natural man. A natural man does what is natural for a sinful man to do. When it comes to God, not one natural man in and of himself will ever seek God (Romans 3:11).
The natural man has no capacity whatsoever to accept or understand things that truly relate to God (I Corinthians 2:14). In order for a natural man or woman to come to faith in Jesus Christ, God must perform a miracle. He must supernaturally overrule the normal and natural and bring that sinner to faith in His Son. There are multiple thousands who have had this miracle wrought in them.
Every single believer in Jesus Christ is a miracle.
The reason God performs this miracle is so that these people may demonstrate His glory all over the world. In this Grace Age, God in His grace is miraculously saving sinners. We could call this the miracle of saving grace. Don’t overlook your own life or the life of someone else God has saved. As Ada Habershon said, “God’s people are His miracles, His signs, and wonders to the world around” (The Study of Miracles, p. 248).
Church Age Direct Miracle #2—The miracle of life transformation.
In I Corinthians 6:2, the apostle Paul appeals to believers in the Church to make righteous decisions in view of the fact that the “saints will judge the world.” The actual period of time in which this will happen is the Millennium, in which believers share in the righteous reign of Jesus Christ. During the millennium, Jesus will change the nature of all kinds of things such as the animal world. For example lions, wolves, lambs and serpents will all get along as one big happy family.
Israel, which is a barren desert type of place now, will blossom as a fruit producing rose. Humans will live long lives, in fact if one were to die at 100 he would be considered a youth (Isaiah 65:20). Paul’s point in I Corinthians is that present day Church Age believers should reflect a transformed millennial character in their present decisions, knowing they will judge the world. Just as the world in the Millennium will stand amazed at the transformed world, so now the world in the Church Age should stand amazed at the transformed life.
As we are transformed by the renewing of our minds on the Word of God, we become a living example of a transformational miracle for the world to see (Romans 12:2). When we see someone believes on Jesus Christ, that is a miracle. When we see someone transformed to become more Christ-like, that is another miracle.
Church Age Direct Miracle #3—The miracle of written revelation.
When you pick up a Bible in the Church Age, you are actually holding in your hands a miracle. Ada Habershon said – “The Bible is an ever-present everlasting miracle …” (The Study of Miracles, p. 227). There have been many books written in history, but only one is God’s inspired word (II Timothy 3:16). The Church Age of Grace is the only dispensation that has had the privilege of having the entire written Word of God in existence.
Holy men were selected by God to write inspired Scripture (II Peter 1:20-21). Although we cover this subject in depth in Bibliology, the truth is the Bible is a supernatural book in which the Holy Spirit worked through different personalities and literary styles to see that every single word written was in fact the Word of the Living God. Its power may be seen in its various metaphors:
1) The Bible is like a seed that can save us (I Peter 1:23).
2) The Bible is like milk that can nourish us (I Peter 2:2).
3) The Bible is like meat that can satisfy and strengthen us (Hebrews 5:14).
4) The Bible is like water that can wash us (Psalm 119:9; Ephesians 5:25-26).
5) The Bible is like fire that can cleanse us (Jeremiah 23:29).
6) The Bible is like a hammer that can shatter us (Jeremiah 23:29).
7) The Bible is like a sword that can cut us (Hebrews 4:13).
8) The Bible is like a guard that can protect us (Psalm 119:11).
9) The Bible is like a mirror that can truly reflect us (James 1:23-25).
10) The Bible is like a lamp that can light us (Psalm 119:105).
11) The Bible is like a counselor that can comfort us (Romans 15:4).
12) The Bible is like a forecaster that can inform us (II Peter 1:19). Dr. Norman Geisler said, “The Bible is the only known book in the world that both claims to be and proves to be the Word of God” (Systematic Theology, Vol. 1, p. 561).
Church Age Direct Miracle #4—The miracle of answered communication.
Answered prayer is a miracle. In fact, it is interesting to track the link between “signs and wonders” miracles and prayer. Moses, Joshua, Elijah and Elisha were men of miraculous power, but they were also men of prayer.
For example, in the days of the miraculous Egyptian plagues we read that “Moses cried to the LORD … and the LORD did according to the word of Moses …” (Exodus 8:12-13). When Joshua was involved with the miracle of the sun standing still we read, “Then Joshua spoke to the LORD … the LORD listened to the voice of a man” (Joshua 10:12, 14).
Elijah was such a powerful man of prayer that James uses him as an example of this very point (James 5:17-18). In II Kings 6, we have three of Elisha’s prayers in one chapter (II Kings 6:17, 18, 20). When Hezekiah was told he was going to die, he prayed (II Chronicles 32:24). Clearly prayer was connected to miracles.
As we move into the Grace Age, Jesus, Himself, spent a great deal of time in prayer and He spoke of a new dimension of prayer—prayer in His name (John 14:13-14). Jesus said anything you ask which is consistent with His name and which is prayed in His name will be answered. This is a miraculous new level of communication that was being opened for those who would believe in Him (John 14:12).
As we track prayer and miracles in the apostolic era, again we see the connection. When Dorcas was raised from the dead, Peter had kneeled down and prayed (Acts 9:40). When Publius was healed, Paul prayed (Acts 28:8). One of the great miraculous wonders that you will ever see in this Age is the wonder of God moving and answering your prayers. It is a remarkable miracle. The sad reality is many believers will never see or experience this miracle simply because they do not spend time in prayer.
As James said, “You do not have because you do not ask” (James 4:2). So many are willing to run to this crusade or that meeting, looking for something powerful, when they ought to be having private time in prayer. The thought that a human can move an infinite God to answer an individual prayer is staggering. It is one of the great miracles of our dispensation and you do not want to miss it, but this may be missed.
This is why God is careful to give Grace Age believers certain prerequisites they must meet if they want to see the miracle of answered prayer. The more one meets the prerequisites, the more one will move God.
(Prerequisite #1) – A believer must be willing to obey the Scripture (John 15:7; I John 3:22).
(Prerequisite #2) – A believer must be willing to examine his motives” (James 4:3).
(Prerequisite #3) – A believer must be willing to examine his relationships” (Mark 11:25).
(Prerequisite #4) – A believer must be willing to deal with his sin (I John 1:6, 9; Psalm 66:18).
(Prerequisite #5) – A believer must be willing to judge his Phariseeism (Matthew 6:5-8; Luke 18:9-14).
(Prerequisite #6) – A believer must be willing to examine his marriage (I Peter 3:1-7).
(Prerequisite #7) – A believer must be willing to examine his or her faith (James 1:5-7; Mark 11:20-24).
Any believer who is willing to meet these prerequisites is one who will experience the miracle of answered prayer.
Church Age Direct Miracle #5—The miracle of Sovereign direction.
As I said previously ,Romans 8:28 is an amazing verse of Divine sovereignty in a person’s life. The miraculous is truly seen in this one verse. If you love God and have been called by God, the statement is that everything in your life is directly orchestrated by God and put into your world for your good to conform you to Jesus Christ.
Think about that.
Everything that will happen to you this hour, this day, this month, this year is miraculously controlled by the Sovereign God of the universe and has been specifically geared to develop you
That is a miracle of amazing proportions
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Pastor David E. Thompson is pastor/teacher at Texas Corners Bible Church in Kalamazoo, Michigan with a nationally syndicated radio show reaching all across the United States. Pastor Thompson may be classified as a true systematic Bible expositor and communicator of God’s Word. He carefully expounds books of the Bible in a way that is contextually, exegetically, grammatically, historically, and theologically accurate to the text and relevant to the time. He is also an very skilled in New Testament Greek.
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what do you make of this miracle of healing? It was medically verified.
https://sidroth.org/television/tv-archives/delores-winder-tv-show-1-2/
https://sidroth.org/television/tv-archives/delores-winder-tv-show-2-2/
Perhaps you need to deal with some of the “phariseeism” of your own heart, Mr. Rolls?
do you have this level of miracles operating in your ministry? Or do you just stand back and critique the work of others?
I can’t find any independent verification, jknbt, are you trying to pull the wool or can you head me in the right direction to fact check what amounts to horse droppings so far?
1) the doctor diagnosed her problem.
2) the doctor provided a devastating therapy from which there is no recovery.
3) the woman recovered due to a healing miracle.
4) the healing was medically impossible. No doctor or hospital can do what happened. This does not occur in nature. There is no “spontaneous remission” that regrows the large nerves radiating out of the spinal cord.
5) the same doctor who diagnosed and treated her also pronounced her recovery, although no confirmation was needed. She was able to walk and function for the first time in 20 years.
how much more proof do you need?
you must be of the James Randi school of evaluating miracles. Randi sets the standards so high that God himself can’t meet them. This is bigoted, closed-minded, and unreasonable.
So nope, no wool or horse droppings here. You will not be able to accept this until you ask that God send the prevenient grace needed to accept the touch of truth here and the conviction that goes with it. Ask for the grace you need to handle this.
Prevenient grace, eh?
Now, I know you’re not a Catholic. So that makes you an Arminian.
Am I right?
labels are a little confining…I am Trinity belief independent pentacostal…raised methodist, but came out of Babylon a long time ago….yes, most pentacostal churches are in the anglican/methodist/arminian family of churches…
now that I have put myself out there, how about you? what is your faith category or denomination? you contribute a lot of blogs, it would be interesting to know where you come from…so how about it?
jknbt
you speak in tongues — why?
Jesus Christ never spoke in tongues or taught His disciples to do so.
And of the Apostles, Paul is the only one talking about human languages, and Paul is very difficult to understand as per Peter.
what is your justification for doing so?
until I was called by God, I never belonged to any of the 40,000 varieties of christianity, I never wanted to have a thing to do with any of them ever.
And that will never change.
“…labels are a little confining…”
I couldn’t agree more. Just trying to get an accurate idea of where you’re coming from.
“I … came out of Babylon a long time ago…”
Careful with that one. She bites. For example, Trinitarianism is a vestige of Babylonianism. Traditions are sticky things.
“…what is your faith category or denomination? you contribute a lot of blogs, it would be interesting to know where you come from…so how about it?”
I was raised nominally Catholic. I began to study politics and philosophy some years ago and learned that my two favorite and most respected modern-era political philosophers were both Bible-believing Christians. That inspired me to purchase a Bible (NASB) and start reading. After quickly rejecting Catholicism, I ended up in the Hebrew Roots movement. But I truly enjoy studying, so that didn’t last very long. It became apparent to me that most of the English translations of the Bible were problematic, so I embarked on a study of the ancient languages. New Testament Greek is most interesting to me and I have found it to be the most fruitful – more so than Hebrew, which I have all but abandoned in favor of the Greek. I am utterly convinced that the New Testament was originally written in Koine Greek – not in Hebrew or Aramaic. The Apostles and Disciples all wrote to us in Greek and the New Testament Autographs were all written in Greek because that was the world language of the time period. All of Judea and Samaria spoke Greek in the days of New Testament authorship (as a first or second language) owing to the ruling power in that region, namely the Roman Empire.
I believe the Word of God should be studied intently. I believe there are a few key doctrines which haunt modern-day Christianity and do not appear in the original New Testament – among these are the doctrine of the Trinity, which in no way was included in the original texts but was added late in corruption (Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7, for example). Furthermore, the Holy Spirit is not referred to as ‘HE’ (αυτός) in Greek but rather as ‘IT’ (αυτό).
I believe in one God and in His Son Jesus Christ. I believe that The Son was, in the beginning, with God and was, as to His very nature, God. I do not believe the Holy Spirit is God. I believe the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and performs the functions and duties of God’s will as God commands.
I observe the Seventh Day Sabbath by ceasing work and resting. I do this on Saturday, but our modern calendar does not coincide with God’s true calendar of Scripture, which we have lost as a penalty for our rebellion. Therefore, Saturday is not the actual Seventh Day save for one year in seven. In English translations of the Bible which show the apostles meeting on the first day, the Greek term *mia ton Sabbaton* is consistently mis-translated as ‘the first day of the week.’ This error is continually perpetrated in the name of defending Sunday worship. Christian churches defend Sunday worship by insisting that Christ was resurrected on the first day of the week. But Christ was not resurrected on the First Day. He was resurrected on the Eighth Day. This distinction is of paramount importance and is utterly lost (or ignored) in translation.
I believe, as Truthseeker does, that the Law of God abides. Christ came to free us from the debt we owed for our congenital inability to obey that Law. We who are in Christ are free from the curse of the Law and from the penalty for breaking that Law. We are not under the Law but under grace. But this does not mean we are not beholden to observe the age-abiding statutes and ordinances God has instituted for our guidance and for our instruction. All men are condemned in ADAM. Only in Christ do we find The Way out of condemnation, back to God and away from the impending sentence of God’s wrath upon the world and all who have lived in it.
I believe the Scriptures to be the inerrant and inspired Word of God. I believe the evidence shows that a small number of errors have crept into the Scriptures over the millennia, but that those errors (such as Trinitarianism) are correctable with diligent study.
Also, jknbt, I would be happy to answer any other questions you might have about my beliefs or my history in the faith.
thanks, Beef, for putting yourself out there….this helps me to understand more fully your frequent comments…
Truth-Avoider, speaking in tongues is the gateway experience to the Holy Ghost spirit-filled supernatural….it is the initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit. It is the beginning point of experiencing the wonders of heaven’s grace in all its fullness.
Those who speak in tongues are in good company: Paul, Peter, all the apostles, Jesus’ mother, and the 120 on the day of pentecost, and then the multitudes of saints through the ages since then…
jknbt
I would suggest you restudy Acts 2 they DID NOT speak in unknown tongues but they spoke the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God in a dozen or more KNOWN human languages,
Those Jews from all the surrounding nations heard the Good News spoken in the language of their native nation.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, — we do hear them speak in our tongues —the wonderful works of God.
Never in the New or Old did someone OF GOD speak in an unknown gibberish no one can understand even the speaker. Do you even know what you are saying? How do you know Satan is not cursing God by your own mouth if you do not know what you are saying?
How did you get “baptized in the spirit?? and how do you know that spirit is God’s Spirit?
I received the Spirit of our Father by the Laying on of hands.
But Simon, having seen that by the laying on of the hands of the apostles
the Holy Spirit was given, offered them money, …
hey Truth Avoider: while I take a look at Acts 2 again, how about you review these scriptures:
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels (1 Corinthians 13:1).
For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries (1 Corinthians 14:2).
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful (1 Corinthians 14:14).
sorry, bud, but you missed it…sometimes only God and the angels know with their mind what is being said…Even Paul didn’t know what was being said sometimes.
I am aware of numerous examples where people spoke in tongues, and the person sitting two pews back knew exactly what was said, while the regular english only people in the church did not have a clue…the language may have been an obscure dialect of a small indian village in central mexico, but it happens. The healing evangelist Frances Hunter spoke in tongues in Russian. She found this out during a mission trip to Russia after Gorbachev relaxed the rules about foreign missionaries coming into the country. This does not happen every Sunday, but it happens frequently enough to support the faith position that real communication is going on with God and not ecstatic gibberish being babbled out.
jknbt
I will respond later this afternoon — too much work out side to do
I already told you Truth Avoider that I will not be baited into your debates…you know where I stand, & you know the scripture well enough to reject it…there is no purpose in my debating you other than to focus and clarify my understanding of the scripture, so go ahead an rant back…You asked a fair question, I gave you a fair answer, you of course rejected it, and now want to spend hours debating an issue that has been well discussed for over 100 years now…
nope, don’t have the time, I need to mow my yard this afternoon also…
figure it out for yourself, since you are not interested in my opinions, only your own
Would James Randi have expected a simple X-Ray to show the miraculously healed pseudo arthrosis fracture? That’s the sort of evidence, jknbt, that would put any doubts to rest.
It’s just as likely Delores Winder’s so called miracle resulted from a pinch point being alleviated which, in turn, allowed trapped nerves to resume sending signals up and down the spinal cord. Was there any evidence the nerves were severed that would require regrowth?
Oh and the charlatans who took up the JREF million dollar challenge accepted, in writing, the test conditions before the trial proceeded and only after they failed did they claim the odds were stacked against them.
James Randi required participants to demonstrate their abilities beyond random chance based upon sound statistical principles. Like, for example, flipping a coin is 50/50 so you gotta call it right at least eight times for it to be significant and to be able to repeat the experiment because it’s not beyond the realm of possibly that someone could fluke it ten times in a row.
I’m thinking you give folk far too much credit not to game the system. Oh wait apparently you’re Wesleyan, or used to be, so of course you give folk too much credit. Prevenience versus Monergism, hmm, salvation by grace plus nature versus salvation by grace alone. It’s the “plus nature” part that allows the Arminian to boast their credit.
I do not know Delores Winder personally. I am not a medical practitioner, but the descriptions of what happened are plain enough even for this layman to understand. The video describes cauterizing the large nerves radiating out of the spinal cord. This is an irreversible injury. The big nerves do not self-heal as do the peripheral nerves. Once a large nerve is cut, it just withers away.
So if you are bothered by this, contact Winder’s doctor directly. I am sure that he did before and after x-rays as part of the before and after examinations.
The main evidence is in the change before and after. She was bedfast, dying, with no function in the large nerves coming out of her spinal cord in the back, since they were destroyed by cauterization. The woman had severed nerves with no possibility of ever walking again. After the healing, she walked, and was able to return to a normal life. The doctor confirmed that this was medically impossible. This level of change once again is obvious even to non-medical lay people.
I wish there was some Protestant review committee of doctors, medical specialists, and other medical experts to evaluate something like this. The Catholics have this at their Lourdes shrine, and locally a bishop is expected to investigate a healing claim like this thoroughly before they admit publicly to a healing. The criteria they use require:
1. A formal diagnosis by a qualified medical practitioner
2. A healing event (healers, angels, saints, visions, dreams, or something that happens that causes healing)
3. Healing that is “stand-alone” which does not combine drugs or other therapies with the healing, which means no radiation, chemo, antibiotics, etc.
4. Healing of a condition that is medically impossible and that cannot and does not occur naturally
5. Confirmation of the healing using sound medical procedures and tests, preferably to be made by the doctor who made the original diagnosis
6. And confirmed obvious long-term results. The Catholics will not declare one of their people healed of cancer unless they are cancer-free for at least 5 years, 10 years in some cases. Winder has been healed for quite some time without relapse.
All of these characteristics are here. Take another look at the videos.
And don’t abuse me about my religion. My comment was that the unregenerate spirit cannot receive the things of God, even a testimony of a healing like this. For you to accept this, you will have to have that special touch of grace that comes first before anyone can have anything to do with God. Ask for it in prayer, and you will be surprised how much more open you are to the truth.
The comment about Randi is that it is possible to erect such “Everest high” standards of evaluation of something like this, that there is always an excuse to reject the realities of what actually happened. I am a reasonable skeptic. Randi is an unsatisfiable skeptic. No amount of evidence or proof of spiritual things like this will ever convince him. It is unreasonable to have such strict standards that you render yourself unconvincible.
And P.S., the raging discussion is “Synergism vs Monergism”, not “Prevenience vs Monergism”. This is the basic difference between Arminian theology vs Reform theology. There are a thousand web pages out there on the argument if you care to research further.
At the end of the day i can find no evidence supporting Delores Winder’s claim to a miracle healing. Perhaps it’s written in tongues and i need the special wu-wu to discern it. Without such evidence her claims can be treated with the same amount of skepticism as are those of Hellen G. White or the Fatima sisters.
James Randi set well reasoned limits that precluded the possibility of random chance not standards as high as Everest. In most cases he was prepared to accept an 80% success rate which is way lower, by the way, than the biblical standard.
As for the doctrine of “prevenient” grace lets see how you do with speaking in tongues and the trinity before we wrangle over a subject very few have even heard about especially considering the Bible does not outright state it in an open and clear manner.
sounds like Randi has trained you well….
I wonder how non-faith people like you are going to explain away the second coming? you will probably say the aliens have landed or something. we’ll see…
jknbt
for the past 50 years if the majority turned to the left I turned to the right.
You are free in this age to turn to the left but the time is coming when Jesus Christ will not allow any one to turn away from that very narrow path
20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, — but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:
21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, — This is the way, walk ye in it,— when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
When Christ rules with the ROD of IRON all will be on that very tiny narrow path none will turn to the left or right for long.
Isaiah is explaining what the 1000 year reign of Christ will be like.
Does God heal today??
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him
My wife, children and myself have been following the above since 1969 and also what Paul did. Paul sent cloths he had prayed over and anointed with oil and when those sick anointed themselves they were healed.
11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
There is not space in this comment to list how many times we have been healed and some times it is instance, before we even finish praying. I am not talking about colds or sniffles!
I am 77 my wife is 76 and we go to the doctors about once ever 10 to 20 years and never for an illness and take zero prescriptions.
A grandson was healed two days ago when I used an anointed cloth, laid hands on his head and prayed.
God is the same to day and tomorrow and forever!
Heretics can not anoint, nor heal, anything. Paul in that quote is referring to Priests of the Catholic Church and Extreme Unction. “elders of the church” Exactly what church are you in? A church is united by doctrine. The doctrine you hold is different from the doctrine of your “Christian” neighbor. There is only one doctrine, One Church.
Correction, St. James not St. Paul.
ctrent
My son was 1 1/2 years old, he was in my wife’s arms screaming, the doctor had just told my wife he needed both ears to be operated on. My wife was not a follower of Jesus Christ at the time.
I called an elder to request an anointed cloth and before I could even ask for the cloth my son stopped crying and told my wife he was hungry — and that was the end of that.
Trent trust me I never called a catholic priest, never have and never will and my son was healed in a second
Trent who healed my son? and the healing has never stopped to this day.
Trent I am a follower of Jesus Christ and I believe by all that has transpired over the last 50 year I am a member of the Body of Christ.
God’s Ecclesia IS the Father’s Church The Church of GOD the Father.
Trent Again, on pain of death I will have nothing to do ever with Rome and the “universal” catholic church.
You can make your statements until the cows come home — does not make what you say true.
My Father and His Son have healed my family for 50 years — what has the pope done for you?
God honors faith. Healing happen out of the boundaries of the Catholic Church. Deal with it.
hey Trent, pls review my comment above on what criteria a local bishop must use before he can formally declare a healing in his ministry or diocese….
Is this what the Catholic church requires? If not, pls inform & correct…
thx
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
This was not a function of the speaker, rather the hearer. I have no idea why people do not understand this? Just read the book as it is written, that should suffice.
stargon
When Peter spoke he was heard in the hearer language, that does not mean Peter spoke the same message 16 times in 16 different languages but 16 different folks heard what he said in their own language — as he spoke — you are correct.
123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
(simply because you “confess” it does not mean you actually are, the devil has deceived many of his own children to believe they are Christians 2Tim 3:5)
#1 “ONE” not triune: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!
“WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
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Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”
The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)
……Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..
JESUS IS GOD AND IS THE FULLFILMENT OF ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS SO IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON SIN IS MOOT
TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4
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- Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;
- A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!
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#2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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#3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :
(1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
(2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,
(3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
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goat you must love redundancy, me I hate it as does Jesus Christ and His Father.
But hey like they say ” what ever floats your boat”,
I would imagine the feed back on your piece replicated a 1000 times is a staggering – zero
Your brand of confusion is offensive but we all know you do not care as you think every time you post it you get brownie points. NOPE zero
jknbt even if you will not read I will give my response to you comment.
“””Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels (1 Corinthians 13:1).””
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
This is Paul’s complete statement.
The word “though” is “ean” #1437 and means — “IF” – If you will read all three sentences you will see Paul is teaching the importance of Love.
Paul is not stating “although I DO Speak in tongues” —- but “IF” I did — and have not love — speaking in tongues is nothing. It’s like a tinkling cymbal – just a noise!
Here are the many translations of that word translated “though”
NASB Translation
case (1), everyone (1), except* (1), if (222), if* (2), or* (1), though (2), unless* (34), whatever* (22), when (2), whenever* (2), wherever* (8), whether* (1), whoever* (17), whomever* (2).
2 And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Paul is not at all stating that HE speaks in unknown languages – I know you want him to say that but he — is not
“””””For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries (1 Corinthians 14:2).””””
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy.
Paul states we should desire spiritual gifts but having the gift of prophecy is preferred above others.
2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
‘Unknown’ is added and the word “tongue’ means “a language”
Paul is not talking here about non human languages but a human language many do not understands – when a Greek speaks to those that only understand Hebrew or Latin –no man understands — but the Greek speaker is teaching in mysteries to those that do not understand and remember “spirit” also means wind thus this can be rendered “however into the wind he speaks mysteries.
Jknbt Understand an important point: all translations of the Word of God are translations done by men and men have doctrine they favor so when they translate they chose the definition favoring their doctrine.
The KJV is a translation by priests of the Church of England and this church broke off from the pope and Rome thus the Church of England is basically catholic in doctrine. And I will state for the record, as I have before, the Catholic Church is the church of Satan and all their doctrines are from pagan religions.
And all the churches that have come out of her are also of Satan. Rome is and was the center of paganism. All who espouse her doctrines are following Satan.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
One that prophesieth or teaches speaks to men to teach them; to comfort and encourage them and for that to be accomplished it must be in a language they understand.
4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue (language #1100 ) edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Again unknown has been added by the pagan translators.
Verse 4 should be clear, if no one under stand you; you do are not edifying the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Paul says it would be nice if you all spoke languages but it is better (of greater importance) to be able to teach, but now if someone know say Latin and can interpret for a Latin speaker so the church understand what is being taught, then great.
“”””For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful (1 Corinthians 14:14).”””
If I pray in a foreign language I am praying to God but my prayer is unfruitful to others that do not comprehend.
“””sorry, bud, but you missed it…sometimes only God and the angels know with their mind what is being said…Even Paul didn’t know what was being said sometimes.”””
Sorry but Paul is hard to understand and has caused many to stumble – Paul is easy to twist just like you have done.
16 He speaks about these things in all his letters in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.
Is Peter speaking to you?
“”””I am aware of numerous examples where people spoke in tongues, and the person sitting two pews back knew exactly what was said, while the regular english only people in the church did not have a clue”””
Satan is the great deceiver is he not? And speaking in a non human language can not come from God who hates confusion and love ORDER.
‘”the language may have been an obscure dialect of a small indian village in central mexico, but it happens. The healing evangelist Frances Hunter spoke in tongues in Russian. She found this out during a mission trip to Russia after Gorbachev relaxed the rules about foreign missionaries coming into the country. This does not happen every Sunday, but it happens frequently enough to support the faith position that real communication is going on with God and not ecstatic gibberish being babbled out.”
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God works through men not women, it is the 12 male Apostles there are no female apostles, I do not care if this women could call fire down from heaven or turn soap in to gold I will have nothing to do with her or any like her. Speaking in nonsense is just that nonsense—no great thing,
Satan can cause a pig to speak in gibberish.
Another problem you and I have – you seem to accept all of the 40,000 varieties of Christian churches as part of the body of Christ — I do not.
Sunday is not HOLY only the Sabbath was made Holy on that 7th day of creation.
Christ was never resurrected on the first day of the week but on the Day HE is LORD of.
Easter is pagan and was taken by Rome from paganism – Jesus Christ is our PASSOVER not our easter.
Jknbt I know what I write will never change your mind as it is not up to me to open your mind, our Father is the one that calls a person to become a member of the body of Christ – no one else.
jknbt I forgot to add; in Acts 2 the apostles were speaking in their own language and the folks all heard what Peter was saying in Hebrew or what ever he language he spoke in, in their own language — peter was not even speaking in foreign languages, in tongues, but what he spoke was heard “as’ a foreign language to the hearer.
If Peter spoke Hebrew the hearers heard what Peter said in Hebrew — in their own language — it is was the hearers that heard different languages.
So what you are doing is not even close to what occurred in Acts 2.
BIN should provide more response buttons. They need to put up a big fat “BS” button. It would get well used. In your case, a button marked “WC” would be more appropriate. This stands for “Whoopee Cushion”, and makes a loud, long, nasty, greasy, wet fart sound when pushed. That’s what should sound off whenever you make your unscriptural replies like the last two you put up, based on your long career of devotion to the gods of bigoted nonsense. That would be fair: an obnoxious fart sound reply every time you put up one of your obnoxious replies.
As I said, I don’t have time for debate. You don’t respect me or my opinions anyway, so why bother.
Here is what I want you to do: when you finally breathe your last, ask your angels to request on your behalf that you be granted a full life review and full belief system review with the King. Go through the tunnel of light, and politely request and audience with King Jesus. Then proceed to inform him of all your doctrinal abominations. Go ahead, blast away. He wants to hear what you have to say. And then let him straighten you out. I hope you will respect him and his opinions.
Following the doctrines of Jesus Christ are doctrinal abominations??? Living as did Christ is an abomination???
the KING wants you to stand before him for your life review. Be sure and detail how you are using the law and good works to help earn your salvation. Also go into great detail about all your doctrine.
Remember this for the day you pass and breathe your last. It may be 10 or 20 minutes from now or 10 or 20 years from now. For the record, I wish you no harm. God’s sense of timing is perfect. The day will come.
So when you breathe your last in this world, be sure that your first words in the world to come spoken to your angels is surely, “Angels, take me to the tunnel of light so I may pass into God’s presence. He wants to give me my review”.
It will be interesting to find out how you stood up.
jknbt
You are spouting doctrines from the 40,000 flavors of confusion falsely called Christianity. “Total confusion
Those God Has called and given His spirit are being judged now in this life. over their life time —
We are here on earth to learn to live in exact accord with the HOLY LAW of GOD and it take a life time.
Did not Paul say he had run his race and his time was up?
The only other time a person comes before Jesus Christ to be judged is at the Lake of Fire.
Only the very few are in the salvation process now at this time.
God is not desperately trying His best to save folks now if that were so — God is not doing very good as the majority of man has no knowledge of HIM
The Torah states a person can only be put to death if there are two or three witnesses. Why do you think there are two Tables of stone??
Look it up! the two Tables of Stone on which Jesus Christ wrote the 10 Commandments with His finger are the two witnesses against us.
If you think you are being judged by something else you are in for a huge surprise.
jknbt
Do you truly believe because I keep the 7th Day Sabbath as did Jesus Christ and the Apostles,
and all 7 of God’s Holy Feasts as did Jesus and the apostles
and only eat clean meats as did Jesus and the Apostles
and try to live by the Torah as did Jesus Christ and the Apostles
And I turn and run from Easter which neither Christ nor the Apostle kept and xmas and Sunday as well
and I will never speak in senseless noise which Jesus Christ never did and never taught His disciples to do
Do you really believe what I am doing is an abomination to my Father and His Son??
I had one foolish woman tell me I must repent from doing the above. repent from following Jesus Christ!
In the 4 books; Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Jesus Christ states over and over if you love me you will obey my commandments — the very same Commandments HE wrote on two tables of Stone.
Jknbt time is very short and I have been at this since 1968, I am now blunt with folks because the time for repentance is almost over and I have never seen such utter confusion as I see now.
I tell my family and close friends shortly it will be difficult to tell up from down, our Father is turning Satan lose to utterly deceive the entire world. billions will die.
It pains me to watch folks like you turn from the righteous example of Jesus Christ set for us to follow and run to confusion.