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The 7 Trumpets, God’s Revenge on the Saint’s Persecutors

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Luke 17

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

 

By Pastor Joseph Chambers / Paw Creek Ministries

     The Seven Trumpets are for saints, not to deliver us but to avenge us on our haters. God is a just God and our day is coming when our enemies will regret their hatred. Notice how the entire action of these trumpeters is preceded by the culmination of the effect of our prayers. Every time you pray for your enemies you are laying the foundation of their judgment. These trumpets, including the final one, have absolutely nothing to do with the Rapture but everything to do with justice for us.

     These Seven Trumpets declare several things:

  1. The coming judgment is proof God loves His saints.
  2. The fire falling on the wicked is purifying the world for us.
  3. Every visage of our suffering for Christ will be vindicated.
  4. God is establishing a wall between the righteous and the wicked.
  5. The wicked will be turned on the wicked.
  6. Satan will be allowed to make a fool of himself.
  7. Even the One World Religion is hated by her creators.
  8. The center of the One World Religion is burned to ashes.
  9. God is showing us a picture of the consequences of wickedness.
  10. The Seven Trumpets are all about the price of godless action and Satan’s failures.

     The true saints of God will never suffer in vain.  Every heart-rending prayer, every period of great intercession for the kingdom of God to come, and every person that endures tribulation, persecution, or temptation will be avenged and rewarded for their faithfulness.  You cannot give a cup of water to a righteous person and not be guaranteed your reward, “For whosever shall give you a cup of water to drink in My name because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.” Mark 9:41.  The Father and His Son never redeem a person in vain and will never fail to justify, sanctify, and multiply those overcoming saints that take up their cross and follow Him.  When the books are opened and the time of the reconciliation of all things has come, the faithful believers will discover that the Father has planned the end perfectly.  The Apostle Paul said it beautiful, “But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9.

          This great chapter of the Book of Revelation is mainly about the avenging of His Saints.  Even the attention-getting first verse suggests great things to come.  The Bible and secular history is replete with the injustice and persecution of the righteous people of the earth.  It has always cost to be an all out Bible-believer and to live the genuine life of a Bible-believing person.  When the converted man or woman has stepped out of darkness into the light, the light will never fail to shine from that converted person, and darkness will be offended.  “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” John 16:33.  They may not hate us, but the enemy that rules their lives will hate the light that uncovers their deeds.  It cannot fail unless the heart of the wicked is open to be converted themselves!

          Revelation chapter eight is the supernatural beginning of the avenging of His saints.  Vengeance is evil in the hands of men, but righteous in the hands of God.  Then, it is called justice.  This promise has been left to us and we are to leave vengeance in His hands and wait for the right to prevail.  It is impossible for right not to prevail if we will keep our hands free and our heart full of patience and faith.  “Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.” Romans 12:19.  Every act of wickedness against righteousness will be perfectly vindicated, and every unrepentant sinner will answer for his sins.

          The entire Book of Revelation is about justice and redemption.  It’s impossible to have one without the other.  There is no perfect redemption without justice and there is no true justice without redemption.  Our Father has never condemned the righteous with the wicked.  Justice is the principle reason that the Rapture must occur before the seven dark years of tribulation.  When the Creator judged the earth with a flood, Noah had to be removed first.  “But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.” Genesis 6:8.  When Sodom and Gomorrah went up in flames, Lot had to be removed first.  The angel said, “Haste thee, escape thither for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither” Genesis 19:22.  Any person that unfairly judges the righteous is laying a snare for themselves.  When you are unfairly treated, put it in God’s hand and go on in righteousness.  Forgive and forget!

“And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. Revelation 8:1.  

     The Lamb, the Son of God, will open all seven seals. This is clearly His activity.  Nothing makes this book so breathtaking as the proximity of everything and every event to the Lamb and to His Father on His throne.  This seal and its opening startled Heaven into silence.  The entire populace of Heavenly Jerusalem has anxiously waited for the day when Satan will be judged and evicted from the universe.  The angels are well aware of the broken heart of God over man’s first rebellion and even more conscious of the moments surrounding the death of the Son of God to redeem.  That redeemed host from the earth has joined the Heavenly hosts.  A holy awe envelops this city and even the “Holy, Holy, Holies” of the Seraphim and Cherubim revere the call of silence as preparation is made to avenge the overcomers out of a sin cursed world.

     Recording angels have never missed an event on God’s earth. Every injustice is daily recorded.  Every sin that has not been removed by the Lamb’s blood is written and awaiting justice.  The acts of wicked men to destroy the righteous are perfectly prepared for this hour.  And as stupendous as it may seem, every saintly prayer and every weeping believer waiting on His God and crying out for mercy, both for themselves and others, is all recorded.  The prayer of the saints will soon become fire in the earth and the books have it all on record.

“And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel’s hand.  And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.”  Revelation 8:2-5

Ezekiel 39

1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

     Seven angels with seven trumpets and the angels are coming straight from the Father’s presence. This is the only opening of the seven seals that special angels are given special prominence and that the prominence has the favor of the Father.  Of course, all of the activities flow from the unity of the Father and His Son, but to see a special mention suggests something very close to His heart.  Nothing connected with this earth holds any favor more special than His redeemed and their discipleship and tribulation during their pilgrimage.  They must be vindicated and the time has arrived. 

          An eighth angel appeared before the altar that had in his possession a golden censer.  This was no doubt taken from the great Temple of Heaven of which the Temple of Solomon was but a shadow.  Bible students have given only scant attention to this temple.  I believe Melchizedek was the high priest of that temple and descended to offer a foreshadow of communion to Abraham.  Connecting that golden censor to the temple and the prayers of the saints is especially important.  The prayers of the saints would naturally be preserved in the temple for it is the very center of all redemption.  The Blood of Jesus Christ is on the altar in that same heavenly temple.  This is the very center of the activities of the seven years of the Great Tribulation.  The Apostle Paul notes every anointed prayer as special.  Prayer has always been the lifeline of His church.  “And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.” Ephesians 2:6.

          The power and authorities vested in these great volumes of prayer is quite overwhelming.  The angel already held in his possession the prayers of the saints and now receives incense to add and finish this offering ready to be offered.  Everything is on hold, silence is evident, and the angel is about to unleash the authority that will affect the universe and all heaven, but the effect will be on earth.  It’s important to note that this includes the prayers of all saints.  This offering is made directly before the throne of the Father, on the very central altar of heaven called, the golden altar.  You can rest assured that this is the central most sacred spot of Heavenly Jerusalem and has the attention of the entire Heavenly host.

          Once this offering is finished, the smoke and aroma ascends up before the Father as an acceptable act of worship.  Every prayer in Christ’s name, offered by a believing saint, is held in store for action.  Sometimes the action is immediate according to the will of God, and sometimes it is preserved until the proper hour; but they are always heard.  When I read of the saints of God from Pentecost to the present and see the price in blood that the many martyrs have paid, I get just a little of the emotion that will be manifested on that day.  Think of Polycarp, the Huguenots, Hussites, the millions that were slaughtered during the dark ages, and the thousands that were slaughtered by reformation leaders when their dictates were disobeyed.  I long for this hour with all those saints that are awaiting vindication. 

          Now, the action will begin on earth.  Every prayer prayed by a saint of God as they were led to the stakes to be burned alive or to the waters in which to be drowned or the many other deaths of martyrdom are all stored up for vengeance.  I read of a sixteen-year-old young lady that would not recant her faith in Christ alone, who was carried by the inquisitors to a horse trough and held under water until she was dead.  Then, her body was cast on the fire to burn.  Those inquisitors will be made to bow at her feet and confess her name before the Father.  “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” Revelation 3:9.  Every debt of every persecutor must be paid.

          After the prayers had touched the heart of God, this angel took his censor, filled it with fire from the altar, and cast it onto the earth.  You can believe that this Tribulation Period now takes on a new level of judgment.  Now, the Father and the Lamb are not just judging the earth, they are judging every act of evil against every saint of God for six thousand plus years.  The effect is immediate as voices, thundering, lightning, and earthquakes begin to move across the earth from east to west and from north to south.  Not one piece of real estate will escape this action.  The vengeance of righteousness against wickedness, light against darkness, and purity against impurity will utterly fill the earth.  God’s saints will be vindicated.  This action will continue until the end of the seven years is complete. 

Revelation 22

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

      We should remember that in the final reckoning before our Father, it is not our music or our great sermons, as important as they are when Biblically offered, but the prayers we have prayed. The greatest work of His saints is found in our fellowship and communion with Him.  Intercession for the lost, prayer for the multiplying of His words, weeping over the vileness that invades this earth, and wonderful communion with the Father and the Son, is the pure order of righteousness.  To allow our works to out pace our prayer life is our shame.  More than our labor, He wants our loving togetherness. 

 “And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.”  Revelation 8:6-9.

          A properly blown trumpet is an awesome musical instrument.  It can sound incredibly startling when the sounds are meant to startle.  At this point in the Book of Revelation, the wicked population of this earth is hell-bent to destroy and eliminate every vestige of morality and any remembrance of the God of Holy Scripture.  A new god is being proclaimed and loved, and the new freedom has unfettered the flesh of men to the full satisfaction of their wildest lusts.  Its freedom and the new religion is full of the dreams of wealth and pleasure.  But even in the midst of their pleasure, the trumpet begins to sound and the earth begins to shudder.  The events on this earth are out of control and the very sound of that trumpet is like a wake-up call.

          When the first angel sounded, the heavens turned black and a storm broke out like midnight on the world.  Everyone had heard the trumpet and the storm was so instantaneous that the two could not be separated.  The hail was murderous and destructive, killing tens of thousands and literally destroying everything in its wake.  To add to its fury, the hail became a mixture of fire and blood falling together with the hail.  One third of the earth’s trees were destroyed before the storm had subsided and there was no grass left.  It was a fire-parched world when it was all over.

          Without warning and probably no more than a few days, maybe hours later, there is another great sound of a trumpet.  The world shuttered again and the world news outlet goes on alert.  The earth is struggling to return to normal.  Yet, everyone is expecting the worse.  Finally, the news gets the story that a great mountain had fallen from out of nowhere burning with fire.  It had fallen to the sea and the first release of waves begins to paint the true picture.  The sea and, in many places, a third of the earth’s large bodies of water has turned to blood.  In many places it had congealed and is already an unbearable stench.  Pleasure, money, vacation!  Nothing matters except survival.  The seas of the world are a disaster.  At least one third of every creature in the world’s bodies of water is dead.  At least a third of the ships have gone down with all their crew on board.  It is a second disaster on top of the first. 

“And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.” Revelation 8:10-11.

Psalm 37

1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.

For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

     Consternation, death, desperate efforts to bury the dead, looting, and scrambling for food is occurring on a worldwide basis. The world is in shock!  Days, maybe weeks, pass and then suddenly a third trumpet sounds.  The past months have been unbearable and another shock creates utter insanity.  As the world watches for the results of this trumpet, the sky turns threatening and a great star is hurling in a path towards the earth.  The entire earth trembles and shakes on impact.  It had fallen like a lamp full of fire and destruction.  Its effect is upon the rivers and all the fountains of water.  The sea is already undrinkable, and, now, the water supplies issuing out of the earth are utterly contaminated.  Multitudes die as they drink in desperate thirst from the poisoned waters.

“And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!” Revelation 8:12-13.

         The trees and green grasses have mostly been parched, the seas and oceans are a disaster, and the water supplies of the world are poisoned.  Now, Heaven itself must speak of the judgment of a Holy, but angry God.  Millions of His servants have been slaughtered.  Godly people have been hated and martyred simply for being Godly.  The Father promised vengeance on a rebellious and unbending world and its time has come.  The forth angel sounds and the heavens respond.  A third of the sun goes black, then a third part of the moon, and then a third part of the stars so that the earth is a black, thick darkness for at least five hours out of every daylight period.  Nothing can be more awesome than blackness without a shade of light.  Insanity is the only answer for the total universe except for those who know truth and have repented.  They wait in confidence knowing that the time is short and Jesus will return to establish His kingdom.

Conclusion

          Suddenly an angel appears in the sky and heralds a message that the world will hear in great sorrow and fear.  It’s not over and the angel sounds the warning.  Everyone will hear the angel’s word.  There are three woes to go.  The angel will declare, “Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!” Revelation 8:13.

          The time schedule would suggest that the period of these seven angels is three and one-half years.  There will be different events that happen simultaneously and there will be no rest for the world or the wicked.  They will surely find places and times to continue their sins and moral rebellion, but each event will only make this world more dangerous.

     There are still three more trumpets yet to sound. The fifth and sixth are seen in Chapter Nine of this great Book of Revelation. Both of those trumpets opened the gate of hell and turned loose a multitude of the wicked. Lastly, the Seventh Trumpet sounds declaring that God’s judgment is finished. It’s amazing to hear the joy of men and angels as they celebrate the perfection of God’s actions. The results of this trumpet are seen throughout the rest of the book.

     Some have tried to tie this Seventh Trumpet to the Rapture but that is impossible. The Elders are seen as the trumpet sounds and they are present before God worshipping and celebrating the final triumph that follows this blast of the trumpet. There are seven vials to be poured out on the wicked and even the Tabernacle of Heaven is open as priestly angels pour out these vials.

     It is a glorious scene of perfected holiness preparing the world for its rightful possessor, Christ and His saints.

http://www.pawcreek.org/the-seven-trumpets-and-gods-revenge-on-the-saints-persecutors/

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    • hansom

      “God’s revenge”, that doesn’t sound very christian. What happened to turning the other cheek and unconditional love ?

      • Truthseeker

        hansom

        Revenge belongs to God, when Jesus Christ returns HE comes as a Warrior KING with a two edged sword and “HE” WILL SLAY ALL OF HIS ENEMIES.

        Have you never read Revelation?

        God does not have “unconditional” love — If you will not OBEY you are NONE OF HIS.

        21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

        22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

        23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

        the above teaching of Jesus Christ is not unconditional love — it IS conditioned on doing the WILL of the FATHER.

        Your ministers or what ever are lying to you.

    • Libsrloons

      Why try and analyze every word, every nuance even every whit of scripture? Just take it on faith that God’s plan is perfect and that everything will fall into place exactly as He promised. Take comfort in Psalms 46:10 “Be still, and know that I am God”.

      Relax, He has got this

    • goastdale

      Jesus ALREADY RETURNED FOR THE “2ND” AND LAST TIME……..There are no more comings of Jesus and the day of the lord does not last for 24 hours!?!…….

      Even Islamic theology is waiting for the second coming of Christ but this is also how we know slam dunk that Muhammad was a false teacher…just like most “bible teaching Christians”…….THE SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in that first generation are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8)…….Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. ……. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES……. It is a biblical fact according to the bibles own figures that last days are the last 70 years of the number of years between BC596…to AD70 = 666 yrs the period of time outlined once as a MAN and once as a BEAST in Daniel Ch 2 & 7 respectively .as the time the 7 fold (7 seals/trumps vials) curse of the law of Moses was poured out on the physical seed of Israel purified until only a spiritual seed was left…

      Gal 1: 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

      The book of Revelation offers us an interesting Theological dilemma. It states Rev 22:16. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Revelation also states it is “the true sayings” of Jesus and that it is “the testimony of Christ”. If this is not “the gospel of Jesus Christ” then what is it and should we consider it accursed testimony of an angel? If it is not to be considered accursed, then it cannot be some other gospel message then what was already given previously. However, this is the conundrum, for if this is the gospel message, then why do so few understand it? There is a possibility which few consider but is the overall thesis of this apology. The reason people don’t understand revelation is because they never understood what the gospel message was in the first place! In that case, where does that put those who claim it is not essential for salvation? Do you not find it quite curious that the most “Personally” given NT book By Jesus himself, is the least understood and given the least importance for Salvation in Christendom?….There are numerous preachers and bible exegetes but as Paul said “… I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge” . Most who profess the name of Christ are feeding on doctrines of devils and the ignorant.. There are, without question, many “qualified” teachers and scholars with many years of “dedication” and “solid education”. However, teachers, no matter how well lettered or numbered in degrees; if obtained from others; who are just as equally ignorant in such matters, are just “ blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”………………

      Revelation the First Gospel of the Kingdom
      978-1-4907-0590-3 (ISBN)

      Those looking for a physical return of Christ and your physical body to “leave the dirt” resurrected (1Cor 15:36-37) you are carnal mined & or living in prov 26:12

      DAY OF THE LORD”/ YEAR OF THE LORD – does NOT last for 24 hours!?!..Also means the day of resurrection & judgment do not last for one hour or one day either! They only begin (NOT END) in a certain hour & on a certain 24 hour day ….”SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS to arise”…..NOT..”come & get (your new resurrected body) it while it is still hot, only 24 hours of solar power left”!?!

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/308485609/Day-of-Lord-Not-24-Hours-I-Come-Quickly

      The second coming took place already and Christ promised that only HIS PEOPLE would see him ….John 14:19. Yet a little while, and THE WORLD SEETH ME NO MORE;….. [2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ AFTER THE FLESH, yet NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE….(here the Context of John 14 is his second coming)…..continued…..but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20. AT THAT DAY .. 21. He that hath my commandments, and KEEPETH THEM, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM……(again taking note “as he is” or 1Jn 3:2)

      22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, HOW IS IT THAT THOU WILT MANIFEST THYSELF UNTO US AND NOT UNTO THE WORLD? 23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, HE WILL KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.( Rev 3:20) 24. He that loveth me not.. (1Cor 16:22)…. KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: ( REV 9:16-20)

      REVELATION 1:7. Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, …. There is a parallel here with ………….Exodus 24:10. And THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL : and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also THEY SAW GOD, and did eat and drink………..But Christ said….. John 1:18. NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. A person can see with their understanding and or see with their eyes…. It can see “seen” for certain that everything that Christ described was seen by the folks of that day in His coming but do they perceive that was him? …So what Christ said is true every eye saw him but the world does not see him….. With the eye they and folks still today can see everything Christ described to have taken place, but they do not “keep” ( believe and understand) his words as such they do not see him nor shall they ever.

      The saints who have physical died faithful in the flesh (every man in his own order) are changed in the blink of an eye & caught up to sit on that Great white throne ( this congregation of the saints is the body of Christ that folks will answer to at the judgment and these saints will judge all men who cannot see Christ along with the rest of the world……Folks think they are waiting to see Jesus but they will NEVER see Jesus himself they will only see the body of Christ condemn them the saints judge the world (Rev 3:21; 1 Cor 6:2 et al) the saints are the body of Christ…that is the only part of Christ they shall see….only the saints shall see God face to face…..most peoples idea of the second coming & day of the Lord and the judgment is completely wrong

      http://www.globethics.net/gtl/5455069 Revelation The First Gospel of The Kingdom

      or

      https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom

      or

      https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM

      978-1-4907-0590-3 (SC ISBN)

    • Horizon808

      Remember when you forgot to look at things differently many, many years ago? – http://www.amnesiaphotography.com

    • Truthseeker

      John and Joe, this statement of Joe’s : “Justice is the principle reason that the Rapture must occur before the seven dark years of tribulation” is proof of how far far away you two are from the TRUTH.

      First: the Tribulation begins as the 5th Seal opens which begins the last 3 1/2 years of the seven years of the time of the end.
      the first four Seals take place during the first half i.e. first 3 1/2 years And during the last 3 1/2 years the 5th , 6th and 7th Seals occur.

      the tribulation is a 2 1/2 year event followed by the heavenly signs i.e. the 6th Seal and then the Day of the LORD which is the final year of the 7 year time of the end. the 6th Seal is very short in duration lasting most likely less then one day.

      But here is your huge problem; You rapture folks are totally focused on ” getting out of Dodge” before the shooting begins thus you are missing the main event — the purpose for all creation.

      18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in “”"us”"”.

      19 For the earnest expectation of the creature(creation) waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

      The whole point of what God has created here on earth and in the heavens above is revealed by the birth of the SONS OF GOD THE FATHER.

      that Revealing of the Father’s sons takes place at the First Resurrection,

      Our Father wants every living creature to SEE what HE has accomplished, His purpose for every single thing that has been created is culminated in HIS Sons being born again as spirit members of HIS FAMILY.

      Your rapture is nothing more then an escape from pain —- the resurrection is the time our Proud Father tells His Creation “Look at My sons in whom I am well pleased”
      “Come My sons and inherit all things that I have prepared for YOU”.

      You may have total possession of the rapture it is all your — I look for the resurrection by which I can be born again but this time into God’s Holy Family.

    • Truthseeker

      John Rolls

      You can post 1000 articles on a rapture — none will be true and none can or will make a rapture occur.

      The farther one gets from the LAW i.e. the Torah the farther one is from understanding God’s Plan of Salvation and the events leading up to its completion.

      You and your posse of rapture writers have turned your backs to the “Voice of God” , you refuse to allow Jesus Christ, our Master, to rule over you and what is Christ command for those that refuse to allow Him to rule over them —” Take out the trash and burn it”.

    • Crazy times

      Wretchedseeker you can Huff and you can Puff a MILLION times and you will NOT close that OPEN DOOR before the BRIDE Rev 3:8,

      blindseeker your SDA doctrine will see you left NAKED ,Miserable weeping and wailing and gnashing ur gums when the Lord descends by Himself to pick up His betrothed @kickoff @ the Midnight Hr and your CLEARLY LEFT BEHIND, denoted by the (5) UNWISE virgins Matt 25 “as it is written”…..

      The Rapture, will be AMAZING and SPECTACULAR then the World will be caught in a snare.

      Rev 3:8 I have set before you an open door, which NO ONE is able to shut. :idea:

      HalleluYah

      • Truthseeker

        crazy at least the pope knows who he serves and it is not Christ but you, being deceived, reject 95% of the WORD of God and condemn those that live by every WORD of GOD as Jesus Christ commanded us to do.

        crazy if I wanted to place a bet the rapture would not happen I could do so as it would not be gambling.
        the chance of a rapture is zero — it will never happen — thus it would not be a sin.

        Crazy did you know that Jesus Christ at the time of His sacrifice on the stake was married to the House of Judah and was divorced from the house of Israel??

        When He returns and after He is seated on HIS Throne in HIS Kingdom with all His enemies are under His feet He will marry the House of Israel and the House of Judah again.

        As Christ died Christ is now eligible to marry and as the two sisters will have been washed by HIS blood and will be spiritual virgins
        it will be Torah legal. According to the Torah a High Priest can only marry a virgin.

        crazy I know all of the Old testament “stuff” is meaningless to you but Hey I thought you may have a passing interest.

        One day we will know to which of us Jesus Christ will say : “I never knew you, you that work iniquity”

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