The Church Is About to Fly
Isaiah 26
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
By Pastor Joseph Chambers / Paw Creek Ministries
The sainted company of church history has dreamed of their flight to the sky. That day is certainly at hand. Only our Father knows the exact hour and He planned it that way. Anytime you hear someone set a date for any Bible fulfillment you always know they are wrong. The return of Jesus Christ to rapture His jewels into the heavens must be kept secret. Our Father wants us to live every day expecting Him. Living to go is the way the Bible teaches us to live.
Listen to our First Testament Prophet, Malachi, “And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.” The Jewels are about to fly.
Any view of Revelation chapter four that does not allow for the triumphant Rapture of the saints is woefully inadequate and an embarrassment to the truth. It is the grandest picture of the true church and the overcoming saints who were brought up from the Lion’s mouth unto the King’s throne. The blood-washed saints that were hated by the world had faced their persecutors for the last time. Giving up the world, they had gained the grandest seats around the throne of the Father.
This chapter is the beginning of the glory that has been promised to the saints since the opening of the Holy Bible. From seats around the throne to the city of the throne, the saints will never suffer shame again. They are His saints; they will take up positions as His elders until they march forth as His army, reign as Kings, and possess the city of the Bride.
Revelation chapter four moves us past the Church Age, where His saints are pilgrims and strangers on this earth. After the opening of chapter four, everything revealed in this book is future prophecy. The pilgrim saints become serving elders that sit on lesser thrones and participate with the Father and the Son in the redemption of this earth. Redemption in the Bible is always a judicial business incorporating cleansing, judgment, and the renewing and perfecting of that which sin has corrupted. The authorized elders, Cherubim, and angels will serve the Lamb of God during this process.
This chapter is the opening volley, and ultimately the universe will be perfectly redeemed. From the rebellion in heaven, where Satan and his angels were cast to the earth, until Satan presents his false Christ and false spirit, every act of evil must be presented and judged at the bar of justice. It will be seven years of perfect redemption until the earth is fit for the King of Kings to rule and reign.
Zechariah 14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
The great Jehovah God is seated on His throne in the celestial heavens and is fully prepared for the heavenly court. Over six thousand years have passed since a serpent possessed by Lucifer walked into the garden and deceived God’s perfect couple, Adam and Eve. From the venom of lies in the garden, sin has touched every offspring of Adam. The upheaval of the earth by the Noahic flood left its scars on a sin-cursed earth. There is not one element of the created world unspoiled by the flood of evil, and it’s now time for redemption.
The celestial city of Jerusalem, now in heaven, and its inhabitants are the only untouched geography in the cosmos, and the court will be held in its temple. David must have had a slight view of this seven-year session.“Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. God is known in her palaces for a refuge.” (Psalms 48:1-3).
The court proceeding that must be held in this city demands a Pre-Tribulation Rapture to transfer the saints from their graves or from their living on earth to fulfill their appointed place in the judgments. This earth is the Lord’s and He has appointed it to His saints to possess for eternity. It has been clearly stated that we shall judge this earth, and our removal to this grand event is unquestionably guaranteed. The fight against the Rapture is a last-ditch battle from the devil to prevent us from our heavenly task. The proceeding cannot begin until we arrive at our appointed seats before the throne.
Come Up Hither! After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter (Revelation 4:1). Please look carefully at this truth. The scene in heaven was visible to John. It was a drama for him. He did not hear it described, he saw it in action. The Lord said, “I will shew thee things which must be hereafter”,. speaking of the Church to which John had just delivered seven letters.
There is no event on God’s calendar that demands a door opened into heaven from the earth’s advantage except the Rapture. This great vision by John incorporates all the fine details that Scripture associates with the saints being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord”. (I Thessalonians 4:16-17.
Before John sees the throne in heaven, he hears the voice of Jesus Christ “as it were of a trumpet” saying, “Come up hither.” The trumpet voice gave details to John to make sure the church would understand this further information as “hereafter” or following the letters to the seven churches. Nothing from this point in Revelation can be a historical event. This was clearly stated in the introduction of chapter one. “Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter” (Revelation 1:19). All through chapter one, two, and three the whole vision and scene is the High Priestly appearance of Jesus Christ and His letters to His churches.
1 Corinthians
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
John is clearly caught up into the heavens to view further proceedings that demand his presence. He is going to witness the glorified saints seated in positions of honor and dressed in attire that would be impossible on earth. Everything he sees and writes from this verse has no connection to the Church Age and its kingdom business, which the Scripture identifies as the spiritual kingdom “that cometh not with observation. Then Jesus told them that the Kingdom was still future. “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:20-21).
“And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Revelation 4:2-3). What John was about to witness demanded that a spiritual dimension temporarily overshadow him. This again proves that his vision was beyond the physically observable age of the church and was a prophetic view of future events. No one can stand before God’s throne or even view God’s throne until our bodies are glorified. “For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven” (2 Corinthians 5:2).This vision given to John was for our future hope and demands the Rapture to fulfill its glory.
In the Spirit, John looks on the majestic throne of Almighty Jehovah, where our Heavenly Father is seated in His glory. The description given to us is limited by human language inadequate to reach to such heights of splendor. The glory was such that the writer could only compare it with the grandeur of rare jewels. There was a gleam of glory and overwhelming splendor making Him incomparable to earthly beauty. The dazzling colors of a rainbow were seen overshadowing the throne and its occupant. The throne itself was in sight like unto an emerald. No earthly wonder has ever been so described.
How can we question that something is about to transpire that the ages of human pain has longed to behold? Ten thousand gods have imitated God the Father and have tried to possess His kingdom. They all have faded into defeat. The last of those gods are soon to disappear. His presence settles the God-questions of the rebellious multitudes. The proceedings that will issue from His throne will not leave any questions or doubts. His glorious presence became the backdrop of the rest of this great masterpiece of literature called REVELATION” Every scene from this point forward must be understood as the acts and transactions of Him, His Son, His Holy Spirit, and His appointed elders and angels. He is sovereign God, and all glory and honor must flow from His throne.
1 Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind (Revelation 4:4-6). All three of these verses begin with references to the throne of God and He that is seated in His majesty, Notice the progression, “And round about the throne”, “And out of the throne”, “And before the throne.” That is breathtaking language. and John both heard it and saw it.
First, “round about the throne” are the saints of God that have been promoted to elders. No more pilgrims and strangers traveling through a weary land, but exalted, glorified, and seated “round about the throne.” The judgment seat of Christ has occurred, and His saints have been promoted to their lofty positions. They are seated after a lifetime of pilgrimage and sorrows. They are clothed in sparkling-white raiment, which is the righteousness of the glorified elders. They are crowned with crowns of gold, and this is just the first day of eternity for all of them. I can hardly wait because He has paid our debt of sin and redeemed his chosen so we can be there. The Rapture is at the door and Satan is fighting with a fury.
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Just more #Idiocracy… the “taking up” occurs AFTER the Tribulation.
Matthew 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. (NASB)
ANYONE who preaches a “pre- (or mid-) tribulation rapture” is a false teacher; I firmly believe that one, false teaching will be the primary cause of the Great Apostasy! A post-tribulation gathering of the elect is confirmed in the Book of Mark:
Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. (NASB)
That’s TWO witnesses… but there is a third in Luke 21:25-28.
You try to tell Noah to build the ark after the floods?
Jan you and Rolls are refusing to believe the words of Jesus Christ in Mark 13: 24, are you both saying Christ lied or was a little confused when He stated the angels gather the elect “”AFTER”‘ the tribulation and after the 6th Seal which is the stars falling from heaven and the moon not giving her light i.e. the heavenly signs??
Do you also think Paul is wrong when he states the resurrection to eternal life occurs at the Last Trump??
The last Trump is the 7th Trumpet plague of the 7 Trumpets in the 7th Seal.
You folks are in for a disappointment that will absolutely crush you. When world war three comes and you all are still on earth and starving ——– remember you were warned.
And how do you rapture folks negate/twist Revelation 5: 10.
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign “ON” the earth.
I await the first resurrection when I shall be born again as an immortal Spirit with the same spirit body as my Master Jesus Christ and then I and all of the Saints of God will rule with Christ on HIS throne HERE ON EARTH.
Phil 3
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned —- like unto his glorious body, —–according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Those born again will be born a 2nd time in the image of GOD i.e. Jesus Christ.
Nope, rapture occurs before, sorry. I think you need to compare scripture with scripture before being so sure. And what you present does not support otherwise. There is more that supports pre trib than otherwise. In fact there is none for mid or post.
so psp Jesus Christ does not know what He is talking about – but you do?
Satan is a master deceiver for sure and you have fallen hard for his lie.
Are you familiar with Zechariah 14
1 Behold, the “Day of the LORD” cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
the Day of the LORD is the 7th Seal.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
When Christ returns to earth HE fight the gentile nations in “That battle of Great Day of God Almighty”.
Rev 16: 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them —– to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Continuing in Zach 14
4 —-And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, —– which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee [to] the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: ——–and the LORD my God shall come, [and] —– all the saints with thee.
When Christ returns as KING of kings the Saints meet Him in the clouds and then they land on the mount of Olives —- and it is “ALL” Saints come with Christ to the Mount of Olives.
psp you too have a huge disappointment coming.
Psp: Then, you are calling Christ a liar! I provided THREE witnesses for post-Trib from the Gospels alone. You provide nothing but more lies.
Truthseeker: The “day of the Lord” is regarding Judgment Day on a future Yom Kippur followed by the Marriage Supper of the Lamb on a future Sukkot. The appointed times (Heb. mo’edim) are still very much in play.
laschuetz
The Day of the Lord will begin on a Feast of Trumpets and end on a Feast of Trumpets, it is God’s wrath on the gentile nations that will in a few years take hundreds of millions from the nations of Israel into captivity for 3 1/2 years.
The Day of the Lord follows the 6th Seal and IS the 7th Seal. Christ returns at the last Trump which is the 7th Trumpet plague of the 7th Seal.
The 5th Seal which is the Great Tribulation begins the final 3 1/2 years of the 7 year time of the end.
the Day of Atonement is the time Satan is confined for 1000 years and yes the marriage will not take place until Christ is given the Kingdom which occurs at the beginning of the Feast of Tabernacles i.e. Sukkot.
I am very familiar with God’s 7 Holy Feasts which foreshadow the major events in God’s plan of salvation, I begin keeping them in 1969 and just returned from the Feast of Tabernacles this month.
The time of judging is “The Last Great Day” which is the 7th and final Feast of each year, that time foreshadows the 2nd resurrection shown in Ezekiel 37
Truthseeker: The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord is definitely Judgment Day on a future Yom Kippur. The flip-side of atonement is judgment. On that day the believers in Christ will receive Grace (=a judicial pardon or clemency from their sins — atoned by Christ’s own blood). The unbelievers will be judged according to the Law of Moses, found guilty, and thrown into the fiery lake of Gehenna along with Belial (Satan) and his minions — including the Watchers, or fallen angels, from the Genesis account et al.
Afterwards, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb between the New Jerusalem and Christ will occur on the Sukkot of that same year (whenever that will be).
Christ’s Second Coming will likely be on Zikhron Teru’ah (=a memorial with the blowing of horns) before both of these events on the first day of the seventh month.
Since you observe the mo’edim (appointed times), I hope it’s not in accordance with the pagan Masoretic calendar; see https://tinyurl.com/qgl6wg4. Instead, I hope you are following the calendar of The Way (Heb. HaDerech) — first called Essenes (pious ones) by the self-proclaimed Pharisee Josephus (see Matthew 23) — discovered among the DSS: http://www.haderech.info/DSS/Calendar/QumranCalendar.pdf. Note that Geza Vermes mistranslated “duqah.” Based on my observations, 1 Abib in lunar cycle 1 of 3 should be a new (dark) moon and NOT a full moon. It is also not referring to the fingernail of God.
I would like to chat with you more offline. If interested, I’m on Hotmail.
Jan, do you have ANY understanding of the Scriptures whatsoever? By your response, obviously not.
“You try to tell Noah to build the ark after the floods?”
Yes, and Lot stayed in Sodom until he was medium rare. Everybody here knows Christ is psychopathic, first says, “I love you, babe,” then is going to beat His bride to a bloody pulp, behead her and drag her, headless, to the alter, say, “Now, let’s get married.” You see, the Lord is a wife-beater and our hope is that He will change after the tribulation is over, and the blessed hope involves getting your head lopped, the eager anticipation of the tribulation why Paul naturally said, “Comfort one another with these words.” Makes sense to me! And remember. This is Before It’s News, where theology comes to be twisted into pretzels. LOL!
A word of advice: if you are so unfortunate to have nothing else to do and read the comments and most articles at Before It’s News, think in terms of the opposite being the truth, or some new religion being invented, before your very eyes. Think of a pandemic of tares and doctrines of demons. And you who will have nothing to do with any blessed hope? All I can say is knock yourself out, then. After all, that’s a personal problem, no skin off any true believer’s rear, anyway. Liars.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Their problem is that they don’t understand the Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God are two separate events. Yes we will miss the Wrath of God, but that happens at the END of the tribulation period.
What is “30 and then “??? A month?
pay attention to #2 in light of #3…….so NO…NO…NO!…..123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
#1 “ONE” not triune: ……PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE FOR THE ONE GOD TO TALK TO?? Who was Jesus praying to??!?…. The real question should be … How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! (The trinitarian “schizophrenic” “god-head”) The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our/ flesh) benefit not his!?!….. So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF the same “being”! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (they are text book examples of prov 26:12)
Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is….. IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON LOVE & SIN IS MOOT
PART 6: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!
“WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh!
JOHN 14: 8-20 ….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”
The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense
TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4
- Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;
…… should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!
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#2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
Christ promised that only HIS PEOPLE would see him ….John 14:19. Yet a little while, and THE WORLD SEETH ME NO MORE;….. [2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ AFTER THE FLESH, yet NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE….(here the Context of John 14 is his second coming)…..continued…..but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20. AT THAT DAY .. 21. He that hath my commandments, and KEEPETH THEM, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM……(again taking note “as he is” or 1Jn 3:2)
22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, HOW IS IT THAT THOU WILT MANIFEST THYSELF UNTO US AND NOT UNTO THE WORLD? 23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, HE WILL KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.( Rev 3:20) 24. He that loveth me not.. (1Cor 16:22)…. KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: ( REV 9:16-20)
REVELATION 1:7. Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, …. There are two point to be made here (1) this is a partial quote from OT (Zech 12:2&10; also note Rev 16:15-17 & Zech 14:1-3 with Joel 2:28-3:1,2,12,16 et al) note the context it IDENTICAL to Mat ch 24/ Lk 21/ Mark 13 et al….you know, where Jesus described his second coming with the destruction of Jerusalem!?!?!!?…. (2) there parallel here with ………….Exodus 24:10. And THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL : and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also THEY SAW GOD, and did eat and drink………..But Christ said….. John 1:18. NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. A person can see with their understanding and or see with their eyes…. It can see “seen” for certain that everything that Christ described was seen by the folks of that day in His coming but do they perceive that was him? …So what Christ said is true every eye saw him but the world does not see him….. With the eye they and folks still today can see everything Christ described to have taken place, but they do not “keep” ( believe and understand) his words as such they do not see him nor shall they ever.
The saints who have physical died faithful in the flesh (every man in his own order) are changed in the blink of an eye & caught up to sit on that Great white throne ( this congregation of the saints is the body of Christ that folks will answer to at the judgment and these saints will judge all men who cannot see Christ along with the rest of the world……Folks think they are waiting to see Jesus but they will NEVER see Jesus himself they will only see the body of Christ condemn them the saints judge the world (Rev 3:21; 1 Cor 6:2 et al) the saints are the body of Christ…that is the only part of Christ they shall see….only the saints shall see God face to face…..most peoples idea of the second coming & day of the Lord and the judgment is completely wrong
https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom
or
http://www.globethics.net/gtl/5455069 Revelation The First Gospel of The Kingdom
or
https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM
DAY OF THE LORD”/ YEAR OF THE LORD – does NOT last for 24 hours!?!..Also means the day of resurrection & judgment do not last for one hour or one day either! They only begin (NOT END) in a certain hour & on a certain 24 hour day ….”SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS to arise”…..NOT..”come & get (your new resurrected body) it while it is still hot, only 24 hours of solar power left”!?!
https://www.scribd.com/doc/308485609/Day-of-Lord-Not-24-Hours-I-Come-Quickly
2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned …
https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom
or
http://www.globethics.net/gtl/5455069 Revelation The First Gospel of The Kingdom
or
https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM
978-1-4907-0590-3 (SC ISBN)
#3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :
(1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
(2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,
(3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”
Predestination….its true..its all true…download here
https://www.scribd.com/doc/306868420/Most-True-Christians-Go-to-Hell
http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920800 Most true Christians go to hell
https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell
Did the “stars fall from the sky” in 70 CE? Nope! allendavies, you are debunked!
*allendaves
Believers’ Souls Do NOT Go To Heaven!
One of the biggest hoaxes that modern churches have thrust upon us is concerning the disposition of the soul after death. Almost universally, Christians will vehemently state the souls of deceased believers immediately go to Heaven, but that is NOT what the Scriptures state. So, if not Heaven, then where (if anywhere)?
Most Christians believe they belong to “New Testament churches;” therefore, they have no use for the Old Testament. But, what did Christ say on this subject? Examine Matthew 5:17-19: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A17-19&version=NASB. Is Christ a liar? Have all things been fulfilled? If you think so, then why is there a need for His Second Coming?
In fact, this ALL revolves around His Second Coming and the appointed times (Heb. mo’edim) in the Fall — known by the Jewry as the Days of Awe. So, where do ALL souls go after death — both the righteous and the wicked? The Bible calls this specific place by three names:
* Sheol (65x in the OT) – http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7585.htm;
* Hades (10x in the NT; 4x in Revelation) – http://biblehub.com/greek/86.htm; and
* Paradise (3x in the NT; this portion of Sheol/Hades is for believers only) – http://biblehub.com/greek/3857.htm.
To be perfectly clear, none of these is Hell (which is a misnomer; see http://biblehub.com/greek/1067.htm) nor the false precept of Purgatory; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory.
This is what the Bible states, and this is but a sampling of each:
* Numbers 16:25-35 (concentrate on vv 30,33 as well as the footnotes): https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+16%3A25-35&version=NASB
* Job 7:7-10 (notice that it’s always DOWN to Sheol): https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+7%3A7-10&version=NASB
* Acts 2:22-36 (concentrate on vv 27,30-31,34-35): https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A22-36&version=NASB
The passage in Acts 2 is important as even Christ’s soul descended into the netherworld of Sheol/Hades/Paradise. Recall that He was dead and buried for THREE DAYS AND NIGHTS (15-17 Abib) in accordance with the Jonah prophesy; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12%3A38-41&version=NASB.
Examine the Greek word translated as “Paradise” again: http://biblehub.com/greek/3857.htm. It is a park, a garden, a paradise! The souls of both the righteous and the wicked DESCEND to the netherworld — using whatever name desired: Sheol, Hades, or Paradise.
* Ezekiel 31:15-17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+31%3A15-17&version=NASB
* Luke 23:39-43: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+23%3A39-43&version=NASB
Can you handle the truth? Judgment Day — aka the great and terrible Day of the Lord — will occur on a future Yom Kippur (=Day of Atonement). The flip-side of atonement is… judgment!
* Revelation 20:12-15: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20%3A12-15&version=NASB
Those who are TRUE believers in Christ (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16-21&version=NASB) will be given Grace, which is a judicial pardon on Judgment Day at His Second Coming! His First Coming was as the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 who brought salvation to the world. His Second is as the conquering priestly king of the order of Melchizedek (Heb. Malki-tsedeq; =my king is righteous[ness]) vanquishing all evil and establishing His Kingdom — where believers will ultimately reside — on the New Earth.
Those who do not believe in Him will be judged by the Law of Moses, found guilty, and will be thrown into the lake of fire known as Gehenna; examine http://biblehub.com/greek/1067.htm again.
Only three people, who were born incarnate on Earth, are currently in Heaven: 1) Christ, who was resurrected, transfigured, and ascended to the right hand of the Father; 2) Enoch; and 3) Elijah. The latter two are the witnesses (or the metaphorical lampstands [representing the Light of the Word] and olive trees [representing the anointing of the Word]) of Revelation. As ALL humans MUST die (i.e., the first death), the two witnesses will as well in Jerusalem; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11%3A3-13&version=NASB.
Note: Jerusalem is mystically called Sodom and Egypt in this passage; it is also called Mystery Babylon as rabbinic Jews follow the Babylonian calendar in which the fourth month is named after the Babylonian deity Tammuz, put more faith in the Talmud Bavli (Babylonian Talmud) than they do in the TaNaKh (OT), and recite Adonai for the Tetragrammaton which invokes the Greek Adonis and Babylonian Tammuz. That’s why it’s necessary for an undefiled New Jerusalem to descend from the New Heaven to the New Earth. Also, the two witnesses are taken back up into Heaven after they are resurrected. Their bodies/temples were specially prepared (or at least Enoch’s was documented as being so); in the Book of Enoch, what appeared to be a hot coal was pressed to his lips to purify him. Focus on v5 if anyone desires to harm them before their time of prophesying is completed; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11%3A5&version=NASB. These are no longer regular human beings as we know them.
After the wicked are thrown into Gehenna in perpetuity, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb between Christ and the New Jerusalem will commence on Sukkot (=Feast of Tabernacles)!
To recap, this is the order of the resurrection that will occur just before Judgment Day: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15%3A20-58&version=NASB.
So, there you have it, folks… The souls of the deceased — even the righteous/elect — are certainly NOT in Heaven. Not Adam, who was a literal son of God (see Luke 3:38); not Abraham; not Moses; not David; not Mary — NO ONE save Christ at this time.
Shema Yisrael!
#QuestionEverything
What are you talking about? All Christians will to go through the Tribulation. Some will not make it. The Church is NOT to be so-called “raptured” but taken to another place of safety ON EARTH so the GATES OF HELL will not prevail against it.
There is not ONE scripture that points to a pre-tribulation rapture. We will be caught up at the end of the tribulation period just before the Wrath of God. You need to understand scriptural terminology. The Wrath of God IS NOT the Great Tribulation. It is clearly stated
“The church” is as pagan and so far from “The Way” that it’s not going anywhere but to be judged for false teaching. It has no semblance to “The Way”…..sin is transgression of YHWH law including keeping the Sabbath day…..seventh day of the week not according to the Pope’s Gregorian pagan calendar but according to the Creators calendar.
If Sunday is observed, if easter is observed, if Xmas is observed then that group is a pagan counterfeit of God’s Ekklesia.
Show all of us where Christ or the Apostles kept Sunday i.e. the day of the sun god, or easter or xmas — it is impossible to prove from God’s WORD simply because none ever observed those pagan days.
The 40,000 ‘flavors’ of so called christianity are NOT God’s Church and they will persecute the Saints of God for keeping the Sabbath and God’s Holy Feasts.
Those that foolishly believe the satanic lie of a rapture are headed for the greatest disappointment possible– and they will turn against God and His people in their bitterness.
for good explanation & teaching on the pretrib rapture, go to Dave Reagan’s site, lamblion.com…and no, I am not dave reagan
No thanks, more false teaching
here’s a challenge for the author, mr. rolls, and all you bloggers:
does the scripture teach a partial rapture? who gets to go in the Rapture? Discussion invited.