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Question: is the Holy Spirit part of a trinity? — Destined2B? — is it? All of Destined’s “flock” and all others are encouraged to give an answer.

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Question: is the Holy Spirit part of a trinity? — Destined2B? — is it?   All of Destined’s “flock” and all others are encouraged to give an answer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Destined your doctrinal views of the Holy Spirit and a trinity appears to be as contradicting, convoluted and as illogical as are all your other doctrines.

The question is at the end of this paper — yes one more great opportunity for – YOU – to show all on BIN: “You are the strong man of God”.

I have encouraged you before and I encourage you once again –run get professional help to counter the scriptures and logic proving you are teach false doctrines.

 

 

Destined2B , You appear to be teaching there are not 3 entities, “3 persons” in “one being” referred to as “God” — Thus you seem to be stating the catholic invented doctrine of a trinity is a false doctrine and I agree it is.

 

But you also appear to be stating the Father and the Son are the same entity thus, in your mind, reducing “God” from three personas’ to two personas’ in one entity. And in the same breath you appear to be ascribing to the Holy Spirit, some how or other, a position as a 3rd personas’? A trinity ??

 

Destined if God’s Spirit is our “only true teacher” as per your own words, —Without the only true teacher”,— are you not raising God’s Spirit to the level of an entity, a God being ??

And here I thought Jesus Christ was our teacher, that He has the Words of eternal life?

Are you Destined, for the record, stating the words of Jesus Christ are to be ignored and only what some “spirit”, that make a person speak in an unknown tongues, only what that “spirit” teaches is to be accepted as truth?

I am not at all clear what you teach regard the Holy Spirit and not at all sure you even know or understand what it is you teach. It is a very conflicting convoluted confusing message which you preach.

If I have not understood what it is you actually teach please correct the above for us, if that is even possible?

 

To set up the question — directed to your attention Destined, let’s review some scriptures from the Apostle John and the Apostle Peter.

1 John 3: 4 – 9

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:for sin is the transgression of the law.

            John, in his letter, gives us the definition of sin; what is sin?

John simply states: When a person transgresses the LAW — they have committed a SIN.

John makes the definitive statement: –“for sinisthe transgression of the law.

Now “all’ know exactly what God has determined sin to be: — SIN “is” the transgression of the LAW! —- Seven words that can not be twisted.

And Destined, John is making this statement long after Christ returned to His Father in the 3rd heaven and did you take note Destined; John did not bother to inform us he was NOT speaking of that old “bad’ law which you call a curse or that this was “THE New law of Christ” as per the term you personally have coined?

Destined you must admit when John pinned this letter they was no New Testament containing the 4 Gospels and the letters of the Apostles as that book had not been assembled together into one book until the 3rd Century and even then it was available only to Rome and Roman priest until Guttenberg.

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. (In Christ, our Lord and Master, IS NO SIN).

And in Jesus Christ, was found — not one sin, not one transgression of the instructions and Law found in The Book of the Law – The Torah.

Destined, using all of the instructions and teaching by Christ found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John — it is crystal clear — Christ came to take away our sin,——- sins defined by Jesus Christ Himself, as transgressions of the 10 Commandments which can be found throughout the Torah i.e. THE LAW.

Those very scriptures spoken by Jesus Christ found in the four Gospels have been presented to you repeatedly and you ignored them every time and continue to teach against them.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,neither known him.

If a person remains “in Him”, remains “with” the doctrines our Savior lived and taught and remains “in’, “on”, “with” that very WAY our Savior lived, —— that person will not be — WILLFULLY — sinning and who ever willfully sins does not know Jesus Christ.

The word “in” #1722 – in, on, at, by, with.

I fully realize the word “willfully” is not in this statement but it is in others and as it is impossible for flesh and blood to be sinless as was and is Jesus Christ our Passover.—It is must be understood, the point John is making concerns — willful sins: —– Sins — purposely, knowingly and willfully committed.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you:he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Doeth” is an action word denoting the person is Doing, is living Righteousness. Mouthing words is NOT action, actions prove the words from ones mouth — words are just sound carried about by the wind.

The “Words” in the four Books, spoken by Jesus Christ, were lived by Jesus Christ —-Jesus Christ actively and perfectly lived BY EVERY WORD of GOD.

King David makes the point all of God’s Law are Righteousness and Jesus Christ is the KING of Righteousness as He lived by the Holy law perfectly without one sin. No human including Abraham, Moses, David etc. has ever lived a sinless life.

We Humans are very weak and so we now have an attorney at God the Father’s Throne in the 3rd heaven that says to our Father:

Father, this man is weak and he did not willfully sin, he was tempted by Satan and he has repented in tears, he was not strong enough and was pulled into sin by Satan’s evilness and by His weak flesh – thus I ask you, again for the 500th time, to forgiven Him and apply my payment for sin as his payment for this sin. “ And our Father for the 9999th time forgave my sin.”

My Father has forgiven all my sins and they number more then 10 times 9,999. THAT IS MERCY, THAT IS FORGIVENESS.

1 John 2: 1

1 My little children (converted Saints of God), these things write I unto you,that ye sin not. —- “ And” — ifany man sin, —- we have an advocate (attorney) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Is it possible for converted Saints of God in whom the Father’s Spirit dwells to sin?? John states yes we can and do sin.

If a converted begotten Son of God is over come by the pull of fleshly lust and sins against our Father, our advocate i.e. attorney Jesus Christ will ask our Father to forgive all who repent of those sins.

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Destined if the Torah was nailed to the stake why does John say Jesus Christ is our attorney? I know you will never answer this “trick” question, but really, if there is no Law except “love neighbor” with no details, no explanation of how this is to be accomplished how can anyone know for certain if they have sinned? Why then do we need an advocate if the concept of sin is so vague and undefined ?

This is a logical question for which YOU have no scriptural or logical answer.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

For the Devil to sin from the beginning there had to be law codifying specifically what is sin — destined was the Law Satan transgressed different from the 10 commandments? If so what were they?

Oh oh in other scriptures it states Satan was a murderer and a liar from the beginning – that answers that question does it not?

Satan willfully sins and he that willfully sins is following Satan the devil.

9 Whosoever is –born (#1080) of Goddoth not commit sin; forhis” (God’s) seed (#4690) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,because he is born (#1080) of God.

Now we are getting to the question at hand:

 

John makes the point those “born of God” (#1080 gennaó: to beget, to bring forth) can not commit sin which is transgressing the Law, for “His”, the Father’s, — Seed — remains in that person.

And we know from verse 8 above converted Saints can and do sin so the term “born of God” is different then “conversion”.

John does not use the term “born again” (#313 anagennaó: to beget again) in this statement, as the two terms, “born of God” and “Born again’, have different meanings as we shall see.

 

              Strong’s Concordance

            #1080 “Born’

            gennaó: to beget, to bring forth

Original Word: γεννάω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: gennaó
Phonetic Spelling: (ghen-nah’-o)
Short Definition: I beget, bring forth, — give birth to
Definition: I beget (of the male), (of the female) I bring forth, give birth to.

The point John is making; John is stating those that are born (#1080) of God — “give birth to”, — have the Seed, the “sperm” of God the Father in them – permanently. Those ‘Born” have been ‘brought forth’ –they have been born the 2nd time and this time into Spirit, immortal Spirit.

God the Father’s Spirit has placed in them permanently — life eternal, thus they are now immortal spirit.

Remember Christ’s words: That which is born of the flesh IS flesh and that which is born of the Spirit — IS — SPIRIT.

Only those born into Spirit bodies will have immortality. Life eternal comes from the gift of the Father’s Spirit which will raise God’s Holy Ones from their graves to immortal “Spirit” at the resurrection.

Here is what Strong’s has to say regarding that word “Seed” in verse 9 above:

Strong’s Concordance

#4690 Seed

sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seed

Original Word: σπέρμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter

Transliteration: sperma
Phonetic Spelling: (sper’-mah)
Short Definition: seed, offspring
Definition: (a) seed, commonly of cereals, (b) offspring, descendents.

NAS Exhaustive ConcordanceWord Origin
from speiró
Definition
that which is sown, i.e. seed
NASB Translation
children (7), conceive* (1), descendant (4), descendants (16), posterity (1), seed (10), seeds (4).

Reproduction in plants, animals and mankind is accomplished by Seed for plants and by Sperm for animals and man and so it IS by our Father as well.

The spiritual can be understood by the physical so states Paul, there is physical reproduction and there is spiritual reproduction. First is the Physical then – what is spiritual.

What impregnated Mary? 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph,before they came together ( before they has intercourse), she was found with childofthe Holy Ghost Spirit.

Mary was found to be impregnated by the Holy Spirit i.e. the Holy ‘Seed” (#4690 Sperma) of the Father. It was the Father’s Spirit, His Seed that impregnated Mary not a 2nd or 3rd person in the Godhead.

1 Peter 1: 23
 

23 Being born (#313) again, not of corruptible seed (#4701), but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

Peter states when we are “Born Again”, begotten, impregnated, it is not by physical seed (corruptible) but by Incorruptible seed) i.e. the incorruptible “spirit” seed of the Father. No! A Spirit has no physical or spiritual sexual organs.

 

Strong’s Concordance

#313 Born again

anagennaó: to beget again

Original Word: ἀναγεννάω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: anagennaó
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ag-en-nah’-o)
Short Definition: I beget again, beget into a new life
Definition: I beget again, beget into a new life.

Strong’s Concordance

#4701 Seed

spora: a sowing, by impl. seed

Original Word: σπορά, ᾶς,
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: spora
Phonetic Spelling: (spor-ah’)
Short Definition: seed
Definition: seed sown, a sowing.

Destined what is being explained by the above is the Holy Spirit, that has no other name but wind, breath and spirit and never ever speaks in the first person is not an entity in the Godhead.

The Holy Spirit is not the 2nd or the 3rd part or member or persona or whatever in the God Family.

That ONE Spirit of the Father that raised Christ from death and will raise the Saints of God to Spirit immortality as well — Spirit from our Father who IS SPIRIT and it is by THAT small measure of HIS spirit we become spirit fetuses waiting to be born at maturation into the Family of GOD.

So here is the question:

You have the Father’s Spirit doing the “teaching” as if it were an individual being?

You speak of being baptized into the Spirit or is it baptized with the Spirit?? and proof of this baptism, according to you, is speaking in unknown tongues.

 

So, Mr. Destined, what do you teach ?

Is the Holy Spirit a person, an entity “within” what we call GOD, does the Spirit think and act as an individual entity ?

Just what IS GOD’s Spirit, what exactly is God ‘s One Spirit?

If you bothered to read the scriptures above then you now know our Father is our Father because HE actually IS our Father — Our Father is doing the impregnating with a small measure of what HE is “composed of– Spirit—– and at our birth we will become Spirit exactly as Jesus Christ is Spirit . Philippians 3: 21.

The Father is the Father of Jesus Christ as the Father impregnated Mary by a measure of HIS SPIRIT which is what He IS – SPIRIT.

24 God [is] a “Spirit”: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

I used “Composed” for lack of a better human term. Verse 24 states “GOD a SPIRIT”, So is a spirit “composed” of Spirit or just “IS” SPIRIT. I must wait until the resurrection to learn which.

 

Destined I must ask this additional question regarding ‘tongues”: knowing full well our God is a GOD of Righteousness and all that He has made is orderly and logical and exists according to Law:

What then do you suppose God would chose to confirm “HE” has begotten another Son in His family??

Would the Father choose speaking in tongues that no one can understand including the speaker?

Yes we read Acts 2, those were known human languages used to clearly convey to the Jews from all the diverse nations the Good News of the coming of the Kingdom on GOD and of the Sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ as payment for our sins.

Or would He choose a change in the nature of that person, a change that produces HIS Holy Righteous “Lawful” Divine Perfect Nature within that person?

 God’s answer:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

A change in a person’s nature is evident 24/7 by all who come in contact with that converted person of GOD.

But. if someone were to walk around mumbling in an unknown tongue — they will be institutionalized ASAP or should be.

This scripture comes to mind: 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Destined — it is by righteous living, that they may SEE your good Works, that we can know Who IS “OF” God and —— not by the speaking in satanic confusion.

Destined lay before us the words of Jesus Christ stating we shall know who the Holy Ones of God are because they all speak in unknown tongues. Or bring forth scripture from the Old Testament showing it was so in those days.

Why do you suppose we are instructed to bring forth much fruit of the Spirit? And what is that Fruit? Is it not Righteousness?

For the record here is an excerpt from one of your articles.

 

“To attempt to understand the Gospel truth without the true “Baptism of the Holy Spirit” represents a fruitless endeavor.”

“The degenerate false teachers within the various Christian churches are easily recognizable simply by observing their fruits of deception. Although there are numerous mistranslations in our modern day bibles, with the Spirit of truth we can all rightly divide the Word of truth.

This is a labor of love that every believer must participate in. We are not to depend on the doctrines of men for our answers. We should all to be able to give an answer, to everyone that asks, of the reason of the hope of the Messiah (Christ) that is in us (1 Peter 3:15).

Too many people are for ever learning, but unable to come to the knowledge of the truth (2 Tim 3:7). — Without the only “true teacher’, this is to be expected.”

 

What say you Mr. Destined?? Will you remain silent as always?

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  • xredsx

    Jesus said that we are a piece of God, we need to look inside of us to find God. The holy spirit is inside of us already. Defeat your own ego which is just an illusion. The ego is formed by years of life experiences. The holy spirit destroys your ego and that is how you find peace within. It can feel like your dying in your mind and that is why Jesus said about being reborn. but it is more like a remembering.
    I promise you that you are not your thoughts but the awareness to the thoughts. Take control of your own mind and become enlightened.

    • Truthseeker

      xredsx

      new age satanic BS, please find a moron and share it with them, I will have none of it.

      • Psp

        Truth seeker i have to agree with you here. Next he’ll be saying “we are God”! Its coming at some point.

        • xredsx

          The piece of God you have inside of you is called the soul. It is the light of God. Every human being walks around like an unlit candle. The holy ghost comes and lights that candle.

          Human beings have over 60,000 thoughts a day. They are mainly based on one past of their future, usually about betterness in some sort of way. But i promise you that the present moment is our only true reality. When one is constantly living in the present moment, they can see Gods work within synchronicity of life.
          Fear, anger and hate is a part of the forces of darkness while love,compassion and hope is the light.

          Bless’ed every human being that stays in the darkness all because they are too scared to step into the light.

          • Truthseeker

            xredsx

            show me the scripture that states “”The piece of God you have inside of you is called the soul”" Absolute garbage!

  • Truthseeker

    Destined2B you have been offered many opportunities to prove your own doctrines actually follow the doctrines of Jesus Christ perfectly.

    Why, if you are so certain of what you preach, do you not jump at the chance to prove, using the exact Words of Jesus Christ, what you preach is exactly what He preached and taught for 3 ½ years?

    It must appear to all on BIN that you can not do so why? because what you preach and teach is false? Which it is !

  • Alan Schuetz

    There is no “Trinity;” that concept was invented by Tertullian; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertullian. He was the “father of Latin Christianity;” see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23%3A9&version=NASB.

    The Elohim, or family/tribe of God, are comprised of the Father, Holy Spirit, Son, seraphim, cherubim, arch-/angels, and other heavenly host. That’s no “Trinity,” is it?

    • Truthseeker

      Alan you did not read the paper did you — the Father’s Spirit is not an entity, not a individual thinking persona.

      In Elohiym there are Two, the Father and the Son, angels are not Elohiym, yes angels are the heavenly host i.e. army but all are “made”, they have a beginning and they are spirit but are not made of that ONE Spirit of the Father. —Elohiym has no beginning.

      John is clear, does John include the Spirit? or angels? WHY not?

      22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? — He is antichrist, — that denieth the Father and the Son.

      this is off the WWW
      The Catholic Encyclopedia admits the Trinity is not biblical,
      Catholic authority says that the Trinity “is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

      The Catholic Encyclopedia comments: “In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together.
      The word τρίας [tri′as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180.”

      The New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament].”
      Update : The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) discusses the Trinity at length and admits:

      “The Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention”

      The formulation of ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.” End of Quote;

      • Alan Schuetz

        Matthew 12:31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. (NASB)

        • Truthseeker

          Alan I received my Father’s Spirit by the laying on of hands 50 years ago, by saying the Father’s Spirit is not an entity is not blasphemy, by stating there is no such thing as a trinity I have only spoken the truth.

          Why does John call the spirit a seed, a sperma?

          9 Whosoever is –born (#1080) of God — doth not commit sin; for “his” (God’s) seed (#4690) remaineth in him: — and he cannot sin, — because he is born (#1080) of God.

          #4690 Seed sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seed

          And What impregnated Mary? 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, — before they came together ( before they has intercourse), she was found with child — of — the Holy “Ghost” Spirit.

          There is not much you espouse I find confirmed by the Word.

    • friends2you

      Your on spot with this comment, the trinity is 3 separate individuals acting on one cause, sort of like the architect drawing a plan and having a general contractor implement said plan thru a foreman and then the foreman tasks the workers which in turn creates the house.

      You use correct words to describe groups of individuals within Heavenly fathers kingdom, good for you, many do not know the correct manner. There is a belief God’s children have wing (angels) but it is not the case, only some have wings such as the cherubim guarding the tree of life. The Holy ghost is a spirit without a human body to act as Gods force throughout the world. We are all God’s children so we are all part of our father just as we fathers and mothers have part of us in our children. Back to the trinity, Our creator, his first born son and the Holy ghost (a spirit) are the three who spear headed our grand journey from spirit to human to spirit and finally for some a return to whence one started from.

      • Truthseeker

        friends2you

        If you will read the paper you will find the spirit is not a being — not— a separate entity. There is no trinity

        read the paper and then comment.

        Why does John call the Spirit a Seed?

        Strong’s Concordance

        #4690 Seed

        sperma: that which is sown, i.e. seed

        Original Word: σπέρμα, ατος, τό
        Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter

    • Truthseeker

      Buck

      I rarely, if ever, listen to or read some thing from a minister/preacher from the 40,000 flavors of so called christianity.

      I do not need men to tell me what the Word says.

      Did you read the paper? If so were the scriptures clear?

  • Truthseeker

    Destined remember at the beginning you attempted to shoo me away like I was a little bothersome little fly?

    Destined as you know well the Words of Jesus Christ are impossible for you to twist which is why you avoid them as much as possible, but I realize this must give you loads of anger and stress —I recommend baking soda to make your belly feel better.

  • Crazy times

    i”s the Holy Spirit part of a trinity? ” :shock: :roll:

    Of course it is acursedseeker :roll: ….Even if it was possible for you to use 1% of that SPOCK like LOGIC you claim to have !!!? one could clearly see that “God the Holy Spirit” SPEAKS to His People the CHURCHES.. ONLY [WHY WOULD HE BOTHER TO DO THAT IF THEY WERE WRONG IN THEIR CREED? and NOT His people?]…inso by Him speaking to the CHURCH of…., this infact PROVES their belief..CREED.. IS OF God (TRIUNITY) AS NOT ONCE while admonishing them does He say they are WRONG in this GLARING ISSUE UNBELIEVERS CONTINUALLY BRING AGAINST THEM, (that they are from Catholisum ) your no different than YOU FATHER… SATAN :twisted: always accusing the bretheren of God)… infact it’s the one thing they ALL have all in common Acts 2:44 the TRIUNITY of the Godhead is what ALL the CHURCHES believe in …go ask’um, any of um…and the SPIRIT SPEAKS TO THEM…. :arrow: NOT YOU APOSTATES!! who have NOTHING IN COMMON EXCEPT bashing TRIUNITY BELIEVERS….. the BRIDE

    but for not much longer as the RAPTURE is near and your NAKEDNESS ( and that the shame of your nakedness) will appear when the BRIDE DISAPPEARS.

    Maranatha to those called

    • Truthseeker

      crazy you can believe in that catholic invented doctrine till the cows come home BUT in the end it is a LIE and always will be a lie !

      as is your satanic rapture!

      By the way, what is the “ghost’s name, all I can find is wind, breath and spirit, even the angels have names?

      And can you explain why the Spirit of the Father never speaks in the first person?

      • Crazy times

        acursedseeker “you can believe in that catholic invented doctrine till the cows come home” :roll:

        Again were is your LOGIC SPOCK ? the ORTHORDOX CHURCH was *BEFORE CATHOLICISM the APOSTOLIC CHURCH was *BEFORE CATHOLICISM they ALSO believed in the TRIUNITY of the GODHEAD to this very day, GO ASK THEM, they’re still around to see…..So how can you say Catholics invented it ??….even an encyclopedia will show you those CHURCHES Beliefs were *BEFORE ROMES POPE by approx 600 yrs AD

        acursedone says….”By the way, what is the “ghost’s name,”

        Where did I say” Ghost “?….it’s you who lies!!! :twisted:

        Also I’ve proven by the Word and “as it is written” many times but you cannot receive it as your a contentious man who’s wasted 50 yrs going around Moses Mountain looking for eternal life but failed so far, as did those who were disobedient, DID NOT and WILL NOT enter the PROMISED Land, first to the jew and then the gentile today.

        The Godhead along with the Rapture and the parables will stay a mystery to you along with the churches, His bride and His Promises, :roll:

        “what I have accepted as truth for the last 50 years is false”….(You can say that again.)

        cursedone you belong to NOTHING no church you can speak of NOTHING, your a lone wolf screaming in the wilderness a Lost lawyer of the OLD testament when you SHOULD be embracing the Glorious NEW Testament of Faith alone in Christs sacrifice and be part of His Body HIS CHURCH, born of GOD,by THE HOLY SPIRIT as HE TALKS TO THEM HIS CHURCHES HIS PEOPLE…get it !!! ??

        I know you won’t as your seared through with a hot iron.

        Adieu

        • Truthseeker

          crazy the trinity was not invented until the end of the 4th century.

          And again all you have are words from your mouth — I live by the Words from the Mouth of GOD.

          your words — not so much — actually not at all.

          • Crazy times

            acursedseeker..”the trinity was not invented until the end of the 4th century.”

            :lol: :lol: :lol:

            by Whom ? show me this TRUTH in Scripture from the Words of Gods Mouth… :roll:

          • Truthseeker

            crazy

            this is off the WWW

            “The Catholic Encyclopedia admits the Trinity is not biblical,”

            Catholic authority says that the Trinity “is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

            The Catholic Encyclopedia comments: “In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together.
            The word τρίας [tri′as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180.”

            The New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament].”

            Update : The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) discusses the Trinity at length and admits:

            “The Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention”

            The formulation of ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.” End of Quote;

            Crazy there is no scripture in the old or the new proclaiming God is 3 in one.

            the few scriptures that even vaguely seem to allude to a trinity were added by Rome.. and the Catholic church admits it was invented.

            Please explain again why I should not DO what Jesus Christ taught and follow how He lived?

            I should not follow Christ but I should follow some preachers,, which preachers crazy -?

          • Crazy times

            acursed: you said

            “I live by the Words from the Mouth of GOD.”

            I said…then

            “show me this TRUTH :arrow: in Scripture from the Words of Gods Mouth… :roll:

            you THEN give me an opinion from 1967 NEW heretic Christians as if it was FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD…!!!??

            acursedone said… “there is no scripture in the old or the new proclaiming God is 3 in one.”the few scriptures that even vaguely seem to allude to a trinity were added by Rome.”

            I got news for you, I’ll reiterate that the Scriptures where there BEFORE Catholicism so they couldn’t have added anything UNLESS your talking about the CATHOLIC CANNONS/OPINIONs YOU USE? and that’s NOT THE WORD FROM GODS MOUTH I asked for..? so WHY do you use it for CORRECTION? on doctrines? to ME…??

            There are heaps of Scriptures ,shadows and types to reveal His being..is of 3.

            BUT

            YOU can’t see any Scriptures as HE WON”T let YOU :arrow: till you are BORN AGAIN “as it is written”YOU CANNOT *SEE* THE KINGDOM OF GOD”John 3:5 (NOR ENTER) “because you knowest not that thou art WRETCHED, and miserable, and POOR” IN SPIRIT, therefore :arrow: “BLIND, and naked”

            REPENT..acursedseeker so God can remove your Stupor the Veil over your CROOKED EYES….rev 3:17…..”anoint your eyes so that you may see.…” :idea:

            God as triunity is throughout Scripture and HE was there in Genesis 1:2 when the SPIRIT OF God hovered over the Earth before Anything and HE is here today in the TRUE CHURCH which was founded @Pentecost and Goes Up with His Bride when the Fullness of the Gentile COMES IN @the Rapture.

            IF you followed CHRIST as you claim?? you would DO as He did and BE BAPTIZED WITH “GOD” “THE HOLY SPIRIT”

            Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on Him :arrow: in a bodily form :idea:

            a HE

            and “HE will guild you in ALL TRUTHS He will not speak on his own;” John 16:13

            …not from some CATHOLIC NAYSAYING CANNON you quote… :shock:

          • Truthseeker

            Crazy

            So crazy you have seen Jesus Christ as KING of Kings sitting on the Throne of David with your own human eyes? —- Cause you are “born again”!

            Those that are “born’ of God, (not born again) will see the spirit kingdom of God when it comes down from the 3rd heaven. Remember the “Lord’s Prayer” “Thy kingdom come”. That government is coming to this earth.
            Born of God and born again are two different things.

            So that means you have seen the angels coming and going about that glorious Throne? Can you describe it for me?

            Peter, John and James saw a vision of the kingdom Mark 9:1, you have never even seen a vision. Have you as well seen Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah and King David??

            And also crazy that means you are invisible like the wind so even if you were in my house I could not see you?

            Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a bodily form´

            22 And the Holy Ghost spirit descended in a bodily shape like a dove – (sómatikos: “of the body”) upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

            Crazy the Spirit of the Father is like the body of a dove???

            Crazy no one can change your mind — that is God’s job , nothing I quote will make a difference.

      • Crazy times

        YOU SAID to me…”you can believe in that catholic invented doctrine till the cows come home BUT in the end :arrow: it is a LIE”

        Then WHY oh WHY are you using a 1967 publication to say they are telling the TRUTH..? that YOU believe in. go figure!!! :evil:

        • Crazy times

          1967 this is what I think of your quote….”For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine,”2 Timothy 4:3

          The last church (es) period is full of could have bins who’ve fallen away from the TRUTH which when fully understood, could have saved them …but alas too many false teachers like YOU
          who spread confusion and MAYHEM.

    • Truthseeker

      crazy if you want to cause me to repent from following Jesus Christ then all you must do is go through one of my papers and point by point show me when Christ makes a statement Like this one: “unless you be converted you can not enter the kingdom of God”

      crazy simply show that it really means unless you be “vaccinated” or “inverted” or “subverted” what ever the case may be, then when you have proven by scripture what I have accepted as truth for the last 50 years is false then crazy you will show everyone how wrong I have been and then if I do not repent then you can have me cast into the lake of fire.

      It is that simple crazy, just prove all things by the Word.

      • Crazy times

        Repent seeker you have NO ECCLESIAL aka CHURCH to talk of.. NONE….NO BODY so NO HEAD you’ve deceived YOURSELF :shock:

        “unless you be converted you can not enter the kingdom of God”

        So be converted to His Glorious NEW Testament and LIVE….as the HEAD lives eternal the BODY is to follow
        @the Spectacular Amazing RAPTURE

        • Truthseeker

          crazy what is it that must be converted?? exactly what is it?

          Christ said 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

          That does not sound like conversion to a contract?

          Crazy you know this is a waste of time I truly believe you are crazy.

          • Crazy times

            acursed:Hypocrite…. messages you wrote to buck and me

            “I live by the Words from the Mouth of GOD.”
            “I do not need men to tell me what the Word says.”
            “I rarely, *if ever*, listen to or read some thing from a minister/preacher from the 40,000 flavors of so called christianity.”

            Yet it’s YOU who…. Quotes Catholic teachings as TRUTH.,,,and THEN TWIST IT AGAIN by finishing with….. “BUT in the end it is a LIE and always will be a lie !”

            CRAZY TIMES…indeed!!!

            Hypocrite

          • Truthseeker

            Crazy

            I used the catholic admission concerning a trinity AS every one of the so called Christian churches that keeps Sunday, Easter, xmas, and believes in going to heaven, a trinity etc is a daughter of Rome – they all came out of her. They teach Rome’s doctrines.

            And crazy is that not a fact of history ?? I believe if you research you will find the trinity was invented by Rome – it is NOT a clear teaching in the OLD or in the NEW Testament.

          • Crazy times

            accursed said:”I used the catholic admission concerning a trinity”…..

            I know full well you do ? that’s amazing in itself as you spend 90% of your time bagging Catholic teaching !!! which you now see has… TRUTH..?? wow!

            which is then the OPPOSITE of your sentences :twisted:

            “I live by the Words from the Mouth of GOD.”
            “I do not need men to tell me what the Word says.”
            “I rarely, *if ever*, listen to or read some thing from a minister/preacher from the 40,000 flavors of so called christianity.”

            Hypocrite

            accursed said: a trinity etc is a daughter of Rome – they all came out of her. They teach Rome’s doctrines…..”And crazy is that not a fact of history “??

            NOPE !!! it’s a SDA LIE from the PIT!!!

            maybe in YOUR OWN fantasy accursed his-story that you follow ?.

            As I’ve already mentioned EVEN an encyclopedia on HISTORY of the Churches puts it, the same as Gods Word in the book of Revelation, to the seven churches.

            Apostolic (Ephesus) Church was BEFORE Catholics
            The Greek / Russian Orthodoxy CHURCHES were :arrow: BEFORE Catholics by approx 600 Yrs yes 600yrs :idea:

            :arrow: THAT’S A FACT :idea:

            These CHURCHES believed and STILL DO TODAY in the Triunity and they were :arrow: HUNDREDS of YEARS BEFORE ROME :idea: They’re still around today SO Go and ask’um the Greeks and the Russians and their fellow brethren in the Middle East the Apostolic and Coptic CHURCHES ask them to DENY THE TRINITY …So as I’VE TOLD YOU BEFORE your his-story is as FAKE as YOU and YOUR STORIES you write here on Bin. :twisted:

            accursed one lol, your NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN so why spent so much of your last months bagging Gods People ? the ones HE speaks too, His Churches ? your doing a disservice to yourself,your family and God.. :roll:

            accursed said: “the trinity was invented by Rome”….Clearly HISTORY PROVES this is an absolute LIE from the FATHER OF LIES and his brood!!!of accursed ones.

            accursed said” it is NOT a clear teaching in the OLD or in the NEW Testament.”

            then “‘Ask Seek and you will find”, “to him who has, more will be given”

            Luke 3:22 “and the Holy Spirit descended on Him in a bodily form”´ It’s clear enough as it is, this doesn’t need your twisted version from your SDA reformed catholic weekly publication or whatever you use these days.

  • Mayhem

    How do you deal with 2 Cor 3:17?

    “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”

    • Crazy times

      No problem as a Triunity believer as God is a Holy Spirit

      • Truthseeker

        And that Holy Spirit can be — “poured ” exactly like oil and water which represents the Holy Spirit.

        Did you ever wonder why oil and water is used by God to represent His Spirit?

        Joel 2: 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

        Acts 2; 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

        17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, —- I will pour out of my Spirit —upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

        Crazy was the body of a dove poured out?

        18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens— I will pour out in those days of “my” Spirit; — and they shall prophesy:

        the Spirit that is poured out belongs to the Father.

        • Damien

          T Roofer

          WHY would the Father have a Ghost numbnuts? :roll:

  • Truthseeker

    Destined by your silence are you admitting what you teach does not have it’s origins in the Word of God?

    that appears to be the case but no matter — you will continue to attempt to sell your “stuff” to some poor fellow.

    so sad

  • Helen

    My advice would be to not fall into this 666, world information collection ploy.

    666 – god the man, god the children of the man and god the spirit of subliminal technology. WE have been studied for years and those in power of the “unseen” want much to collect all they can and copy cat all they can to fool the nations. Satan always wants to rule. IT thinks it has all the beauty, all the material insight, and all the powers over humans by force of our weak flesh tendencies.

    the War is because many who believe the scriputures and are gifted in Wisdom understand what is taking place. War is that we know too much. War is that the ego man wants to continue it’s controll of it’s children though lying ways and think we will just keep on believing anything just because we can’t see the truth of technology or the unseen.

    Once I saw a woman from Europe first time in the U.S. go to Disney in the Tikki Hut. It began to storm and rain inside the set. Panic happened for care of family outside. We all know it was part of the play. The scene. It took technology to create a believable event to cause this lovely lady to fret over loved ones outside in the storm. NOT FUNNY! You know the truth and think it’s funny. YOU know the TRUTH! What if you didn’t or only knew half of it? NOT FUNNY

    We have been warned of the truth and what is to come upon us.

    One day a man will claim to be the Messiah of the WORLD and will be of flesh not a new form of spiritual being. NO FLESH and HE will think he will be god and will have a spirit inside that will lead him with all the technology input in the world wide collection web.

    Peace Peace but no peace. There is no peace in lies because TRUTH always reigns and demands justice. It’s a part of CREATION.

    Do not give pearls to swine. Do not give away that which is righteous to those who have dark intentions and hearts. THis is NOT a righteous techological system we live in today therefore , war will have to be to let truth live. It’s inevitable. Watch who will spend all it has to claim it all and use it to rule.

    The story of Satan in the garden….. to know the truth and you will not surely die! The Heavens said now, they (humans) are one of US knowing right from wrong. Who on Earth, as a baby human knows the truth of eternity? Really folks. Have we sold our GOD given rights to this power that has had us since the garden? We are just being bumped up as we also learn. Keep the status. The ruling way is just adjusting to us evolving inside.

    War is in the Heavens first with spiritual beings we do not see. Good and BAD. So chose today whom you will serve.

    Righteous freedom in truth with powers of information of good and bad, forced power in war in manipulation of information.

    God will prove Himself even to the ones decieved and don’t believe in HIM. Why do you think He gave all mankind a brain to think anyway. NO human got this just from a blob! Technology came from somewhere and it costs more than what is revealed. We are spirit as well and we have been in touch through old manuscipts of truth. They survivied because it was meant to. We have free will and that is LOVE. Darkness and information do not understand, free will, love, sacrifice. IT is dead. IT is just facts. IT does without wisdom reason eternal.

    Those who try to copy the 777 of YAHWEH will know the truth one day. HE is not mocked! And yes, we are spiritual as welll and will not die. So half truths are always dangerous!

    GOD the FATHER (CREATOR), GOD the SON (ALL CREATED FROM) GOD the HOLY (set apart perfect) SPIRIT. NOT technology but a being in another dimention who is pure righteousness. (heaven)

    GOD the FATHER, GOD the Son, GOD the Holy Spirit. This is the whole Charecter of the unseen CREATOR GOD.
    Chew on that and gain wisdom of eternal which we all are. The fight has been in place for our souls a long time ago. That is what the scripture is all about.

    Fallen angels are claiming god. Holy Angels would never do such a thing! See the differences.

  • Truthseeker

    crazy, and all you folks fooled and completely deceived by the false doctrine of a trinity. a Doctrine, admittedly invented by Rome.

    John 7

    37 In the last day, that great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

    On the 8th Day of the Feast of Tabernacles, Jesus kept all of God’s Holy Feasts, which is called “The Last Great Day”, Jesus Christ equated the Father’s Spirit to living water.

    38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, ——out of his belly shall flow rivers of “”living water”".

    39 (But this spake he of the —- “”Spirit”"” —– which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet — [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. )

    Jesus Christ spoke of the Holy Spirit as living water — living water is a person? an entity? a third in the GOD head??

    So this “ghost” LOL, will flow out of our bellies like water?? I wonder who it was that first called it a ghost?? One of the popes?

    You folks work so hard to force the Word of God to teach what you want it to teach — which is why you must over look so many scriptures.

    And by the way no one including the Apostles had the Spirit dwelling in them until 50 days after the resurrection of Christ. the Spirit was first poured out from heaven on the Feast of Pentecost.

    The Spirit of the Father which has no name but wind, breath and spirit, never speaks in the first person, can be poured like water and oil and is described as oil and water —- is a third person in some magical ‘closed’ triangle ??? father – son and a “ghost”??

    Who would believe something that stupid? Satan knew you would.

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