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Cop to Other Cops: No Such Thing As Excessive Force

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Amanda Warren
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When Reddit user Denyborg posted the following title – “This is why the police can’t be trusted to investigate themselves…” - I thought it might be highlighting problems during investigations of police which are almost never conducted by unbiased independent parties. I thought it might be a situation like this one where investigators defend an officer caught lying during the process – the officer abused his power to harass and even steal the online identity of a demonstrator –  and they all enjoyed a good brotherly laugh.

No, his reason for posting a concern about police investigating themselves is much more poignant and cause for alarm. Imagine my surprise when it actually linked to an article by Duane Wolfe, a retired cop writing to other cops on Policeone.com.

The article entitled “5 common use-of-force myths debunked,” is just that – a treatise for debunking the idea that there is such a thing as too much force during an encounter with a suspect. Unfortunately, while the term “suspect” is used to conjure up imagery of an escaping bank robber who might be armed – in actuality, any citizen is considered suspect.

That’s why his five “myths” could be construed as troubling to a rational mind who might ponder what causes a “peace officer” to brutalize or draw guns on someone they’ve just pulled over. If this really is how the majority of police think, then it decimates any illusions of safety in their presence.

Here are the bullet pointed myths he’d like to rectify:

  • Myth #1: Officers must use a minimal level of force to overcome the suspect resistance. 
  • Myth #2: You may only use one level of force above a suspect’s level of resistance. 
  • Myth #3: Presence and verbal commands are the two lowest levels of use of force. 
  • Myth #4: Force continuums work, or even make any sense.

And the kicker:

  • Myth #5: That ‘Excessive Force’ is really a thing.

He expands on the fifth note:

If five officers would say the force was reasonable, it should be judged reasonable. If five officers would say it was unreasonable, it is judged unreasonable. If four officers would say it is unreasonable and one officer was to say it was reasonable, it should be ruled as reasonable.

Well, that certainly is comforting… It’s not like the brothers in blue would ever cross a line to protect another from scrutiny. See: Watch as Investigators Protect Police Chief Lying on Film Check my previous articles or look for more – they lie on reports with no repercussions after caught falsifying them.

If you think the mentality of that remains with him only – guess again. Seattle cops sued the city because they felt the crimps on excessive force were – *cough* – unconstitutional…. Not to mention, Wolfe is accurate in describing that officers can fall back on a Supreme Court case: Graham v. Connor. You should read it too. If my eyes don’t deceive me, it really appears there is no such thing as excessive force on behalf of police. You can read 16 other ways SCOTUS has allowed unfettered police use of force here.

Currently – and at least 20 years too late – the corporate-run (mainstream) media and late night comedy/political shows are starting to point out growing problems with police corruption like indiscriminately blasting away family pets, using tasers on vulnerable people for minor infractions, literal highway robbery through civil asset forfeiture, rape, and the lack of data surrounding just how many Americans are killed by their police force each year.

Meanwhile, primetime television has kept another myth burning – that the men in blue are heroes who endanger their lives to keep you safe and must make quick decisions which sometimes leads to casualties of innocents. How unfortunate…but, you gotta break a few legs…er…eggs every now and again.

Police officers, like anyone else, have a right to self-defense against harm. Obviously, this is not what I’m referring to here and this is not where force is applied most of the time. They should not be allowed, nor should they want to, apply Graham v. Connor to slam and taser pregnant women, shoot and kill subdued and unarmed boys because they are impatient, slam a girl’s head into the pavement and leave her dead in handcuffs, have five officers kick, punch and pile onto someone they wish to arrest or beat anyone subdued and in handcuffs. A person in handcuffs and on their way to jail has a right to remain unmolested in the process.

In most people’s minds, this would be the worst possible time to encourage more use of force and deem that it can never be too excessive.

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Source: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/11/cop-to-other-cops-no-such-thing-as.html


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    • The Blizzard

      I haven’t trusted or had respect for the raping murderers for 20 some odd years now. In reality they are domestic terrorists. It’s them against us.

    • MissingRonnieR

      Here is what will happen. The public has grown tired of abusive cops. Soon they will all wear camera’s. This will expose the majority for what they are., uneducated, slow whited oafs. The standards will change, the pay will increase and we will see a generation of true professionals.

      • neanderthal

        Here is what has happened, we carry and are cocked. we will show up for court and go to their funeral.

        If you do not abeid by the constitution then you are the terrorist.

    • Anonymous

      When it come’s to extra smarts, the IQ, is not there. They all need to be tested for ‘roids’.

    • Anonymous

      It will come back to haunt them.

    • desertspeaks

      ALL government employees have heard that the laws automatically apply to everyone within a state, it is their opinion that the laws apply, they believe the laws apply, the assume and presume the laws apply. HOWEVER, hearsay, opinions, beliefs, assumptions and presumptions aren’t actual evidence of anything but a delusional statist psychopathy.

      WHERE is their personal first hand evidence that irrefutably PROVES that the CONstitution and laws automatically apply to a private person just because they are physically within the fictional exterior borders of a state??

      Keep a few things in mind while you’re scrambling to provide us with your incontrovertible, irrefutable evidence.

      1) Per the govts own law, slavery and involuntary servitude is ILLEGAL! I presume you knew this.

      2) It is res judicata that the PRIVATE PERSON is NOT a party to the CONstitution “federal or state” ..
      For instance;
      Padelford, Fay & Co., vs. Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah 14 Ga. 438, 520 “But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it.”
      You must also be aware that no private person is a signatory to the CONstitution “fed/state”

      3) FACTUALLY the state, “in any incarnation” is nothing more than a private for profit corporate fiction.. it only exists as words on paper and a flesh and blood living being cannot exist within the pages of a dead fiction! “the ground is not the state and the state is not the ground”
      FOR INSTANCE the STATE OF TEXAS is a corporation, as are all states, counties, cities, alphabet agencies, districts, courts, etc etc
      http://www.manta.com/c/mmbqlqh/state-of-texas?ftoggle-frontend-prod-on=abTests.engagement.rebrand_b&utm_expid=82789632-28.8lnfedsNQjG3oZCVLzbKbw.3&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fbeforeitsnews.com%2Fr2%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.manta.com%2Fc%2Fmmbqlqh%2Fstate-of-texas If this doesn’t suffice for you, contact your nearest favorite fraudulent government agency and have them give you their DUNS NUMBER!

      4) the private people have not “nor are required to” swear an oath to be bound by and obey the CONstitution “fed/state” nor any promulgations from, of, or by it’s alleged authority “ie; laws/codes/statutes/policies”! All of the “private for profit corporations that masquerades as government” employees are required to swear an oath that obligates them to obey the corporate CONstitution and all of it’s promulgated laws, codes, statutes, policies, etc.. This leads them to believe that their laws apply to everyone.

      Supreme court; Vlandis v. Kline, 412 US 441 –an irreversible and irrebuttable statutory presumption is a due process violation. “per their own laws”

      U.S. v. BAILEY 696 F.3d 794 (2012) a complaint is merely an accusation of conduct and not, of course, proof that the conduct alleged occurred.
      All a complaint establishes is knowledge of what a plaintiff claims. It does not establish the truth of either the facts asserted in the complaint, or of the law asserted in the complaint.

      The Clara, 102 U.S. 200 The fact not appearing is presumed not to exist.

      “The United States Government is a foreign (municipal) CORPORATION .” Volume 20: Corpus Juris Secundum, (P 1785: NY re: Merriam 36 N.E. 505 1441 S.Ct. 1973, 41 L. Ed. 287)

      28 USC 3002
      (15) “United States” means—
      (A) a Federal corporation;
      http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002

      Congressman West Of Florida Admits The United States Is A CORPORATION Incorporation Date 4/19/89 File No. 2193946 Registered in Delaware Congressman West: The United States Is A CORPORATION

      Ok , I await with great anticipation to see your incontrovertible irrefutable evidence that proves that the laws are applicable to someone just because they are physically in a state!!! Good luck though.. judges, prosecutors and thousands of the corporations employees can’t seem to locate such evidence! 

      • neanderthal

        you better understand one thing “desertspeaks”
        When you go to court unless it is a civil matter you are in “commercial jusristiction” GET IT.
        IF Not you are stupid.

        • desertspeaks

          WHERE IS YOUR IRREFUTABLE INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE PROVING THAT THEIR CONSTITUTION AND LAWS APPLY TO THE PRIVATE PERSON??
          Oh that’s right, you DON’T HAVE ANY!! you just want to FLAP YOUR GUMS!
          Be gone kool aid drinker! Your indoctrination is complete!

    • truthlovingsoul

      that knife cuts both ways, traitors.

    • neanderthal

      I like it.

      That is what we the people say now.

      Cop to Other Cops: No Such Thing As Excessive Force

      Free man to Free man : No Such Thing As Excessive Force

      JUST DO IT and remember,

      It is the one who shows up in court that matters for dead men can not talk.

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