Legacy Media Is Burning Out, so What Might the Internet Offer Next? - Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

“We suffer from a terrible poverty of civic discourse in this country. Surely, it is outside of America’s best traditions to send the signal that patriotism is mindless emotion, that leadership is avoiding saying tough things, that citizenship is toeing the line. But such is the result of a lack of openness, our nervousness with debate.”

Geneva Overholser, journalist

On Season 4 Episode 30 of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, Jordan Peterson is joined by Michael Malice. This interesting discussion centers on Mr. Malaice’s book called, “The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics”. Published in May 2019, the Internet interactions and impact on the political landscape is followed using the 4chan platform as a starting point before expanding to other related topics where the Internat made an impact.

The video was uploaded on 14 June 2021.

Malice, or the Establishment? | Michael Malice | The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch/L9HqHzA3atQ

VIDEO CONTENTS

[00:00] Intro
[0:18] Jordan introduces this episode’s guest Michael Malice, an online personality and author with a quick wit and sharp sometimes abrasive sense of humor.
[2:00] Jordan selects Michael’s book the New Right, and specifically 4chan, as the discussion starter for the show
[5:30] Discussing the changing nature and cost of voicing one’s true opinion to the world
[9:30] The specific type of testing “trolling” of established authoritative institutions. Michael admits that everyone makes mistakes from time to time even the media, but it’s how you handle the mistake (covering it up or admitting to the error) that makes the distinction in how he views media institutions
[12:30] Malice outlines the specifics of 4chan for those who may not be familiar with the platform.
[17:00] What about 4chan made it such a hospitable place for the New Right as Michael calls them. Michael defines what he views “trolling” to be.
[21:30] Jordan comments that the extreme contempt he sees coming from the Left for average working-class people and to some degree the downtrodden of society. Michael explains how he thinks Trump was able to win these people over when they felt abandoned by the democratic party
[32:00] Jordan digs into memes, looking at examples from his own experience being meme’d many times
[40:30] Legacy media is burning out so what is next? Examining the positives and drawbacks of the network TV format.
[52:00] Talking about Michael’s more anarchical views of America contrasted with Jordans hesitations to complete fragmentation and separation of the two more dichotomous types of individuals in western society, being the conservative and the liberal.
[1:00:00] Playing “games” cooperating with different viewpoints to keep the country functioning
[1:05:30] Micheal describes his estimate of who the elite are. Jordan plays the role of a defender of the patriarchy to counter. Michael outlines one of his core premises that he doesn’t want others to tell him what he should inherently value.
[1:20:30] The two debaters circle back to the engaging aspects of podcast format
[1:25:30] Jordan revisits and tries to sum up where he feels Michaels distaste for established powers stems from.
[1:29:30] Malice asks Jordan if he has engaged on 4chan. Michael continues to make his point that structure and corruption can not be separated from institutions. Both comment on giving people the encouragement to be a better version of themselves to strive towards
[1:36:20] Michael’s issue with the deification of the intellectual class in all aspects. Jordan gives his assessment of his time at Harvard and the people there, in the ’90s at least. They continue exploring differing views on inherent corruption in politics.
[1:51:00] The marriage of truth and humor, Malice gives an example from his book Dear Reader: The North Korea Book. Looking at the satire in the movie The Death of Stalin
[2:03:00] Jordan responds on the importance of staying on the right side of funny
[2:09:00] Wrapping up the show, one last question from Michael

Jordan B. Peterson is a Canadian professor of psychology, clinical psychologist, YouTube personality and author. He began to receive widespread attention in late 2010 for his views on cultural and political issues, often described as conservative. He is considered to be a member of the intellectual dark web. 

https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/podcast/ 

Michael Malice is a New York City-based author, podcaster, columnist, and media personality. He is a champion and proponent of free speech, anarchy, and many other non-mainstream ideals.

From Goodreads…

The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics
Author: Michael Malice, First published May 14, 2019 — 320 pages 

“The definitive firsthand account of the movement that permanently broke the American political consensus.

What do internet trolls, economic populists, white nationalists, techno-anarchists and Alex Jones have in common? Nothing, except for an unremitting hatred of evangelical progressivism and the so-called “Cathedral” from whence it pours forth.

Contrary to the dissembling explanations from the corporate press, this movement did not emerge overnight–nor are its varied subgroups in any sense interchangeable with one another. As united by their opposition as they are divided by their goals, the members of the New Right are willfully suspicious of those in the mainstream who would seek to tell their story. Fortunately, author Michael Malice was there from the very inception, and in The New Right recounts their tale from the beginning.

Malice provides an authoritative and unbiased portrait of the New Right as a movement of ideas–ideas that he traces to surprisingly diverse ideological roots. From the heterodox right wing of the 1940s to the Buchanan/Rothbard alliance of 1992 and all the way through to what he witnessed personally in Charlottesville, The New Right is a thorough firsthand accounting of the concepts, characters and chronology of this widely misunderstood sociopolitical phenomenon.

Today’s fringe is tomorrow’s orthodoxy. As entertaining as it is informative, The New Right is required reading for every American across the spectrum who would like to learn more about the past, present and future of our divided political culture.”