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Gog, Magog…Russia and the Rapture?

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We repeatedly find prophecy writers who try in vain to apply Old Testament fulfilled prophecies to current events. What’s surprising is that they claim to interpret the Bible literally. For them horses mean “horsepower,” bows and arrows mean “missile launchers and missiles,” and chariots mean “tanks.” But in the case of Ezekiel 38-39, these prophecy speculators really get things wrong.

The God and Magog End-Time Alliance

What if we read Ezekiel 38 and 39 literally? Is it possible that the Gog and Magog alliance that was designed ‘to destroy, to kill and to annihilate all the Jews, both young and old, women and children’ has already taken place? That’s exactly what The Gog and Magog End-Time Alliance attempts to show.

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In the commentary below from my good friend Robert Cruickshank, the prophetic speculation of the article “Who is Gog and Magog in Bible Prophecy” really goes off the rails since according to their prophetic system, the battle of Gog and Magog does not take place until near the end of the thousand years in Revelation 20:8. This means, given the operating assumptions of the pre-trib rapture theory, the battle of Gog and Magog is at least 1007 years away! Revelation’s use of Gog and Magog is like the way it uses “Jezebel” (2:20-23), “Sodom and Egypt” (11:8), and “Babylon” (17-18), symbols applied to events in the lead up to the destruction of Jerusalem that took place in AD 70. As Robert shows, if you take Ezekiel’s prophecy at its word, it was fulfilled in the historical events found in the book of Esther. It’s all there for anyone who cares to take a close look. — Gary DeMar


My good friend, Joel Rosenauer, has a saying: “When there is a lack of information, there are overactive imaginations.”

Overactive imaginations seem to be running wild in an article by Steppes of Faith titled “Who is Gog and Magog in Bible Prophecy.”[1] According to the article, the infamous “Gog of the Land Magog” (Ezekiel 38-39) will wait until after the rapture to invade Israel. And why will this prophetic villain wait until after the rapture? Because the United States will be the hardest hit by the rapture—giving Gog the perfect opportunity to make his move. They, of course, understand Gog and Magog in terms of modern-day Russia. In the article, Steppes of Faith appeals to a theory by “respected theologist Ron Rhodes” (as they call him) to put it all together for us:

After the Rapture, the world will be in a state of mayhem. Rhodes’ theory states that the United Sates—with a heavy Christian population—will have one of the most significant impacts from the rapture. Russia and its Muslim allies will take advantage of the U.S.’s weakened state and launch a massive attack on Israel, which the U.S. had protected until this time.

Lack of information is precisely the problem with this approach to the Gog and Magog prophecy of Ezekiel 38-39. As Gary DeMar and others have demonstrated, this prophecy finds its fulfillment in history’s past and not in our future.[2] Specifically, the prophecy finds its fulfillment in the book of Esther and the failed attempt of Haman the Agagite to wipe out the Jewish people.

But Steppes of Faith attempts to give us four reasons why “we can say with certainty that Gog is a future person and not someone from the Bible’s past.”

“1. No one has ever invaded Israel to the degree described in Ezekiel 38-39.”

The battle in Esther more than meets the criteria for something of the scope and size of that which is described in Ezekiel 38-39. When all was said and done, the Jews annihilated over 75,000 of their enemies throughout all the provinces of the entire Persian Empire (Esther 9:6, 12, 16). This is a greater number of fatalities than the American Revolutionary War (25,000), the Korean War (36,516) or the war in Vietnam (58,209). What is described in Ezekiel is epic and huge, as is that which is described in Esther.

“2. There has never been an attack on Israel involving the nations Ezekiel mentions.”

The nations mentioned by Ezekiel (Ezekiel 38:5-6) were all part of the Persian Empire of his day, and the attack in Esther comes from the 127 provinces of the Persian Empire of her day (Esth. 8:1, 9). As James Jordan writes: “…the explicit idea that the Jews were attacked by people from all the provinces of Persia is in both passages.”[3] In fact, Ezekiel and Esther both specifically mention Ethiopia (Cush) and Persia (Ezek. 38:5; Esther 1:1, 3). The other nations Ezekiel mentions would have fallen within the boundaries of the Persian Empire of Esther’s day which “extended from India to Cush, 127 provinces” in all (Esther 8:9).

“3. Respectively, Ezekiel 38:6 and 16 both say the attack would occur in ‘the latter years’ and ‘in the last days,’ two phrases frequently used to describe unfulfilled prophetic events.”

Of course, they would have been “unfulfilled” when the prophecy was originally given, but this in no way means they remain “unfulfilled” today—2600 years later. According to the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, in and of themselves, these expressions simply mean “in the after(wards) of days,” “in the following days,” “in the course of time,” “in the future.”[4]

Accordingly, the Brown-Driver-Briggs (BDB) Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament translates Ezekiel 38:16 as “in the end of days” and defines it as “a prophetic phrase denoting the final period of the history so far as the speaker’s perspective reaches; thus the sense varies with the context….”[5] Ezekiel is writing sometime after the Babylonian exile, and the events of the book of Esther take place shortly after the return from exile. This fits the historical context “of the speaker’s perspective.”

Regarding the usage of these phrases in Ezekiel 38, Daniel Block writes: “Unlike Daniel 2:28 and 10:14, where it serves technically for the eschaton, here both expressions refer simply to a later time, when the historical phase of the exile is over and the new period of settlement in the land has arrived.”[6] The historical phase of the exile was over, and the new period of settlement had arrived, in the books of Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther.

“4. Ezekiel 38:8, 12 says the attack would not occur until the Jews had been ‘gathered from many people.’ Note this does not refer to Israel’s freedom from exile from places such as Babylon. Rather, it refers to people returning to Israel from around the world, which is occurring in modern times.”

Cyrus’ decree to call the Israelites back home after the exile was issued not merely in Babylon alone, but throughout his entire Kingdom (Ezra 1:1). As a result of this proclamation, Ezra tells us that “all” the sons of Israel were dwelling “in their own cities” and were “gathered together as one man” (Ezra 2:70; 3:1). Even the Assyrians, who had taken the 10 northern tribes captive 136 years prior to the Babylonian exile of Judah, were fully assisting in the restoration effort (Ezra 6:22). And Mordecai (Esther’s older cousin) himself is mentioned by name as one of the returning exiles (Ezra 2:2), thus dove-tailing these events with the book of Esther.

Cyrus’ proclamation was far-reaching and involved a regathering of God’s People from the entire known world of that era. This occurred in the due course of time from Ezekiel’s perspective. The resulting attack upon the Jews, after this return, involves the very nations that Ezekiel mentions. The scope and size of the attempted attack, along with the magnitude of victory for God’s People, aptly satisfy the conditions specified in Ezekiel 38-39.

An informed reader of Scripture need not look to modern-day Russia or wait until after the supposed rapture to find the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy. The answers aren’t in the latest news headlines, nor are they in future news headlines. They’re right there in the pages of our Bible. Right there, in the book of Esther. There is no need for an overactive imagination when we simply let Scripture interpret Scripture.

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In this authoritative book, Gary DeMar clears the haze of ‘end-times’ fever, shedding light on the most difficult and studied prophetic passages in the Bible, including Daniel 7:13-14; 9:24-27; Matt. 16:27-28; 24-25; Thess. 2; 2 Peter 3:3-13, and clearly explaining a host of other controversial topics.

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[1] http://www.steppesoffaith.com/apologetics/gog-magog-bible-prophecy

[2] Gary DeMar, The Gog and Magog End Time Alliance (Powder Springs, GA: American Vision, 2016). For a nice summary of how Ezekiel 38-39 interlocks with the book of Esther, see: https://preteristpapers.com/48-who-was-gog/ and https://kaysercommentary.com/Sermons/Old%20Testament/Esther/battle%20of%20Ezek.md

[3] James B. Jordan, Esther in the Midst of Covenant History, p. 7.

[4] H. Seebass, TDOT, 1:210-212.

[5] Francis Brown, S. R. Driver, and Charles Briggs, eds., A Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament (Oxford University Press, [1907] 1976), 31. Emphasis added.

[6] Daniel I. Block, The Book of Ezekiel: Chapters 25-48 (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1998), 443.

American Vision’s mission is to Restore America to its Biblical Foundation—from Genesis to Revelation. American Vision (AV) has been at the heart of worldview study since 1978, providing resources to exhort Christian families and individuals to live by a Biblically based worldview. Visit www.AmericanVision.org for more information, content and resources


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    • Gordon

      Old testament prophetic passages tap into “types and shadows”, so that what was once sited as an OT event does find relevance in the NT. Maybe we should be asking what part of the Magog and Gog event as outlined wasn’t fulfilled first time around.

      • Anonymous

        you like your little infantile fantasy eh gore don–==both the old and new testicles,er,testyment is a complete work of bullshit–but your too low IQ to investigate the facts how the bile,er,bible was written–the word of devil men like you–awful evil mf ers,like you gore don wrote all that crap and you quote it like it means something

        • Gordon

          You speak for God in your rants, but fail to quote anyone but your stubborn self. Don’t you know that the very book that you mock is that which speaks of the life and message of Jesus; the one you purport to love.
          John 1:1,14
          1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
          14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

          • Anonymous

            your a moron gore don–the bible is all bullshit–written by homo(your type) men living in caves after getting run out of monsateries for doing homo shit with each other–you have no original thought–like a robot all you can do is quote the book of lies–your a low IQ sock sucker gore don–dumb as hell,end of arguement ,jackass

    • Twinflame1111

      March 2023 – The Latest News From “The Big Man Upstairs” is that mankind may well be staying put on Earth for the foreseeable future.

      We will all get “A New Earth” and “A New Messiah”.

      Hopefully Almighty God grants us ALL a healthy young eternal immortal body as we would have got in heaven.

      Take care all!

      God bless all!

      https://archive.org/details/twinflame-1111-time-loop-interdimensional-ebook-twinflame-1111-2022/mode/1up

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