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Petraeus: U.S Response to a Russian Nuke Used? Lead a Tactical Nuclear War

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Now that the drums are  beating for a possible “tactical”nuclear war over Ukraine, just why are we willing to continue this dance with Putin? The Appearance from General Petraeus from this past Sunday’s  ABC’s “This Week” has gone largely unnoticed. It seems a little nuclear war won’t be so bad.

“We would respond by leading a NATO, a collective effort, that would take out every Russian conventional force that we can see and identify on the battlefield in Ukraine and also in Crimea and every ship in the Black Sea,” Petraeus replied.

Karl noted radiation from a nuclear attack in Ukraine would also likely reach nearby NATO countries, effectively making it an attack on the alliance. “Yes. And perhaps you can make that case. The other case is that this is so horrific that there has to be a response”

First  the foundation. Then our intrepid Mustang will put his shoulder to the plow and add his thoughts.

President Joe Biden’s Vice President Kamala Harris explained the Russia-Ukraine conflict and said, “Ukraine is a country in Europe,” during a segment on 93.9 WKYS’s “The Morning Hustle” on 3/1/2022.

Then Russia has no path to victory in its war against Ukraine even with the threat of nuclear escalation says Gen. David Petraeus on ABC’s “This Week”

Mustang picks up the story here.

But if we are being honest, we must admit that since Biden took his oath of office, Washington politics has been pretty damn entertaining to most of the rest of the world.  Uproariously entertaining, even.  I wonder if people laughed as Rome burned to the ground.
Well, this has been going on for a while.  What were “we the people” thinking while our Washington insiders (people who are “in the know”) decided to intervene in such places as Serbia, Somalia, Syria, or Libya?  Were we thinking, “Yeah — let’s kick some ass!”? 
Did we ever ask, “Is this (fill in the blank) crisis worth even one drop of blood of a young American soldier?”  I suspect not — which means that there was no flood of mail clogging up the postal system inside the House of Representatives … and OUR silence gave the green light to the Beltway Nabobs to do their worst … and they did.
I have to be honest here and say that I’ve never given much thought to Ukraine until it was revealed to me that Joe Biden and his son were somehow involved in a corruption scheme that made both of them richer — while Biden was serving as vice president of the United States. 
Should I have been paying better attention?  Maybe.  But the fact is that Ukraine has never been a nation-state at any time before 1991.  If Ukraine didn’t belong to the Russians, it belonged to the Poles or Lithuanians.  Before that, it belonged to neanderthal tribalists. 
Why are we NOW risking global war for Ukrainians who are no different from the Russians in any category you choose to identify?
If war isn’t scary enough for you, try to imagine an entire world entering the cold winter of economic collapse.  Are you living in New England?  Do you think that the cost of Russian oil matters to your household budget?  Your cost, by the way, doesn’t come as a result of some heroic enterprise to free enslaved people — it is the result of choosing the wrong people to lead the nation. 
Well, that is, if you were even paying attention.  If you haven’t been paying attention, you aren’t alone.  But you’d better start paying attention.  Your life, and that of your loved ones, depends on it.
James H. Kunstler (1948-) is an author and social critic.  Here’s what he has to say about our madness:

“Let us agree that the place called Ukraine was never any of America’s business.  For centuries we ignored it, through all the colorful cavalry charges to-and-fro of Turks and Tatars, the reign of the dashing Zaporizhian Cossacks, the cruel abuses of Stalin, then Hitler, and the dull, gray Khrushchev-to-Yeltsin years.  But then, having destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, and sundry other places all on a great hegemonic lark, the professional warmongers of our land and their catamites in Washington made Ukraine their next special project.  

They engineered the 2014 coup in Kyiv that ousted the elected president, Mr. Yanukovych, to set up a giant grifting parlor and international money-laundromat.  The other strategic aim was to prepare Ukraine for NATO membership, which would have made it, in effect, a forward missile base right up against Russia’s border. Because, well, Russia, Russia, Russia!

We are wondering whether Washington’s Ukraine policy is worth its cost to America’s present and future generations.  We don’t have to be historians to figure out the answer to this question.  Even a brief look back to 1991 reveals that every Ukrainian presidential election illustrates a nation split between pro-Russian and anti-Russian sentiments. 
It is a fact that begs the question: Isn’t this an issue Ukrainians should figure out for themselves?  In any case, here’s what the election map looked like in 2010 — sentiments that are remarkably unchanged today.  Still, there’s a problem …

Alexander G. Markovsky is a member of the London Center for Policy Research (founded by conservative Herbert I. London in 2012).  He offers this insight into the issue of America’s involvement in the affairs of Ukraine:
“Today’s Ukrainian civil war is thus greatly exacerbated by the fact that unlike pluralistic societies such as the USA, Canada, Switzerland, and Russia, which are tolerant of different cultures, religions, and languages, Ukraine is not.  Unsurprisingly, devotion to pluralism proved not to be her forte. Even though the Kyiv regime had no historical roots in the real estate it inhabited, it imposed Ukrainian rules and the Ukrainian language on non-Ukrainian people after declaring independence.
“As a result, pro-Russian sentiments – ranging from the recognition of the official status of the Russian language to outright secession – have always been prevalent in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Western Ukraine has always gravitated toward its Polish, Romanian, and Hungarian roots. Emphatically anti-Russian, Poland may not miss this strategic opportunity to re-acquire its land and avenge the humiliation inflicted by the Yalta Conference.

“The West’s insistence on maintaining the status quo of the Ukrainian borders established by Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler exposes the disconnect between strategic doctrine and moral principles.
“Indeed, Poles make no secret of their ambitions. Polish President Andrzej Duda, recently declared, “For decades, and maybe, God forbid, for centuries, there will be no more borders between our countries – Poland and Ukraine. There will be no such border!”

“Romania is not far behind, especially in light of many inhabitants of former Northern Bukovina already carrying Romanian passports.

“The territory of Ukraine is a mosaic of other people’s lands. If we want to stop this insane war and ensure peace in Europe, instead of calling Russia’s sponsored referendum in Eastern Ukraine a sham, we should conduct an honest referendum in all the disputed territories under the auspices of the UN and let the people decide what government they want.”

I keep wondering: do we American ever get tired of fake news, fake countries, forever wars, and ruinous Washington politicians?

Mustang also blogs at Fix Bayonets and Thoughts From Afar

Bonus:  This leak become more significant today than 8 years ago when it occurred.

Alleged audio of US diplomat Victoria Nuland

An embarrassing phone conversation about Ukraine politics between two high profile US diplomats has surfaced online. The audio clip of a woman and man is purportedly between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. The two people are heard discussing strategies to work with the three main opposition figures. She is heard telling him that she doesn’t think boxer-turned-politician Vitaly Klitschko should be in a new government and also saying “f**k the EU.”

This episode will be embarrassing for the US as President Barack Obama has denied the administration is manipulating the Ukrainian opposition.


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