Rebuttal to the story claiming the biblical seven year peace treaty has been signed
The King James Version states in 2nd thess. chapter 2 verse 1 thro 8 that we are gathered, “raptured“. Also, it says there is a falling away (apostasia)
This word has been interpreted as departing by the seven previous authors who wrote the seven english translations of the bible. Their use of departing firmly confirms that we will be gathered in verse one, and we will depart. AND then the Anti-Christ will appear.
I have the photostats of the earlier bibles where it is stated. Also, these bible writing can be verified by the Oklahoma University Libraries, in Norman, Oklahoma.
So, the interpretation of the seven previous versions confirm the rapture ABSOLUTELY. After reading the article that denys the rapture, where the person who wrote it, said the peace treaty had been signed, I had to speak up:
In response to the seven year peace treaty article, I would say after reading the post, that there is a serious flaw in the conclusion of the author.
Seven first english translations BEFORE the King James Version translate “Apostasia” as “Departynge“. This means that the Church departs to be with Christ as in the context of 2nd Thess. 2:1-8 towit:
1384 Wycliffe Bible : “Departyne first“; 1526 Tyndale Bible “Departyne first” ; 1535 Coverdale Bible “Departynge first” ; 1539 Crammer Bible “Departynge First’ ; 1576 Breeches Bible “Departing first” ; 1583 Beza Bible “Departing first“ And the Geneva Bible “Departing first” ( To verify these writing check the University of Oklahoma Libraries, in Norman, Oklahoma)
THEREFORE, it follows that in verse one we are gathered, and further illustrated that after the DEPARTING (what we christians refer to as caught up [harpadazo] or “raptured“, then the Anti-Christ appears,
In chapter 2 of 2nd Thess., it is further stated that God will give those who are left behind a delusion, ie., “the lie“, that the Anti-Christ is the Messiah. In the 9th chapter of Daniel, we read that halfway thro the seven year period (3 1/2 yrs.) The abomination of desolation appears in the temple, also reported by Jesus Christ in Mathew 24:15.
So, in conclusion, taking the scriptures in their context, that a gathering, departing, or rapture must occur before the appearance of the Antichrist [man of perdition].
Wherefore, the assumptions of the unknown writer are in error.
PS. We are still waiting for the “rapture“, and afterwards, THEN the Anti-Christ will make a covenant with Israel.
Respectfully, Mark Cline, Stilwell, OK
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From the author whose name is Bill Holden of NorthBay, Ontario to Mark Cline in reply to your comment that was repeated 4 times for some reason. You are right in your analysis of 2 Thessalonian in that the rapture must take place before the wicked one is revealed. This is obvious in the word of God. However, like so many before you, you have fallen for the idea that this wicked one is revealed at the start of the 7 year covenant. Please read this chapter again. You will find that it does not say anywhere that this is the same man that makes the covenant or breaks the covenant or sets up the idol in the midst of the covenant. These are all conclusions that teachers have arrived at simply because he is a wicked one and has signs and wonders. You can believe this if you like but then you will not be able to see the covenant that is revealed above. There are many misconceptions taught in the area of prophecy as teachers have placed their own ideas in their interpretations and resulted in error. Some have given this wicked one all of the attributes of the little horn, the prince of the covenant and the king of the north and have concluded that these 4 are one man when they are 4 different men. The first comes from Turkey. The second comes from the EU The third comes from Syria and the forth and final one comes from the pit which you are unable to see as your comment proves. These same teachers say that there is 7 years tribulation which is not scriptural as there are only 3 1/2. They say that there is a pre-tribulation rapture and give many scriptures out of context to support their teachings. All can be proved error. They say that the little horn is the President of the USA or Prince Charles or that he comes from Germany etc… The word is clear on where he comes from geographically. It is the area governed by one of Alexander the Greats 4 generals. I believe Turkey because he waxes great toward the east, south and pleasant land and because he is another little horn. Turkey is trying to join the EU at present and so far has a great support from most members of the EU. He is also trying very hard to bring the Muslim nations from the east, south and the pleasant land into one united force. Now I have neither added my thoughts nor taken scripture out of context. This is revealed in the word of God and in the world we live in. Therefore I remain convinced and soon will be proved by the Lord. Respectfully, Bill Holden, NorthBay, On
As for the first comment on this page, your Christ like attitude is hiding. I pray that the Lord of the harvest will not hold this against you. If you think that My original article is xxxx then why don’t you give your reasons as the brother above has done. I assure you I have not added nor taken away from the word in my original submission.
Bill