I Believe We have 40 Days Before Judgement! 888 and the Ariel Sharon Prophecy…
If anybody has followed my speculation either here, YouTube or at Rapture in the Air Now, they will know how my methodology works.
I look at signs in the heavens, day counts and meaningful events that have happened on Earth to see if there are any patterns that may be divine… and thus far my methodology has produced no major results!!
But this time I think it’s different. I will try and explain what I have found for people who would rather read, but it’s all here in this video if you’d rather watch.
After the 2014/15 Blood Moon Tetrad and last years Bethlehem conjunction I knew there was something in the number 176 as it kept popping up as a day count with the signs in the heavens, and what I have found this time point towards the Date 17th June 2016 – 17/6/2016 17-6! 176!!
There was 176 days between each Blood Moon, and the Bethlehem Conjunction was 176 days after the mid-point of the Tetrad. (Jan 5th 2015) 176 Days after the Bethlehem Conjunction was 24th December 2015 which was confirmed to me by Lisaleenie’s Angel number 11192 in amazing and cosmik ways… and 176 days after 24/12/2015 is 17th June 2016!! 176!!!
That peaked my curiosity and I stated looking for events and day counts that would confirm this date, and that’s where it went wild…
It’s 8000 days in Shumaker Levy split into 21 parts and impacted Jupiter
It’s 2444 days since Obama (the Beast) received his Nobel Peace Prize
It’s 1967 days since The Orb came down over Temple Mount
It’s 1948 days since Purim 2011
It’s 1192 days since Francis (the False Prophet) became Pope
It’s 888 days since Ariel Sharon died
It’s 3928 (111-92-8) since Rabbi Kuduri made his prophecy about Ariel Sharon
It’s 444 days since Triumphant entry 2015
It’s 153 days since something changed in the spirit
It’s 100 days since the 9th March Full Solar Eclipse
It’s 40 days since the Transit of Mercury
8 Being the number of New Beginnings
444 being the number of Judgement
1967 being the Year that the Jews retook Jerusalem
1948 being the Year that the Jews were given back their homeland
1192 being part of Lisaleeni’s number
888 being the Gematria of Jesus Christ
153 being the miraculous catch of fish
100 being 144,000 minutes (144,000 Jews to be sealed)
40 being a time of testing
Honestly folks, I don’t actually know if this is the date of the rapture, but everything presented here is 100% bonafide truth and can be verified at every point!!
God bless you all, may you have the wisdom to make yourself ready to meet our maker, who is Jesus/Jehovah/Holy Spirit…
17th June 2016 xx
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NO ONE knows the Day and the hour of Judgement, not even Christ (Matt. 24:36).
Please see the article at the following link for the TRUTH about the Second Coming and Judgement Day:-
/prophecy/2016/02/breaking-news-the-second-coming-is-happening-now-2478024.html
Two of my work buddies, both Fundamentalist Protestants, who are waiting for the rapture, and who say “they are saved”. One committed suicide after he caught his wife cheating, and the other is a body builder who parades around in a G-string. Saved, I think not, just the opposite.
And as far as the rapture goes, all those waiting for it will be very horribly surprised when they find out the rapture is a phony prophecy, from phonies.
On the contrary: Christ was the Second Person of the Trinity – The Word (God) was made flesh by the Holy Spirit. Christ was the incarnation of God by the Holy Spirit into the womb of Mary. Simply, Christ is God Himself, both Divine and Human.
The Blessed Trinity is a mystery to us, but is quite clearly told to us in Scripture. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, One God in Three persons – a great mystery other than we have Our Lord Himself telling us that He is God.
“I and the Father are one” “Before Abraham was I am” etc.
So, again, quite clearly, Christ, who is God taken Human flesh by the Virgin Mary (who is the daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son of God, and Spouse of the Holy Ghost) absolutely knew back then all of history and knew the time, hour and all of the when of the Last Judgment.
Contrary to what?
Mmmm? Jarhead? …..doesnt the Bible state “Thou shall not kill”. This little “Gods Word” seems to be left out of the USMC manual……
The meetings of Nycea were arguments about the Divinity of Jesus. It split the Western Roman Church from the Eastern Orthodox Church. Belief that Jesus was the son of god is Arianism, & heretical to Catholic God=Jesus.
You believe that Jesus(God), impregnated his own mother?????……I suppose made easier if you also believe in talking donkeys, whale-belly trips, Bread & Fish x 1000s,walking on water, miraculous healings & reserections……..& if you dont have this “Faith”(gullible belief), you will burn in Hell for eternity……very loving.
The TRINITY was invented to answer GENESIS 1:26 “Let US go down & make man in OUR own image”…….The Elohim being plural……
Fundamental Protestants? The PROTEST-ants were PROTESTING the nefarious money collections of the Catholic Church for indulgences(tickets to heaven). The 1st USMC were the JESUITS, the mariners/soldiers of Loyola. Whose Spanish Armada failed to oust the Herectic PROTESTant Queen Elizabeth……but settled in aMARYca because of their exile & disbandment by the Pope in 1770s….
Chase, Franklin & Bishop John CARROLL are the founding “Father”s. The revolution & independence gained with French Jesuit backing. Funny how only a few yrs later aMARYca went to war with the French….to write off the war-debt they turned traitor & aligned with the British again……until Madison, more merchant “Marine” shenanigans……
“You believe that Jesus(God), impregnated his own mother?????”
Clearly he does NOT believe that, deano. As you’ve already noticed, the Marine is a Catholic. Rightly or wrongly, Trinitarian belief eliminates the apparent conundrum you object to.
“The TRINITY was invented to answer GENESIS 1:26 “Let US go down & make man in OUR own image”…….The Elohim being plural…”
That’s speculation. There are plenty of arguments for why Trinitarian belief became important for religious authorities to impose over the Scriptures. Yours doesn’t even make the top fifteen.
“…aMARYca…”
Very amusing. And thanks for the history lesson.
Aw Beefy, the top 15? I really dont wanna do a “15 Epic FAILS in the Bible”……….
But i am always amused at how many aMARYcans dont know their TRUE History, & poor misguided souls that KILL for this Society of Jesus or is it Ihesus, or YiHeSheH, YHWH in PHONECIAN(not Biblical/Paleo Hebrew).
That the American Acadamey of Sciences was run by the “Scientific Lazzaroni”……& the SMITHSONIAN uses the same sun-logo as the Jesuits
As a “Defeneder of the Faith”, & your obvious theological knowledge, will you “illuminate” us to your Jesuit University indoctrination? Which college did you attend?????
All aMARYcans should know that Donald TRUMP went to Universitas Fordhamensis- FORDHAM. A bastion of the IHS, the Jesuits, the Society of Jesus. Just like GEORGETOWN…….
HILLARY, was originally a “Republican” at Wellesly College…..the bastion of female Catholic education …..with MAD Albright, Diane Sawyer + many others…..
Dont be suprised if “golden-boy” Paul RYAN (Republican=Conservative Catholic) becomes VP…..to step up once Trump is assasinated by some “agent”…. just like Regan was shot so Daddy Bush of the CIA(Catholic Info/Infiltration Agency) could take over……
“I really dont wanna do a “15 Epic FAILS in the Bible”…”
But I do. In fact, that’s just my game. Whaddaya say, Jack? Want to take a shot at the title?
“But i am always amused at how many aMARYcans dont know their TRUE History…”
Well, it is true that Americans have many things vying for their attention these days. But accurate information really isn’t, well, it isn’t in the top fifteen.
“SMITHSONIAN… Jesuits… Trump… Hillary…”
You’ll get no argument here. Not from me. Not about any of it. The only thing you’re wrong about, as far as I can tell, is the Bible. The Church of Rome has no legitimate connection with the written Word of God, other than to be accused within it of very serious crimes and offences.
“…will you “illuminate” us to your Jesuit University indoctrination? Which college did you attend?????”
Guess again, friend. You’re talking to a self-educated, blue collar fella. No university degrees under my belt. Not a one.
So? How about it? Why don’t you get busy showing the Scriptures to be anything other than what they claim to be? Should be easy for a fella like you – especially against a no account agrarian like myself. Should be most ‘illuminating’ indeed. Seems to be what you’re after.
Take your best shot, deano…
…Deano…The abrogation against ‘killing’ says in Hebrew to do ‘No murder’….its way worse if you don’t protect the innocents.
A. Freeman Yes they do!!!! Why do you think God gave SO MANY Clues!!! You are mixing up scripture like everyone else… The Day & Hour that No One Knows is speaking about After The 1000 year Reign – Not The Day Christ returns……
**CODE RED::RED ALERT**
A FALSE FLAG CYBER ATTACK SET TO BE LAUNCHED TO COVER UP THE COLLAPSE OF THE FIAT DOLLAR.
According to biblical prophecy, ‘The Great Tribulation’ is unfolding right on schedule. My initial dates were off. I was wrong. God Is always right.
We have approximately 1240 days or 42 new moons until the 2nd coming of Yahushua our “Lord Jesus Christ”.
A ‘new moon’ occurs exactly every 29.530589 days.
666, 9/11, 555 Code= 5/11/2016:
1.[5+11=(16)] [2x1x6=12=1x2=(2)]
=16+2=18=666*
2.5/(11)/2+0+1+6=(9)=9/11*
3.(5×11)=(55) 2x(6+1)=14=(5)=555*
Revelation 13: “Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.”
555 is the number for mankind & also literally means the “Highest Death”. [666-555=111 "The End Time Unholy Trinity" (WWIII)]. 777 represents the Holy Trinity of God the Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
So you are saying September 29, 2019 ? Please explain in more detail how you came to this conclusion.
See below AngelC7.
Note there is a 3 set match coded in 5/11/2016; 666, 555 & 111.
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/end-times-forum/petrus-romanus-the-false-prophet-and-the-antichrist-are-here/20/?wap2
No other date, except May 11 can produce a 555.
“The sixth beast mentioned in Revelation, and the false prophet 666, once they have manifested themselves to the world, shall have dominion for forty-two months. ”
“And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.” [Rev. 13:5]. Forty-two months is a period of three and a half years. This three and a half years will begin in the spring as Christ noted.”
The antichrist was revealed to the world on the Vernal Equinox March 21, 2016 and will reign on earth for the next 1,290 days until:
2 Thessalonians 2:8
“….the Lord will consume with breath of his mouth, AND DESTROY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING.” on the Feast of Trumpets September 30, 2019.”
The Antichrist was revealed at the AIPAC conference on March 21, 2016.
“Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
**** The Hebrew Tenach says “ he will forge (give strength to) a covenant (alliance) with the great ones (Hebrew: rabim – many, strong ones) for one week. So who are these strong, great ones? If he is giving strength to the covenant (alliance), it already exists.”
A covenant is just an agreement or alliance. It may have nothing to do with peace.As I see it, and examine below, the alliance is formed to meet common goals and needs.
“Paul Ryan, the Wisconsin Republican says in remarks to be delivered Monday evening to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that the administration didn’t dismantle Iran’s nuclear program, it legitimized it.
Ryan said the United States needs to shore up its alliance with Israel. That includes countering Iran’s aggression in Lebanon, Yemen and Syria. He also wants to extend the security agreement with Israel and expand the pact to include missile defense.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-03-21/house-speaker-iran-deal-legitimized-nuclear-program
Paul Ryan Refuses Bible From Faithful American-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S30_iDimv4
Paul Ryan Is The Top Candidate For The 2016 Antichrist Award:
http://www.paulryanantichrist.com/
“The sixth beast mentioned in Revelation, and the false prophet 666, once they have manifested themselves to the world, shall have dominion for forty-two months. “And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.” [Rev. 13:5]. Forty-two months is a period of three and a half years.
This three and a half years will begin in the spring as Christ noted. When the fig tree puts forth its leaves, we know summer, and therefore the end of this age, is near. And we know that Trumpets, heralding the coming of Christ, occurs at the end of summer and the beginning of autumn. Starting at spring, three and a half years ends at the end of summer, and the beginning of autumn.
“End Times Pastor Who Believes the Anti-Christ Is Jewish Will Speak at AIPAC Conference”
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/aipac-speaker-obama-cant-be-anti-christ-because-hes-not-jew
The pastor above is wrong about the Anti-Christ being Jewish.
Paul Ryan is not only a member of the Brotherhood of Death aka SKULL & BONES (322), but a 33rd degree Masonic Freemason and a Knight of Malta under the Jesuit Order.
Well, the Bible does not say we won’t know the week, month or the year! Why are people so dumbed down! If He waits too long to return the planet it is just going to be full of blithering idiots.
The Saviour Is Not Coming
http://veritopian.blogspot.in/2014/08/the-saviour-is-not-coming.html
The Rapture is an invention of the Evangelical movement, who by the way was set up by Freemasonic leaders.
http://prophecyinthemaking.blogspot.com/2016/04/apollyonapollo-destroyer-rising.html
I watch these dates:
tish of av
yom teruah
yom kippur
someday, somebody will be right when they pick the day…this is the law of averages, not prophecy
HELLO! ALL YOU Conspiracy Theorists who write articles for BIN are missing a juicy subject- the many thousands of muslims who live in Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada, where the fire is raging as I speak.
They built a HUGE Islamic Center including schools and mosque. Now the nearby town of Edmonton has opened it’s mosque to the Fort McMurray evacuated muslims, and has ordered 2,000 more cots to accomodate them. I found that delightful little tidbit by reading online from edmontonjournal.com.
There is a photo of a large group of muslims standing in front of the Edmonton legislature building holding prayers for Allah to send rain. Not a single American news source has reported any of this nor has anyone said if the giant Islamic complex in Fort McMurray has been damaged in the fire. I wish lightning would strike the whole lot of them.
And there is more to this than thinking it must be some good ol’ boy who hates muslims who started this fire- the Fort McMurray fire dept has employees who are on record for starting fires, and over 50% of their fires are historically started by man.
And here’s even a better tidbit- are you reading this, Leah?
The article that was bragging about the “wonderful” Islamic center being built in Fort McMurray there was a thinly veiled remark about the different factions of the muslim immigrants and how they are going to HOPEFULLY come together in peace in this Islamic Center.
Read it for yourself:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/fort-mcmurrays-muslim-community-planning-an-ambitious-multicultural-mosque/article23119088/
So that adds another interesting level- the fire could have been started by MUSLIMS!
Come on, guys, start reporting! Or what? Saudis got your tongue?
Humblehorse
Good to see someone who’s been doing a bit of homework
He will come on His appointed Feast Day the “Feast of Trumpets ” that is the NEXT ONE to be fulfilled YEAH !!!
With this FEAST DAY there are connected many idioms, one is, and there are many… the Gates of Heaven are OPENED ONLY on THIS DAY’s… Roshashana (Creation of the Earth day aka Birthday) ALSO KNOWN as
“the DAY that know one knows the Day nor the Hr” as it’s a 
two day feast, that’s WHY you won’t know….the LORD TOLD YOU THE SEASON…..AND the YEAR ALSO (fig tree)….. but not the actual Day nor the Hr 
You cannot change the Feast Days they are SET, 7 Feasts Days, just as Seven Churches of the Ecclesia of God CANNOT be changed (in order as history tells)
Next one UP is the TRUMPETS …the Rescue … you cannot change the Order of Events Tabernacle is NOT BEFORE TRUMPETS.
Trumpets Rapture (7 Yrs BEFORE arrival of GOD to EARTH to Tabernacle …the ORDER is SET.
Maranatha to those whom are called
To those whom are NOT born again to go in the rescue, see my Bio Crazy Times above
The belief Jesus will return on Trumpets is incorrect, a misunderstanding of the former Worldwide Church of God. The truth as given through God’s end time prophet to His remnant Church, has shown that Christ will return on the Holy Day of Pentecost 2019 in correlation with the beginning of God’s Church in 31 AD. Be there or be square!
Anonymous
so on Pentecost the LAST TRUMP sounds???
The Day of the LORD is the 7th Seal and in the 7th Seal there are 7 Trumpet Plagues, at the end of the last (7th) trump Christ says IT IS FINISHED.
Please explain how you connect the trumpet plagues to Pentecost which is the day the Ecclesia of God began.
A trumpet is used to call Israel to war and Christ comes as the Warrior KING to slay His enemies.
You partially answered your own question, but I have to ask, who said anything about the seven plagues and what exactly does it have to do with the conversation? You lost me! Trumpets whether symbolic or literal will obviously announce Christs coming, you’re right about that, however that does not indicate in any way that it is during the annual Trumpets celebration that the second coming will occur.
The number seven in scripture indicates finality, an explanation seemed warranted as you appear to be somewhat fixated on the number seven thing. The Feast of Trumpets one of God’s “seven” annual Holy Days announces Jesus Christ’s last and final return to earth before the ushering in of God’s Kingdom just after he fights and wins the final battle of Armageddon. This will happen on the same day man was first blessed with God’s Spirit, Pentecost.
anonymous
There are no trumpet plagues involved with the Feast of Pentecost AKA the Feast of the First Fruits.
The blast of the Trumpet is connected to the Feast of Trumpets; The blast of the Trumpet is used to announce a coming war. When Christ returns HE comes as a warrior King coming to fight the Battle of that great day of GOD ALMIGHTY.
At the end of the DAY of the LORD, a one year period, at the last (7th) Trump and at its end, Christ returns and the first resurrection takes place.
The Day of Atonement is next and that Fast day foreshadows the putting away of Satan for 1000 years.
Next is the 7 day Feast of Tabernacles which foreshadows the 1000 reign of Christ on earth as King of kings.
The 7th and last Feast is called “The last Great DAY and it is the time of the 2nd resurrection. See Revelation 20: 1 – 6.
This is the time all that never had their one opportunity for salvation, for eternal life are resurrected back to physical life and are judged over a 100 year period i.e the Great White Throne Judgement.
2 Samuel 11:1
And it came to pass לִתְשׁוּבַ֨ת (liṯ·šū·ḇaṯ)…
The correct translation of liṯ·šū·ḇaṯ is AT THE TURN
…so…
And it came to pass AT THE TURN of the year, at the time when KINGS go forth to battle…
The liṯ·šū·ḇaṯ or TURN of the year is the very middle of it. That is the point at which the yearly calendar folds itself over and begins the fall feast schedule.
Therefore
KINGS go out to battle — on the Day of Trumpets.
Which KINGS do you suppose those are which go out to battle on that day?
It is written that the first thing THE KING will do when He returns, is to make war with that OTHER king. And TRUMPETS herald His arrival.
…Beef…antichrist brings ten KINGS with him when he makes his appearance.
First of all there is no such thing as the rapture! By making this representation you’ve postured yourself in opposition to the one true God, Yahweh Elohim. In order to believe in the rapture doctrine one has to totally ignore God’s plan for mankind perfectly outlined in Rev 21:2. It blossoms on the false premise that after death man ascends to heaven which is a ridiculous fallacy that was first championed by Lucifer or Satan the devil.
Isaiah 14:12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”
Accepting the rapture means you believe Jesus Christ a liar. He said in John 3:13 “If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
The origins of this confusion is the spiritual misunderstanding of 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 verse 16 “For the Lord (speaking of Christ) himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive (members of the selected 144,000 who are still alive at Christ’s return) and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
This scripture is talking only about the 144,000 who are dead and others of that sect who have not yet died, who live through Armageddon. It is not referring to everyone else in the world. According to Revelation chapter 20 they have to wait until the thousand years is over before being resurrected. Ask yourself then how does this phony rapture doctrine fit in? As you’ll see based on scripture and not the imaginations of men this entire notion is blasphemous.
Rev 20:5 “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”
The first-fruits who are still alive when Jesus comes will be instantly transformed into spirit in the twinkling of an eye. They will have then become part of Elohim and are slotted to assist Jesus rule earth for a thousand years. As you will notice this passage says they will be caught up into the clouds to meet Jesus not into Heaven where God resides as the rapture suggests.
There are a number of really good indicators of false Christian doctrine. First, the ascension to Heaven, hell-fire and damnation, Sunday worship that is exactly opposite of God’s forth commandment, the practice of pagan rituals like Christmas which knowingly celebrates Christ’s birth nowhere near his own birthday, but instead is recognizes it on Nimrod’s (son worship) birthday December 25th, Easter has replaced God’s appointed time of holy convocation on the annual Passover celebration with pagan worship of the goddess Ishtar.
If you partake in any of these things you are postured in willingly defiance of the Eternal God. Unless you stop participating in it and repent of your idolatry the free gift of salvation is not available to you. Like with those who in the end, after their eventual resurrection prefer to live in a manor resisting God the ransom for sin will be paid. Genesis 3:19 “In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.”
You will not be burning forever as the authors of religious fear porn suggest, but you will be excluded from God’s plan. You will be dead, gone, kaput with no future access to God or hope for future resurrection. You have to make the choice to want God. If you choose doctrine that supports this garbage you have turned your back on Him.
A student of the Word
Does that mean that no one is in heaven right now? If so, when does everyone get to go to heaven?
Thanks.
….Heaven or hell do not exist, till after the ‘great’ white thrown judgement.’ that’s at the close of the millennium.
….spell check….White throne judgement….
Could you explain Luke 23:42,43?
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Standard answer is that the punctuation is imposed and wasn’t original
So it could be:
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.”
I have no idea what merit this argument has.
“I have no idea what merit this argument has.”
I do. It has no merit. Simply moving imaginary punctuation from one location in the verse to another, doesn’t help answer the question.
Try this one:
Messiah said to the thief, “TODAY.”
Messiah died. Where did He go immediately after that? Where did He say the Bosom of Abraham was in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man? Where did Samuel come from when the witch of Endor conjured him UP? Where did Satan say he had been, when God asked him in the Book of Job?
Note also the CORRECT translation of the Greek word HARPAZO is not ‘caught UP’ but ‘caught AWAY.’ So when the Apostle Paul said he was ‘caught AWAY’ to Paradise, he never said he was caught UP.
Paradise is now where it has been since it was created. It is in THE HEART of the Earth. Paradise is not Heaven.
And Max — how can you seriously argue that the Heavens have not been created when the FIRST line of Genesis says:
IN THE BEGINING, God created the Heavens and the Earth…
???
And Ham unmanned his Father.
…paradise is not inferred as ‘heaven’. its an interim destination, where all souls are gathered for judgement….its the location of the ‘millennium’.
“…paradise is not inferred as ‘heaven’.”
Almost everyone I’ve heard say anything on the subject, assumes that Paradise and Heaven are the same thing. They are not the same.
“…its an interim destination…”
It is that, at least in partly. It may be more than just a waiting area. It is likely where the Garden of Eden abides.
“…where all souls are gathered for judgement….its the location of the ‘millennium’.”
All souls, you say? It’s hardly that. Ask the rich man. There’s a chasm between Paradise and Sheol/Hades. Only the righteous are gathered to their people. The rest are cut off from their people and cast into Hades, where they likewise await judgment.
Was the thief “in” heaven – with – Jesus Christ – THAT VERY DAY?
It seems there are many pointing to this scripture as proof “heaven” IS our reward and that — IS — where we are going – to heaven.
We are instructed to “Live by every Word of GOD”. The instructions are: “every word”.
Let’s do exactly that and add a little bit of logic into the equation as well.
Below are the words of Jesus Christ as HE hung on the stake (Stauros) next to the thief.
That WORD is not cross, the Greek is stauros which means up right post. Every Word is important – right?
First understand the Bible was written without punctuation, neither the Hebrews nor the Greeks used punctuation. All punctuation was added by the translators, the translators added punctuation wherever they thought “it” should go — matching what they believed.
If we move the comma from behind “thee” to behind “today” it changes the intent of the scripture — I am telling you today, — you shall be with Me in Paradise.
Luke 23
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
What is interesting is the fact most just ignore the word “paradise” and replace it with the word “heaven” which is NOT in this scripture.
So, what is this word – paradise?
Strong’s Concordance
#3857
paradeisos: a park, a garden, a paradise
Original Word: παράδεισος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: paradeisos
Phonetic Spelling: (par-ad’-i-sos)
Short Definition: Paradise
Definition: Paradise.
HELPS Word-studies
3857 parádeisos – an ancient Persian word meaning “enclosure, garden, park.”
This word ‘paradeisos’ is use two other times in the whole of the New Testament; 2 Corinthians12: 4 and Revelation 2: 7.
Christ did not use the word heaven for a reason – no one is going to heaven –BUT When Christ returns to earth He will restore earth as the Garden of Eden. What Satan and man has destroyed Christ will restore; Christ will restore ALL things.
Christ was not telling the thief; “You are saved” , Christ was not telling the thief he was going to heaven that very day, Christ was telling the thief you will be with Me in the “Garden”, the Paradise of Eden.
Ezekiel 28:13 “Thou hast been in EDEN, the garden of GOD —“
There is a time coming when all those that have died without an opportunity for salvation will be resurrected back in their physical fleshly bodies and will be given their – one – opportunity for salvation.
The thief will be given his opportunity for the free gift of eternal life — at that time.
Death bed repentance —is not God’s Way and besides all the thief said was remember me when you come into your kingdom. – can that even be considered repentance?
If you still have doubts, below is the word used 278 times in the New Testament rendered “heaven” , our Savior Jesus Christ DID NOT use this word when speaking with the thief — Why?? It would have resolved every question?
Strong’s # 3772
ouranos: heaven
Original Word: οὐρανός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: ouranos
Phonetic Spelling: (oo-ran-os’)
Short Definition: the sky, the heaven
Definition: heaven, (a) the visible heavens: the atmosphere, the sky, the starry heavens, (b) the spiritual heavens.
Now let’s take a look at another impediment to the belief that the thief went to heaven that day..
Matthew 12
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
If Jesus Christ was not dead and in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights which is the ONLY SIGN given that HE IS the Son of GOD – he is not your savior.
If the thief was taken to heaven on that very day Christ died — then he got to heaven 3 days and 3 nights before Christ. I do not know about you but that makes no sense – none especially in light of the fact that Paul says the patriarchs are yet in the graves – the thief received salvation BEFORE Abraham???
And then there is the next scripture —
John 20
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
On the day “after” His resurrection (on the 3rd day) the day after would be the 4th day He told Mary not to touch Him as He had not YET ascended to His Father.
Even by the 4th day Christ was not yet in heaven, but the thief was???
I will not include the scriptures but all should know Jesus Christ did not return to heaven until 40 days after He was resurrected from the dead. –Which is an additional major problem?
Please do not comment by telling me Christ’s body was dead but His Spirit went to heaven. If that were true then He is not your savior. Christ had to DIE “completely” to pay the debt for your sins, When you die you no longer exist, you are dead: for Christ to be our savior He had to die and cease to exist for 3 days and 3 nights or you are not forgiven.
If Christ had an “Immortal Soul” when He hung of the stake – it would be impossible for HIM to die. What does “immortal” mean if not immortal?
Another important point, after 40 days what went to heaven? Christ, an immortal Spirit or Christ in a flesh and blood body? It was Jesus Christ, an immortal spirit that could walk through stone walls and travel at the speed of thought.
Here is the last scripture we will use that should open your mind just a tiny bit.
Hebrews 11
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
If Abraham, the Father of the Faithful, has not yet received the promise of eternal life with out all the rest of the First Fruits, the Saints of God the Father
— do you really believe the thief hanging next to Christ is going to receive “any thing” — BEFORE ABRAHAM???
“First understand the Bible was written without punctuation, neither the Hebrews nor the Greeks used punctuation.”
So don’t try to add any then, Truthseeker. You want to use a comma likewise, to make the verse read:
I tell you TODAY, you will be with me.
But you then give yourself the same authority you just denied to the translators. Why? Read the verse without punctuation and see what you get.
Also – did you miss the posts immediately above where we’re discussing the scriptural fact that Paradise and Heaven are not the same? Check into that. All of the scriptural evidence points in one direction only. Down. Paradise is in the Heart of the Earth.
beef
I have proven to my own satisfaction the thief will be resurrected in the 2nd resurrection and then given his one opportunity for salvation.
It is impossible for the thief to be anywhere but the grave on that day.
as there was no punctuation we are free to read it any way we desire and so I qualified the intent by other scriptures.
in the comment are many other reasons why I hold this to be true, I know I can prove nothing to another — even scriptures stating exactly what I have stated will never enter the minds of others.
these years on BIN have proven that fact to me.
Explaining Luke 23:42 “And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
The principles of this have not been given to me so this is speculation but I suspect it may have something to do with the how Christ said that his death, the Passover is the beginning of life. In the same fashion death for mankind is the beginning of eternal life, I mean providing sin is repented of. Paradise is God’s way of peace, Jeru-salem, a way of life that only possible for carnal man after death when sin stops.
I will research this subject further and get back to you.
Truthseeker wrote:
“…as there was no punctuation we are free to read it any way we desire…”
There are rules for language — for sentence construction. Check out a new rule (new as in from about 1800) uncovered by Granville Sharp:
http://www.theopedia.com/granville-sharps-rule
That’s one YOU TOO should be very interested in, JMAO. The result of Granville Sharp’s rule, as applied to very specific verses in Scripture, flies in the face of one of your most cherished (and entirely erroneous) doctrines. Look into it, why don’t you.
Thus, we are most certainly NOT free to read the verses of Scripture any way we desire. Not, that is, if we truly intend to discover the truth conveyed to us in the verses — as they were intended to be read and understood by The Author.
Statement of the Granville Sharp’s Construction:
The following rule of a century back still proves to be true:
“When the copulative KAI connects two nouns of the same case, if the article HO or any of its cases precedes the first of the said nouns or participles, and is not repeated before the second noun or participle, the latter always relates to the same person that is expressed or described by the first noun or participle; i.e., it denotes a further description of the first-named person.’”
(A Manual Of The Greek New Testament, Dana & Mantey, p. 147)
Beef
I quoted Paul saying those of old will not be made perfect before the Saints and Christ was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights: are you saying the thief went to heaven before Christ was raised from death and accepted by His Father’ and before Abraham, Moses etc?
Christ also states I will raise “them” up at the last day?
I am certain none go to heaven, I am certain none are resurrected to immortal spirit life until the last trump and the return of Christ as KING of kings i.e. the first resurrection.
The thief is still in the grave right now, I see no other possibilities.
Truthseeker,
I gotta ask, old buddy…
…Have you been listening to a single thing I’ve said in this thread? You wrote:
“…are you saying the thief went to heaven before Christ was raised from death and accepted by His Father’ and before Abraham, Moses etc?”
Follow me here now, Truthseeker.
Heaven, is NOT PARADISE. Paradise, is NOT HEAVEN. Paradise is down – it is in the HEART of the EARTH. Heaven is up. Up above the Earth – whether spiritually or directionally, one or both, who knows.
“Christ also states I will raise “them” up at the last day?”
Doesn’t that fit perfectly with what I’ve been saying? It does indeed.
“I am certain none go to heaven, I am certain none are resurrected to immortal spirit life until the last trump and the return of Christ as KING of kings i.e. the first resurrection.”
And I agree with you. Please make a note of it. NONE have ascended to Heaven but Messiah. Heaven is not downstairs, TS. But Paradise is.
beef
now you are clear to me — I have a lot going on today and i was not following your points, they were not clear at all.
sorry,
No problemo, TS.
For clarity’s sake, whenever you see me addressing JMAO, that refers to Just My Anonymous Opinion. His unique tag number is:
405/470
(discovered by hovering your mouse over the screen name ‘Anonymous.’ The tag is then displayed in the lower left-hand corner of your monitor. This is one way we have for distinguishing between all of the ‘Anonymous’ posters — two of which you have been discussing things with in this very thread.
Lately JMAO has been identifying himself as ‘a student of the Word.’ But under previous iterations, he’s signed off as ‘Just A Word’ or ‘Just My Opinion.’
That should (I hope) alleviate some of the confusion.
“…405/470…”
Make that 405/670.
…Beef supreme, In Luke 23, we find that there is a GULF between God’s people and all the ‘others’…IN PARADISE. The Rich fellow could SEE Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham.
Perhaps we are calling the same thing by different names. Your description fits with my understanding, though, I don’t find sheol or hades referred to in this context. And besides, there is opportunity, for members of the ‘elect’ to go across this gulf to ‘teach’ family members who didn’t make the grade. father, mother, brother, or unmarried sister…can be counseled. there is a period of cleansing involved…before this elect person can return, but the Elect have this opportunity.
…Besides this, how could any be judged to sheol or hades, before the judgement has taken place?
405/670 you say?
Seems like “Just My Anonymous Opinion” (JMAO) is having a tough time staying anonymous.
…seeker…Stake or cross….Christ was crucified by Romans…At the time it would have taken an order from Caesar to change Christ’s execution to a stake….the Roman cross was the method they used…by law.
…What was Christ doing for 3 days and nights while his body was in the sepulcher…You don’t think he was ‘unconscious’ do you?
…
Jonesy
It makes a difference to Christ’s Father, He would not have used a pagan symbol.
The fact the catholic’s embrace the cross should be proof it is pagan- Rome is total and complete gentile paganism.
The word is “stauros” means an up right stake or post.
The prophecy is Christ would be hung on a tree. No prophecy regarding a cross.
What was Christ doing for 3 days and 3 nights — He was dead?
If Jesus Christ was immortal then it was impossible for Him to die and He had to die the same way men die – He had to cease to exist.
The penalty for transgressing the Law is death, if Jesus Christ did not actually die as all men die – He can not be our savior. And if He was not dead — then when it is said Christ rose from the dead that would be a lie. Christ rose as a Spirit not as a flesh and blood human.. can He appear as a human, certainly.
The power of the Father is — HE CAN RAISE THE DEAD BACK TO LIFE.
Read Ezekiel 37 which describes the 2nd resurrection of those that never had their one opportunity for salvation raised from death back to flesh and blood.
This occurs at the 7th Feast called “The last Great Day”, that great day of the feast.
This time is called the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT. As many a 100 billion will be raised back to physical life and given their opportunity for eternal life.
Jonesy
Why dont you ask your brother troothytits how many Christian babies he has bombed for the 10 lost tribes of Jewishness this week?
Maximus wrote:
“In Luke 23, we find that there is a GULF between God’s people and all the ‘others’…IN PARADISE.”
Would you listen to yourself Max? According to you, there is a place of unbearable torment and heat IN Paradise.
“The Rich fellow could SEE Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham.”
Does it make sense to you that he was calling across the chasm and yet all parties involved were IN the Bosom of Abraham? Are you really going to argue that the rich man was gathered to Abraham’s Bosom Max?
“Perhaps we are calling the same thing by different names.”
Always possible. But it seems to me that you are eliminating a VERY important distinction; a BOUNDARY set by God. There is a Paradise. There is a Hades. The two are NOT the same any more than Texas and Mexico are the same. Now the enemies of God are presently trying to ERASE all borders and boundaries. Please do not ease their burden by erasing biblical boundaries.
“I don’t find sheol or hades referred to in this context.”
It must be deduced by the preponderance of scriptural evidence. Old and New Testament evidence leads to this inescapable conclusion.
“And besides, there is opportunity, for members of the ‘elect’ to go across this gulf to ‘teach’ family members who didn’t make the grade.”
Now THAT you will have to show me in Scripture. I won’t say you’re wrong – only that an immense statement of that kind needs to be supported with something other than opinion.
“…there is a period of cleansing involved…”
Again, please show me why it is you believe this.
“…before this elect person can return, but the Elect have this opportunity.”
Where this comes from, I have no idea.
“Besides this, how could any be judged to sheol or hades, before the judgement has taken place?”
Ahh. Some clarity. You are presuming. Neither Paradise nor Hades are judgments. They are where we wait for resurrection TO judgment. Justice demands as much. Would it be fair for Lenin or Mao to while away the hours in Paradise as they await their sentencing? No. God is an ELOHIM of Justice, Max. Justice mandates that there be separate ‘waiting facilities’ for the good, the bad, and the REALLY bad.
…Beef… I don’t see how any one can be “punished” before judgement. But you’re and seeker are the ‘experts’…so I’ll just STFU.
Max,
You surprise me. You’re an old-timer at this friggin website by now. Not one of the the soft-around-the-middle newbie green horns.
So what’s with the belly-aching?
Robust up old man. How else we supposed to smack the stuffin out each other while talkin bout things that matter?
Know what I mean?
[...plus which, I always reserve the right to be wrong.]
….beef…I got very angry with my computer….I lost all my bible reference apps…don’t know what happened. Got my butt chapped. I can’t hardly keep up without my notes….
…Beef…let me explain what my viewpoint is concerning the ‘spiritual body’. My understanding of spirituality colors everything I discern in our studies. The spiritual body has no identification with mortal life, for we as mortal beings, are as a ‘shadow’ of our individual spiritual bodies…which are our “real” selves…
…We, humans, were each made in the exact image of our individual spiritual bodies…
…If we, each, live in the Holy Spirit in our “earthly form”, we live on, identity intact, in the next age…conversely, those who don’t identify spiritually, don’t have much else…Perdition awaits. fini
…All the rest is a rehash of doctrine, dogma. and all the “religious” aspects, and traditions…and in this ‘age of grace’, practically meaningless…It is fun to beat the stuffing out of one another, with our biblical scholarship “medals of merit”, but i really do feel that this latter rain “quickening” is exponentially increasing our capacity to understand…The Holy Spirit is filling us, and lifting us way above the mundane reality, all the details, represent.
…picture a pair of beautifully costumed and coordinated figure skaters “dancing” through the middle of a bench clearing, hockey brawl. That’s what i see is going on with the elect, right now.
And that basically is gnosticism.
Faith AND works are required.
Anything else is laziness.
In principal, there isn’t much you said that I disagree with, but there’s always that issue of making our ‘model’ fit with the Word – and not the other way around. You wrote:
“…those who don’t identify spiritually, don’t have much else…Perdition awaits. fini.”
Here’s how I could agree with that:
If the overall ‘defining aspect’ of what makes us who we are is entirely worldly and corrupt, that defining aspect is going to be destroyed by instruction or by fire, or both. After that, it might truly be said that the particular worldly entity is no more. For example…
…we all may or may not know who Ron Jeremy the porn star is. Now, everything that makes Ron Jeremy Ron Jeremy, is going to be destroyed. One way or another. What will be left of that particular entity will in no way resemble the persona we recognize today. This is not, however, to say that his being will be erased. His being will not be erased. It’s just that whatever remains, whichever entity results from the purification by fire, will in no way be comparable to the entity as it exists today.
…beef…I love you a lot.
…Any soul that is not within the body of Christ at the seventh trump, loses identification with life itself…because his earthly ‘identification’ no longer has ANY object in fact…belongs to a reality that no longer exists.
…Like a surgeon looking at a cancer patient, and realizing that cutting out the cancer, will kill the patient. He wouldn’t do the surgery. In our case, the “surgery” is the second coming, and that won’t be stopped. No ‘life support’ for the earthly man.
…God IS mercy, and if you think about it, that’s the most merciful way for a person, like Ron Jeremy, to meet his end. Poof, fade to black.
…I’ve said it before, that our final judgement, corresponds to our self realization….before the throne
jonesy
So according to your study when Christ instructed the 12 Apostles to pray to “Our Father in Heaven” Christ lied?
Hell is either the grave or Gehenna fire which is the Lake of fire. There is no ever burning hell where “immortal souls” are burned forever — that is the wishful thinking of Satan.
Besides we are souls i.e. living breathing creatures made of the dust of the ground and when we die we return to dust.
Again jonesy we are not even in the same book,
Giving a false choice shows the intention to deceive, but nevertheless allow me to concur with the truthseeker on this one. Keep to the truth bro, it is real important in the time we live. Kudos for the contribution!
A Student of the Word
…Seeker….Heaven IS wherever YHVH is. So you’re correct.
…seeker…YHVH IS a ‘consuming fire’ and only one individual is condemned…at this time. We know who that is.
…There was a landowner who neede help with his chores, and went to the market and hired a few guys to work for a day….they agreed on a ‘penny’ a day…About noon the landowner went back to the market, and saw men idling there, He hired some more men, for the same penny, for the day. About dinner time he was able to hire more men, again, for the same penny.
…There are zero physical bodies, after the seventh trump. All are changed to ‘spiritual bodies’. And join all those who have died.. in paradise.
…We all spend the millennium in ‘paradise’, on one side or the other, of the gulf, that separates those, whose robes are washed in the blood of the Lamb…and those who are ‘unwashed’. Even the son of perdition, is there… in the pit…for a thousand years….
…You’re correct about there being no “eternal’ punishment for the lost….YHVH just blots ‘em out…gone…not even a memory shall remain.
We’re in the same book…we have differing points of view…as to what it all means….individually.
…The principle disagreement we have is I don’t believe in your clinging to Zionist dogma. I say all souls are eligible for membership in the body of Christ…for the asking. But, you believe there is still valid reasons to jump through Zionist hoops, like there is no Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT…like you still don’t believe you can internalize the LAW, and be free of the traditions and rituals.
…
…At the end of the day, the landowner settled up with ALL the workers and each got a penny.
…One of the first hired ‘murmured’, (complained), and said, “I worked all through the hottest part of the day, and these, you hired later, got the same pay as I did.”
…The landowner pointed out that he had held up, his part of the agreement…paid a penny, and asked the murmurer, “do you think I cheated you? We had a contract…we both held up our part…you worked..I gave you a penny.” They worked…got a penny.”
…Seeker…You should know where this going….are you a ‘murmurer’? Thinking you need some extra credit for your diligence, and effort? That’s B.S.
…I think you have more invested in “reigning with Christ”, than you have in “serving Christ”.
…You should be glad that The NEW COVENANT is more inclusive than exclusive. Spread the word that “Whomsoever will” accept the TRUTH of Christ’s resurrection IS SAVED. Simply…. without zionist prerequisites. THAT will serve.
Jonesy
The reason why what I espouse is in conflict with 99.8 % of those on BIN —- I use every Word of God to determine a doctrine. I do not pick and choose.
For instance: The 12 tribes because of the unconditional promise to Abraham, Issac and Jacob will inherit the Promised Land as their eternal inheritance.
That has not yet occurred and it is written about at great length throughout the Prophets and the Word.
Are you familiar with the 2nd exodus??
When Christ returns He frees the remnant of all 12 tribes from captivity and they will return to the Promised Land and to Jerusalem by a huge 2nd exodus numbering in the 10’s of millions.
Isaiah 11
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse,(CHRIST) which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass —“in that day”—, that the Lord shall set his hand again —– the second (2nd) time —- to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of —- Israel, — and gather together the dispersed of — Judah — from the four corners of the earth.
13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
Jonesy do you know who Ephraim is?? The Tribe of Ephraim is not Jewish.
14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; —— like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
Jeremiah 16
14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: —————and I will bring them again into their land========= that I gave unto “”their”” fathers.
Jonesy there will be 10′s of millions from the 12 tribes that by a 2nd exodus travel through Europe and other gentile countries back to the promised Land by a 2nd Exodus and these are humans — they are flesh and blood members of the 12 tribes of Israel.
There are no different points of views — only the TRUTH of GOD –which those that obey receive.
Jonesy have you read Zechariah 14?? Please read the entire chapter, when Christ is on earth as KING of kings all nations which came against Jerusalem will be forced to come to Jerusalem to keep the Feast of Tabernacles every year..
At the return of Christ the gentile nation turn to fight Him and that battle is called “the battle of that great day of GOD ALMIGHTY”
Most today have never studied the prophets or the Old Testament which is the foundation of the New Testament.
Jonesy I began keeping the Sabbath and all 7 of the Holy Feast of God in 1969, I have nothing to do with ”churches” nothing to do with so called Christians.
I fellowship with a tiny tiny number of folks that follow that narrow path Jesus Christ blazed for His students to follow.
I follow no man —
Jonesy
You wrote:
“Whomsoever will” accept the TRUTH of Christ’s resurrection “IS SAVED” .— Simply…. without zionist prerequisites. THAT will serve.”
Jonesy I serve my Master by doing HIS WILL and not my own. There is no reward, no payment for doing what is required: — THAT is the duty of a servant.
Simple????? Is that what Jesus Christ said – really??? He said His burden is light but never simple!
Jonesy read all of these statements of Jesus Christ and tell me all Christ expects is just believe!!!
Matthew 5
19 “Whosoever therefore — shall break one — of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever — shall —-do ——- and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jonesy I teach the commandments
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Oh oh Christ just stated the commandment regarding adultery is in force.
Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and —-MANY — there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and — ——FEW— there be that find it.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he THAT DOETH THE WILL of my Father which is in heaven.
Verse 21 alone blows away your “just believe” , “just accept the sacrifice” doctrine, Christ wants this disciples to DO the FATHER’s WILL!
22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
MANY PROFESSING “CHRISTIANS” WILL SAY TO CHRIST – look at all I have done — and what does Christ say “you that work iniquity (lawlessness) depart from ME!
23 And then will I profess unto them, —I never knew you: –depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
PS: obeying the Commandments of God —- NOT LAWLESSNESS!
Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do,—– that I may — have — eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: —– but if thou wilt enter into life, — keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, (#6)Thou shalt do no murder, (#7) Thou shalt not commit adultery, (#8) Thou shalt not steal, (#9)Thou shalt not bear FALSE witness,
19 (#5) Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, (# 5-10) Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.
What Law was Christ following? which Holy Days did Christ keep? Did Christ keep the Sabbath? Did He eat pork? Did Christ ever tell His disciples the Torah was going to be abolished?
Which Christ are you following??
Matthew 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever “”they””” bid you observe, [that] -observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men’s shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.
The scribes i.e. attorneys, and the Pharisees i.e. the priesthood, sit in Moses’s seat i.e. in Moses’s seat of judgment ruling by the Torah — thus Christ just told His disciples –to obey the Torah — but not to follow what the scribes and Pharisees themselves –DO- because they themselves — do not obey the Torah.
4Jesus stated, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.
Is the New Testament the WORD of GOD just like the Old Testament?? How can the WORD of GOD found in Matthew be ignored??
Creation is not simple, God’s plan of Salvation is not simple, the Word of God is very long and very detailed and very deep —
witness the fact that it has generated 4000 varieties of so called Christian that reject one another and teach such diverse doctrine that all believe the other is antichrist.
Simple — nope!
Impossible to comprehend by the human mind — you bet
….seeker….that was a very informative post….tells me a lot about you. There’s no doubt that you are a dedicated fellow. Worth knowing better. i still say you don’t want ‘inclusiveness’ in your theology. You want to be in an ‘exclusive’ club, and that’s not the way I see Jesus Christ…
…I’ll do some research, and see if we can come to some kind of an understanding…..The way I read you, now…is not to kindly….I believe you think your exclusivity is Godly, but I see it as less than that…I see pride and arrogance, in your POV. There no Jew nor Gentile in the body of Christ….If you believe differently, then you are
espousing iniquity…in-equalness.
jonesy
I quoted Jesus Christ — that is not “my” doctrine, those are not my words.
Yes i added logic to the statements of Christ but the Words are clear as when HE say the “DOERS of the LAW” I did not say those words YOUR Savior did.
I did not make the statement that only those the Father calls can come to Christ.
God is not a respecter of persons, He is calling the Elect first and some gentiles now and once a person has been converted they are all considered to be the seed of Abraham.
There were 12 apostles for the House of Israel and ONE for the gentiles.
Did you read both comments? the on on the 2nd Exodus?
jonesy
Let me clear up what you call my ‘inclusiveness’ problem:
All who follow Jesus Christ by “DOING” what Christ taught –DOING what Christ “did” —– are my brothers in Christ!
Everyone else is not.
I truly despise lawlessness – lawlessness is a terminal disease Satan has infected the world with.
I care nothing about what comes from their mouth, I want to see righteous ACTIONS. Faith without works is death
I want to see the righteous fruit of the Spirit of the Father growing in them.
I quoted Christ from Matthew to you —Jesus Christ will tell MANY so called christians “I NEVER KNEW YOU!
That is same “inclusiveness” I described above.
The Saints of God are the very FEW not the many!
The time is coming very soon when those that call themselves “christians” will kill the Saints of God thinking they are doing God a service.
Glad you asked. Whether you realize it or not that means God has opened your ear to hear and eye to see. I can’t take credit for God’s Truth, however when given the opportunity I love to share, to enlighten others who are seeking it. The truth is when we die we are either we are buried, or cremated. We remain in this state of death until we are later resurrected.
Contrary to the false assertion of the spiritually ignorant we have no immortal spirit. Think about it, if we actually had one why on earth would we need God to resurrect us? Fact is, we wouldn’t. This entire concept if it were not so blasphemous would be laughable. That notion obviously when compared to scripture doesn’t pass the smell test.
The bible, not some abstract interpretation of scripture mined passages, taken out of context tells us there will be two resurrections scheduled. The first resurrection happens when Jesus Christ returns. These who are raised at this time are the 144,000 tried and true God has selected over the past six thousand years to help Jesus run the Kingdom of God on earth for a period of one thousand years. They, the 144,000 similar to Jesus are to be raised as spirit. This is why they are unaffected by the second death, they are already spirit and part of the family of Elohim. God’s intended purpose for mankind.
Read beginning in Rev 21:2, compare with the ridiculous doctrine of the harlot the opposites are nothing short of astounding. God’s Sabbath is the 7th day, hers on the 1st day. She (false doctrine) says mans immortal spirit goes to Heaven when God’s Word says we go to the grave until resurrected and announces the Kingdom of God coming to earth. Any ideas as to might be behind such destructive manipulations of God’s Word. Yep you guessed it first try, Satan the devil. The choice is always your who will you serve?
The second resurrection happens at the end of that thousand year period. All who are resurrected in this phase are risen to a restored physical body not a spirit one as those in the first round. The “everyone else” who had to wait until the end of millennium are given a period of examination to reevaluate their allegiance. Those choosing another way will return to the state of death. They’re returned to the ground from where they came, they’re kaput, forever dead.
Rev 20: “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades (the grave) gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. (symbolic of everlasting destruction) This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” The lake of fire represents the permanence and finality of the second death.
What needs to be understood is God’s plan for mankind never consisted of man ascending to Heaven. That was Lucifer’s aspiration not God’s intention, lets keep that strait! God has something far greater in store for us. The Kingdom of God is coming here. We are being offered a slot in God’s family. Begin read Rev. 21:2
Stop listening to those who consistently provoke the obscure for spiritual explanations about holy things that they lacking the Spirit are just incapable of understanding. If you do a comparative analysis scripture verses such doctrine it is not at all difficult for the seeking to see that the god the advocates of this garbage worship is not the One True Eternal God Yahweh Elohim. Be ever so cautious about accepting anything from them, it’s mind poison.
Let’s pray in unison but privately the Lords Prayer given to us by the Messiah Jesus Christ; Mat 6:10 “After this manner therefore pray ye:Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. THY KINGDOM COME. THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen
Again, thanks so much for asking. I pray this information, or better put “truth” takes root that I might soon call you brethren. Offered in the spirit of love,
A student of the Word
Here he goes again:
“Contrary to the false assertion of the spiritually ignorant we have no immortal spirit. Think about it, if we actually had one why on earth would we need God to resurrect us?”
Did God resurrect the Messiah after He died? And was Messiah simply non-existent for three days, or was He a very busy Savior, descending into the Heart of the Earth to preach the Gospel? Won’t you think about THAT, JMAO?
“That notion obviously when compared to scripture doesn’t pass the smell test.”
You need a great deal of help with the Scriptures. You really do. Smell test? This is what comes from believing men rather than God.
“The Bible… tells us there will be two resurrections scheduled.”
The Bible does indeed speak of two resurrections.
“God’s Word says we go to the grave until resurrected…”
And again, it does indeed. But ‘the grave’ does not denote the consciousness-less, existence-less state of non-being that you and the ‘soul sleep’ advocates pretend that it does. When we die, we will be gathered to one of two places; both of which are in the Heart of the Earth. Either we descend to Paradise, and are gathered to our people, which is Abraham’s Bosom; or we are cut off from our people and descend into the shadowy world of Sheol/Hades. This is what the Scriptures teach. No one goes to Heaven when they die.
“Those choosing another way will return to the state of death. They’re returned to the ground from where they came, they’re kaput, forever dead.”
Gross speculation for which you will find no supporting verses in Scripture. What part of EVERY knee will bend and EVERY tongue will confess, didn’t you understand?
“What needs to be understood is God’s plan for mankind never consisted of man ascending to Heaven.”
No one can be wrong about everything. Not even JMAO.
And in typical JMAO fashion – not being able to resist slathering his postings with a nice wet ladle-full of self-congratulatory smarminess – he writes:
“I pray this information, or better put “truth” takes root that I might soon call you brethren.”
Disgusting? No. Utterly loathsome. You can’t call a seeker your brother until he believes every error the way you believe it? Most foul. And you can’t fathom the notion that the way you understand portions of the Word just MIGHT be found WANTING? You call yourself ‘student’ but then you say things like this, which give the lie to everything about your substance.
First of ALL anonymouse student of the SDA/JW doctrine ?…There WILL BE a rescue for those whom have His Promise. HIS PRECEPTS Prove it !…… The Rescue of the Godly (righteous) are clearly shown THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURE WHICH ALWAYS OCCURRED BEFORE WRATH ..that’s WHY “HE” gave us
Noah and Lot as examples 
…He has given His Bride the same Promises , His Mercy is greater than His Wrath.
“Accepting the rapture means you believe Jesus Christ a liar”….Whoooha!!!
anonymouse you have NO discernment at ALL…. ZERO
“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
This was showing HE was Omnipresent …..
and this passage you’ve given, taken out of context, which your brilliant at, is PRE the Rescue of the Bride even with your understanding. making your point invalid.
Just my opinion.
I rest my case! As I have often said nefore and I’ll say it again, those lacking God’s Spirit, the spiritually retarded are incapable of understanding scripture. 2 Thess 2:11 “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
You go ahead and stick to you guns bro, after all God did give you free choice. Who you choose to worship, whose doctrine you decide to advocate is all up to you bud, have at it. My prayer is that you set your pride aside (humble yourself) and understand you’ve been misled. If you can’t do that (establish a contrite heart) I promise the second death will be your ultimate reward. Sorry, I honesty love you and want so badly for you to see clearly!
A student of the Word
A friend of mine told me that between jesus death and resurrection he went to hell and took back the keys to hell death and the grave. does this have anything to do with the center of the earth or a form of paradise?
Prophets are killed,martyred, not killers.
Y’all do realize that those curls aren’t natural I hope.
Oh they are.. they’re all mine. xx
There is no such thing as rapture an completely false doctrines that will have millions in troubles as they will buy into the false messiah that comes first.
That verse cannot be used as an excuse to not understand the year and also the time of that year if you know scripture and what to watch for.
The article was written by a phony.
When someone calls the 144 thousand Jews you know that person hasn’t a clue about scripture.
They don’t understand the New covenant and who it is made with, not a bunch of antichrist, Talmud believing Jews.
YOU will also fail. EVERY date setter has come and gone in BIN.
And besides there is no “rapture”. The word is not even in the Bible and has been PROVEN false on many internet websites that have looked into this.
You can easily debunk their own theory by examining what they say. It is the OPPOSITE of what the Bible says. Sounds like Satan behind it doesn’t it?
Either Satan or Beef Supreme!
So? Make your case, JMAO.
(Or you could just take pot shots from the gallery. Though that does seem a little cowardly. To me. Fella.)
@HumbleHorse,
PEACE!
Your zeal for the Lord Jesus Christ is inspiring. Your timeline goes along with the Lord’s season and His imminent return. It is the last leg of the race!
Gentiles have to stop with the replacement theology and silly notion of being Isrealites and just worship the Lord Jesus Christ. They need to just be happy they are grafted into the Olive Tree and to accept Holy Scripture as literal!
The Shem blood runs through the Mongolian/Peleg and Chinese/Joktan lineages.
This explains why so many so called Christians blasphemy the Lord Jesus Christ and twist Holy Scripture, because the Edomite blood and spirit runs strong in the church via Rome. The edomite blood lineage runs strong in the Jews, too! This is mystery babylon: when the church is corrupt, yet a few followers of Jesus Christ can still be saved. The fallacy of Edomite Jews returning to their homeland in 1948 along with the interpretation of Ezekiel 38 with so called Edomite Jews and British Isreal living in unwalled villages is wrong! All Caucasians whether Jew or Gentile belong to the lineage of Japheth!
The only thing to focus on is Jesus Christ and His return! God Bless You!
What. You really think he’s down with your Chinese = Hebrew Tom and Jerry Show?
Quote: “All Caucasians whether Jew or Gentile belong to the lineage of Japheth!”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……
I went to a church once where they had a picture of a BLACK Jesus hanging up on the wall. Where’s your picture of a CHINESE Jesus, Donnie? Cuz I really want to see that.
http://chinese-culture-symbols.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/buddhism.jpg
Chinese Jesus? Damn. I’ve missed the mark. By a long shot. A really long one.
@ Clucker
I didn’t say Chinese Jesus, birdbrain, I said Mongolian! This may be the reason you Caucasoid Japhethites are going to take up arms and try to kill the Messiah Jesus Christ. Think about it! Why else will you Gentiles try to kill the Messiah Jesus Christ when He returns? Not because He’s Caucasian, but because He is Oriental!
http://eifiles.witnesstoday.org/oo-en.htm
https://books.google.com/books?id=hD_zAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/homilies/1984/documents/hf_jp-ii_hom_19840915_santuario-huronia.html
A17&dq=Christ+Is+a+Native+American&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ogZLVdezC4SvogTfwIC4Dg&ved=0CDsQuwUwAw#v=onepage&q=Christ Is a Native American&f=false
“I didn’t say Chinese Jesus, birdbrain, I said Mongolian!”
I didn’t read your comment, Donovan. I was responding to Vinnie, all in good fun. Calm down and have yourself a drink. Lord knows you need one. You seem to be wound a bit tight.
Jesus’ being Mongolian WOULD explain His being a ginger! Good call Donovan! Lots of people are just bored with you not disagreeing with you.
@ Damine,
Peace!
Thanks for the positive response! I will take it as a compliment, even though I don’t find anything boring about the Hebrew Native Americans. I tell kids there is no such thing as boredom! There are many things to occupy the day like study and research. Overwhelming evidence prove the Native Americans to be the Lost Tribes of Israel and feeble attempts to refute this truth have failed!
https://books.google.com/books?id=2wUVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA334&dq=Ten+Tribes+of+Israel+Barbara+Simon&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix6qaY38_MAhUS32MKHal7AowQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=Ten%20Tribes%20of%20Israel%20Barbara%20Simon&f=false
OMG – ALL of the math!
If 2+2=4 then 145+1=146 and my bday is 7/11 – 7+11=18 = THE END IS NEAR!!!