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Do you really think fisherman Peter wrote words like συσχηματιζόμενοι (syschēmatizomenoi) Strong's 4964 which Pharisee Paul whom he allegedly praises also exclusively fills his doctrine?!

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1 & 2 Peter are rife with language that true apostles Matthew and John ABSOLUTELY NEVER use when bringing the testimony of Jesus Christ


“As OBEDIENT (Strong’s 5218) children, not FASHIONING  (Strong’s 4964) yourselves according to the former lusts in your IGNORANCE (Strong’s 52)” 1Peter 1:14


“For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles OBEDIENT, by word and deed” Romans 15:18

“And be not conformed (FASHIONED, syschematizesthe, Strong’s 4964) to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” Romans 12:2

“Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the IGNORANCE (Strong’s 52)  that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart” Ephesians 4:18


Would you be shocked to learn that ‘obedience’ and ‘obey’ are used ONLY for Pharisee doctrine, except when the Son of God caused the wind and sea to obey:

Strong’s Greek: 5218. ὑπακοή (hupakoé) — 15 Occurrences

Romans 1:5 N-AFS
GRK: ἀποστολὴν εἰς ὑπακοὴν πίστεως ἐν
NAS: to bring about [the] obedience of faith
KJV: for obedience to the faith
INT: apostleship unto obedience of faith among

Romans 5:19 N-GFS
GRK: διὰ τῆς ὑπακοῆς τοῦ ἑνὸς
NAS: through the obedience of the One
KJV: so by the obedience of one shall
INT: by the obedience of the one

Romans 6:16 N-AFS
GRK: δούλους εἰς ὑπακοήν δοῦλοί ἐστε
NAS: [as] slaves for obedience, you are slaves
KJV: servants to obey, his servants ye are
INT: servants for obedience servants you are

Romans 6:16 N-GFS
GRK: θάνατον ἢ ὑπακοῆς εἰς δικαιοσύνην
NAS: or of obedience resulting
KJV: or of obedience unto
INT: death or of obedience to righteousness

Romans 15:18 N-AFS
GRK: ἐμοῦ εἰς ὑπακοὴν ἐθνῶν λόγῳ
NAS: me, resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles
KJV: the Gentiles obedient, by word
INT: me for [the] obedience of [the] Gentiles by word

Romans 16:19 N-NFS
GRK: γὰρ ὑμῶν ὑπακοὴ εἰς πάντας
NAS: For the report of your obedience has reached
KJV: For your obedience is come abroad unto
INT: indeed of you obedience to all

Romans 16:26 N-AFS
GRK: θεοῦ εἰς ὑπακοὴν πίστεως εἰς
NAS: the nations, [leading] to obedience of faith;
KJV: nations for the obedience of faith:
INT: God for obedience of faith to

2 Corinthians 7:15 N-AFS
GRK: πάντων ὑμῶν ὑπακοήν ὡς μετὰ
NAS: you, as he remembers the obedience of you all,
KJV: whilst he remembereth the obedience of you
INT: of all of you obedience how with

2 Corinthians 10:5 N-AFS
GRK: εἰς τὴν ὑπακοὴν τοῦ χριστοῦ
NAS: captive to the obedience of Christ,
KJV: thought to the obedience of Christ;
INT: into the obedience of Christ

2 Corinthians 10:6 N-NFS
GRK: ὑμῶν ἡ ὑπακοή
NAS: whenever your obedience is complete.
KJV: when your obedience is fulfilled.
INT: your obedience

Philemon 1:21 N-DFS
GRK: Πεποιθὼς τῇ ὑπακοῇ σου ἔγραψά
NAS: Having confidence in your obedience, I write
KJV: in thy obedience I wrote
INT: Being persuaded of the obedience of you I wrote

Hebrews 5:8 N-AFS
GRK: ἔπαθεν τὴν ὑπακοήν
NAS: He learned obedience from the things which
KJV: yet learned he obedience by
INT: he suffered obedience

1 Peter 1:2 N-AFS
GRK: πνεύματος εἰς ὑπακοὴν καὶ ῥαντισμὸν
NAS: of the Spirit, to obey Jesus
KJV: unto obedience and
INT: of [the] Spirit unto [the] obedience and sprinkling

1 Peter 1:14 N-GFS
GRK: ὡς τέκνα ὑπακοῆς μὴ συσχηματιζόμενοι
NAS: As obedient children,
KJV: As obedient children, not
INT: as children of obedience not fashioning yourselves

1 Peter 1:22 N-DFS
GRK: ἐν τῇ ὑπακοῇ τῆς ἀληθείας
NAS: Since you have in obedience to the truth
KJV: souls in obeying the truth through
INT: by obedience to the truth

Strong’s Greek: 5219. ὑπακούω (hupakouó) — 21 Occurrences

Matthew 8:27 V-PIA-3P
GRK: θάλασσα αὐτῷ ὑπακούουσιν
NAS: the winds and the sea obey Him?
KJV: and the sea obey him!
INT: sea him obey

Mark 1:27 V-PIA-3P
GRK: ἐπιτάσσει καὶ ὑπακούουσιν αὐτῷ
NAS: spirits, and they obey Him.
KJV: spirits, and they do obey him.
INT: he commands and they obey him

Mark 4:41 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ἡ θάλασσα ὑπακούει αὐτῷ
NAS: the wind and the sea obey Him?
KJV: and the sea obey him?
INT: the sea obey him

Luke 8:25 V-PIA-3P
GRK: ὕδατι καὶ ὑπακούουσιν αὐτῷ
NAS: and the water, and they obey Him?
KJV: water, and they obey him.
INT: water and they obey him

Luke 17:6 V-AIA-3S
GRK: θαλάσσῃ καὶ ὑπήκουσεν ἂν ὑμῖν
NAS: in the sea; and it would obey you.
KJV: and it should obey you.
INT: sea and it would obey anyhow you

Acts 6:7 V-IIA-3P
GRK: τῶν ἱερέων ὑπήκουον τῇ πίστει
NAS: of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.
KJV: of the priests were obedient to the faith.
INT: of the priests were obedient to the faith

Acts 12:13 V-ANA
GRK: προσῆλθεν παιδίσκη ὑπακοῦσαι ὀνόματι Ῥόδη
NAS: Rhoda came to answer.
KJV: a damsel came to hearken, named Rhoda.
INT: came a girl to listen by name Rhoda

Romans 6:12 V-PNA
GRK: εἰς τὸ ὑπακούειν ταῖς ἐπιθυμίαις
NAS: body so that you obey its lusts,
KJV: body, that ye should obey it in
INT: in order to obey the lusts

Romans 6:16 V-PIA-2P
GRK: ἐστε ᾧ ὑπακούετε ἤτοι ἁμαρτίας
NAS: of the one whom you obey, either
KJV: ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin
INT: you are to him whom you obey whether of sin

Romans 6:17 V-AIA-2P
GRK: τῆς ἁμαρτίας ὑπηκούσατε δὲ ἐκ
NAS: of sin, you became obedient from the heart
KJV: but ye have obeyed from
INT: of sin you obeyed moreover from [the]

Romans 10:16 V-AIA-3P
GRK: οὐ πάντες ὑπήκουσαν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ
NAS: they did not all heed the good news;
KJV: not all obeyed the gospel. For
INT: not all obeyed the gospel

Ephesians 6:1 V-PMA-2P
GRK: Τὰ τέκνα ὑπακούετε τοῖς γονεῦσιν
NAS: Children, obey your parents
KJV: Children, obey your parents
INT: Children obey the parents

Ephesians 6:5 V-PMA-2P
GRK: Οἱ δοῦλοι ὑπακούετε τοῖς κατὰ
NAS: Slaves, be obedient to those
KJV: Servants, be obedient to them that are [your] masters
INT: slaves obey the according to

Philippians 2:12 V-AIA-2P
GRK: καθὼς πάντοτε ὑπηκούσατε μὴ ὡς
NAS: as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence
KJV: ye have always obeyed, not as
INT: even as always you obeyed not as

Colossians 3:20 V-PMA-2P
GRK: Τὰ τέκνα ὑπακούετε τοῖς γονεῦσιν
NAS: Children, be obedient to your parents
KJV: Children, obey [your] parents in
INT: Children obey the parents

Colossians 3:22 V-PMA-2P
GRK: Οἱ δοῦλοι ὑπακούετε κατὰ πάντα
NAS: in all things obey those
KJV: Servants, obey in all things
INT: Slaves obey in all things

2 Thessalonians 1:8 V-PPA-DMP
GRK: τοῖς μὴ ὑπακούουσιν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ
NAS: and to those who do not obey the gospel
KJV: God, and that obey not the gospel
INT: those that not obey the gospel

2 Thessalonians 3:14 V-PIA-3S
GRK: τις οὐχ ὑπακούει τῷ λόγῳ
NAS: anyone does not obey our instruction
KJV: And if any man obey not our
INT: anyone not obey this instruction

Hebrews 5:9 V-PPA-DMP
GRK: πᾶσιν τοῖς ὑπακούουσιν αὐτῷ αἴτιος
NAS: those who obey Him the source
KJV: salvation unto all them that obey him;
INT: to all those who obey him author

Hebrews 11:8 V-AIA-3S
GRK: καλούμενος Ἀβραὰμ ὑπήκουσεν ἐξελθεῖν εἰς
NAS: when he was called, obeyed by going
KJV: an inheritance, obeyed; and
INT: being called Abraham obeyed to go out into

1 Peter 3:6 V-IIA-3S
GRK: ὡς Σάρρα ὑπήκουσεν τῷ Ἀβραάμ
NAS: just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling
KJV: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling
INT: as Sarah obeyed Abraham

Also ‘ignorance’ and ‘ignorant’ used by Pharisees to insult stupid Gentiles…but not a single listing by APOSTLES John or Matthew:

Strong’s Greek: 52. ἄγνοια (agnoia) — 4 Occurrences

Acts 3:17 N-AFS
GRK: ὅτι κατὰ ἄγνοιαν ἐπράξατε ὥσπερ
NAS: that you acted in ignorance, just
KJV: that through ignorance ye did [it], as
INT: that in ignorance you acted as

Acts 17:30 N-GFS
GRK: χρόνους τῆς ἀγνοίας ὑπεριδὼν ὁ
NAS: the times of ignorance, God
KJV: the times of this ignorance God
INT: times of ignorance having overlooked

Ephesians 4:18 N-AFS
GRK: διὰ τὴν ἄγνοιαν τὴν οὖσαν
NAS: because of the ignorance that is in them, because
KJV: through the ignorance that is
INT: on account of the ignorance which is

1 Peter 1:14 N-DFS
GRK: ἐν τῇ ἀγνοίᾳ ὑμῶν ἐπιθυμίαις
NAS: lusts [which were yours] in your ignorance,
KJV: in your ignorance:
INT: in the ignorance of you desires

Strong’s Greek: 50. ἀγνοέω (agnoeó) — 22 Occurrences

Mark 9:32 V-IIA-3P
GRK: οἱ δὲ ἠγνόουν τὸ ῥῆμα
NAS: But they did not understand [this] statement,
KJV: But they understood not that saying,
INT: and they understood not the saying

Luke 9:45 V-IIA-3P
GRK: οἱ δὲ ἠγνόουν τὸ ῥῆμα
NAS: But they did not understand this
KJV: But they understood not this saying,
INT: but they understand not the word

Acts 13:27 V-APA-NMP
GRK: αὐτῶν τοῦτον ἀγνοήσαντες καὶ τὰς
NAS: and their rulers, recognizing neither Him nor
KJV: him not, nor yet
INT: of them him not having known and the

Acts 17:23 V-PPA-NMP
GRK: ὃ οὖν ἀγνοοῦντες εὐσεβεῖτε τοῦτο
NAS: you worship in ignorance, this
KJV: therefore ye ignorantly worship,
INT: Whom therefore not knowing you worship him

Romans 1:13 V-PNA
GRK: δὲ ὑμᾶς ἀγνοεῖν ἀδελφοί ὅτι
NAS: I do not want you to be unaware, brethren,
KJV: have you ignorant, brethren, that
INT: moreover you to be ignorant brothers that

Romans 2:4 V-PPA-NMS
GRK: μακροθυμίας καταφρονεῖς ἀγνοῶν ὅτι τὸ
NAS: and patience, not knowing that the kindness
KJV: longsuffering; not knowing that
INT: patience despise you not knowing that the

Romans 6:3 V-PIA-2P
GRK: ἢ ἀγνοεῖτε ὅτι ὅσοι
NAS: Or do you not know that all of us who
KJV: Know ye not, that so many of us
INT: Or are you ignorant that as many as

Romans 7:1 V-PIA-2P
GRK: Ἢ ἀγνοεῖτε ἀδελφοί γινώσκουσιν
NAS: Or do you not know, brethren
KJV: Know ye not, brethren, (for
INT: or Are you ignorant brothers to those knowing

Romans 10:3 V-PPA-NMP
GRK: ἀγνοοῦντες γὰρ τὴν
NAS: For not knowing about God’s
KJV: For they being ignorant of God’s
INT: being ignorant of indeed the

Romans 11:25 V-PNA
GRK: θέλω ὑμᾶς ἀγνοεῖν ἀδελφοί τὸ
NAS: you, brethren, to be uninformed of this
KJV: that ye should be ignorant of this
INT: do I wish you to be ignorant brothers the

1 Corinthians 10:1 V-PNA
GRK: γὰρ ὑμᾶς ἀγνοεῖν ἀδελφοί ὅτι
NAS: For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren,
KJV: that ye should be ignorant, how that
INT: now you to be ignorant brothers that

1 Corinthians 12:1 V-PNA
GRK: θέλω ὑμᾶς ἀγνοεῖν
NAS: I do not want you to be unaware.
KJV: have you ignorant.
INT: I do wish you to be ignorant

1 Corinthians 14:38 V-PIA-3S
GRK: δέ τις ἀγνοεῖ ἀγνοεῖται
NAS: anyone does not recognize [this], he is not recognized.
KJV: if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
INT: however any be ignorant let him be ignorant

1 Corinthians 14:38 V-PIM/P-3S
GRK: τις ἀγνοεῖ ἀγνοεῖται
NAS: does not recognize [this], he is not recognized.
KJV: be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
INT: any be ignorant let him be ignorant

2 Corinthians 1:8 V-PNA
GRK: θέλομεν ὑμᾶς ἀγνοεῖν ἀδελφοί ὑπὲρ
NAS: For we do not want you to be unaware, brethren,
KJV: have you ignorant of our
INT: do we wish you to be ignorant brothers as to

2 Corinthians 2:11 V-PIA-1P
GRK: τὰ νοήματα ἀγνοοῦμεν
NAS: of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.
KJV: we are not ignorant of his
INT: thoughts are we ignorant

2 Corinthians 6:9 V-PPM/P-NMP
GRK: ὡς ἀγνοούμενοι καὶ ἐπιγινωσκόμενοι
NAS: as unknown yet well-known,
KJV: As unknown, and [yet] well known;
INT: as being unknown and well-known

Galatians 1:22 V-PPM/P-NMS
GRK: ἤμην δὲ ἀγνοούμενος τῷ προσώπῳ
NAS: I was [still] unknown by sight
KJV: was unknown by face
INT: I was moreover unknown by face

1 Thessalonians 4:13 V-PNA
GRK: δὲ ὑμᾶς ἀγνοεῖν ἀδελφοί περὶ
NAS: But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren,
KJV: you to be ignorant, brethren,
INT: but you to be ignorant brothers concerning

1 Timothy 1:13 V-PPA-NMS
GRK: ἠλεήθην ὅτι ἀγνοῶν ἐποίησα ἐν
NAS: I acted ignorantly in unbelief;
KJV: I did [it] ignorantly in
INT: I was shown mercy because being ignorant I did [it] in

Hebrews 5:2 V-PPA-DMP
GRK: δυνάμενος τοῖς ἀγνοοῦσιν καὶ πλανωμένοις
NAS: deal gently with the ignorant and misguided,
KJV: have compassion on the ignorant, and
INT: being able with those being ignorant and erring

2 Peter 2:12 V-PIA-3P
GRK: ἐν οἷς ἀγνοοῦσιν βλασφημοῦντες ἐν
NAS: where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction
KJV: the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish
INT: in what they are ignorant of speaking evil in

Strong’s Greek: 51. ἀγνόημα (agnoéma) — 1 Occurrence

Hebrews 9:7 N-GNP
GRK: τοῦ λαοῦ ἀγνοημάτων
NAS: for himself and for the sins of the people
KJV: and [for] the errors of the people:
INT: of the people sins of ignorance



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    • sharonjorgen

      It would take MONTHS to cover all of the pharisee phavorites that so-called Peter 1 & 2 indulges in…that apostles Matthew and John never use in sharing the eternal words of life:

      μάλιστα (malista) — 12 Occurrences
      Strong’s 3122

      Acts 20:38 Adv
      GRK: ὀδυνώμενοι μάλιστα ἐπὶ τῷ
      NAS: grieving especially over the word
      KJV: Sorrowing most of all for the words
      INT: distressed most of all for the

      Acts 25:26 Adv
      GRK: ὑμῶν καὶ μάλιστα ἐπὶ σοῦ
      NAS: I have brought him before you [all] and especially before
      KJV: you, and specially before thee,
      INT: you and especially before you

      Acts 26:3 Adv
      GRK: μάλιστα γνώστην ὄντα
      NAS: especially because you are an expert
      KJV: Especially [because I know] thee
      INT: especially acquainted being

      Galatians 6:10 Adv
      GRK: πρὸς πάντας μάλιστα δὲ πρὸς
      NAS: to all people, and especially to those
      INT: toward all especially moreover toward

      Philippians 4:22 Adv
      GRK: οἱ ἅγιοι μάλιστα δὲ οἱ
      NAS: greet you, especially those
      KJV: you, chiefly they that are of Caesar’s
      INT: the saints especially moreover those

      1 Timothy 4:10 Adv
      GRK: πάντων ἀνθρώπων μάλιστα πιστῶν
      NAS: of all men, especially of believers.
      KJV: men, specially of those that believe.
      INT: of all men especially of believers

      1 Timothy 5:8 Adv
      GRK: ἰδίων καὶ μάλιστα οἰκείων οὐ
      NAS: for his own, and especially for those of his household,
      KJV: and specially for those of his own house,
      INT: own and especially [his] household not

      1 Timothy 5:17 Adv
      GRK: τιμῆς ἀξιούσθωσαν μάλιστα οἱ κοπιῶντες
      NAS: honor, especially those
      KJV: honour, especially they who labour
      INT: honor let be counted worthy especially those straining

      2 Timothy 4:13 Adv
      GRK: τὰ βιβλία μάλιστα τὰς μεμβράνας
      NAS: and the books, especially the parchments.
      KJV: the books, [but] especially the parchments.
      INT: the books especially the parchments

      Titus 1:10 Adv
      GRK: καὶ φρεναπάται μάλιστα οἱ ἐκ
      NAS: and deceivers, especially those
      KJV: deceivers, specially they of
      INT: and deceivers especially those of

      Philemon 1:16 Adv
      GRK: ἀδελφὸν ἀγαπητόν μάλιστα ἐμοί πόσῳ
      NAS: brother, especially to me, but how much
      KJV: beloved, specially to me,
      INT: a brother beloved especially to me how much

      2 Peter 2:10 Adv
      GRK: μάλιστα δὲ τοὺς
      NAS: and especially those who indulge
      KJV: But chiefly them that walk after
      INT: especially moreover those who

      “Let the elders that rule well be counted WORTHY OF DOUBLE HONOR, ESPECIALLY they who labour in the word and doctrine.” 1 Timothy 5:17

      • sharonjorgen

        In fact “Peter” is little more than Cliffnotes to Paul’s letters to Timothy…WHERE IS apostle Peter’s eyewitness testimony of walking with the Word made flesh for 3 years and MESSIAH’S wisdom which astounded the world and enraged the Pharisees? Completely missing!

        “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own LUSTS.
        2 Peter 3:3

        1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
        2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
        3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
        4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
        5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
        6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers LUSTS…………. BLAH BLAH BLAH!! What a waste of paper :!:

        2 Timothy 3

        Same with the “Jude” Cliffnotes:

        16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own LUSTS; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.
        17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly LUSTS.

        YYYYYAAAAWWWNNNN! Can’t find a yawn emoticon :razz:

    • Cintus Supremus

      “1 & 2 Peter are rife with language that true apostles Matthew and John ABSOLUTELY NEVER use when bringing the testimony of Jesus Christ…”

      Which is PROOF positive that the author of 1 and 2 Peter is a FRAUD!!! (Not merely that different men have different writing styles.)

      “Would you be shocked to learn that ‘obedience’ and ‘obey’ are used ONLY for Pharisee doctrine, except when the Son of God caused the wind and sea to obey…”

      And? The Apostle James uses the Greek word πείθεσθαι. That word too is translated into English as ‘obey’. And? Is the concept of obedience foreign to the Gospel? Is it foreign to the Old Testament? Is it foreign to the Torah? Again – different authors employ different writing styles and that *just might* mean they use different words as well. Or would you rather have 27 Books in the New Testament which each said exactly the same thing in the same way? (That would be loads of fun, not to mention profoundly informative, no?)

      This picayune objection of yours is of an even lesser caliber than your usual no-account objections to sound biblical teaching.

      • sharonjorgen

        Ah, the ‘James’ Cliffnotes for Pharisee doctrine, same meaningless ‘lust’ talk — when Messiah used that word to indict PHARISEES!

        “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
        John 8:44

        14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
        15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
        James 1

        • Cintus Supremus


          You know, Isaiah and Ezekiel employed somewhat differing vocabularies in their own Books. I guess in Sharon land, that’s evidence one or the other of them is a lying-ass-dog.

          So it goes with your consistency, madam.

          It is found wanting.

      • sharonjorgen

        What the Torah/Old Testament AND Matthew and John consistently say is keep the commandments of YHWH and do the will of the Father in heaven…which Pharisee Paul’s co-conspirators do not!

        “Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.”
        2 Timothy 4:11



        • Mayhem

          Isn’t it strange then, sharonjorgen, that Mark would quote Jesus (Mark 7:8-9) rebuking the Pharisees for not keeping the commandments?

          Or that Luke would describe Zecharia and Elizabeth as observant of all that the Lord commands (Luke 1:5-6) not to mention Luke quoting Jesus (Luke 6:46, 11:28 & 18:20) upholding the same?

          Why do you spout such easily disproved BS, is it because you think your readers are stupid, or that they’ll take your word over and above the word of God?

          • Cintus Supremus

            It’s because she harbors an abomination within her that she finds roundly rebuked in the Letters of the Apostle Paul.

            • Cintus Supremus

              I mean, just look on this page alone how she rails against the condemnation of lust.

              BOLD BOLD LETTERS!!!

              I see you, Ms. Jorgen

          • sharonjorgen

            Mark alters the words of Jesus, so that Pharisee Paul can later say “eat food sacrificed to idols” or ‘whatever you want…just bless that ham sandwich to the glory of God’ — which does not keep the commandment of YHWH!

            “There is NOTHING from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.”
            Mark 7:15

            Also Mark never reaches the conclusion of the matter regarding the Pharisee criticism of His disciples: “BUT TO EAT WITH UNWASHEN HANDS DEFILETH NOT A MAN”

            17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
            18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
            19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
            20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

            Matthew 15

            • Cintus Supremus

              “Mark alters the words of Jesus…”

              And you know this how, exactly? Do please bear in mind that the Gospel according to Mark was written before the Gospel according to Matthew.

              Your quotation of Mark 7:15 with bold added:

              “There is NOTHING from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.”

              RIGHT!!! Now then, what was this very comment in DIRECT reference to? Was it in reference to all food substances known to Jews and Gentiles? No. It was in DIRECT reference to WASHING OF THE HANDS before eating, which the Pharisees were complaining lacked in His disciples. He answered their objection DIRECTLY, stating as He did. Let Scripture define Scripture, Ms. Jorgen. That way, you will eliminate confusion and save yourself inestimable trouble.

              But you object:

              “Also Mark never reaches the conclusion of the matter regarding the Pharisee criticism of His disciples: “BUT TO EAT WITH UNWASHEN HANDS DEFILETH NOT A MAN”…”

              Of course he did. There is a thing called proper biblical exegesis, which requires that we seek to previous references in order to determine subject matter. In this case οὐδέν (nothing) is a direct reference to ἀλλὰ κοιναῖς χερσὶν ἐσθίουσιν τὸν ἄρτον (…but with COMMON [κοιναῖς] hands eat the bread… [Mark 7:5]). This passage in Mark is entirely about misapplication of the Ordinances of God. It is NOT about eating unclean foods.

              “…just bless that ham sandwich to the glory of God…”

              Been down that road with you many times, Ms. Jorgen. You are embellishing. You are inserting meaning into the text of Scripture which is not found in the words as they exist on the pages. The Apostle Paul said nothing of the kind, at any time. Ever.

            • sharonjorgen

              Pharisee Paul:
              23 ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL FOR ME, but all things are not expedient: ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL FOR ME,…

              28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof:

              29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is MY LIBERTY judged of another man’s conscience?

              30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

              31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or WHATSOEVER YE DO, do all to the glory of God.

              1 Corinthians 10

            • sharonjorgen

              Ham sandwich with blood drippings if they serve it as your REWARD says Luke 10:7 :arrow:

              “And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire (REWARD, misthou, Strong’s 3408)


            • Cintus Supremus

              There’s that biblical exegesis we just talked about, Ms. Jorgen.

              Follow me, if you will —

              Paul wrote: ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL FOR ME.

              Now then, are we to assume by that the apostle meant all things imaginable? Do you presume to tell me that Paul was claiming pederasty or adultery are lawful for him? How about murder, rape, theft or deceit. Am I truly expected to believe that’s what you charge the Apostle Paul with suggesting?

              Of course not. Even you are not as careless. (If I may be so bold.) To what, then, are we to limit Paul’s intended meaning? Quite simply, we trace backwards through the verses until we come upon his intended meaning, which he gives us plainly when he writes:

              1 Corinthians 10:18-22

              Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?

              Thusly are we to rightly rightly understand Scripture, Ms. Jorgen — and not merely by inserting our own imaginary meanings into the texts.

            • Cintus Supremus

              (…thusly rightly rightly…

              you know what I mean.)

            • Mayhem

              Given that those houses were in places that Jesus was about to go (Luke 10:1) and Jesus never traveled far from home what is the likelihood that the apostles would be offered unclean food as opposed to food in accord with Torah especially from them who promoted peace (Luke 10:6) or who were welcoming (Luke 10:8)?

            • sharonjorgen

              Jesus sent His disciples to the LOST sheep of Israel, who had most certainly gone astray in many respects to the commands of YHWH…Including the foods of their captivity — not surprising since they longed for the meals of Egypt during their respite in the desert.

              “But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.” Daniel 1:8

            • Cintus Supremus

              “Jesus sent His disciples to the LOST sheep of Israel, who had most certainly gone astray in many respects to the commands of YHWH…Including the foods of their captivity — not surprising since they longed for the meals of Egypt during their respite in the desert.”

              There is ZERO evidence that the Jews living in Judea at the time of Christ were anything but Torah observant followers of the Law of Moses. There is ZERO evidence in the New Testament that anyone living in the land at that time was in the habit of consuming foods which were contrary to the Torah.

              “But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.”

              And this serves as what? Is this meant to support your argument? This is an example of a Judean who refuses to eat unclean meats, even when in captivity. How on earth is this meant to support your argument that those living in the LAND during the time of the Son of Man were anything but observant of the letter of the Law?

              Your argumentation is hopelessly flawed and you have now, twice on this page, tabled points which militate exactly against the ideas for which you advocate.

            • Mayhem

              You’re conflating where Jesus sent out the 12 (Luke 9) with where He sent out the 72 (Luke 10), sharonjorgen, which is tantamount to a bare faced lie. That is why Luke chapter 10 begins with “After this…” so as not to confuse the two.

              The 12 were sent to the lost sheep of Israel (Matt 10:5) the 72 were sent to where peace was promoted and where they were welcomed where Jesus Himself would soon go.

              Will you stop at nothing in your attempt to hide the truth?

            • sharonjorgen

              Mark is NOT AN APOSTLE NOR AN EYEWITNESS, so it is irrelevant if his account was circulated preferentially — Matthew & John are the true testifiers on whom Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit :arrow:

              26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

              27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me FROM THE BEGINNING.

              John 15

              21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
              22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit:
              23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
              John 20

            • Cintus Supremus

              This, you have the audacity to say, because the Bible does not convey messages verbatim in all cases — nor does it give the exact same information in the exact same way over and over and over and over…

              Please forgive my saying so, but whether you are one indeed (or not), you do argue like a most irrational woman.

          • sharonjorgen

            Compare the words of Luke and Mark to the testimony of apostles Matthew & John:

            “Thou knowest the commandments…” Luke 18:20
            “Thou knowest the commandments…” Mark 10:19

            “if thou wilt enter into life, KEEP the commandments.” Matt 19:17

            “If ye KEEP my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have KEPT my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.” John 15:10

            “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Rev 14:12

            • Cintus Supremus

              Are these really the lengths to which you will go in order to protect your own beliefs?

              A person who can read Mark, Luke or Paul…

              …and find in those works ANYTHING other than the Word of God…

              …does not have the Spirit of God abiding within them.

              It really is that simple.

            • Cintus Supremus

              I mean, here we have, in Mark and Luke, the Messiah telling someone that he knows the commandments. Now MAYBE, just MAYBE the Messiah didn’t use the word KEEP because that word would have been inappropriate to the occasion. Maybe, just MAYBE, He knew what He was talking about when He said THOU KNOWEST…

              But you would rather compare two occasions which have nothing to do with one another, and pretend you’ve found something important because the words in those unrelated occasions differ somewhat.

              What possible sense does this make, Ms. Jorgen?

              :?: :?: :?:

              What POSSIBLE good can come to you from such wanton abuse of Scripture to suit your purposes?

              :?: :?: :?:

            • Mayhem

              Semantics, sharonjorgen, supported by hiding context and limiting the argument to an exact word criterion.

              In the parable, you referred to, what did the rich man reply when Jesus said he knew the commandments?

              Luke 18:21 – “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.

              Mark 10: 20 – “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

              Kept, sharonjorgen, “kept”, now explain that away if you can.

            • Cintus Supremus

              But he didn’t keep them. He only thought he did.

              That’s why Jesus said thou knowest and not thou keep.

              So Ms. Jorgen’s argument doesn’t even rise to the level of a semantical argument…

              …Her argument is just wrong.

          • sharonjorgen

            Pharisees consider themselves observant, but Messiah said they are hypocrites :!:

            • Cintus Supremus


              A Pharisee would say: I KEEP THE LAW!!!

              Messiah would say to them: You may KNOW the Law…

              …but you do not KEEP the Law.

          • sharonjorgen

            Mayhem finds it strange “that Luke would describe Zecharia and Elizabeth as observant of all that the Lord commands” if this fake apostle were not teaching the doctrine of Jesus to keep the commandments of YHWH :?:

            …but apparently being ‘blameless’ does NOT exclude murdering followers of the Way :twisted:

            5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

            6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, BLAMELESS (amemptos, Strong’s 237).

            Philippians 3

            “And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord BLAMELESS (amemptoi, Strong’s 237).” Luke 1:6

            HOWEVER, like his father the devil, Pharisee Paul gladly accuses the Creator of heaven & earth of producing inferior product using the exact same word :arrow:

            “For if that first covenant had been FAULTLESS (amemptos, Strong’s 237), then should no place have been sought for the second.” Hebrews 8:7

      • sharonjorgen

        SUBMIT/SUBMISSION, an exclusive Pharisee phavorite companion to obey/obedience…that apostles John & Matthew never use because they weren’t disciples of a control freak

        Strong’s Greek: 5293. ὑποτάσσω (hupotassó) — 38 Occurrences

        Luke 2:51 V-PPM/P-NMS
        GRK: καὶ ἦν ὑποτασσόμενος αὐτοῖς καὶ
        NAS: to Nazareth, and He continued in subjection to them; and His mother
        KJV: and was subject unto them: but
        INT: and he was subject to them And

        Luke 10:17 V-PIM/P-3S
        GRK: τὰ δαιμόνια ὑποτάσσεται ἡμῖν ἐν
        NAS: the demons are subject to us in Your name.
        KJV: the devils are subject unto us
        INT: the demons are subject to us through

        Luke 10:20 V-PIM/P-3S
        GRK: πνεύματα ὑμῖν ὑποτάσσεται χαίρετε δὲ
        NAS: that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice
        KJV: the spirits are subject unto you;
        INT: spirits to you are subjected rejoice moreover

        Romans 8:7 V-PIM/P-3S
        GRK: θεοῦ οὐχ ὑποτάσσεται οὐδὲ γὰρ
        NAS: God; for it does not subject itself to the law
        KJV: it is not subject to the law of God,
        INT: of God not is subject not even indeed

        Romans 8:20 V-AIP-3S
        GRK: ἡ κτίσις ὑπετάγη οὐχ ἑκοῦσα
        NAS: For the creation was subjected to futility,
        KJV: the creature was made subject to vanity,
        INT: the creation was subjected not willingly

        Romans 8:20 V-APA-AMS
        GRK: διὰ τὸν ὑποτάξαντα ἐφ’ ἑλπίδι
        NAS: but because of Him who subjected it, in hope
        KJV: by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in
        INT: because of the [one] having subjected [it] in hope

        Romans 10:3 V-AIP-3P
        GRK: θεοῦ οὐχ ὑπετάγησαν
        NAS: their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness
        KJV: not submitted themselves unto the righteousness
        INT: of God not they submitted

        Romans 13:1 V-PMM-3S
        GRK: ἐξουσίαις ὑπερεχούσαις ὑποτασσέσθω οὐ γὰρ
        NAS: person is to be in subjection to the governing
        KJV: soul be subject unto the higher
        INT: to authorities above [him] let be subject not indeed

        Romans 13:5 V-PNM
        GRK: διὸ ἀνάγκη ὑποτάσσεσθαι οὐ μόνον
        NAS: it is necessary to be in subjection, not only
        KJV: [ye] must needs be subject, not
        INT: Therefore necessary [it is] to be subject not only

        1 Corinthians 14:32 V-PIM/P-3S
        GRK: προφητῶν προφήταις ὑποτάσσεται
        NAS: of prophets are subject to prophets;
        KJV: of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
        INT: of prophets to prophets are subject

        1 Corinthians 14:34 V-PMM/P-3P
        GRK: λαλεῖν ἀλλὰ ὑποτασσέσθωσαν καθὼς καὶ
        NAS: to speak, but are to subject themselves, just
        KJV: but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as
        INT: to speak but to be in submission as also

        1 Corinthians 15:27 V-AIA-3S
        GRK: πάντα γὰρ ὑπέταξεν ὑπὸ τοὺς
        KJV: For he hath put all things under
        INT: all things indeed he put in subjection under the

        1 Corinthians 15:27 V-RIM/P-3S
        GRK: ὅτι πάντα ὑποτέτακται δῆλον ὅτι
        KJV: all things are put under [him, it is] manifest
        INT: that all things have been put in subjection [it is] manifest that

        1 Corinthians 15:27 V-APA-GMS
        GRK: ἐκτὸς τοῦ ὑποτάξαντος αὐτῷ τὰ
        NAS: All things are put in subjection, it is evident
        KJV: which did put all things under him.
        INT: [it is] except the [one] having put in subjection to him

        1 Corinthians 15:28 V-ASP-3S
        GRK: ὅταν δὲ ὑποταγῇ αὐτῷ τὰ
        NAS: things are subjected to Him, then
        KJV: all things shall be subdued unto him,
        INT: when moreover shall have been put in subjection to him

        1 Corinthians 15:28 V-FIP-3S
        GRK: ὁ υἱὸς ὑποταγήσεται τῷ ὑποτάξαντι
        NAS: also will be subjected to the One who subjected
        KJV: himself be subject unto him that put
        INT: the Son will be put in subjection to the [one] having put in subjection

        1 Corinthians 15:28 V-APA-DMS
        GRK: ὑποταγήσεται τῷ ὑποτάξαντι αὐτῷ τὰ
        NAS: will be subjected to the One who subjected all
        KJV: all things under him,
        INT: will be put in subjection to the [one] having put in subjection to him

        1 Corinthians 16:16 V-PSM/P-2P
        GRK: καὶ ὑμεῖς ὑποτάσσησθε τοῖς τοιούτοις
        NAS: that you also be in subjection to such men
        KJV: ye submit yourselves unto such,
        INT: also you be subject to such

        Ephesians 1:22 V-AIA-3S
        GRK: καὶ πάντα ὑπέταξεν ὑπὸ τοὺς
        NAS: And He put all things
        KJV: And hath put all [things] under
        INT: and all things he put under the

        Ephesians 5:21 V-PPM/P-NMP
        GRK: ὑποτασσόμενοι ἀλλήλοις ἐν
        NAS: and be subject to one another
        KJV: Submitting yourselves one to another
        INT: submitting yourselves to one another in

        Ephesians 5:24 V-PIM/P-3S
        GRK: ἡ ἐκκλησία ὑποτάσσεται τῷ χριστῷ
        NAS: But as the church is subject to Christ,
        KJV: the church is subject unto Christ,
        INT: the church is subjected to Christ

        Philippians 3:21 V-ANA
        GRK: αὐτὸν καὶ ὑποτάξαι αὑτῷ τὰ
        NAS: even to subject all things
        KJV: even to subdue all things
        INT: of him even to subdue to himself the

        Colossians 3:18 V-PMM-2P
        GRK: Αἱ γυναῖκες ὑποτάσσεσθε τοῖς ἀνδράσιν
        NAS: Wives, be subject to your husbands,
        KJV: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own
        INT: Wives submit yourselves to your own husbands

        Titus 2:5 V-PPM/P-AFP
        GRK: οἰκουργούς ἀγαθάς ὑποτασσομένας τοῖς ἰδίοις
        NAS: kind, being subject to their own
        KJV: good, obedient to their own
        INT: keepers at home kind subject to the own

        Titus 2:9 V-PNM
        GRK: ἰδίοις δεσπόταις ὑποτάσσεσθαι ἐν πᾶσιν
        NAS: [Urge] bondslaves to be subject to their own
        KJV: [Exhort] servants to be obedient unto their own
        INT: to their own masters to be subject in everything

        Titus 3:1 V-PNM
        GRK: ἀρχαῖς ἐξουσίαις ὑποτάσσεσθαι πειθαρχεῖν πρὸς
        NAS: Remind them to be subject to rulers,
        KJV: in mind to be subject to principalities
        INT: to rulers to authorities to be subject to be obedient for

        Hebrews 2:5 V-AIA-3S
        GRK: γὰρ ἀγγέλοις ὑπέταξεν τὴν οἰκουμένην
        NAS: For He did not subject to angels
        KJV: not put in subjection the world
        INT: indeed to angels did he subject the world

        Hebrews 2:8 V-AIA-2S
        GRK: πάντα ὑπέταξας ὑποκάτω τῶν
        KJV: all things in subjection under
        INT: all things you did subject under the

        Hebrews 2:8 V-ANA
        GRK: τῷ γὰρ ὑποτάξαι αὐτῷ τὰ
        KJV: all in subjection under him,
        INT: the indeed subjecting to him

        Hebrews 2:8 V-RPM/P-ANP
        GRK: τὰ πάντα ὑποτεταγμένα
        NAS: HIS FEET. For in subjecting all things
        KJV: not yet all things put under him.
        INT: all things subjected

        Hebrews 12:9 V-FIP-1P
        GRK: δὲ μᾶλλον ὑποταγησόμεθα τῷ πατρὶ
        NAS: rather be subject to the Father
        KJV: rather be in subjection unto the Father
        INT: also rather will we be in subjection to the Father

        James 4:7 V-AMP-2P
        GRK: Ὑποτάγητε οὖν τῷ
        NAS: Submit therefore to God.
        KJV: Submit yourselves therefore to God.
        INT: Subject yourselves therefore

        1 Peter 2:13 V-AMP-2P
        GRK: Ὑποτάγητε πάσῃ ἀνθρωπίνῃ
        NAS: Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake
        KJV: Submit yourselves to every ordinance
        INT: Be in subjection to every human

        1 Peter 2:18 V-PPM/P-NMP
        GRK: Οἱ οἰκέται ὑποτασσόμενοι ἐν παντὶ
        NAS: Servants, be submissive to your masters
        KJV: Servants, [be] subject to [your] masters
        INT: Servants being subject with all

        1 Peter 3:1 V-PPM/P-NFP
        GRK: αἱ γυναῖκες ὑποτασσόμεναι τοῖς ἰδίοις
        NAS: you wives, be submissive to your own
        KJV: ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own
        INT: wives being subject to the own

        1 Peter 3:5 V-PPM/P-NFP
        GRK: ἐκόσμουν ἑαυτάς ὑποτασσόμεναι τοῖς ἰδίοις
        NAS: themselves, being submissive to their own
        KJV: themselves, being in subjection unto their own
        INT: adorned themselves being subject to the own

        1 Peter 3:22 V-APP-GMP
        GRK: εἰς οὐρανὸν ὑποταγέντων αὐτῷ ἀγγέλων
        NAS: and powers had been subjected to Him.
        KJV: powers being made subject unto him.
        INT: into heaven having been subjected to him angels

        1 Peter 5:5 V-AMP-2P
        GRK: Ὁμοίως νεώτεροι ὑποτάγητε πρεσβυτέροις Πάντες
        NAS: likewise, be subject to [your] elders;
        KJV: ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder.
        INT: Likewise [you] younger [ones] be subject to [the] elder [ones] all

        • Cintus Supremus

          Your conscience is seared and you’ve been given over to your rebellion.

          Your arguments are invalid and are painfully unjust.

          You are a false judge and a bearer of false witness.

          None of this will end well for you.

    • sharonjorgen

      There are 4 lists of apostles/eyewitnesses who lived with the Word made flesh…NONE of which include Luke or Mark or Paul — whose testimony will you accept?

      2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and JOHN his brother;
      3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and MATTHEW the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
      4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

      Matthew 10

      That # remains 12 to the end “And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” Rev 21:14

      • Cintus Supremus

        “…whose testimony will you accept?”

        I will accept the testimony of the Word of God. I will accept the testimony of the synoptic Gospels (they are so-called for good reason) – Matthew, Mark and Luke. I will accept the testimony of the fourth Gospel. And I will accept the testimony of the Apostle Paul and the Pastoral Letters of the New Testament – NONE OF WHICH bears any form of contradiction one to the next, which is not resolved through careful, that is prudent, examination and diligent attention to detail. Your walk is skewed owing to your agenda.

        “…and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.”

        Judas was replaced. But by whom? Is an apostle chosen via a lottery? Or is not the very definition of the Greek word απόστολος ONE WHO IS SENT. Sent by whom? Sent by Christ. Matthias was not sent by Christ (not that you believe anything written in Acts – which is to your detriment). But Paul was. Therefore, Paul is the 12th Apostle – and you can expect to see Paul’s name engraved on one side of the foundation of New Jerusalem.

        Ms. Jorgen –

        Exactly NONE of your objections against Paul or any New Testament Book are supported by anything other than your confused opinions. ALL of your objections are resolved, easily, when the facts of Scripture are considered in the light of New Testament teaching – all of which comes to us directly from the Word of God; none of which comes from our own vain imaginations.

        What you have left yourself with by gutting the New Testament of most of its substance, is a sub-standard and utterly inadequate understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Your weakened vision of the Gospel is incomplete and, as a result, will NOT result in saving you from the wrath of God. All who accuse the Apostle Paul of deception and criminality do so in gross error and do so to their own injury because they have failed to take time to rightly understand the entire New Testament Narrative of Salvation.

        Would that you reconsider the very dangerous position you have taken.

        • sharonjorgen

          Mayhem tried proving that non-apostle Luke brought the doctrine of Messiah to “keep the commandments of God” (as Matthew and John testified) with the following verse:

          “But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
          Luke 11:28

          It says “word of God” — NOT COMMANDMENTS — which according to CS includes the words of a Pharisee that the Council of Nicaea in 325ad forced upon the populous.

          CS believes that the budding Roman Catholic Church was a faithful authority in determining what was the Word of God…not surprising since the supreme book of obedience and submission is Pharisee Paul’s epistle to the ROMANS :!:

          • sharonjorgen

            Also from Mayhem, “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” Luke 6:46 which could be doctrine from most any religious leader!

            The distinct teaching of the Messiah: ‘keep the commandments of God and do the will of my Father in heaven’ — YHWH

            The fake apostles are conspicuously absent, they never give instruction to KEEP the commandments :arrow:

            Strong’s Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó)

            Matthew 19:17 V-PMA-2S
            GRK: ζωὴν εἰσελθεῖν τήρησον τὰς ἐντολάς
            NAS: into life, keep the commandments.
            KJV: into life, keep the commandments.
            INT: life to enter keep the commandments

            Matthew 23:3 V-PMA-2P
            GRK: ποιήσατε καὶ τηρεῖτε κατὰ δὲ
            NAS: you, do and observe, but do not do
            KJV: you observe, [that] observe
            INT: to keep also keep after however

            Matthew 28:20 V-PNA
            GRK: διδάσκοντες αὐτοὺς τηρεῖν πάντα ὅσα
            NAS: teaching them to observe all
            KJV: them to observe all things
            INT: teaching them to observe all things whatever

            John 8:51 V-ASA-3S
            GRK: ἐμὸν λόγον τηρήσῃ θάνατον οὐ
            NAS: anyone keeps My word
            KJV: If a man keep my saying,
            INT: my word keep death never

            John 8:52 V-ASA-3S
            GRK: λόγον μου τηρήσῃ οὐ μὴ
            NAS: anyone keeps My word,
            KJV: If a man keep my saying,
            INT: word of me keeps never not

            John 8:55 V-PIA-1S
            GRK: λόγον αὐτοῦ τηρῶ
            NAS: you, but I do know Him and keep His word.
            KJV: him, and keep his saying.
            INT: word of him I keep

            John 14:15 V-FIA-2P
            GRK: τὰς ἐμὰς τηρήσετε
            NAS: you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
            KJV: ye love me, keep my commandments.
            INT: my keep

            John 14:21 V-PPA-NMS
            GRK: μου καὶ τηρῶν αὐτὰς ἐκεῖνός
            NAS: My commandments and keeps them is the one
            KJV: commandments, and keepeth them, he
            INT: of me and keeps them he

            John 14:23 V-FIA-3S
            GRK: λόγον μου τηρήσει καὶ ὁ
            NAS: loves Me, he will keep My word;
            KJV: love me, he will keep my words:
            INT: word of me he will keep and the

            John 14:24 V-PIA-3S
            GRK: μου οὐ τηρεῖ καὶ ὁ
            NAS: He who does not love Me does not keep My words;
            KJV: me not keepeth not my
            INT: of me not does keep and the

            John 15:10 V-ASA-2P
            GRK: ἐντολάς μου τηρήσητε μενεῖτε ἐν
            NAS: If you keep My commandments,
            KJV: If ye keep my commandments,
            INT: commandments of me you keep you will abide in

            John 15:10 V-RIA-1S
            GRK: τὰς ἐντολὰς τετήρηκα καὶ μένω
            NAS: just as I have kept My Father’s
            KJV: even as I have kept my Father’s
            INT: the commandments have kept and abide

            John 15:20 V-AIA-3P
            GRK: λόγον μου ἐτήρησαν καὶ τὸν
            NAS: you; if they kept My word,
            KJV: you; if they have kept my saying,
            INT: word of me they kept also

            John 15:20 V-FIA-3P
            GRK: τὸν ὑμέτερον τηρήσουσιν
            NAS: My word, they will keep yours
            KJV: my saying, they will keep yours also.
            INT: yours they will keep

            John 17:6 V-RIA-3P
            GRK: λόγον σου τετήρηκαν
            NAS: and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
            KJV: me; and they have kept thy word.
            INT: word of you they have kept

            1 John 2:3 V-PSA-1P
            GRK: ἐντολὰς αὐτοῦ τηρῶμεν
            NAS: Him, if we keep His commandments.
            KJV: him, if we keep his commandments.
            INT: commandments of him we keep

            1 John 2:4 V-PPA-NMS
            GRK: αὐτοῦ μὴ τηρῶν ψεύστης ἐστίν
            NAS: I have come to know Him, and does not keep His commandments,
            KJV: him, and keepeth not his
            INT: of him not is keeping a liar is

            1 John 2:5 V-PSA-3S
            GRK: δ’ ἂν τηρῇ αὐτοῦ τὸν
            NAS: but whoever keeps His word,
            INT: however anyhow might keep his

            1 John 3:22 V-PIA-1P
            GRK: ἐντολὰς αὐτοῦ τηροῦμεν καὶ τὰ
            NAS: from Him, because we keep His commandments
            KJV: him, because we keep his commandments,
            INT: commandments of him we keep and the things

            1 John 3:24 V-PPA-NMS
            GRK: καὶ ὁ τηρῶν τὰς ἐντολὰς
            NAS: The one who keeps His commandments
            KJV: And he that keepeth his commandments
            INT: And he that keeps the commandments

            1 John 5:3 V-PSA-1P
            GRK: ἐντολὰς αὐτοῦ τηρῶμεν καὶ αἱ
            NAS: of God, that we keep His commandments;
            KJV: of God, that we keep his commandments:
            INT: commandments of him we should keep and the

            Revelation 1:3 V-PPA-NMP
            GRK: προφητείας καὶ τηροῦντες τὰ ἐν
            NAS: of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written
            KJV: and keep those things which are written
            INT: prophecy and keep the things in

            Revelation 2:26 V-PPA-NMS
            GRK: καὶ ὁ τηρῶν ἄχρι τέλους
            NAS: He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds
            KJV: and keepeth my
            INT: and he that keeps until [the] end

            Revelation 3:3 V-PMA-2S
            GRK: ἤκουσας καὶ τήρει καὶ μετανόησον
            NAS: and heard; and keep [it], and repent.
            KJV: heard, and hold fast, and repent.
            INT: heard and keep [it] and repent

            Revelation 3:8 V-AIA-2S
            GRK: δύναμιν καὶ ἐτήρησάς μου τὸν
            NAS: power, and have kept My word,
            KJV: strength, and hast kept my word,
            INT: power and did keep my

            Revelation 3:10 V-AIA-2S
            GRK: ὅτι ἐτήρησας τὸν λόγον
            NAS: Because you have kept the word
            KJV: Because thou hast kept the word of my
            INT: Because you did keep the word

            Revelation 12:17 V-PPA-GMP
            GRK: αὐτῆς τῶν τηρούντων τὰς ἐντολὰς
            NAS: of her children, who keep the commandments
            KJV: which keep the commandments
            INT: of her who keep the commandments

            Revelation 14:12 V-PPA-NMP
            GRK: ἐστίν οἱ τηροῦντες τὰς ἐντολὰς
            NAS: of the saints who keep the commandments
            KJV: here [are] they that keep the commandments
            INT: is they who keep the commandments

            Revelation 22:7 V-PPA-NMS
            GRK: μακάριος ὁ τηρῶν τοὺς λόγους
            NAS: Blessed is he who heeds the words
            KJV: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings
            INT: Blessed [is] he who keeps the words

            Revelation 22:9 V-PPA-GMP
            GRK: καὶ τῶν τηρούντων τοὺς λόγους
            NAS: and of those who heed the words
            KJV: and of them which keep the sayings
            INT: and of those who keep the words

            • Damien


              You are ranting about the apostles to the ancient Judeans. They were destroyed 1950 years past

          • Cintus Supremus

            “It says “word of God” — NOT COMMANDMENTS — which according to CS includes the words of a Pharisee that the Council of Nicaea in 325ad forced upon the populous (sic).”

            It comes as NO surprise you are as ignorant of church history as most folks. It comes as NO surprise you get your information about such things from the same silly internet sources as the populus. You’re feeding at a tainted trough, Ms. Jorgen. Explore sound historical sources and learn to distinguish truth from nonsense.

            “CS believes that the budding Roman Catholic Church was a faithful authority in determining what was the Word of God…”

            Yet more false witness from an unsettled mind. Has it ever occurred to you to ASK ME what I believe rather than fumbling your way through this conversation the way you fumble your way through the Scriptures? Are you privy to the operation of my mind? Ask me and I will answer. Don’t presume to tell me what I believe. You will ALWAYS be wrong when you do that.

            …not surprising since the supreme book of obedience and submission is Pharisee Paul’s epistle to the ROMANS

            • Cintus Supremus

              (Final sentence above should not have posted. It’s a comment I do not feel deserves to be addressed and I meant to delete it — not post it.)

        • sharonjorgen

          A better choice to replace Judas Iscariot’s name engraved on the foundation of the New Jerusalem is the one testified to by Jesus, the Father, John, Matthew and himself: John the baptist!

          Pharisee Paul testified of himself.

          Apostle, the Greek word απόστολος ONE WHO IS SENT :arrow:

          “For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I SEND my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.”
          Matthew 11:10

          “Behold, I will SEND my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and YHWH, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith YHWH of hosts.”
          Malachi 3:1

          6 There was a man SENT from God, whose name was John.
          7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
          8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
          9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

          John 1

          “Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am SENT before him.”
          John 3:28

          • Cintus Supremus

            “John the baptist!”

            This, Ms. Jorgen, of all the things you have written in the article above and in the comment section, is easily supportable by Scripture.

            The Baptist most certainly does meet the citerion of an apostle.

            Who knows… perhaps you are correct about his placement among the 12.

            But even if his name is not engraved on the foundations, you are not correct about the Apostle Paul. Paul has testified and he has done so in perfect keeping with the statutes and the ordinances of God. Paul has testified and he has been confirmed by a second witness — and by a third. You reject the testimony and the witnesses. That is your choice. And like all choices, you will be called to answer for it In That Day. What you wouldn’t give then to come back to NOW and do a better job. And yet… here you are…

            • sharonjorgen

              John the baptist has the most credible witnesses imaginable…NONE of which spoke of a Pharisee doing squat for the kingdom of heaven (just the opposite):

              YHWH in the torah — zero
              Jesus, Word in the flesh — zero
              John the apostle — zero
              Matthew the apostle — zero
              John the baptist — zero


            • Cintus Supremus

              Your argument is meant to be meaningful?

              You judge the content of the material based on its own merits. You weigh the testimony and the witnesses based upon their own merits.

              You have found Mark, Luke, Peter and Paul to be liars.

              I submit to you, that will be a very serious problem for you one day.

              Your judgment is in error and your witness is false.

            • sharonjorgen

              What argument?! The fact is Pharisee Paul and his co-conspirators have NO credible witnesses unlike John the baptist, Jesus the Messiah, apostle Matthew and apostle John.

              cs writes “You judge the content of the material based on its own merit.” — which is precisely what Eve did in the garden when considering the serpent’s argument :idea: to disobey the instructions of YHWH.

            • Truthseeker


              Paul held to the doctrine of the Pharisees UNTIL Jesus Christ converted HIM, but some of doctrines of the Pharisees are true such as there is to be a resurrection of the dead which Paul taught and believed as do I.

              Christ told His disciples to obey those sitting in the judgment seat of Moses and they were — ALL — Pharisees –BUT not DO as they did because they taught the Law but would not keep it themselves — PAUL kept the Torah as did Christ.

              1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

              2 Saying, The scribes and the “”"”"Pharisees”"”"” sit in Moses’ seat:

              3 —All — therefore whatsoever “”they”"” bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not

              can you not read the words of Jesus Christ telling HIS disciples to DO as the PHARISEES tell them to do —-TO DO According to the Torah.

              Sharon can you read and believe the words spoken by Jesus Christ that Matthew recorded?

            • sharonjorgen

              Yes, apostle Matthew testifies that the Pharisees are competent to teach the Torah, so that the people will know the law of YHWH in order to keep it…but also “Beware their doctrine!” Pharisee doctrine comes from their Father the devil.

            • Truthseeker


              Matthew only recorded the Words of Jesus Christ, Matthew did not make that statement.

              Sharon Jesus Christ is telling us the sect of the Pharisees were sitting in the seat of Moses and what ever they tell you is the LAW — DO IT but do not DO AS THEY DO because they do not keep the Law.

              The seat of Moses was that of a judge and all judgments must be in accord with the Torah.

              The point IS — Paul kept and taught the LAW and you seem to have a problem with that — Christ did not have a problem with any that taught the Torah – the problem is with those that know the Torah but refuse to personally obey it — please show us where Paul was not following not only the letter of the law but the spiritual intent as well.

              Sharon I do not believe you can show Paul did not keep the Law and did not teach the Law and if not — you have no argument.

            • sharonjorgen

              Ts we are in agreement regarding Matthew’s testimony that Jesus said the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat; therefore, do the law of YHWH as they instruct…unfortunately you DO NOT take to heart the 36 verses following those three.

              Can a murderer have been blameless? :!:

              5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a PHARISEE;

              6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, BLAMELESS.

              Philippians 3

              If :?: :?: :?: you will believe the Messiah…’blameless pharisee’ is an oxymoron, i.e., lie AND Jesus prophesied “Ye shall NOT see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” — THERFORE NO PAUL CONVERSION!!

              4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
              5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
              6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
              7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
              8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
              9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
              10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
              11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
              12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

              13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

              14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

              15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

              16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
              17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
              18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
              19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
              20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
              21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
              22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

              23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
              24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

              25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
              26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

              27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
              28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

              29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
              30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
              31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
              32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
              33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

              34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
              35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
              36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

              37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
              38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
              39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

              Matthew 23

              before considering the doctrine of a PHARISEE!?

            • sharonjorgen

              Paul adding to the Torah:

              1 Children, OBEY YOUR PARENTS in the Lord: for this is right.
              2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)
              3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
              Ephesians 6

              “Children, OBEY YOUR PARENTS IN ALL THINGS: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.”
              Colossians 3:20

              “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and HOLD THE TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”
              2 Thessalonians 2:15

              “And if any man obey not OUR WORD by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.”
              2 Thessalonians 3:14

    • The Clucker

      If not for the interesting read in the comments section this article would have been a complete waste of time. I think sharonjorgen owes Mayhem and Cintus some thanks for generating views and injecting some knowledge into what would have been an epic debacle.

    • sharonjorgen

      Do you actually believe, ts, that “PAUL kept the Torah as did Christ” — Whom did Christ murder or persecute :?:
      Where in the Torah is Pharisee Saul’s murderous rage justified :?:

      Messiah spoke of Pharisees “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a MURDERER from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a LIAR, and the father of it.”
      John 8:44

      “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have OMITTED the weightier matters of the law, JUDGMENT, MERCY, AND FAITH: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”
      Matthew 23:23

      The Son of God did NOT leave those weightier matters of the law undone, as did Paul :!:


      • Truthseeker


        I do not believe what I have written on BIN has changed one mind and that includes yours.

        We can go back and forth for a month and you will not understand —

        You accuse Paul of adding to the 5 Commandment, I see Paul using God’s logic to break it down into find detail. We are to obey our Spiritual Father in all things, are we not to obey our physical father as well? Is that not sound and logical according to the Torah ??

        those the Father calls to be immersed into the Body of Christ are to learn how to live by the Torah even down into the fine details. the Torah is the eternal nature of the Family of God and we must become perfect in living according to the 2 great precepts, love god and love neighbor and then down to the fine points of living in concert with those 2.

        The conversion of our nature is up to the FATHER and until that change occurs the blindness we all have remains.

        Nothing I could possibly present will change your mind, that change is in the Father’s hands.

        • Damien

          Jesus as God OIT

          Post Christian Jews as GODS in

          As per usual

        • sharonjorgen

          Paul’s **family values** are anti-Torah and anti-Christ :arrow:

          “And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.”
          Matthew 4:22

          35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
          36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

          37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

          Matthew 10

          “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and MOTHER.”
          Matthew 12:50

          8 And of Levi he said, Let thy Thummim and thy Urim be with thy holy one, whom thou didst prove at Massah, and with whom thou didst strive at the waters of Meribah;

          9 Who said unto his father and to his mother, I have not seen him; neither did he acknowledge his brethren, nor knew his own children: FOR THEY HAVE OBSERVED THY WORD, AND KEPT THY COVENANT.

          10 They shall teach Jacob THY JUDGMENTS, and Israel THY LAW: they shall put incense before thee, and whole burnt sacrifice upon thine altar.

          11 Bless, Lord, his substance, and accept the work of his hands; smite through the loins of them that rise against him, and of them that hate him, that they rise not again.

          Deuteronomy 33

          “If any man SERVE ME, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also MY SERVANT be: if any man SERVE ME, him will my Father honour.”
          John 12:26

          “And every one that hath FORSAKEN houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”
          Matthew 19:29

          • Truthseeker

            Sharon you twist the truth to suit your views – period.

            “And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.”
            Matthew 4:22

            These are men not children! Paul taught children not adults should obey their parents — so I would guess you think 6,8,10,12 year old kids should just tell their parents to stop bothering them??

            Without the Father converting a person’s nature they can in no way understand that perfect WAY of God and only a person that is being converted will have that ONE spirit of the Father dwelling in them.

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