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The Rapture: What’s to Fear? Part 1, 2, 3

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By Jonathan Brentner  /  Rapture Ready

As his wife and those closest to him gathered around his bedside one evening, they believed this would be the last time they would see him in this life. Louis Talbot, the longtime president of Biola University and driving force behind the formation of Talbot Theological Seminary, was in the hospital suffering from pneumonia. Many in the room, including Carol his wife, believed he would not survive the night.

Seeing the tears stream down the face of his wife, Talbot responded with these words, “What’s the matter with you? For this I was born. For this I’ve lived all my life—to see my Saviour face to face. It will be all glory. I can hardly wait.”[i] Louis Talbot so longed to see Jesus that the thought of dying filled him with joy rather than fear because death meant he would soon be with his Savior.

Louis Talbot did not die that night, although for a moment the next morning he thought he had died and was in heaven. “Looking around at the bleak hospital room, he said, ‘If this is heaven, I certainly misled a lot of people while I was down on earth!’”[ii]

While we smile at Talbot’s sense of humor, we also realize that as followers of Jesus our ultimate hope is the same as his; it’s the expectation of seeing our Savior “face to face.” This can happen either through our death or the rapture, which is when Jesus appears to take His followers back to His Father’s house as He promised in John 14:2-3.

Jesus intended his words in John 14 to calm the troubled hearts of his disciples who felt great sadness at His word regarding His departure. The Lord eased their fears regarding His departure by assuring them that not only would He return for them, but he would prepare a place for them during His time away from them.

Despite Jesus’ assurances regarding His future appearing, many dread the thought of such a sudden event that we refer to as the rapture today.

What causes so many people to fear or even disdain it? Is it the abrupt nature? Is it the suddenness or unexpectedness of it? Is it the unknown or supernatural? Perhaps many fear that their dreams for this life will end too soon. Why should they look forward to such an unexpected end to all their aspirations for their future?

I suspect many of us can identify with at least a few of the above reasons for anxiety regarding rapture. I have felt many of these apprehensions at times in the past as I wondered about what might happen when Jesus suddenly takes me to heaven.

Others imagine the worst when they think of the rapture. They regard the Lord’s quick removal of believers from planet Earth as a judgment upon them. How could God do this to his people? Why would anyone believe in such a horrible event that will wreak so much havoc in the lives of so many, including those left on the earth? As such, they reject the whole idea of the rapture as something terrible and awful.

Does Scripture give us any help to relieve our anxieties and hesitations regarding the rapture? Is there a way to look at it that sparks delight and hopefulness in us rather than fear or even disdain? Can we see it as act of love on the part of a caring, just, and compassionate Savior? Is there a way look at the rapture in the same way Louis Talbot looked forward to seeing Jesus?

I believe there is.

One comforting biblical picture of the rapture is that of a bridegroom coming for his bride. I believe that both Jesus and the apostle Paul purposely used language to invoke depictions of the first century AD Jewish wedding customs of their day when referring to the rapture. This imagery does much to relieve any lingering qualms about it.

As we examine these marriage traditions in future posts, we will see a picture that washes away our apprehensions regarding it as well as removes any lingering repulsions regarding it. Instead, the idea of the rapture will cause excitement to bubble to the surface of our hearts as we look into the wonders in store for us when Jesus appears.

Stay tuned!

Jonathan C. Brentner

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https://jonathanbrentner.com/

http://www.raptureready.com/2018/06/30/rapture-whats-fear-part-1-jonathan-brentner/


Part 2: 

The Marriage Covenant

While in college at John Brown University, I read Hal Lindsey’s book The Late Great Planet Earth. His book greatly heightened my interest in prophecy to the point where I expected the rapture to occur at any moment, yes even back in the 1970’s.

Late one afternoon, I dozed off after hours of reading and studying. Suddenly, the sound of a trumpet awoke me from a deep sleep. For a brief moment, I thought “this is it; I am going to meet Jesus in the air.” After a second or two, I realized the trumpet fanfare came from someone warming up for a nearby rehearsal. It was not the trumpet sound of 1 Thessalonians 4, which still remains a joyous future hope for all of Jesus’ followers.

However, I know many people today do not take kindly to the idea of the rapture. They either fear it or disdain it for a variety of reasons. It’s certainly a source of unpopularity for those who teach or write about it; I know this from experience.

Is there a way to view the rapture differently, as something positive and loving?

Yes, there is. Jesus and the apostle Paul used terminology similar to a first century AD wedding to describe His return for His bride. In this way they put the rapture into a loving, hopeful context for believers.

The Marriage Covenant

Jewish marriages in Jesus’ day began with the groom entering into a marriage covenant with his bride. The groom drank a cup of wine with his bride during the betrothal ceremony that “sealed the covenant.” The groom then paid “bridal price” to the father as part of the ceremony joining the couple together.[i] The bridal price ensured that the groom would later follow through with his part of the covenant. Although many months ahead of the actual wedding, the covenant indicated that the couple was legally married or “betrothed.”

We see this in the story of Joseph and Mary who were “betrothed” but still living apart. Joseph had entered into a marriage covenant with Mary and her father, but the couple had not yet married or consummated their relationship.

When Joseph found out about Mary’s pregnancy, he sought to divorce her since he knew the child could not be his. Even though they were not yet married, divorce was the only way to break the legally binding marriage covenant Joseph had earlier pledged himself to. He could not just walk away as one can today from an engagement. Before Joseph could take any action, however, an angel soon appeared to him to confirm Mary’s story that the Holy Spirit had conceived the child (Matt. 2:18-22).

Do you see the similarities between the marriage covenant and what Jesus did for us in purchasing our salvation on the cross? He paid the price with his blood so that we, his church, might become his bride. Jesus’ words regarding the cup of wine he drank with his disciples in the upper room resemble those spoken by a groom sealing the marriage covenant with his bride, “In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood . . .’” (1 Cor. 11:25).

The drinking of wine from a cup and his announcement of a covenant sparked images of the Jewish marriage customs as well as Old Testament prophecies regarding the new covenant (Jer. 31:31-34). The cup represented Jesus’ very own blood, which He shed as a payment for our sins. He paid the price so we could inherit eternal life, so that we as His church could become His bride.

In ancient Israel, the groom paid the bridal price as a demonstration that he would follow through on his promises. Just think, Jesus gave his very life as the “bridal price” for us. Christ guaranteed his promise to come and take us back to his Father’s house with his own blood. It doesn’t get any more certain than that, or better for that matter.

But, you ask, what does this have to do with the rapture? As we shall see, this signifies the beginning of the love relationship between Jesus and His church that culminates in the rapture and the marriage supper of the Lamb.

The tie between Jesus’ words in the Upper Room and the first century Jewish marriage customs becomes even clearer as we dig deeper.

Jonathan C. Brentner

http://www.raptureready.com/2018/07/03/rapture-whats-fear-part-2-jonathan-brentner/


Part 3:

The Joy of Jesus’ Return

When I was a pastor, I loved performing weddings.  I remember seeing the joy on everyone’s face when the big day arrived.

Now, and I hesitantly admit this, I enjoy watching romantic movies on the Hallmark channel, along with my wife, that sometimes lead to a wedding. In these shows, we see the excitement and exuberance of the happy couple, although Hallmark always tosses in a few problems to keep viewers hooked (we anxiously wait to see what will happen but really never doubt the happy outcome).

Weddings are typically times of excitement to which both the future husband and wife joyously anticipate.

I believe this is why Jesus used words reminiscent of the first century AD Jewish wedding customs when He first mentioned His return to take believers back to His Father’s house, known today as the rapture (see John 14:1-3). His announcement would have sparked positive and hopeful comparisons to the disciples as they listened to Him that night in the Upper Room.

The Announcement

Once the bridegroom confirmed the marriage covenant with his bride, he announced that he was going to prepare a place for his bride in his father’s house.[i] He would not see his bride again until he completed his work on their honeymoon chamber and returned to take her back to his father’s house and to the place he had prepared for her.

Jesus’ words in John 14:2-3 mimic this announcement given by ancient Jewish bridegrooms, “In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.”

I believe Jesus purposely chose words to show how His actions resembled a groom leaving to prepare a place for his bride. Just like the grooms of his day, He announced His intention to prepare a bridal chamber in his Father’s house and promised to return take his bride, the church, back to the place He had prepared.

Jesus’ words would not have failed to spark pictures in the minds of the disciples of the wedding customs of their day.

The mention of “many rooms” further expands the comparison. In Jesus’ day, the groom only prepared one room for his wife. Jesus is preparing places for millions upon millions of his followers who comprise His glorious bride, the church.

Do not let the huge number of believers discourage you; I believe Jesus is preparing a place just for you! This alone should be more than enough to stir your hearts with great anticipation of His return for us.

The Return of the Bridegroom

The Jewish bridegroom, after he finished work on the bridal chamber, returned to take his bride back to the place he had prepared. Below is how one writer describes the groom’s return for his bride:

“When the bridegroom’s father deemed the wedding chamber ready, the father would tell the bridegroom that all was ready and to get his bride. The bridegroom would abduct his bride secretly, like a thief at night, and take her to the wedding chamber. As the bridegroom approached the bride’s home, he would shout and blow the shofar (ram’s horn trumpet) so that she had some warning to gather her belongings to take into the wedding chamber. The bridegroom and his friends would come into the bride’s house and get the bride and her bridesmaids.”[ii]

The Jewish groom of Jesus’ day enjoyed coming as a “thief in the night” to quickly snatch away his bride and take her back to the place he had prepared in his father’s house. He typically arrived at her home with much fanfare as his friends shouted and blew a shofar or trumpet to announce his arrival.

After that, the groom took his bride back to the bridal chamber for seven days. This snatching away, if you will, was something the bride looked forward to with great excitement as she longed for the day her groom would “kidnap” her and take her back to her bridal chamber, the one her groom had prepared for her.

In 1 Thessalonians 4, Paul tells us that Jesus will come for his church with a shout, the “voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God” (v. 16). These are all terms that resemble the raucous scene of first century Jewish grooms coming for their brides.

Anyone who lived in a city where there was a large population of Jews, such as Thessalonica, would associate Paul’s words with a groom coming for his bride. Who could forget such loud commotion in the middle of the night?

This is precisely what Jesus promised to do in John 14:2-3. When Christ comes for us, he will take us home to the place he is specially preparing for us, just as the first century Jewish grooms did for their brides.

Notice that in ancient times the groom did not return for his bride until his father said the wedding chamber was ready. The groom’s father determined the timing of both the honeymoon and wedding celebration that followed. Once he determined the preparations were adequate and the time was right, he told his son to go get his bride.

Notice Jesus’ words in Matthew 24:36, “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven nor the Son, but the Father only.” Do you see how this also fits into the Jewish wedding customs? Just as the father of the groom determined when his son would go to fetch his bride, so our Heavenly Father determines the timing of the rapture, or Jesus’ return to take us back to his Father’s house.

Someday, perhaps soon, the Father will tell his Son to go get his bride, to go get us! What a time of rejoicing and great celebration that will be for us!

In the meantime, we will continue on with the encouraging similarities between the rapture and the first century marriage customs.

Jonathan C. Brentner

http://www.raptureready.com/2018/07/13/rapture-whats-fear-part-3-jonathan-brentner/



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    • Truthseeker

      And once in heaven — what will they do? “roll around heaven all day?”

      The Work of God is here on this earth, Christ is returning as KING of kings i.e. the resurrected Saints of God rule as kings with Christ on His throne here on this earth to complete the Work of God.

      Jesus Christ and the resurrected Saints of God will Rule the Nations i.e. gentile nations with a Rod of iron.

      Both statements above are 100% backed up by CLEAR scripture — you have not one clear scripture regarding a rapture.

      Very soon now the fact a rapture was invented by Satan to deceive those falsely calling themselves Christians will be self evident.

      • Truthseeker

        John when world war three begins – in a year or so, and you folks are still here on this earth watching millions die– what do you suppose your flock will do to you ministers that fed them the Satanic rapture lie?

      • Paulp

        The rapture is biblical regardless of you hatred of Christ appearance. I’m sure you’ll miss it so don’t worry.

        • Truthseeker

          paulp every eye on earth will see the KING of Kings return — not ONE will miss it.

          7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; —– and every eye shall see him, — and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

          paulp why would they wail if He never lands on the Mount of Olives?

          Paulp to accept a rapture one must reject hundreds of scriptures.

          • Crazy times

            “every eye on earth will see the KING of Kings return — not ONE will miss it.”

            Meanwhile (7) year earlier @ “the Appearing” which occurred for Christians ONLY :arrow: in a “Twinkle of an Eye” :idea: Most missed it, as not ONE could see Him that fast ….Awesome :cool:

            There are No contradictions… :grin:

            :arrow: UNLESS you “TAKE AWAY” His Precept* of Rescue BEFORE Wrath, Shown every single time in Scripture… EVEN the Harlot Rahab ESCAPED when the walls came down :roll:

            By faith…. Rahab the harlot Hebrews 11:31

            • Truthseeker

              crazy “‘Most missed it, as not ONE could see Him that fast ….Awesome :cool:

              to make this assumption one must ignore a massive number of other scriptures.

              And you must assume the “selected” scriptures you use say what you want them to say because they do not!

              Only one of us can be correct crazy — soon we will both know.

            • Crazy times

              Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, :arrow: in the twinkling of an eye,1 Corinthians 15:51-52

              Key Word for you AGAIN is :arrow: MYSTERY, and so shall it ever be. :!:

              Ur better off writing about cooking recipes or gardening or better still write a book about “Prepping my way through the Days of Wrath as a Tribulation Saint” :shock:

              or “How to HIDE in the Hills”… WHEN GOD will pour out His …”Wrath of His Indignation”Isaiah 26:20 when God makes man as rare as Gold on Earth” :shock: Isaiah 13:12

              or

              “How to prepare a bunker against the Angels from the bottomless Pit AND the Anti-Christ and the MARK OF THE BEAST :roll: and endure..it all .. to the End.. ALIVE..” :roll:

              darkseeker Better off Leaving the Mysteries of Heaven, Rapture, to :arrow: “as it is written”

              “to make this assumption one must ignore a massive number of other scriptures.”

              Not one (.) DOT has been removed or ignored; I’ve answered all your ramblings , you :arrow: NOT SO, you do not see that “every eye shall see Him” as opposed to “in a twinkle of an eye”(not possible for every eye to see Him), IS DIFFERENT; you just talk ABOUT Scripture and mix it all up, never in context, ever.

              The Rapture to HEAVEN is for those “REDEEMED BY HIS BLOOD” Revelation 5:9…”APART from the LAW”Romans 3:21

              Revelation 12:12.Therefore rejoice, O *heavens, and *ye that dwell in them*. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath,

              “EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM” will be those Judged BY THE LAW and FAITH in Y’shua Revelation 14:12 @His Return ( other Sheep & Goats) Matt 25….33 “He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.”

              :grin: Right SHEEP = FAITH….. :arrow: ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you

              :cry: Left GOATS = LAW… Blood of Animals on Old Moses Covenant seal
              :arrow: ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;

              :idea: “With his own blood– :arrow: not the blood of goats :idea: Hebrews 9:12

              “as it is written”
              Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption :arrow: for us :idea:

              I can’t make it any clearer seeker REPENT OF UNBELIEF IN :arrow: HIS OWN BLOOD for redemption.

              12Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

              “every eye will see Him, even those who pierced him”;Revelation 1:7 ISRAEL
              who were protected in the Wilderness Revelation 12:6 …

              NOT YOU Hiding in your OWN bunker wilderness as :arrow: this was PREPARED BY GOD for His other sheep.John 10:16….”And OTHER sheep I have, which are not of this fold”

              “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place having been prepared there by God,” “when they saw the Abomination of Desolation”.Matthew 24:15

            • Truthseeker

              Crazy times

              “Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, :arrow: in the twinkling of an eye,1 Corinthians 15:51-52″

              This is the First resurrection that occurs at the RETURN to EARTH of the KING of kings — Jesus Christ.

              3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

              4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,—— which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

              5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: —— and the LORD my God shall come,—- and all the saints with thee.

              When Christ returns to destroy the Gentile nations in the Battle of that Great Day of God Almighty — which follows immediately — After the saints of God rise from their graves and meet Christ in the clouds THEN their feet shall land on the Mount of Olives which is on this earth not heaven.

              Crazy when my son and daughter were born I wanted everyone to see them — and when the begotten sons of God are born from above and into the Spirit Family of God the Father –He will not hide them in heaven — what remains alive in this world will see them coming to earth in GREAT GLORY to RULE with The KING of the entire earth.

              One day your mind will be opened and you will then understand but for now no

            • Truthseeker

              Crazy and Paulp

              Paul, as did all the Apostles, taught from what is called “the Old testament” and here Paul states The old Testament which includes the Torah has every thing necessary for salvation.

              13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

              14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

              15 And that from a child —- thou hast known the holy scriptures,—- which are able to make —— thee wise unto salvation —- through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

              guys — the new testament was not written while Timothy was a child —- all Timothy had was what is called today the old testament and Paul says that is all Timothy needed for salvation which is in Jesus Christ.

              16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

              17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

              How do you two explain away the fact Paul states even with out the New Testament the Old Has all we need to make it into God’s Kingdom.

              The New Testament MUST match the Instruction of the Old, the Old is the measure by which the New can be understood and in the old there is no rapture taught nor a trinity nor going to heaven nor sunday etc.

            • Truthseeker

              crazy this is so sad !! you send statements as this one:

              “I can’t make it any clearer seeker REPENT OF UNBELIEF IN :arrow: HIS OWN BLOOD for redemption.”

              and then follow it with a scripture as this one:

              12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus,

              crazy I do keep the Commandments of God and I have total trust in my Master Jesus Christ, it is by HIS BLOOD that my sins were paid for.

              Can you not understand this simple logic of the above??

    • nomorelabels

      The mistake in regards to “rapture” which is a relatively new doctrine since early 1800′s, is taking allegory as literal.

      This alone so many have twisted scripture to say what they want to hear.

      • Crazy times

        :arrow: in the twinkling of an eye,1 Corinthians 15:51-52″

        DEATHseeker said “This is the First resurrection that occurs at the RETURN to EARTH of the KING of kings — Jesus Christ.”

        NOPE!! :arrow: YOU SAID CLEARLY :arrow: that “EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM” when He returns :idea: now you :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: you then take MY GIVEN VERSE for YOURS @ His return….sneaky devil :twisted:

        “and in the *old there is no rapture taught nor a trinity nor going to heaven nor sunday etc.” :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: ….So say’s YE again :arrow: just your OWN FLAWED OPINION.

        Your Pour over the old books of Moses for eternal life and do NOT find it. :roll:

        John 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that **in them** you have eternal life*; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 :arrow: yet you *refuse to come to Me to have life.… :idea:

        Which part of ….”The Mysteries of HEAVEN are NOT GIVEN TO YOU”…do you NOT UNDERSTAND… :?:

        Matthew 13….The Purpose of Parables

        “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, :arrow: but to them it has NOT been given. :idea:

        DEATHseeker said…”After the saints of God rise from their graves and meet Christ in the clouds” THEN their feet shall land on the Mount of Olives which is on this earth not heaven.”……and all the saints with thee”

        So the FACTS CLEARLY DON”T MATTER to you seeker :shock:

        You CLEARLY TAKE AWAY …GOING TO THE FATHERS HOUSE A PLACE HE PREPARED John 14:2, TAKE AWAY THE WEDDING FEAST IN HEAVEN when He came for them BY HIMSELF Matt 25:10 Matthew 22, TAKE AWAY THE WEDDING OF THE BRIDE SHOWN IN HEAVEN, Revelation 21:9, TAKE AWAY THE MOMENT THE BRIDE BECOMES THE WIFE IN HEAVEN Revelation 19:6-9, TAKE AWAY THE BRIDE NOW WIFE DESCENDING FROM HEAVEN Revelation 21:2, TAKE AWAY THE NEW NAME OF HIS PEOPLE DONE IN HEAVEN Revelation 3:12 Revelation 22:4 TAKE AWAY THE APOSTLES Matthew 19:28 SITTING ON THRONES AND JUDGEING THE NATIONS SEEN IN HEAVEN Revelation 4:4, RECEIVING THEIR GOLD CROWNS IN HEAVEN, RECEIVING THEIR WHITE GARMENTS SEEN IN HEAVEN Revelation 19:7-8

        …and you call yourself a Truthseeker :shock: :shock: ……. FACTSDON’TMATTERTOseeker :idea:

        How do you sleep at night when you TAKE AWAY SO MUCH of Heaven. :?:

        Matey WHERE IS YOUR WEDDING FEAST Taking Place ON EARTH ? …There isn’t one for YOU and You won’t be able to POINT TO ONE as YOUR NOT WORTHY TO BE CALLED . THAT’S WHY you can”t see it and WON”T.

        FACTSDON”TMATTERseeker said “THEN their feet shall land on the Mount of Olives which is on this earth not heaven.”……and all the saints with thee”

        another FLAW here WHEN was your Wedding and Banquet :?: between going up and then immediately returning down again ?…”as For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready. :arrow: She was given clothing of fine linen, linen bright and pure.” For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints.”… :idea: Revelation 19:7-8

        They ALREADY HAD THE SAINTLY ATTIRE ON in your above statement. :roll: :roll: :roll:

        It’s so Sad you reject “the Glorious New Covenant”and TOTAL FAITH IN IT and replace it with the Old Goat blood covenant of Moses , YOU don’t have ANY LOGIC SPOCK …None as you would be HONEST and say :arrow: I HAVE NOT KEPT THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD during my life…YOU LIE

        You could’ve easily POINTED to the SUPERIOR COVENANT :arrow: APART from the LAW for RIGHTEOUSNESS Romans 3:21…. YOU DENY THE CLEAR FACTS OF ALL SCRIPTURE because your :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

        I Don’t have to wait for one day as I have the FACTS you NOT SO in fact you LIE TOO much, Dishonest at Heart as He says :arrow: YOU REFUSE

        case in point you said….”Paul states The old Testament which includes the :arrow: Torah has every thing necessary for salvation.”…… :roll:

        :arrow: Paul said this also :arrow: Romans 3:21 and this and much more .. :arrow: Romans 10:4
        :arrow: “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” :idea:

        John 5:40….39You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, :arrow: 40yet you REFUSE to come to Me to have life. :idea:

        enuff said… lets just face it :arrow: you just outright REFUSE “as it is written” await your Punishment for being a GOAT = LAWkeeper

        Adieu

        • Crazy times

          ##enuff said… lets just face it :arrow: you just outright REFUSE “as it is written” So await your Punishment for choosing to be a GOAT follower = LAWkeeper for YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, hope it goes well for you, but keep in mind OUR LORD shepherds SHEEP on His Right Hand, your Shepherd, I dunno :?: and don’t want too.

    • nomorelabels

      Another sad issue is there are some sects within christianity that before you can “join” their denomination you must blindly believe their rapture story.

      They now require it as a statement of faith. I find it all to be delusion and divisive, but that is most of what I saw for too many years within christianity. People loved you if you believed the same things they did…when you questioned them they would label you as a heretic.

      Religion is dangerous to the human mind.

      • Paulp

        You and all you rapture haters are straight up ignorant. There is more to suggest it than not. In fact there is nothing that says you are correct. In a sense y’all are right in that yea there will be not part in the rapture for the lost. The Bible doesn’t say rapture but it does strongly imply it. It’s pointless to explain it because y’all will always come up with poor reasons such as truthseeker which is obviously doing a poor job.

        • Truthseeker

          paulp I guess Revelation 20: 1 – 6 is a poor reason?

          Then how about this one: 35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain “”"a better resurrection: “”"

          and what is that “better” resurrection? the First as it is to eternal life.

          the 2nd is to judgment for those that have never been judged

          the 3rd is to condemnation i.e. the Lake of Fire

          paulp you are in for a huge disappointment

        • Truthseeker

          paulp you look to a rapture that is only “strongly implied” and it is implied only to those desperate to escape physical pain.

          BUT the clear Word teach it is the First Resurrection the begotten sons of God look for.

          My “hope” is to endure until the end and receive my spiritual birth into the family of God and serving with Christ on His Throne.

          I hope to assist Jesus Christ when He restores peace on earth and the earth as the Garden of Eden.

          what are your plans when you get to heaven — what does the Word tell you you will be doing in the 3rd heaven?

    • Isaiah43v11

      There is no rapture and anyone who’s waiting for sky daddy jesus to take them up in a whirlwind are in for a world of hurt. Also “John Rolls” this is the 3rd trash article you posted on the satanic “Rapture” deception

      This is the etymology of “Rapture”

      rapture (n.)

      c. 1600, “act of carrying off,” from Middle French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura “seizure, rape, kidnapping,” from Latin raptus “a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape” (see rapt). Earliest attested use in English is of women and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this. Sense of “spiritual ecstasy, state of mental transport” first recorded c. 1600 (raptures).

      According to the actual definition this act has already happened to a certain people!! It funny to think people are waiting and praying to be raped by jesus

    • Crazy times

      The rapture (Harpazo) rescue ESCAPE will be SPECTACULAR and AWESOME for those CALLED, whom are Bold to acknowledge THE :arrow: LABEL CHRISTIAN, when they’ve accepted :arrow: “the Glorious New Covenant” HIS BLOOD”, and we’re Sealed and Baptized (guided) by the :arrow: “Holy Spirit OF GOD”,on belief, a triune Elohim, whom makes HIMSELF Known to His People ONLY who hear His Voice, the CHURCH’ES who He SPEAKS TO in the Book of Revelations.

      God gave us LITERAL EXAMPLES…in Noah and Lot …to show His People ESCAPED. :cool:

      And They ESCAPED… :idea: SAD to see those who CHANGE (1800) OBVIOUS Literal events for allegory when HE GAVE US LITERAL EXAMPLES HIMSELF :eek: and also written Text in the New Testament, thousands of years old and explained it in Parables, and they say it’s recent? :shock:

      There appears to be nomoreTruthseekers only Deniers and naysayers….So Sad

      accursedseeker….”And once in heaven — what will they do? “roll around heaven all day?” ”

      Matthew 13:11….He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of * HEAVEN* has been given to you, :arrow: but NOT to them. :idea: meaning YOU

      accursedseeker…”world war three begins”…”Very soon now the fact a rapture was invented by Satan”

      Bahwahhahaha!. :arrow: “THE FACT”. :idea: …….We’ve ALREADY had ww1 and ww2 and yes you don’t need to be a prophet to claim ww3 is soon , the Point is NONE of those Wars DISPEL the gathering of His People in the rapture/rescue :arrow: @ His APPEARING… So @ the start of WW3 and if we see many are Nuked, killed and the BRIDE is still here its STILL IRRELEVANT as He has set a Day which Only HE knows for the departure of the “Dead in Christ and we who are alive”

      “THE FACT” was INVENTED by yourself, a delusion from SATAN to make YOU feel PROUD ….One who is “NOT WORTHY” Matthew 22:8.. to be Called to the Wedding Feast… as you’ve DENIED HIS FULFILLMENT of ALL THINGS on the CROSS as your OWN estimates are better, so your STUCK with a Millstone ( MOSES Covenant for Righteousness. )as you will not yield to the Superior Covenant HIS BLOOD.

      ….your LIFETIME work was / is :arrow: AGAINST THE LIGHT, AGAINST HIS BLOOD and AGAINST HIS PEOPLE who are CALLED…. CHILDren of God after His NAME, AGAINST the CHURCH to be BRIDE . :idea:

      accursed said..”and it is implied only to those desperate to escape physical pain.”

      Hahahah!!! Your Such a Hypocrite…..really! your a FEARful follower (of Moses) who’s ACTUALLY HIDING in the Hills in a bunker with his entire, very deceived, family, Instead of GOING to the 2nd Exodus the PROMISED LAND :arrow: IT”S YOU WHO IS HIDING :arrow: DESPERATE to ESCAPE PAIN, go figure !!

      NO….Standing on the Word of God is NOT escapism …. :arrow: Escape All These Things (Luke 21:36)

      It’s FAITH…. ” the substance HOPED for” … in His Word, His Promises, and His deliverance of Salvation by GOD ALONE Isaiah 43:11. Then taken TO the promised Land rev 3:10 and THAT’S HEAVEN Fathers Throne room” and she will go out no more rev 3:12″ for HIS BRIDE, the Wife…CLEARLY seen IN HEAVEN @throne , @Wedding ,@ Wedding Feast,@ their DESCENDING FROM HEAVEN New Jerusalem, “Name UPON his head”)…AFTER 1000 yrs are completed …a Promise He made to them NOT YOU….as the Mysteries of HEAVEN are :arrow: IN PARABLES for HIS PEOPLE

      Matthew 13:13

      13This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’
      14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.…

      So the RAPTURE IS A MYSTERY Matt 25 and SO IS the KINGDOM OF *HEAVEN Matt 22:8 ..ARE ALL MYSTERIES…. YOU’LL NEVER UNDERSTAND… NEVER…as it is written

      …..REVEALED to us BY GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT :arrow: not by our ministers lol

      • Truthseeker

        crazy

        Satan has set you up to destroy your trust when folks begin to die all around you from famine and disease and then war.

    • Crazy times

      Happening already Naysayerseeker, look around the world :roll: YOUR invention (timing) does NOT in itself dispel a rapture there were nukes dropped on Japan, that did NOT dispel a rapture, ww1 and 2, starvation, did not either, NOTHING YOU write does , as this writer says you have a PERSONAL ‘disdain for it’, as you can’t see it, and NEVER WILL partake in it “as it is written” above as you’ve “taken it away” all by “YOURSELF :shock:

      When it happens (the Harpazo departure) , THEN you’ll realize you’ve buried your family with falsehoods and can expect perdition to soon follow: It will be COLD comfort to your family when you say to them “I will endure till the End” When they could’ve gone in the Harpazo rapture, … what you have sealed in heaven is sealed on earth, so it is granted to YOU

      MEANWHILE those who believed in the Promised NEW covenant will be taken to the NEW Promised Mansion in Heaven @His Appearing when he comes for His Own “BY HIMSELF” in a :arrow: “twinkle of an Eye”

      hope you get a good look at Him when HE does :lol: :roll:

    • church of the 1stborn

      You were correct to lump in the repenting/baptize,renew,rededicate,born again unbelievers ten virgins children of darkness that must pay (Curse of Mt. Zion upon Mt. Esau the great whore of Babylon 7 years tribulation God’s wrath & great wrath / and satan’s great wrath) in grave or alive,bloody curse upon their head’s of the fathers & and pay 2nd judgment of wrath only, Day of Wrath only judgment also

      Christ 1st raptured body His church of 1st born first fruits of the dead of 1st judgment,everyone else Matt 24 2nd judgment
      1 Corin 15:23 But every man in his own order:Christ the firstfruits;afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

      many wrath payments must be payed by the great whore of Babylon the 1st wife God divorced and threw out of the house of God was whore Israel & Judah played the harlot also & holy city the issue of whores is bastards.

      God threw them out until day of wrath
      I gave the great whore Babylon= their issue is repenting lost sheep bastards 7 years of tribulation upon thy people and upon thy holy city Daniel
      ———————–
      Jesus divorced terrestrial repenting wife #1 given to Daniel. Christ goes to chaste virgin Gentile espoused intreaty bride Wife #2
      ————————————————————–
      Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

      Notice Jesus’ words in Matthew 24:36, “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven nor the Son, but the Father only.” Do you see how this also fits into the Jewish wedding customs? Just as the father of the groom determined when his son would go to fetch his bride, so our Heavenly Father determines the timing of the rapture, or Jesus’ return to take us back to his Father’s house.

      Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

      Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

      Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
      Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

      Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping
      and gnashing of teeth.

      1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial:
      but the glory of the celestial is one,and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

      Acts 9 to Hebrews Paul’s
      (By Acts 15 emancipation of the Gentiles with Paul’s mystery’s of the gospels
      NO YOKE 7 years of tribulation/wrath yoke of the fathers bloody headed curse of Mt.Zion, of Luke 11:30-52 )

      John 5:21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son
      quickeneth whom he will.

      2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus
      Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

      Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say,
      Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

      Lamb’s wife #2
      2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused
      you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

      We are now 1st judgment children of the day celestial freeborn from above wise foundation hidden ones
      other sheep Gentile rapture bride law of liberty,law of by faith alone church of Christ/His body the church
      of 1st born 1st fruits from the dead

      Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

      1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

      1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night,
      nor of darkness.

      1 Thessalonians 5:5-28 (KJV)
      5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

      2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

      3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

      4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

      5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

      6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

      7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

      8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

      9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

      10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

      11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

      12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

      13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

      14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

      15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

      16 Rejoice evermore.

      17 Pray without ceasing.

      18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

      19 Quench not the Spirit.

      20 Despise not prophesyings.

      21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

      22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

      23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

      24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

      25 Brethren, pray for us.

      26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

      27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

      28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen

      2 Corinthians 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.

      2 Corinthians 8:3-8 For to their power,I bear record,yea,and beyond their power
      they were willing of themselves;

      4 Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift,and take
      upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

      5 And this they did,not as we hoped,but first gave their own selves
      to the Lord,and unto us by the will of God.

      2 Corinthians 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.

      Ephesians 2:7-9 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his
      grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

      8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
      it is the gift of God:

      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

      Ephesians 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace
      of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

      Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

      Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive,
      and gave gifts unto men.

      ***end of Christ raptured body/His church for the dispensation of the Gentile rapture bride/7 years trib begins***

      Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
      lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to
      Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

      ****** ******
      Romans 10 King James Version (KJV)
      10 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

      2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

      3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own
      righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

      4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

      Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one
      many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ,
      hath abounded unto many.

      Romans 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to
      condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

      Romans 5:17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance
      of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

      Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
      even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

      2 Corinthians 8:4 Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift,and take upon us the
      fellowship of the ministering to the saints. Mercy, during the dispensation of wise hidden Gentile
      rapture bride grace the 1st judgment

      Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

      Psalm 83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

      Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return
      to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

      Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

      Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

      Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

      Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have
      no more that they can do.

      2Cor8:4 Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift,and take upon us the fellowship of
      the ministering to the saints

      3 churches only Paul was a priest in and taught in ( 3 different way’s-paths-professions)
      They want to burn him out bible
      1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

      Genesis 29:2 And he looked, and behold a well in the field, and, lo, there were three
      flocks of sheep lying by it; for out of that well they watered the flocks: and a
      great stone was upon the well’s mouth.

      1 Corinthians 15:41-58 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory
      of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
      **********************************************************
      Key of David/Key of wisdom & knowledge Mystery’s of God
      Colossians 2:2-3…hearts might be comforted,being knit together in love,
      and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,to the acknowledgement
      of the mystery of God,and of the Father,and of Christ;

      3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

      Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
      to the glory of God the Father.

      The rapture faith gospel making peace between you & Father John 4 in spirit & truth & love

      receive free celestial hidden gift

      1 Corin 15:1-4 Moreover,brethren,I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you,
      which also ye have received,and wherein ye stand;

      2 By which also ye are saved,if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,unless ye
      have believed in vain.

      3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,how that Christ died
      for our sins according to the scriptures;

      4 And that he was buried,and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


      Colossians 1:25…minister,according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you,
      to fulfil the word of God;

      *** (many olegy’s in this)
      Eph1:10…dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together
      in one all things in Christ,both which are in heaven,and which are on earth;even in him:

      Don’t miss the conclusion of Christ 1st raptured body/His church of 1stborn
      2 Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid,it is hid to them that are lost:

      2 Cor5:18 And all things are of God,who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ,
      and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

      (You are now the house of King David- No 7 year tribulation or wrath -only peace as Obadiah 21 saviors )
      1 Kings 2:33 Their blood shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed
      for ever:

      but upon David, and upon his seed, and upon his house, and upon his throne, shall there
      be peace for ever from the Lord.

      +++ Part terms of the divorce of Wife #1
      2 Chronicles 13:5 Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave
      the kingdom over Israel to David for ever,even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?

      ————————————————-
      satan the accuser at 1st judgment upon the house of King David.congregation of the righteous

      Psalm 5:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the
      congregation of the righteous.
      Isaiah 26:12 Lord, thou wilt ordain peace for us:for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.

      Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength,
      and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is
      cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

      Your spirit translated placed in 1st raptured body of Christ (1st ) the Prince of Peace.

      His raptured quickened strong meat Spirit put in your heart/mind/spirit/you
      can write it down the minute it happens.

      Isaiah 26:12 Lord,thou wilt ordain peace for us:for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.

      Our vile body taken lastly concludes rapture of Christ body/His church of 1st born.

      Philip3:21 Who shall change our vile body,that it may be fashioned like
      unto his glorious body,according to the working whereby he is able even to
      subdue all things unto himself.

      1 Cor12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
      Rom6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,but under grace.

      Heb10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of
      Jesus Christ once for all.

      Don’t let a child of darkness stir up a church attacking Roman’s (they are pleasing their unbelieving flesh -all
      vanity-they are not in the Spirit -God’s not in them)Give them a chance,then put them out of the church.

      We don’t have a city on this earth but 1 above,we don’t leap out of the dead churches & attack,we have
      a more perfect way.

      Rom8:9-15 But ye are not in the flesh,but in the Spirit,if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
      Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,he is none of his.

      1 Cori7:15 But if the unbelieving depart,let him depart.A brother or
      a sister is not under bondage in such cases:but God hath called us to peace.

      Zec 9:12 Turn you to the strong hold,ye prisoners of hope:even to day do I declare that I will render
      double unto thee;

      2 Tim2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
      that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

      webpqk@ gmail.com Randy lewis

      —They didn’t want 1st judgment/kept on repenting/baptize unbelievers-2nd judgment at Day of Wrath judgment only —

      2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
      lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

      2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail
      untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

      2 Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid,it is hid to them that are lost:

      Wife #2 :We judge satan,giants, ghosts Rephelim, Ten virgins, ungodly sinner repenters, angels

      Moses accuser of the unbelieving repenters at the 2nd judgment at Day of Wrath judgment only
      John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses,
      in whom ye trust.

      Christ THRICE thrusting threw people (BLOODY ROBES as He marches off to Har Megiddo )

      Deut 33:27 The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out
      the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.

      Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac,
      and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

      repenters part of Wife #1
      Matthew 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

      Obadiah 21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau;
      and the kingdom shall be the Lord’s.

      Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:
      for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called,
      and chosen, and faithful.

      Wife #1. 2nd judgment
      Daniel 12:1-3And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children
      of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation
      even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall
      be found written in the book.

      2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life,
      and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

      3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many
      to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

      2Sa 23:6 But the sons of Belial shall be all of them as thorns thrust away,
      because they cannot be taken with hands:

      thrust through once the next thrust is doubled so THRICE – Very bloody 2nd judgment of wrath only
      Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
      thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

      webpqk@ gmail.com Randy lewis

    • Anonymous

      wtf? :eek:

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