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Does Church History Negate Our Belief in the Rapture?

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By Jonathan Brentner / Rapture Ready

Most people disdain the whole idea; many Christians regard it as an out-of-date belief.

“Who really believes this anyway?” some ask. “Why should I put my hope in something that no one believed until the nineteenth century? Why would anyone look for something that only recently appeared in the long history of the church?”

Such attacks sadden me as well as many others like me who cherish the Lord’s appearing to take us home, known today as the Rapture. Is it really true this belief appeared just 150 years ago?

Scripture, of course, is our sole source for our beliefs and practice regardless of people taught at any point in church history. If any teaching contradicts God’s Word, we must reject it. I believe God’s word teaches that Jesus will return for His church before the tribulation.

However, because this view of the Rapture is so maligned today on the basis of church history, we will take a closer look at how the early followers of Jesus regarded the Lord’s return for His church.

What’s The Origin of The Word?

Since many discredit the Rapture because the word does not appear in the Bible, I will begin by answering this challenge.

While it is true that the word “Rapture” does not appear in English translation of the Bible and the term only came into widespread usage in the nineteenth century, these facts alone do not negate our hope in Jesus’ imminent appearing. Let me explain.

The word “Rapture” comes from a Latin translation of the Bible called the Vulgate, which originated in about AD 400. The Vulgate used the Latin word “rapturo” to translate the Greek for “caught up” (“harpazo” in the Greek) in First Thessalonians 4:17. The term “rapturo” thus designated, in Latin, the catching up of living believers, as Paul describes in this passage.

The words “caught up” in our English versions capture the essence of the Greek “harpazo” in this verse just as the Latin “rapturo” did back at the time of the Vulgate.

In the mid to late nineteenth century, many began to use the word “Rapture” to describe the event Paul wrote about 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. What matters is whether or not our interpretation of these passages is accurate and consistent with Scripture, not what we call it.

This brings us back to our main question, “Did anyone in the early church regard the event described in these passages as separate from the Second Coming?”

Did Irenaeus Believe in the Rapture?

A prominent theologian and leader of the second century AD church, Irenaeus, wrote Against Heresies in about AD 180 to refute the errors of Gnosticism.

Irenaeus referred to Jesus’ return for His church in this quote from Against Heresies, Book 5, Chapter 29: “And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, ‘There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.’”[i]

This quote is significant because:

Irenaeus used the same Greek word for “caught up” (harpazo) that Paul used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. It’s clear he had this context in mind.

Irenaeus limits the event Paul described in 1 Thessalonians 4 to the church whereas Jesus’s Second Coming impacts the entire world.

The sequence of events in the above quote is that of Jesus catching up the church from the earth followed by the time of great tribulation Jesus described in Matthew 24:21. (While this does not prove Irenaeus believed the Rapture would take place before the tribulation starts, it signifies a belief it would happen well before the Second Coming of Jesus.)

While some doubt this is a reference to the Rapture, I believe the context of Irenaeus’ book supports his belief in it as a unique event. After Irenaeus writes about Jesus catching up His church, he quotes from several places in the book of Revelation, mostly chapter 13, describing the reign of the antichrist. Based on the sequence of Against Heresies, Irenaeus puts the “catching up” of the church before the tyranny of the antichrist.

A Sermon by Ephraem the Syrian

Another early reference to the Rapture comes from someone named Ephraem the Syrian. Born in AD 306, he became a monk, a poet, a writer of hymns, and a preacher. Many scholars believe he attended the Council of Nicea in AD 325.

His sermon entitled On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, is perhaps his best known and controversial sermon. A few historians believe someone else wrote the sermon in about AD 622, but ascribed it to Ephraem to add credibility to it. It’s more likely, however, that Ephraem preached it himself in AD 323.[ii] Either way, the message reflects a pretribulation Rapture viewpoint dating from the early centuries of the church.

Dr. Grant Jeffrey pursued an accurate translation of the sermon and is responsible for making the translation available in his book. The following quote is from section 2 of Ephraem’s sermon:

“Believe you me, dearest brother, because the coming (advent) of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time. Or do you not believe unless you see with your eyes? See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: “Woe to those who desire to see the day of the Lord!” For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.”[iii]

Ephraem believed Jesus would take the church out of the world ahead of a time of intense tribulation that would “overwhelm the world.” Is this not the pretribulation Rapture belief of today? Absolutely!

Belief in this doctrine is not as new as many assert today. Regardless of what date one puts on this sermon, it shows belief in the Rapture at least 1,200 years earlier than most critics today will admit.

The Didache

If the early church believed the Rapture (what we call it today) was a separate event from Jesus’ Second Coming and occurred before at least the main part of the tribulation, we would expect to see imminency regarding Jesus’ return reflected in the early church. And, that is exactly what we find.

The Didache, which means “teaching” in the Greek, is a brief document from the early years of the church that provides valuable insight into the thoughts of early believers regarding the return of Jesus. Scholars believe The Didache originates from as early as AD 70, although the church did not formally compile it until around AD 300.

Chapter 16 of The Didache says this, “Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord will come.”[iv] These words indicate an imminency regarding the Lord’s appearing, such as would be the case for someone expecting and watching for Jesus’ return to occur at any moment.

This quote in The Didache comes from Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 24 and 25 where the Lord described the tribulation, the antichrist’s defilement of the temple at the midpoint of the tribulation, and His glorious return to earth.

If the early church regarded Jesus’ return for them as the Second Coming, they would have known the rise of the antichrist and his defilement of the temple would have to come first. Why would they be on high alert for an event they knew could not happen for at least three and half years? They would have been watching for that, not Jesus’ return for them.

Why is This Important?

The reason for our look at church history stems from the use of it to deflate the hope of many believers in Jesus’ imminent appearing. Opponents of the Rapture regard it as a relatively recent invention of a fanatic and claim no one in the early church history believed in this bizarre doctrine.

However, our brief look at church history totally dispels this argument. The Church supports our belief in a pretribulation Rapture; it certainly does not negate it.

Although the fulfillment of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 was not called the “Rapture” until 150 years ago, it was a cherished belief of the early church as seen from the Irenaeus’ quote, the sermon of Ephraem, and by clear implication in The Didache, which showed a definite belief that Jesus could come at any time; something not true with the Second Coming.

Early believers looked for the appearing of Jesus at any time; I believe it’s wise to do the same today!

Jonathan C. Brentner

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https://jonathanbrentner.com/

[i] Irenaeus, “Against Heresies,” The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 10 vols. (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1979) Vol. 1, p. 558

[ii] Grant R. Jeffrey, Triumphant Return: The Coming Kingdom of God (Colorado Springs: Waterbrook Press, 2001)p. 174

[iii]Ibid., pp. 175-76

[iv] The Didache, Chapter 16, as translated on the Early Christian Writings website: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

http://www.raptureready.com/2018/08/03/church-history-negate-belief-rapture-jonathan-brentner/

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    • Truthseeker

      So as always those teaching a rapture have nothing solid!

      Show me scriptures like these found in Revelation 20: 1 – 6 where Christ specifically speaks of the First Resurrection at the beginning of His 1000 year reign here on the earth and then He explains that a 2nd resurrection will take place after the 1000 years.

      You Mr “minister” are teaching a satanic lie, sadly one of many

      Christ said those that endure until the end shall be saved — never did Jesus Christ speak of any being taken to the 3rd heaven.

      the Doctrines I follow must match perfectly with all Jesus Christ taught and HE never taught a rapture.

    • Killa187420

      This is a roman catholic teaching not biblical they are pagans in disguise as Christians was jesus’s ascension secret no in fact it says will see him same way he left.most revalations has been fulfilled. There is no one week left gap theory.all the death by the Roman catholic church and rest in last 1900 yrs jesus had nothing to say or care millions will die but they mean nothing the others do? When they stoned Stephen it’s because he knew the truth.no wonder why jesus said believers will be lukewarm naked blind wretched they believe they will poof oh well sucks to be you not how it works.

      • Crazy times

        Killa wrote…”was jesus’s ascension secret no in fact it says will see him same way he left”

        His ascension was NOT for the Public Arena , there we’re ONLY BELIEVERS “Apostles” PRESENT, He did not do it in the City Jerusalem for EVERYONE to see,
        so He did it secretly ….To and for His OWN…….v9 “and a cloud received Him out of their sight” Acts 1:6-11

        When He was out of View… “behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them.”

        The Important point was He will come IN the AIR “BY HIMSELF” as He left, and it’s ONLY FOR HIS BELIEVERS TO SEE and NOT for “Every Eye to see Him ”
        @The RETURN TO EARTH He comes WITH the Heavenly Host and stands on the Mount of Olives and “EVERY EYE will see Him”

        “it will suck to be you”…THEN.

    • Crazy times

      So as always those deniers of the “Caught up” teaching have no solid proof it won’t happen, just talk yada yada , Sadly many deny His Promises and defer back to their OWN estimates of Scripture and :twisted: ‘enduring to the End’ somehow dispels His Promises which fly in the face of Gods Word that the BRIDE is NOT to endure His WRATH :?: 1 Thessalonians 5:9

      For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

      The Satanist deny the Precepts and ordinances set by GOD, THEY EVEN DENY HIS OWN EXAMPLES HE GAVE US in “Noah and Lot” ESCAPING WRATH, intact unharmed, a Precept showing He ALWAYS gives MERCY before WRATH to those whom are HIS Accounted Worthy People, without exception.

      God said quite clearly He would take us to the Fathers House a Mansion John 14:2 KJV, He would take us by HIMSELF 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, He would take us BY HIMSELF John 14:3 with our Heads Intact the 5 WISE virgins parable Matt 25, He would take us from the final Hour to the Temple of God (His Throne-room rev 3:10-12 (3rd Heaven), and He will write on UPON OUR foreheads His New Name and the Name New Jerusalem (IN 3rd Heaven) which comes down FROM HEAVEN rev 3:12..AFTER 1000 yrs rev 21:2, He married the Bride in the (3rd Heaven) Revelation 19:6-9 and the Lamb becomes the Wife in the (3rd Heaven). Revelation 21:9

      The discombobulated doctrines of the accursedseekers are pure Satanic and are from their father :evil: they love to hear their OWN VOICE OVER and above Gods Word and His Promises.

      they do NOT follow what is clearly taught to us by “as it is written” in Scripture.

      THEY LIE ……..Amazingly these same deniers claim they will descend with the Lord when He RETURNS after meeting Him in the Air :?:

      How is that when they DENY the Rapture as a Satanic doctrine lie :roll: :roll: :roll: Oh Boy!!!

      • Truthseeker

        crazy

        28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

        you have Christ returning to earth three times.

        • Crazy times

          Factsdon’tmattertoseeker……..”you have Christ returning to earth three times.”

          huh!!! not so twistedseeker :shock: :evil:

          A rapture is as per Scripture at His APPEARING and we go out to meet Him “In the Air In the Clouds”

          Matthew 25:6…Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

          “will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.’1 Thessalonians 4:17

          OBVIOUSLY THEN ……This is NOT the 2nd Coming (Feet Down onto EARTH), but it’s an added MYSTERY as Paul revealed…As HE and WE MEET in the Clouds, NOT ON EARTH….”In a Twinkle of an Eye” as he states.

          Twistedseeker…said “1 Cort. 15 which you rapture folks use to show a rapture”…..Once again you Twist it and say we use it as Proof about rapture, when proof has ALREADY been given to you MANY TIMES showing the BRIDE IN HEAVEN…. :shock:

          Twistingseeker said…”Christ is raised from death FIRST and then THEY that belong to Christ AT HIS COMING! Where does it say they all then return to heaven???? It states HE COMES TO EARTH”

          “as it is written STATES otherwise”
          “But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.”

          you ADDED :arrow: “HE COMES TO EARTH” as a STATEMENT and dismiss the Mystery of ‘meeting in the Air” the MYSTERY of ‘In the twinkle of an Eye”…..Your “HE COMES TO EARTH” ..Is when “EVERY EYE will see Him’. …the contradiction is all yours as usual as you love NOT the TRUTH which could save you.

          Adieu.

      • Truthseeker

        crazy

        20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

        Crazy here are scriptures from 1 Cort. 15 which you rapture folks use to show a rapture — read it — Paul is describing the first resurrection to spirit life.

        21 For since by man came death, by man came also the “”"resurrection”"” of the dead.

        THE resurrection of the DEAD – no mentions of going to heaven yet.

        22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

        At that first resurrection the dead are made alive and as verse 44 states the Saints of God will be resurrected with a Spirit body.

        23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

        Christ is raised from death FIRST and then THEY that belong to Christ AT HIS COMING! Where does it say they all then return to heaven???? It states HE COMES TO EARTH

        42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

        RESURRECTION of the dead not the rapture!!

        43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

        44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

        45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

        50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

        Ain’t going to be any flesh and blood in God’s Kingdom, only Spirit will be in the Family of God the Father.

        The Promise we look for is to be immortal Spirit in the Family of God with the same spirit body as our Master. Phil 3:21

        51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

        At that first resurrection there will be a few still living and they are resurrected AFTER those that are in their graves. Again where does it say they then go to the 3rd heaven?

        52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

        AT THE LAST TRUMP THE DEAD ARE RAISED AS INCORRUPTIBLE SPIRIT – ‘crazy where does it say once raise to incorruptible spirit we all go to heaven?? IT state we shall be changed to spirit.

        53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

        54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

        Crazy there are seven trumpet plagues within the 7th Seal and the 7th of those Trumpet plagues is the LAST TRUMP — after the Great Tribulation and the heavenly signs comes the Day of the LORD and at the end of the Day of the LORD the Last Trump is sounded and Christ returns and the dead in Christ are raised to spirit and as kings and lord they shall for ever be with Christ —

        • Crazy times

          The Rapture will be Breathtakingly Awesome and Spectacular to those whom are “accounted worthy” , those whom believe in “the Glorious New Covenant” by FAITH alone , those who “are sealed” by God the Holy Spirit “for the redemption of his precious possession” His Bride …loo KING UP :cool:

          For those who are foolish and take no extra Oil ….well not so !!!

          Romans 10:9

          If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved…

          Repent and He will give you the “HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD” IN YOUR HEART” ‘a deposit of things to come”.

          Maranatha

          • Crazy times

            “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”.John 3:1-21

            John 3:7 :arrow: Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ :idea:

            John 3:5 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

            Romans 10:9……..

            TRULY TRULY ….means this is VERY IMPORTANT …Don’t miss out on His Pre Wrath Mercy while it’s still available AFTER the Rapture, the offer is different.

            • Truthseeker

              And that is what you call a merciful God Crazy??? I pass

              Again I totally and for ever reject every thing you believe in crazy.

              And before long your faith/trust will be shaken to the point you will doubt every thing you now accept as the truth — you will have no hope.

              But My Father and His Son will finally bring you to repentance and to the TRUTH.

              i wonder why you did not show us the rapture in 1 Cort. 15 ?? Answer – cause it ain’t in it.

            • Crazy times

              ‘i wonder why you did not show us the rapture in 1 Cort. 15 ?? Answer – cause it ain’t in it.”

              Hahahaha Talk about building a straw man and burning it down. ….crazy times indeed.

              As for your required Information…..It is THERE !!!

              I DID show you the Rapture in 1 Cort. 15 ?? , but your as blind as ferret….read

              :idea: V 51 & 52 :arrow: “In the Twinkle of an Eye” is DIFFERENT from “EVERY EYE ” and I even explained WHY :arrow: it’s a MYSTERY he Paul just reveled it :idea: , but you never read my replies let alone His Word IN CONTEXT….go figure!!!

              That’s WHY I USE EMOJI’S to POINT to WORDS :roll: as I’m aware many stumble, especially YOU…because your :twisted:

              :idea: I said ['OBVIOUSLY THEN ……This is NOT the 2nd Coming (Feet Down onto EARTH), but it’s an added MYSTERY as Paul revealed…As HE and WE MEET in the Clouds, NOT ON EARTH….”In a Twinkle of an Eye” as he states.
              ‘meeting in the Air” the MYSTERY of ‘In the twinkle of an Eye”"] :idea:

              Deathseeker

              You’ve ALSO been given multitudes of Scripture showing you where it IS and you say Its NOT there, and YET yourself have given an account that YOU believe you will partake in the return to Earth with HIM …So how did you accomplish that ? without a Rapture Into the Air ? First….Oh boy!!

              You can Scoff all you like about Gods Mercy before Wrath all you like as you scoff about the Harpaz rapture, but it does NOT change …”as it is written”

              Blindseeker said “But My Father and His Son will finally bring you to repentance and to the TRUTH.”

              He did that ALREADY when I was 8 yrs old ….UNLIKE YOU ..

              WHO ABSOLUTELY REJECTS :arrow: TRUTH…. for what is TRUTH.. but THE SPIRIT who guides US in ALL things , a (HE) the “HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD” another Advocate WHO will be with you, even to the End of the World..

              He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever — 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.…John 14:16

              A (HE) TRUTH DENIER …Aka.. DEATHseeker , a man of the World playing with FIRE you will NOT ‘PASS” “as it is written” you failed miserably ALREADY and wasted 50 plus years going around your Moses Mountain with the other blind ferrets….0.01 per%,ers

              Repent Truthavoider of Unbelief and be transformed by FAITH to the Glorious New Covenant

              Ye MUST MUST be born Again ….Truly Truly

              Maranatha to those Loo KING up.

            • Truthseeker

              WOW talk about twisting scriptures to match your desired doctrine!!!

              Crazy, twisting scriptures by your method means you can create any doctrine you desire, which is exactly what you do.

              Crazy why does Paul use the word Resurrection and not rapture –when the Saints rise to meet Christ as He returns in the clouds, that is the first resurrection and the change from death to immortal spirit occurs in the twinkling of an eye and as they rise to meet Christ every eye shall see them rise into the clouds to meet Christ and THEN Christ and the saints descend from the clouds to the mount of olives.

              There is not and never will be a rapture to the 3rd heaven

            • Crazy times

              You…”There is not and never will be a rapture to the 3rd heaven”

              Not for YOU…Truthtrasher… NOT for you !!! So why bother about something you will NEVER experience… :roll:

              You…”WOW talk about twisting scriptures to match your desired doctrine!!!”

              Huh!! :?: This is the doctrine held by Mainline AG Christian churches for millennia So how can you say it’s mine :?: , it’s in Scripture as shown to you… by…. “as it is written”.

              So Truthavoider YOU NOW AGREE there is a RAPTURE after all …WOW :an Harpazo, a ‘Caught up” Doctrine, as you realize your folly by saying over and over there is NO Rapture, and it was a doctrine from Satan, a doctrine from Rome / daughters etc :lol:

              So now your agreeing to a Rapture “and enduring till the End” this PUTS you in Post TRIBB Rapture believer ….Progress !!! i guess :grin:

              NOW this week, you say “every eye shall see them rise into the clouds to meet Christ “….NOPE !! even that is :twisted: that’s NOT…. “as it is written”

              YOU…” why does Paul use the word Resurrection”……. because it is a resurrection for the DEAD :roll:

              Paul was adding The Mystery …”Behold I tell you a Mystery” (a reveling NOT KNOWN BEFORE) Hence a MYSTERY , it resurrection occurs first …”In a twinkle of an Eye” for the LIVING BELIEVERS ALSO…51 “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall NOT all sleep, but we shall all be changed,”

              YOU…”why does Paul use the word Resurrection and not rapture ”

              Prior to Mystery it was well known a resurrection will occur for the DEAD… AFTER MYSTERY REVEALED that it’s for the :arrow: LIVING ALSO and that the Living will be raptured, harpazo, “caught up”… :arrow: at the same time

              Hence the LIVING now USE and LOOK FOR THE :arrow: HARPAZO, CAUGHT UP, RAPTURE, :arrow: WE DON”T LOOK FOR A RESURRECTION, AS WE ARE NOT DEAD :idea: :idea:

              But you are………. to “the SPIRIT OF TRUTH” which could save you BUT YOU REJECT HIM

              THE SPIRIT SAYS COME THE BRIDE SAYS COME Revelation 22:17 …….

              YOU SAY NO

              I go “THAT WAY”

            • Truthseeker

              crazy

              “”Huh!! :?: This is the doctrine held by Mainline AG Christian churches for millennia So how can you say it’s mine”"

              5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

              The Many are deceived not the few!

              The many are deceived by folks preaching Jesus Christ is the Savior.

              You Crazy are part of the many.

              the many will murder the few thinking they do God a service – and that time is just ahead.

              I seek the first resurrection, where does it say those in the rapture will reign with Christ for 1000 years?

              6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

              Where does it say the 2nd death will have no power on those in a rapture

            • Crazy times

              Bahahahwahaa…”You Crazy are part of the many”…”the many will murder the few thinking they do God a service – and that time is just ahead.”

              So your saying Born Again Christians are going to murder you and your family :shock: …are you insane :?: go look outside your Bunker that your hiding in or just read BIN articles on ISLAM and their God Satan who are murdering Christians :roll: and think they are doing their god a favour. :eek: :eek:

              You….”I seek the first resurrection,”

              Well you’d better get saved :arrow: FIRST as atm your “NOT WORTHY” as per Scripture and you’ll be in the 2nd lot :cry: ing. if you continue to fail :shock:

              You….”where does it say those in the rapture will reign with Christ for 1000 years? ”

              It Doesn’t :roll: because they won’t be on Earth…as I’ve pointed out MANY TIMES they GO at the Rapture :arrow: UP to the Fathers House IN HEAVEN taken AWAY FROM WRATH ; HIS BRIDE / Wife are given (Spiritual bodies) IMMORTALITY at His Appearing and don’t live with Mortals (normal natural bodies) on EARTH during the millennial reign.

              :arrow: ….those whom you mentioned are “Tribulation Saints “(Beheaded) and “came to LIFE ” AGAIN :arrow: NOT to ETERNAL LIFE :idea: and reign with Christ 1000 yrs on EARTH…in (resurrected natural bodies NOT THE resurrection to a Spiritual body, big difference )

              They will have to be re tried over the 1000yrs as FAITH was LACKING in “the Glorious New Covenant” and @rapture ‘NO OIL’ was found, so they’re left behind to become Tribb Saints, they, ONLY BELIEVED AFTER the TRUE BRIDE DISAPPEARED as Promised to Heaven in a SPIRITUAL BODY…@ the First (SPIRITUAL) Resurrection…”In a twinkle of an Eye”.

              Loo KING Up.

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