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CNN: Maybe Trump Didn’t Actually Say What We’ve Been Saying He Said

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For the past half-a-day or so, the media and their fanclub has been lathered up by the story that President Trump referred to some countries using the technical term-of-art “shithole.”

I’ve been laughing at the number of people who are now trying to convince me that neither Haiti nor El Salvador qualify for that term:

you mean… a shithole

— sarah (@therightsarah) January 12, 2018

Wow, sounds like the country is kind of a… what’s the word I’m looking for… shit-something.

— Eddie Scarry (@eScarry) January 12, 2018

Leftists, 2017: “Norway has a great society.”
Trump, 2018: “Norway has a great society.”
Leftists, 2018 (yesterday): “You can’t send people back to Haiti! It’s horrible there!”
Trump, 2018 (today): “Haiti is a horrible place to live.”

— Henry (@HMSPitts) January 12, 2018

Whatever. And the alacrity with which the media and their fanclub translated a statement of the obvious into something racist is simply another marker of lack of seriousness that has permeated the media since around July 2016.

Why must you conflate a derogatory remark about a country

With everyone who lives in that country

For example #MediaMatters is a sh*thole organization

But not all @mmfa employees are smear merchant propagandists

WAIT, maybe not my best analogy

— Jim Hanson (@Uncle_Jimbo) January 12, 2018

I’ll strongly disagree with my friend Erick Erickson when he writes I Would Rather the Poor From Africa Than the Rich From Norway. I think this sounds nice but it is wrongheaded. People don’t immigrate alone. They bring their culture with them. That is why we have “Little Italy” and “Chinatown” and “Koreatown” and, if you are Jesse Jackson, “Hymietown.” People from failed states, particularly adults from failed states, also bring with them the coping behaviors and survival strategies that allowed them to stay alive. Those artifacts are implanted within that community. If you doubt me, look at Sweden and Germany and France and the UK. For all their failings, a rich Dane is going to be acquainted with how to get by in a pluralistic society, he’s going to understand the rule of law, he’s going to be familiar with the basic civic structures and concepts that are based in the European Enlightenment which, like it or not, is the foundation for the U.S. Constitution, our juris prudence, and our civil society. And a rich Dane is very unlikely to become a ward of the state. The fact that people from failed states and semi-functioning Third World states want to come to America does not mean that letting them come here is a good idea.

Having said, the controversy today is now whether Trump actually made the remarks. The problem is that there is a) no record of the event and b) no one on the record saying this. But, as we’ve seen from the Michael Wolff book and all of his supporters, truth is actually irrelevant

Michael Wolff to MSNBC anchor on his book: “If it rings true, it is true”

— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) January 8, 2018

This is the official response:

The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made – a big setback for DACA!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018

Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings – unfortunately, no trust!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018

Now CNN’s Jake Tapper has weighed in. He thinks Trump has a point:

So how and why is President Trump denying the remarks that he reportedly said?

I have some clarifying reporting from a source familiar the meeting. I want to start by saying that this does not make what he said any more acceptable, but it might shed some light on it all. 1/

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 12, 2018

The president did not refer to Haiti as a “shithole” country according to the source familiar with the meeting… though he DID say it about countries in Africa…

What happened, the source says, is there was a conflation of two different remarks by the president. 2/

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 12, 2018

First, when talking about “temporary protected status” countries as part of the immigration deal it was mentioned that Salvadorans, Hondurans and Haitians have that status. 3/

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 12, 2018

“Haitians?” the president said. “Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out” —- meaning take them out of the deal.4/

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 12, 2018

Then in a separate part of the conversation when they were referencing the diversity visa lottery, President Trump referred to people coming from Africa as coming from “shithole countries.”

Again, I’m not saying this is better. Just that this is what happened, per my source. 5/

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 12, 2018

6/ So that might explain the kinda-pushback from POTUS today. -fin-

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 12, 2018

Did he say it or not? I don’t know. I don’t care. If he didn’t say it, he’s owed an apology. If he did say it, so what? He was right.

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    • unidentified

      isnt a swamp the same as a shit hole ? :mad:

      • Anonymous

        Correct. This also makes the Whitehouse a shithole, since it’s a swamp now. :smile:

        • 2QIK4U

          Correct. It always was with new paint.

          • Ted

            I’d be happy to supply Mr. Trump with many more “profane metaphors” to use, but he probably doesn’t need them. He should already have been recording every meeting, better late than never.

            The liberals can’t have him being successful, and proving that their policies are the cause of our countries’ problems.

            Mr. President, don’t change a thing! :grin:

    • RAIN

      somebody say somethin’ these mthrfckrs can UNDERSTAND

      speak solid and carry a big MAGAzine.

      • ElOregonian

        I believe Bill and Hillary, thru the Clinton Foundation, did much more hating on Haiti by stealing and profiting on all the donated money that was raised for the earthquake disaster relief funds. Not even mentioning all the children that were stolen, abused, and murdered from there!


        Exactly, crickets……

        • Josie

          Isn’t it the truth, the MSM will never report on that.

    • oldspacedog

      I’d say that Venezuela, having virtually no toilet paper, pretty much qualifies.

    • Ideas Time

      Whether he said it or not. The facts are that these countries are shi!-holes. The left hates it when the truth comes out. I would not want to own any real estate next to these people. Property values crash where ever these people go. Same with invaders from south of the border. The economic loss to real estate values is never factored in by the left.

    • jdpent01

      JUST LOOK AT THOSE COUNTRIES, HIGH RIDDEN CRIME, MANY WITH DISEASES WE DON’T NEED, MOST WOULD NOT ASSIMILATE BUT CLUSTER INTO THEIR OWN WORLD LIKE MANY MEXICAN AREAS DO, THEY WANT THE BEST OF TWO WORLDS, BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE THAT WAY AS THEY MADE A PLEDGED TO THE USA. Solmalia war torn, Hatti crime ridden, Logos Christian murders and crime,Boko Haram of west Africa, Islamic terrorist. We don’t need voodoo aroma from Hatti coming into the USA.THAT DOES NOT ADD TO OUR CULTURE NOR DO WE NEED ANY MORE Muslims they should practice their religion without interfering in ours. They don’t like Christianity then by all means go back home where yours is more tolerated, no one is stopping you from leaving. Oh no freebies in your country then you must challenge to norms of your gov’t. Like Iran citizens did a week ago. America became what it is today because we got immigrants from England, Italy, Germany Hungry, and many western nations to Europe to come and assimilate in our country. they gave up their former isms but kept the food culture mostly.

    • Ideas Time

      Why are Americans expected to save all these people who we don’t need? There are over 7 billion people and most are from non-west countries and most all seem to need whites to save them and feed them. What are going to do when they number 10 billion? If you feed rats you get lots more. Sooner or later you can feed any of them or yourself. They make the shit holes they live in by having way to many kids they can not afford. White people are smarter than that.

      • Man

        China has more than 1 billion people. That is 1/7th of the world They don’t ask for “whites”

    • Pink Slime

      He should have said they are 3rd world countries. Nobody would suspect he meant TURD world! Same as sh*t hole countries, BTW. :wink:

    • azj

      I’m with Trump on s***hole countries. Who needs more
      aides… crime… illiteracy… no skills… no job prospects… and
      huge numbers of relatives to come along for the ride?

    • Andy

      politically correct cuckolds the lot of them

      it is not an insult to call a blind person blind, neither is it an insult to call a shit-hole country a shit-hole

      Haiti, Honduras, El Salvador etc etc etc are shit-holes because they’re run by Haitians, Hondurans, El Salvarodians – and we want these people why exactly?

      sure, help them out when disaster occurs, but then send them home again to live in the world THEY created

    • 2QIK4U

      Clinton News Network.

    • cj

      They are being exposed so are fighting back.

    • kletus_ledbetter

      MSM and the DNC are the real shitholes.

    • Thoth

      Despite all the happy talk, somewhere close to 40% of working age Americans do not have a job. When our currency collapses due to astronomical and ever increasing debt, a lot of people aren’t going to make it. And I suspect a great many of them are going to regret coming here very much. Assuming, of course, that they don’t wind up in the upper stratosphere first. And that, unfortunate, is assuming a lot.




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