Were Real Persons Murdered On 9/11?
Stewart Ogilby, Veterans Today
The question is an absurd one except to those of us who have spent part of our lives exploring contradictions and mysteries posed by official narratives regarding events of that world-changing day. Increasingly, the question is becoming, “How many real persons died as a result of alleged events that occurred in connection with the destruction of buildings in New York City’s World Trade Center Complex on September 11, 2001?”
A logical tentative answer is provided by Mr. Simon Shack, the brilliant creator of SeptemberClues.info website and supported by members of his CluesForum.info, two online resources that call into serious question reports of that day’s victims.
Shack’s sites initially postulated all alleged victims to be computer created fakes who never existed, based on absurdities of photoshopped and digitally morphed memorial images. Proofs presented on their Vicsim Report <http://septemberclues.info/vicsims/9-11-9%20the%20Vicsim%20Report.pdf> are overwhelmingly convincing when one takes sufficient time to carefully review its eighty pages.
However, a few high profile “victims” such as Barbara Olson, Tom Burnett, David Angell, and Father Judge, out of nearly 3,000 “victims” appear to lay credible claim to having had lives prior to 9/11. Of course, this does not prove they died that day. Two possible ruses exist: Their “personae” may have been created by agents, or their
complicity may have been bought and they are living under witness-protection type programs.
It should be apparent that illustrating even a few fake victims impunes the veracity of the 9/11 narrative itself and implicates media insiders as conspiring perpetrators and criminal accomplices in promoting and waging aggressive murderous warfare. We who have spent considerable time on this subject facetiously muse, “So, what else is new?”
The subject of Shack’s Vicsims, or what I prefer to call “datafakes” should be the final hoax exposed, following the spontaneous collapsing buildings hoax and the hijacked airliners hoax. It may conveniently become, thanks largely to Mr. Shack, the easiest to document. To spend time investigating every one of nearly 3,000 units is unnecessary. Research effort can be suspended once sufficient to conclude that widespread mendacity is involved.
Based on continuing online activity in victimology, memorialization and activities of spurious “truthers”, it is fair to assume that evil ones have worked diligently over the past decade to firm up paper trails of phony victims. Those intent on exposing the victims hoax might well focus on finding and documenting alleged surviving family members. Rather than spend too much time on victims hoax minutae let’s go directly to the key issue posed by the 911 media hoax.
The key issue is exposure of 9/11 perpetrators and what steps need be taken to effectively remove those criminals from positions of power in our country.
Knowledge without action is politically unacceptable. Unfortunately, our masses have no understanding that politics is an important branch of philosophy according to Aristotle. They have been brainwashed into simplistic and largely meaningless partisanship squabbles.
Exposing Americans to the financially ruinous, murderous, and dishonest trick played upon them on 9/11 that took advantage of their human decency and their compassion for phony victims may become the key that unlocks petty partisanship and provides energy for major political change in our nation.
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Isn’t it amazing how some of the “hijackers” have the power to come back to life after the event. Then have no memory of taking part in it, especially after seeing their faces plastered all over western media.
“Politics is an important branch of philosophy according to Aristotle. They have been brainwashed into simplistic and largely meaningless partisanship squabbles”.
Yes, and by using these squabbles to divide us, we the people are less aware that our country is being taken from all of us.
911 was an inside job.
I’ve said this before, but it’s worth repeating: THE BLOWBACK (note the espionage term) ON THIS IS GOING TO BE EPIC!
I can’t give any credence to such a conspiracy because it would mean that normal Americans would lend themselves to such a terrible, evil deed as 9/11. I have no problem believing that government officials would do so as they have no morals or ethics.
How can anyone say something so preposterous? I know Andy Popper, one of LeyRoy Homer Jr.’s high school teachers, who vouches for Homer’s existence and his accomplishments as a commercial airline pilot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeRoy_Homer,_Jr.
Next someone will claim that the victims of the Murrah Building bombing didn’t exist, even though it claimed my aunt Frances Williams, who worked for HUD in Oklahoma City.
This guy and his site are totally devoted to debunking 911 as presented by the main stream media.
http://www.therealnewsonline.com/
First of all it is reported that not one single federal agent from the FBI or the ATF died in the Oklahoma City bombing. Barbara Olsen is also of major interest. A while back I read a report where she was caught crossing an international border with 300,000 Lira in cash. The story has disappeared. And what about John P. Wheeler III, murdered and found in a land fill. Why aren’t we hearing anything about that investigation. Something is definitely rotten in Denmark.
I suppose all the pedestrians injured or killed had cloaking devices and transporter terminals to jump into to make their getaway. Get a clue fool. Just because a large number of phony IDs were created to carry out this ruse, it does NOT INDICATE OVERALL INCLUSION OF CIVILIAN AND POLICE AND FIREFIGHTER VICTIMS AS NONEXISTENT ENTITIES.
Even though the heads of WTC rescue, fire department and police squads knew of the charges preset during construction. The demolition systems set up during construction were published in several construction journals and (at least) Seattle news papers. Skilling and Associates were from Seattle and provided the source material for these articles in Seattle PI and Seattle Times newspapers.
Get off your computer stool and go look. Look for torn out pages in trade journals. The manufactured IDs discussed in the above article express an intent to deceive. This propaganda squad is associated with the makers of far lesser ruses to aid in the coverup of this crime. The ammount of money, scrip and gold stolen from the WTCs is in the hundreds of billions or more. Their propaganda front is indeed the best funded ever. But they lie about murdering thousands of Americans and millions of our middle eastern friends. Watch out for their next ‘false flag’ murders. Pay attention or risk death.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we choose to deceive.
Of course thousands of people were murdered on 9-11. talk to the people manipulating evidence after they have been arrested and held on $50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 cash each for bail. Let them know that their pals have legislated torture and an angry victims’ family friend is coming to call. They will sing.
I have taken the time to go through the work at SeptemberClues.info and there is sufficient proof there to convince me that yes indeed 911 was an inside job and the media had to have been in on the planning stages. They sure seem to get caught with a flaw in their video masking. SimonShack shows evidence that all the networks were synced into the same time signal and video.
Here is another good page with tons of info about 911 being an inside job: http://ae911truth.org/index.php
The evidence presented at SeptemberClues.info is indeed shocking and irrefutable in my mind. It’s now clear that 911 was the ultimate PSYOP, but one that has been revealed for what it is, complete and utter lies. Accept the evidence and the facts that 911 was orchestrated in its entirety. Now that you’ve accepted that truth, what the hell are you going to do about it? It’s called America Revolution 2.
“datafakes” or matrix generated holograms with mass … one day we just might get a glimpse of who’s real and who are simply matrix generated occupants in this reality mixed with hologram illusions and the Mother Earth’s matrix created reality …
And maybe at the same time, we’ll get a glimpse of the none humanoids whom wear the hologram illusion as their human appearance …
Interesting times for sure …
I find it hard to believe people would think it’s unfathomable that the government wouldn’t or couldn’t fake people’s identities and deaths. It’s so bad now one can’t watch the news because it’s all fake. DENIAL, RIDICULE, ANGER. The stages people will go through traveling through the seemingly never-ending rabbit hole of the lies and deceit of what is known as the government. To outright say it’s not possible for 911 deaths to be faked is silly because governments of the world have shown there’s no low too low they won’t act on. More and more people are seeing the little man behind the curtain.
Well said Betsy.
Betsy… wow. I think you could interchange the parts about “911 deaths” with any other obvious cover-up and that statement would still be 100% on point.
Unfortunately now I think I’ll have to take advantage that “Fair Use” law and steal that quote.
And the lies and deceit made up by the restless souls on the internet.
Of course they weren’t real people…they were sheeple! We are the real people, because we believe anything anyone sets in front of us. Do you believe me?
Denial because the USA was caught out by a bunch of I’ll prepared terrorists.
They couldn’t have managed it it must have been a conspiracy ,
Wrong the terrorists got lucky because America had become slack it was an easy target .
What about the previous attack on the world trade Center was that fake also .
This article is complete rubbish and a insult to those who died and also the firefighters who died trying to save them
The old Soviet Union loved psychiatry because it could call anyone who did not “love the party” abnormal and then torture them until they changed their mind as “treatment” for their “illness”.
Well I guess I have to do more research to see what the article is saying….
Bianca Jagger?
No question about it, 911 was an event of Bush’s own making…
Think!!! Whats the murder of 2.800+ next to the murder of 100.000 men women and small children world wide???
Answer “NOTHING!!!”
8.5 billion – 2.800 = no big deal here the numbers have it…
Anonymous everyone is very sorry for your personal loss. All some are doing is trying to understand how a bunch of cave dwelling Saudis could outmanuever and outwit the whole American intelligence networks and military, that’s all.
Then there are the obituaries written according to the AP computer coded time stamps…written as early as in the Spring of 2001. An obit for a Shanksville “victim” time stamped in August recounted his demise in Shanksville. Where are the passenger manifests for each of those planes…passenger manifests it’s illegal to fly without…? They don’t exist. That’s why the article referrs to having to piece together who the victims were from pix posted on the “wailing wall” after 9/11 by “family members.” There are NO passenger manifests. OF COURSE firemen were sacrificed, as were those instructed they MUST stay in the building. There’s a video of the “woman” waving a handkerchief about 20 feet from the hole where one of the planes entered that has a “gliche” that clearly points to a malfunctioning robotic arm…and how could even a “robot” survive heat so intense it allegedly melted STEEL (2000+ degrees F)??
9/11 is suspect in that there could be American Government conspiracy involved in order to justify the so called ‘War on Terror’.
But, you people are delusional if you think one minute think that people whom died in the Twin Towers were fake !
I suspect the story of fake people on the aircraft is possible, given there have apperently not been passenger records in evidence, or do the records indeed exist ?
Sorry to burst the bubble of some but DO NOT think fake people cannot be made by our government. Look at the “Witness Protection Program” as a prime example of making real people seemingly disappear and not to be found all the while the government just created them an entire new ID, family history, school records, work history and more.
If you honestly think that fake people IE:complete documented individual citizens cannot be created by our government or any government for that matter you seriously need to come out from under your rock into the light of day.
911 was an inside job there is no doubt. Too much evidence points that way.
We already knew that. Israel did it.
>> Posted by Average Joe Bodybuilder on Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:51
We already knew that. Israel did it.
okay if you want to say that the US government AND Israel perpetrated 911 I can go with that. However don’t say that Israel “did not do it at all”. You assuring me conveys no meaning. Evidence… PHYSICAL EVIDENCE is all that matters.
One of the core tenets of Judaism is that there is a group of chosen people and then there are goy. Jews are both a religious group and a people. You can be a Khazar and be a member of that religious faith that believes that most of the world are cattle to be used. So don’t tell me that stuff about true semites or fake semites. You get the religion from the teachings, and that religious group helped to perpetrate 911. If they had help from Christian zionists that does not take away from the fact that they did it.
@Average Joe Bodybuilder I can agree. Lots of people out there are failing to go research ALL of the evidence that is openly displayed and out there for research.
Yeah and the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE shows Israel perped 911….
just like USS Liberty
just like the lavon
just like king david hotel
just like ben ami kadish
just like jonathan pollard
just like….
It’s not logical to say “Israel did it.” While their intelligence was CERTAINLY involved and their film crew danced in the streets, they did not arrange for Marvin Bush to be head of security for one of the airlines and the world trade center. They did not arrange for FEMA to be in N.Y.that day. They did not arrange for our military to be in a drill involving planes hitting the world trade center. They did not make Dick Cheney tell those military jets to stand down. They did not arrange for a huge hurricane to be 150 miles off the NY shore and NOT report it (used as the “generator” for a new energy weapon?) They did not make the AP compile obituaries complete with location of death months in advance. They did not lose the passenger manifests on all the planes. They did not destroy the black boxes of all the planes. Etc. etc. etc. But Israel’s not the only government in collusion to produce 9/11. Why was the Saudi Prince coincidentally having a skyline view breakfast overlooking the world trade center with George Bush, Sr. that morning? Why were 9 of the 11 alledged hyjackers Saudis? Why did French television broadcast the fall of Building 7 20 minutes before it fell? Why was bin Lauden given sanctuary in a Dubai hospital where CIA ops visited him in the Spring of 2001? Why did the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) refer to the need for a “new Pearl Harbor” in order to invade Iraq in a war that was co-opted by England?
Israel Did 911 – All The Proof In The World
It was not just Israel alone. Bilderberg I am sure had their hands in it and a host of others.
darn what the heck happened to my comment?
one more time:
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2099/800/Lest_We_Forget_MOSSAD_INVOLVEMENT_In_The_9_11_WTC_ATTACKS.html
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2086/497/Deanna_Spingola_and_Dr._Ed_Kendrick_Discuss_Israels_Relationship_to_911.html
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2084/499/Japan,_Fukushima,_Stuxnet,_Germany,_E_coli,_superbug,_Israel,_Mossad_-_part_2.html
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2084/476/Japan,_Fukushima,_Stuxnet,_Germany,_E_coli,_superbug,_Israel,_Mossad_-_part_1.html
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2082/105/Who_Did_9_11_-_OBL,_Bush_Or_Mossad_The_Evidences.html
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2082/458/Israel_Did_911_-_All_The_Proof_In_The_World.html
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2082/111/9_11:_Who_Benefited_from_the_World_Trade_Center_Attacks.html
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2086/489/103_Suspected_9-11_Criminal_Coconspirators.html
since you mentioned PNAC. PNAC goes to prove how israel was involved with 911 to the hilt:
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/2103/106/Israels_Clean_Break_PNACs_Rebuilding_Americas_Defenses_9_11.html
From your first link, the Israilis quote: “had a classified ROLE in 9/11.” All the video suggested to me is that we covertly use Mossad intelligence routinely within the U.S. spy infrastructure. Another clue is that none have EVER been charged, even tho they’ve been outed, most likely by peer groups they infiltrated. The U. S., Israel, Saudi Arabia, England…all were involved.
the first link and that’s it? This plot was born in and for the benefit of israel.
No. I’m wading through it. The second link how some outright wrong headed content..laying EVERYTHING at the feet of Zionists, while absolving the Masons, not even mentioning the Illunminati and saying the Catholic church was active in the prosecution of pedifiles. Not. Errors also were.in the timing of the fundamentalist church movement’s alleged recent bond with the state of Isrealm i.e., Jerry Fallwell started out with good intent, and NOT aligned with Israel. He started out with running up the capital steps in EVERY state in a media event to gain national momentum. His “purity” for the faith simply ISN’T true. Fundamentalists, at least since 1980 that I know of personally, have taken scripture literally that anyone who goes against the nation of Israel is not on the side of God, and will be judged and condemned and then the guest says that because the Jewish faith “opposes” the very foundation of the Christian faith, the Jewish faith and the Talmud are evil. The interviewer defends Mel Gibson’s drunken comments about Jews as being a “set up.” I find this position to be just anoher form of religious intollerance as grevious as ANY religious intolerance. So I’m working on it. Patience. These links are hours long. But what I am hearing does NOTHING to prove the “bad” Jews (as compared to the “good” Jews) are behind all intrnational conspiracy. THAT simply isn’t true either. Criminal action is criminal action, whether by Saudi Arabians, Serbs, or African countries promoting slaughter by gangs of children.
Sorry for all the typos. I’m bleary eyed with all of this and really DO have “a life.”