WTC 7 Master File NIST Report Verses Eye Witnesses WTC 7 turned back into Red Dirt!
WTC 7 Master File NIST Report Verses Eye Witnesses WTC 7 turned back into Red Dirt!
The Popular Mechanics question to Dr. Shyam Sunder about the building falling into its own foot print was most telling of a controlled demolition. Dr. Shyam Sunder said the core of WTC 7 fell first like a controlled demolition BUT its not a controlled demolition. Leslie Robertson WTC structural engineer also said the core fell first in the North Tower. 9/11 debunkers who say the tower fell at point of impact completely forget that material below the visually affected section has to be removed first in before any material begins moving above. i.e the core.
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removed or weakened?
i think the question is do the floors below have to be pulverized, or can they just be compromised? the weight of all the floors above the impact cause pressure… at some point that pressure cant be resisted. the question is at what point and how can you get there? it doesnt seem so black and white as you are characterizing it.
or maybe you are right and the building has to be blasted to dust before the top can crush the bottom. i dont know much about the behavior of buildings under that kind of stress. im a little surprised you know as much as you do. if you do.
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The red clay dirt piles and high atmosphere dust clouds makes it seem like the core was pulverized in order to create an instant void. As you recall from collapse videos, the dust creation in large volumes happens too quickly for a weakening effect to be valid. Weakening Theory creates dust after collapse not during. I can go and get samples at the near by 9/11 memorials and collect this material which is assumed to be from fresh kills. I have no idea what Fresh Kills soil looks like from this new material.
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is it true there were clouds of dust prior to the collapse initiation? if thats true then i say case closed.
well, sort of. i guess a very small amount could maybe be accounted for by some buckling, but it would be miniscule. if there are large clouds of dust prior to collapse, its over. you should have said that right up front.
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Weakening Theory maintains material until enough space is created for explosive gravitational impact effect.
What we see is dust volumes creation before enough space is created explosive gravitational impact.
I only have one video that shows this which I can’t find it now
WCBS NIST South Tower 2 Explosion Slow Slow /motion building Explosion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnETho980p0
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that seems to me like a technical question. the dust comes out during the collapse, i dont know if thats anomalous or not.
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i think we have different ideas of what “before” means
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The video begins paused with black jets happening above the impact zone. That section is gone and nothing is above that area.
What “weaken above” the impact zone?
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sorry, i thought the idea was to show me clouds of dust before collapse.
its true you said during and i misunderstood. i guess i dont understand why a collapse cant produce dust during. i dont see why that fact precludes a collapse due to weakening. it sounds straw mannish. who is saying you cant have dust during?
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The jets above impact are small and the clouds do happen inside microseconds of building movement. Again the key is volume and relative to the degree of the collapse verse Weaken Theory which would produce dust both later and a smaller degree in volume. The top half would have rolled right off.
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well, the top half rolling off is a different story. and i agree with that more or less. thats what i would probably have predicted, albeit from an admittedly ignorant place.
i think the dust during or two seconds later is a pretty fine point thats going to be hard to sell.
has anyone ever made a scale model and tried to see what kind of damage would be required to make the thing collapse straight down? would such an exercise even be informative or do you need large scale for the physics to make sense?
>o
Also Demolition Theory always has the uneffected portion resisting, but NIST must have turned that on its head and used uneffected portion as dead already disconnect weight which acted as a contributor to the cause of the fall of both the North Tower and the South Tower.
Large scale model without the blasting never works out. They use the vanishing cartoon technique as a stand in. I have never seen a model that includes the dust clouds and the final resting shape of the towers.
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if you have even a basic understanding of physics, building 7 proves beyond all reasonable doubt, the collapse could not happen according to the official explanation. well.. actually .. now.. the official explanation is.. “we dont know” however..
the speed of collapse can be measured.. and has been. and NIST has begrudgingly ( for they understand the implications ) admitted to the fact, that the building went through a phase of free fall acceleration, for ~2.5 seconds.
that does not mean the building fell at free fall speed. however, freefall acceleration means, that for that period of time, that building was falling with the resistance of nothing more than thin air…
even if there was still a house of cards for it to fall through.. that would slow it down..
for the measurable period of time.. falling straight down.. through the path of most resistance.. it means that all supporting structure.. across the entire building.. not just the asymmetrical damaged bit.. which if it was to have any affect in this, wouldve meant a building falling over.. not straight down.. but all support across the entire building, over several floors, must have been instantaneously and simultaneously removed.
the fires and damage observed can not account for this. some sort of controlled demolition can.
as controlled demolition, is the only scenario left that can withstand scrutiny, when you understand it takes more than an afternoon to properly rig a controlled demolition, it is obvious the events of 911 – and the destruction of all the towers, was pre planned, and that the official account of 911.. is nothing more than a big fat lie.
the infighting between all the so called truthers.. is nothing more than obfuscation.. distraction.. to blur the truth.
people who use “deathtojudywood” etc etc.. in order to argue the minutest details.. about how exactly things did or didnt happen.. are not helping.
the proper forum to argue those details is not on a web forum.. but in a court of law.. with proper powers.. where expert testimony and witnesses can be heard and cross examined under oath, until a verdict can be reached, beyond all reasonable doubt.
there is enough evidence already for this to happen.. the fact that it hasnt .. now almost 12 years later.. probably means it never will.. at least not until those responsible.. have all passed away..