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Unbelievable! Secret Provision Buried In Obamacare Forbids Any Executive Order To Regulate Guns And Ammo

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[Ed. Note: Who would have dreamed Libertarians would ever be in a position to praise any aspect of Obamacare? Well, thanks to a provision by Harry Reid buried in Obamacare, civil war caused by a gun grabbing executive order may have been averted.]

by Rick Ungar, Forbes:

In a shot heard ’round the blogosphere, Vice President Joe Biden’s suggestion that the administration might bypass Congressional participation to regulate guns in favor of using the executive order produced the inevitable choirs of “I told ya so” as Biden’s sound bite appeared to provide the proof that Obama was, indeed, coming for your guns.

But this time, the gun advocates were ready with more than just angry recriminations.

Acting with an assist from CNN, right-wing bloggers and gun advocates in the know, let loose with a tidbit of information they have, no doubt, been long chomping at the bit to unleash—the revelation that there is already a law on the books that would prevent the government from making good on Biden’s tantalizing suggestion, a law that would actually prevent the government from collecting data on firearm ownership and more.

And what might that law be? Obamacare.

Read More @ Forbes.com


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    • Trackerz

      The “progressive” politician, a cancer on Liberty

      This is the kind of politician that appoints extreme “progressive” judges responsible for 56% of Violent Crime from Chronic repeat offenders, releasing them back on the public to commit more violent crime. There are not Citizen Review boards for unaccountable Judges and Psychiatrists unlike Police.

      This is the kind of Politician that takes money from big pharmaceutical companies, while their unaccountable psychiatrists prescribe Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Wellbutrin, Lexapro, Effexor, Celexa, Ritalin and many other antidepressants and psychotropic drugs to almost every single teen or adult involved in a mass shooting, with absolute zero oversight on what those teens are around, while under the influence, IE; weapons of all kinds, cars, other mixed drugs or alcohol, machinery, etc. They hide accountability with Dr. /Patient confidentiality, so they do not have to report the mental state to the FBI to be able to actually stop the mental patients from getting hold of weapons they should not be in possession of.

      This is the kind of politician that enjoys armed security around them in public, in their private schools, places of work and places where their money is kept safely, but like the Cesare Borgia rulers of Europe  breaking Federal laws; while you law abiding should be limited, even after background checks and hundreds of hours of training, in their opinion.

      This is the kind of politician, turning local police into standing armies, which is what the Bill of Rights and Constitution was made to defend against, at the same time supposed to be protecting individuals the right to keep and bear arms, with the Second amendment the only amendment in the constitution with the words, “shall not be infringed.” Hamilton & Madison specifically created the Bill of Rights, to protect against the abuse of power by the Executive and Legislative branches. FBI are not standing Armies yet they use “military” style weapons, The National Forest Service has AR-15 like assault weapons, Treasury Department, The law enforcement group of the DOE have them, The BLM, the ATF, the Secretary of state issues permission to non-citizens for full automatic weapons while traveling inside U.S. under the diplomatic title, U.S. Marshal service have “assault” weapons, State and local law enforcement. These groups have no special rights under the Constitution for “military” style weapons, yet they carry them, while not being a standing army. Why is their safety put above the safety of those of the average citizens, that face criminals and gangs armed as well as any military with small arms?

      This is the kind of politician is creating “gun free” zones, where 99% of these mass shootings occur. They never answer any of the serious questions about their own failures to secure the public from criminals and mental patients their appointed judge’s release. They never answer how killing Liberty for the law abiding stops the mentally deranged drug cartels and sorted violent chronic criminals will give up their illegal “assault” weapons or high capacity magazines. They never answer the question why so many agencies have become standing armies, completely contrary to the U.S. Constitution. If you think they are justified to carry “military style” guns and not the average law abiding citizen, then you all need to open the Federalist papers and Constitution and read them.

      This is the kind of politician claiming to worry about children, while dragging every single taxpayer into the bedroom, to pay for someone’s sexual behavior with their tax money for tax funded abortions.

      This is the kind of politician using skewed statistics that lump in law abiding Concealed firearms holders that have FBI background checks hundreds of hours of training in with drug related crime, gangs, at risk homes, bail bonds agents, and those that break gun laws or laws in general.

      When is the electorate going to hold the “progressive” Politician opportunists, Judges, Lawyers and Psychiatrists accountable for the blood on their hands?

    • Louis

      Looks like the commie joke prez shot himself in the foot.

    • drhoecker

      when health care addresses guns it is self evident we are being led astray
      i demand we all remember the past and stop this establishments reign of terror
      i want to share a story with you

      back in the day we destroyed our world last time all the survivors

      sat in a group and agreed to live right this time around

      they further agreed to walk the world and return home again

      and they agreed to do it in peace

      then along came our govt in america and destroyed peace

      we assulted the children and killed the parents

      we stole the land with lies and trickery,illegally ceeded the land

      no one had a right to sell nor buy this land,it was a gift from above

      for the children to live in peace upon its back

      many treaties were written to stop the fighting and save lives

      we violated every one of them,every single one we ignored

      when we agreed to set down our weapons the american natives did such

      but the american government did not set down their weapons,they picked them up

      and to this day the government has only picked up more and more weapons

      i hold a depiction of a sacred rug that reveals the coming gun surrender

      i never read it,it read itself to me spiritually.

      the government is tricking all of society into joining their plans of control

      they have created an air of desire to own guns and ammo by

      stating they will take them away from the people

      then only the government will have weapons and thus can end our freedom

      we are scheduled to all become slaves and without recourse

      where is the answers we seek?

      my native brothers told me truth,

      they surrendered their weapons

      and we did not.

      they only ask why

      now as i stand witness to our situation i see choices

      gather every gun and bullet we can possibly carry and wait for the worst

      surrender freely our weapons and become defenceless to the criminals

      or world wide end all weapons of war so no one loses

      or every nation gather every weapon possible and fight to the end

      man alone has the choice to make

      we asked one side to comply and they have done so

      they chose wisely for the sake of peace but it returned slavery

      i ask the world now why do we ask for peace and become slaves?

      should we pick up our weapons and stop being slaves?

      or should we all agree to end hatred and live as one world?

      i am myself facing this hard choice right now

      should i gather weapons and wait or should i not gather weapons?

      my personal knowledge says trade them in for farm tools

      and grow food to feed the children

      my ego says take hold of weapons and prepare to use them

      thus violating thou shall not kill law.

      there lies the choices.

      where do you stand?

      the only solution is world wide agreement

      on EVERY side to end weapons forever.

      our creator has provided all man kind food of the vine

      and freely grows it for the animals

      we can become better children

      search your heart and find the truth

      guns and god do not mix

      health care and guns are not even the same subject
      obama care is a govt scam to enslave everyone,no other reason
      doctors are for sick people
      guns are for sicker people
      where is the line drawn
      real men speak in a crisis to find solutions
      cowards make laws to confuse the subject
      Obama forgets his duties as a man

      and as a leader Obama is a failure

    • airspoon

      Not true, this article is just a ruse, counting on people not to read the third page, in which it states:
      “Beyond that, if you imagine that this obscure section of the Affordable Care Act is going to block the Administration from exercising whatever legal authority it may have to regulate guns in America, I’m afraid you will be quite disappointed.”

      This article is a perfect example of ‘yellow-journalism’, most likely to make people think that they are safe from any extra-Congressional effort to ban weapons. As pointed out at the very end of the very long article, this provision only keeps from the government from using the healthcare law in the ‘war on guns’. It does nothing to stop the President from doing what he wants to do.

      • OROBORUS

        Then this Article should not be on this site!!! who regulates this crap?? This is supposed to be a REAL TRUTH SITE!!!!!!! SO ONLY ARTICLES THAT HAVE ANY REAL VALIDITY SHOULD BE ON IT RIGHT! REAL FACTS NOT FLIP FLOPPING ARTICLES TO GET US ALL RILED UP!! PROVIDE REAL PROOF OF OBAMA AND HIS SUPPOSED DICTATORSHIP!! OR KEEP THE CRAP TO YOURSELVES! SO SICK OF THIS AND I AM FROM CANADA!!!

    • Dick

      Scam to make the drag queen of the century look good! He was losing his stance! Their should be a provision in there to get Obama off the pipe! Seriously look at him! :idea:

    • OROBORUS

      Hey America!! Make up your freakin minds! Is it going to be Civil War and Unrest or just our regular Zombiefied whining we are getting the shaft middle class crying all the way to our boring jobs lifestyle??? It seems to me it must be all the crap we consume making us so unhappy with ourselves we don’t want to lift a finger to fix the problems with the system we are being force fed???? I don’t believe in anything anymore! Just want to get off this useless planet!!!

      • Harry Nut

        That’s weak!

    • RAINSCRYPT

      haha!! wow, a lot of deception going on here.. but much more than meets the eye. absolutely intriguing article.. and title.. and implicating many.. i encourage anyone to dig into what is really going on here.

      • RAINSCRYPT

        in researching many articles, both msm and alternative, in particular, the original washington post story that broke, the anderson cooper cnn piece covering the story, the gun lobby reports and actions, the alternative response… talk about unmasking some shady dealing and corruption, cronyism run amok.. and coverup..
        a deal that helped not only secure the passing of obamacare, and kept people in the dark, but assisted in reelecting mr. reid..

    • YellowRoseTx51

      Interesting article. A Bill or Act is the top, codified law is only prima facie evidence of the Act/Bill, and doesn’t hold up when the two are in conflict it is the Act that takes precedence. The Act cant not be enforced if it conflicts with the Charter…At least that is SUPPOSED to be the way it worked.

      The 3 page of the article does a basic recant of all of it. Stating Obama can in fact do an Exec. Order and disregard his own BILL.

      Very sad state of things, when so many of the ‘top’ echelon are so utterly corrupt.

    • YOU

      Any laws or orders contrary to the constitution can not be laws anyways. The foundation over rules all. In the case mentioned, the executive order and the heath insurance paperwork are papers blowing around in the wind. The people are told to believe they are true and so, they seem true. When you surround a person with multiple sources of input, television, radio, peers, all telling them something similar, they will tend to believe it, even when it is false. This great nation, built upon a great founding document, still stands whether you choose to believe it or not.

    • ZombiePlanet

      Well lets see what we have here.

      And I quote the drone head that posted this nonsense.

      I detect… “a tidbit of information” (I love it)… “CNN” (a great truth outlet)… “Harry Reid buried” (missed that proceeding) … “Joe Biden” (Who ever that is?) …

      “Secret Provision Buried” (This stuff just gets better) … AND … “Obamacare” … (CARE for WHAT?)

      Since when has Obama (what ever his name) give a damn about anything within the founding laws of the united States of America?

      What idiot posted this carp?

    • Pharisees.org

      Well darn it we need to keep that Obamacare Law because it’s the only thing upholding the Second Amendment to the USC. How ridiculous, the Second Amendment can be shoot through with holes like swiss cheese but as long as a Harry Reid’s provision exists in Obamacare Law, well then the Second Amendment is safe and sound. If Obama can gut the 2nd Amendment with an executive order, then there is nothing to stop Obama from removing Reid’s provision from the law via an EO. Harry Reid, lol yeah like that greedy snake is not also for grabbing the guns! Just a false sense of security provided by traitor Reid, and the morons at Forbes want you all to feel safe and secure the 2nd amendment is untouchable, Harry Reid rescued the 2nd Amendment.

      • Pharisees.org

        Some people don’t get it? The editor’s note says he thinks Obama is forbidden to use an EO to regulate guns because of Harry Reid’s provision in ACA that states an EO cannot be used for same. Editor says: civil war over guns now off the table thanks to Reid’s provision in EO. That is a laughable claim because an Act can be overturned by Congress at any time; whereas the USC is the bedrock governing doctrine of the Nation. Therefore, if Obama can rip through the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution with an EO, then Obama most certainly can withdraw a provision in an Act via an EO.

        • Anonymous

          Thats a big IF

          The constitution is what legitimize the Federal Government in the first place. It gets its power from it. Thereof they cannot legally go above it. Of course that has not stop them in the past. Thus we have an illegitimate government.

          The moment the federal government stopped obeying the constitution the moment we stopped having a legitimate government.

        • Pharisees.org

          Exactly my point Anonymous. A freaking provision in an ACT able to act as a bulwark against gutting the 2nd Amendment via an EO is nonsense yet that is the proposition put forth by the editor of the news article. Apart from Reid’s provision, the USC itself has language that prevents gutting the 2nd amendment via an EO and if they ignore said language and proceed with an EO on gun control, they’ll ignore or strike Reid’s provision too.

          Obama is on record stating he wants a civilian army as well equipped as the US military and an EO to turn in semi-autos is a way to get that army equipped. When the economy collapses and the $1 trillion or so of student loan debt can’t be repaid, former President Bush’s law making student loans non-extinguishable through bankruptcy, comes into play for the Obama goons that want a powerful civilian army.

    • RAINSCRYPT

      once again it seems as though most people are incapable of comprehending what they are reading. no wonder this country is so screwed.

    • Anonymous

      The one gun control that gun owners need to be on the guard against is registration. But wait! say the critics. Don’t we register cars and trucks? No one minds that.

      But then, car registrations have NEVER been used to confiscate cars! Gun registration, on the other hand, has ALWAYS been used to confiscate firearms.

      Examples include, but are not limited to, Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Russia, Mao’s China and, more recently, the United Kingdom, South Africa, Rhodesia, Canada and Australia. All of these countries used gun registries to collect guns; and none used car registration to collect cars!

      Gun haters say that if gun control could save but “one life,” it would be worth it. Really?

      Using that same logic, if taking guns away from legal gun owners causes one life to be lost, then it’s not worth implementing it. NO ONE knows how many people successfully use firearms to deter or prevent violent crimes. Scaring off a rapist, holding a violent criminal for police or wounding him — none of these are counted in any statistics. So if anyone says you’re most likely to harm yourself (suicide and gun accidents), or a family member (including abusive spouses and those with restraining orders taken out on them), or acquaintances (including gang members and drug suppliers). Once one sees how statistics are gathered, they can see how misleading they can be.

      The one abiding and indisputable fact is that yes, people successfully use firearms to protect themselves. (One former burglar, now in the security field, decided the risk of being a burglar wasn’t worth it. What changed his mind was hearing a sound while being in a dark house where he thought he was alone. The sound was that of a .45 auto being cocked. “If I’d wanted to meet people,” he told me, “I would have been a mugger.” And with that, he said, he fled, leaving his large black plastic bag and his career as a burglar behind.)

      So the next time a New Yorker tells you that Americans don’t “need” guns, remind him that the entire country isn’t made out of cement; that there are miles of wilderness, with mountain lions, bears and other predators (including two-legged ones) out there, and there aren’t cops guarding your trails and camp sites.

    • Nam Marine

      And ?…………………………………………………………………….I’m waiting.

    • kdc0521

      Better put some gauze in that foot, talk about ironic, shooting oneself in the foot like that…

    • Gojiroiscoming

      Can someone explain what the words “a well regulated militia” means in the 2nd amendment? Does that not imply some sort of gun control?

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