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Pictures That Prove Double Amputee Was An Actor at Boston Bombings

Sunday, April 21, 2013 15:32
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Pictures that Prove Double Amputee was an Actor at Boston Bombings
Here are sequential pictures of how the double amputee veteran pulled off the “illusion” of having his legs blown off at the Boston Marathon Bombing.
All these folks that participated in this staged event need to come forward and come clean – otherwise they should be put in jail for treason – for aiding and abetting the “domestic” enemy!
Please check this out – and let EVERYONE know about this. So share far and wide!
This is the stuff they don’t want us to see. Please share this information with everyone you know.
(Warning, some of these pictures are gruesome at first glance. I assure you though that the blood and gore is all fake, I can prove it simply by informed medical observation.)

I’ve studied and graduated EMT-B certification with the state of Oregon. I’ve been on calls with heavy arterial bleeds, internal bleeding, fatalities, doa’s. I am speaking from direct personal experience with severe trauma.

Here is a telling photograph of the amputee actor. I encourage readers to view the photo side by side with my analysis.…42b556ee65.jpg

If you loose both your legs from explosive trauma half your blood is gone in one minute via the femoral arteries, youre dead after two. Bleeding out is worse with blunt force trauma (like shrapnel) because flesh is torn rather than cut, exposing more arterial and vascular tissue. The human body holds 5 to 6 LITERS of blood. If that really happened you would see blood EVERYWHERE, the guy would be drenched in it. You would also see what’s called arterial spurtting from the injury. Most likely he would vomit after turning ghost white from shock, then turning delirious or passing out. As for the “tourniquet”…

Its not even tied off, its suspended via gravity, which would literally do nothing to an arterial sever. There’s no pressure applied. There’s no knott with a turn stick for leverage. You can clearly see a gap in the nonexistent wrap job on his left inner thigh (left anterior proximal for you experts) His hands have no blood on them. There’s no blood on the ground. The color in his hands and lips shows good circulation.

This is an actor. This is staged. How did they pull it off though? I can show you.

Here in frame six on the left we see the the man with a hood setting up the fake leg wound prosthetics. His attention and hands are right there. The woman is acting as a shield covering what’s happening.
Frame 6

Here in frame eight the prosthetics are in place. Amidst all this chaos seconds after the explosion the hooded man takes the time to put on his sunglasses which is a signal.
Frame 8

Here in frame nine with sunglasses now on the hooded man and the woman make eye contact, signal received.
Frame 9 

In frame eleven after recieving the go signal the woman makes an open hand gesture the direction both of them are looking, signaling the staged injuries are in place for cameras. The prone amputee raises his left prosthetic injury into the air over the woman’s shoulder. No blood is present. The bone is dry, no blood on his leg above the knee, no blood on the woman, no arterial spurt, nothing.
Frame 11

Here in frame fourteen the woman turns her head right but is still holding up that open palm signal with her left hand. The hooded man again busies himself pouring fake blood on the pavement behind the woman. The amputee has both fake injuries in the air now. There is still no blood on his legs, his skin above the injury is clean and dry.
Frame 14

Frame twenty, the fake blood and prosthetics are in place. The amputee gives an open hand gesture along with the woman to bring the cameras in. We’re now twenty frames in and still not a drop of fresh blood from a double leg amputation. His legs are dry, the woman is dry and unscathed. Both are making the same hand gesture.
Frame 20

These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy. If your looking for a gunman look at the Army in the streets of Boston. Share this knowledge with everyone.


Something here is definitely very sinister. Maybe there were people hurt or killed – but apparently there were no ambulances, only black military-style vehicles.
Three people dead is easier to cover up if indeed there were no casualties. Others losing limbs is easy to create as you can see from above. So, it looks like our “shadow government” has been up to it again! These photos are very incriminating and prove that this was all staged. Please do your part and let’s get this out to everyone!

NESARA- Restore America – Galactic News


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  • Thanks for sharing your expertise! And those photos. I was wondering what happened to that woman while looking at a couple of other photos comparing with a video (I don’t remember which now). But it didn’t make sense that she was in the picture when there were no injuries closer to the building but she not in the picture when there were people helping some injured closer to the building. I am not explaining myself too well. Anyway, at 4Chan (link below), eighth picture from bottom looks like a guy in a wheelchair with someone sitting in his lap or something, so close can’t tell. Also, the ytube video posted below is amputee actors train soldiers for combat.

    Also, I was surprised that no one went to that guy’s aid immediately. He was up with his head off the concrete which I thought would bleed out faster. Yet, nobody was running to assist him, to make him lay back down or to cut off blood flow. He was just ignored while a guy with latex gloves was checking a woman who was laying down but not severely injured only a foot or so away. I didn’t know how long it would take to bleed to death, I figured just a few minutes. But I did notice no tourniquet, just a drape of a bandage. Thanks!!

    • Also, there are crisis actors. This video shows the work of crisis actors. At 11:33 there is a woman standing with her arm dangling, almost ripped off. Fake.

      • And are the three policemen interviewed shortly after Sandy Hook the same agents photoed at the marathon? My eyes are not as good as they used to be!

      • aboveknee… i don’t know if this pics are real or not yet, but they sure look suspicious, by the way… your burnt artery theory is contradicted by the lack of fire…

    • The link below is exceptionally revealing. A red-haired woman in a black jacket with red sleeves on the fire-engine red paint-soaked ground after the explosion is showed in the exactly same pose with two different sets of supposed victims.


    • Guy allegedly has both legs blown off??? and he can sit up in a wheel chair??? He would be writhing in agony on a stretcher at best (photo op) and the woman on the ground…her jacket shows no carbon burns what so ever. Notice her hair is not even messed, her hair would be burned and scorched to her scalp.

  • Very god work. The minute I saw that man with his legs like that I knew it was BS. The massive blood loss and trauma would send the mad unconscious and have massive shock. No way was he carted off like that. He would have died on the scene because those injuries need IMMEDIATE attention, like within minutes or he would die.

  • I love your analysis just wish you guys could spell. I before E except after C (received) is one…

    • -also, “prone” is used as if it means facing up. It doesn’t. It means facing down. Someone with an EMT certificate should know that. Facing up is “supine”. But apart from that, this is really insane. We really have gone down the rabbit hole. The US has gone over the cliff.

    • I before E except after C is no longer used. As it is flawd.





    • Here is a bigger layot –

      And as important let’s be clear WHO is behind all this, no it’s not ‘islams’ or any other bogeymen, WHO is behind all the false wars, false flags, 911, fed reserve, who owns media, controls homeland etc., zionists -

  • I don’t watch mainstream news but it has been a week so I thought I’d catch the BBC headlines. Not one mention of false flag or phony blood, official line only. Appalling.

  • And where are pieces of his legs? Feet? at least pieces like toes you think would be laying around. And he’s just laying there waiting patiently. Lol no going into shock? No screaming, crying? His face as he’s wheeled away is like…yea, this sucks” The cowboy pushing him looks more in shock & scared than him!!

    • That’s because the cowboy(Carlos) was not in on it.
      He had no idea wat was going on.

      • “That’s because the cowboy(Carlos) was not in on it.”

        Nice try, Francis.. or should I say, Carlos?

  • Here’s some evidence that the American public is finally waking up to these staged false flags:

  • Fianna

    There was a great comparison photo of the wheel chair man and a Army Vet Amputee who lost his limbs in the war.
    Didn’t Barry give the “GO AHEAD” a few months ago in a Top Secret meeting with DHS officials for them to set something like this up?? A whistle blower was talking about it but didn’t have deep details so most everyone blew it off…..hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  • Fianna

    Here’s the post I was referencing,maybe a little late to save his Presidency, but just in time to install his Dictatorship!


  • From another posting the victim/actor is Nick Vogt, a US Army vet who lost his legs in Middle East
    Someone needs to find and interview him
    Until an actor comes clean about involvement in these staged events the truth will never be known and the authorities that set these up will continue to deceive us

  • Paul Gilbert

    prosthetics are in place wtf the woman make eye contact, signal received.
    are you all got a IQ of a 2 year old for thinking a bomb as gone off cctv all over and you think all actors are there putting blood here blood there and putting fake legs here and there :grin:

    • LOL. Your idiot paid posts need help. Look at your bs, it’s not even readable much less convincing. Man up and get a real job, traitor.

      • If its not readable or convincing… why do you think he is paid? You seem to throw around that accusation alot

    • I’ll have a word with the supervisors, he needs sacking, his grammar is of a ‘gene missing’ variety and his use of words would be insulting to a two year old if I likened them to toddlers. He’s no bloody troll/shrill, just some plum who can’t read or write correctly. Shame, I was reading in the hope of a good non believer proof,because just on the pics above, you’d have to have a very good story for saying it’s a bomb. My personnel favourite bit of evidence is the window blowing out wards as apposed to inwards, as the bomb was outside. It’s these schoolboy errors that get me worried, I don’t understand why they make such glaring mistakes.

  • Are these supposed to be frames pulled from a video? Because if so…. this would have all had to have taken place in less than a second. Video plays 24 frames every second.

    • No, don’t you know that the government has a secret army of superheroes called “The Injustice League”?

  • The single most telling frame is the last, where these supposed EMTs are helping others, but not mister no-legs, and also, notice the looks on the fake-injured, some can’t hold their ‘scared’ faces, one guy’s actually nearly smiling.

    Bogus bogus bogus.

    • It must be Robbie Parker again. That’s his speciality…

    • It’s hard not to smile when you’re getting paid so much.

  • What I write is all speculation but….I didn’t know EMT workers wear Dark sunglasses, just like 5 of the men in the immediate blast area in all the photos had sunglasses, and also are wearing windbreakers. Also in the wheelchair photo the EMT guy behind the Cowboy hat guy looks more military then he does EMT. Maybe he is just a Muscle buffed, full bearded, dark sunglasses kinda guy, i don’t know but he looks more like he belongs in a cod video game.

    • Guy could be former military with medic training now an EMT. EMTs come in many shapes, sizes, uniforms. You should know this. He could come from any one of the many divisions that wer there that day to help lend support for the event. Also, you can’t get rid of regulation attire after serving. It’s tough to deprogram. Eye pro, man, eye pro!

  • Not saying whether these are real or faked. They do seem a bit sketchy. I’m a retired police officer and I have to say most people are screaming and freaking out with injuries of this nature, but I have seen some who somehow remain totally coherent and focused. I would also like to point out that the primary femoral artery does not extend past the knee. So the reference to bleeding out from the artery is not relevant. I would think a certified EMT would know that. But see for yourself here:

    Illustration to the right on the page shows the major vessels of the leg. Below the knee tends to have far smaller passages and if you do a search for “IED injuries” on BING, you’ll see that a lot of these bizarre injuries do NOT squirt a lot of blood. The body has an odd tendency to clog off on its own to prevent death.

    That said, I’m a little perplexed at why the skin on the left leg looks as if it’s shrink-wrapped around the protruding bone. I’ve never seen anything like that. Most are flayed open like freaking hamburger meat, even if they’re not bleeding profusely. It’s hard to tell how much of the material beneath him in the chair is actually “him” or ripped clothing.

    This is a well written and definitely perplexing article and set of images.

    Did anyone notice in frame 11 the woman at bottom center in black sweater standing? She appears to be photographing them, though camera is not entirely visible. Wonder what happened to her images if she did in fact have a camera?

  • I know Jeff and he definitely has less legs now. He worked with my wife.

    • Man, I am so sorry they are stooping so low as to call your friend, and the many others injured, fakers and actors. I don’t know what part of traumatized they don’t get. Everyone reacts differently, and frankly, your friend’s utter shock and disbelief probably saved life. I’ve been following Sr.’s page and hoping the best for his family.

      If I were you, I would report this article to local courts for libel, man. There is free speech and there is false, unfounded accusations.

      • So, I started posting copies of the lies being told so we, the people, can stop the bullying. Imagine that. The little stinker that started the lies DROPPED HIS PAGE.


        Shows you all it is a bunch of lies. Shame on you all for reposting such hurtful misinformation.

      • I, too think the Army vet should sue the crap out of the traitorous freak who insinuated he played a “role” in these bombings. Shame, shame shame.

    • Sorry to hear that! My coworker was the guy with “the sunglasses and hoodie” they claimed was “in on it” as an actor because he was making eye contact with the woman next to him. He’s still having shrapnel cleaned from his legs 4 surgeries later. My heart goes out to Jeff – I hope his recovery process is going well and he’s in good spirits.

      • Live Free or Die

        Hi Truth Is, I’m an editor at Beforeitsnews. Could you please leave contact information for your friend below; we’d love to have a chance to interview him ASAP. Thanks

      • Live Free or Die

        You can email it to; we will keep his contact info confidential. Thanks so much. Peace!

      • youre an editor here?

        well that helps explain part of the stupidity of this site anyway.

      • I’m not sure how comfortable he is speaking in public right now, as he’s been in and out of surgery a lot. But you can certainly visit the website we set up for his relief efforts. Beyond a place to contribute to his recovery fund, there are updates on his progress and a place to reach out to him:

      • i find all of this so completely disrespectful! i feel so bad that people had to go through such horror and then we have people here with too much time and their hands and possible mental illness completely downplaying their experience…. :sad:

  • There is a medical professional beside me and she says there is much room for questioning in the amount of blood on the ground. The right leg has a trauma high enough for the large artery to be hit. Yet there is a chance that is was low enough that the artery may have been reduced enough to have been cauterized.
    When an appendage is cut of after the joint the remaining bone “curls” inward toward the body. In the natural direction. So in the first picture it could be in that position. Then upon realizing the injury he straightened it out and it caught between the “hooded” and the girl. In the process wiping blood off on the girls hair. the blood on the bone reappears in the following snap. There is what appears to be flesh hanging from the wounds in the first picture of him in the wheelchair.
    Plausible that this injury is real.

    The bomb was in a black backpack and the kids did not have black backpacks. Even if they were close there is a picture of him leaving with his backpack. FYI that you already knew.

  • this is the guy – if you’re claims are true about it being fake, research his past and find photos of him before the attack with no legs – and get the photos and take them to the world
    Jeff Bauman jr

    • BIN is redirecting your link to google. Why is that?

      • So, you do not see that it is a google link? Why is that?

    • I did see it is a google link but this link should take you to the pictures, not the google home page. Nice try fool

  • I am emailing this post to my 30+year Trauma surgeon and friend to get his input.
    He’s was also a combat doctor..
    I’ll post what he thinks as soon as I get it..

    I highly doubt they used actors..

    They would rather simply kill the people.
    It is easier and they do not care.

  • Looks fake to me … what killed the three that lost their lives?

    • How do you know that the 3 where not the targets and the bombing was not just a cover?

  • It looks to me like the woman on the ground is actually installing the legs. Mr Hoodie sunglasses man is shielding her and assisting to make sure the prophetics get installed correctly.
    Take a look at the blood on the bricks. It’s two different colors! Looks like the director decided there wasn’t enough paint on the ground so he added some more, only the second can was orange.
    You can clearly see orange splattered over red and the red is more dry.

  • take a look at this video and when the explosion comes up, play the boston bombing explosion. It looks and sounds the same.
    585 gram flash powder bomb explosion
    Boston Bombing

  • @nesara….. photo op? try photo shop. you’re either an idiot or a liar or both. whatever the case, pushing an agenda through the exploitation of a horrific and catastrophic event is beyond shameful and disgusting. you make me sick. actors? the only actor here is you, bent on deceiving the people. i see that you manage to fool some.. but you will never fool all.
    and some may wonder what, exactly, the agenda is that i refer to. you don’t merely try to obfuscate the truth. you seek to obliterate it.
    some who read my comment here might be confused by what i’m saying. but i know that you know exactly what i’m talking about.
    to jeff baumann jr., the other injured, the maimed, and the murdered, and the family members.. my thoughts, sympathy and respect go out to you.


      This link is where the b.s. begins, and it WILL end. I have a bunch of people trying to figure out WHO this ridiculous 28 yr old pos is that posted such garbage. Charges need to be brought against him and everyone reposting the lies.

      • It can be very hard to “imagine” how, why something like this would be faked or set up. You should start with something easier, like 9/11. Check out any of the 9/11 truth documentaries, it will take maybe 15 minutes of your time. When you’ve wrapped your brain around that, you can come back and play. Virtually everything being written in major news articles, parroted in major television stations is straight up LIES, controlled from the top to fuel the NWO agenda.

        Go ahead take the red pill.

      • Domain linked here is for sale??

  • @ Tomcat415 – Hey scumbag – we see you – hows the weather in the land of the baby killing girlyman ‘soldiers’ today ????

    • Paul Gilbert

      hide behind the name Anonymous I don’t and why say scumbag please check my posts when the bombs went off in boston I was one of the first to criticise you lot why because when the bombs went off all you talked about was white flag conspiracy not one person bothered about the people dead or dying well I did so am a scumbag for English person caring for Americans
      and lets get this straight the person that lost both legs is that soldier that lost both legs well he did lose lost them at the HIPS you know what hips are ? well unless they gave him a pill to grow stumps because in the photo he was left with stumps so your a scumbag again
      look and see don’t follow the crowd and jump in

      • Tomcat. Please. I have read your two comments, and I know that this will come as a bit of a shock to you, almost as traumatic as having your legs blown off, but you are not English. The English write far worse English than you do. You write bad English too, but it is bad foreign English. There is a BIG difference. You are just pretending to be someone you are not !
        I have looked at some of the video which is available. An Aussie guy has pointed out on YT that there are different people at different times, in the area where the bomb (s) are supposed to have gone off; ie staged photos were intercalated with possibly real pictures. In one of them, the double amputee is present, and then, all of a sudden, he is nowhere to be seen. Very Odd. Also, the “bomb” clearly went off in the street, but the shop window glass where this happened is in the street, not blown into the shop. So it was spread there by “persons unknown”. The flags in the region where this dreadful event happened were not shredded, they merely waved in the wind for a moment or two. This was not a “proper” explosion, it was a “flash-bang” Hollywood style explosion. All the smoke goes up into the air, very little travels away at ground level, so it is very hard to see how it could have blown anyone’s legs off; unless they had already been blown off in Afghanistan.
        This whole thing is a joke, but one in very poor taste, and very poorly executed.

      • Paul Gilbert

        HereAmI well I would like to point out am English born and breed in England
        you have your point and I respect that and I have too its called a debate I would say is that the bomb went off there is cctv cams all over and 180 witnesses between the bomb going off and people helping is 5-10 sec no time to put makup on change clothes and put in place any leg parts
        double amputee is present, and then, all of a sudden, he is nowhere to be seen well that is true the only thing I do see with my own eyes which I only put down to the way the photo was taken
        with the glass that was one thing I saw at the very first photos seen it should have been blown in not out unless the bomb was placed in the shop or the glass above dropped from window above but not checked that ,
        you say the bomb went off in the street but shown on vid it did not again you are right the glass would have blown it the shop

  • here is Jeff Bauman Jr’s facebook page:

    and here is another page telling you about the his family, job and background history:

    from these links you can see that it seems like a REAL injury.. (AND NOT FAKE).

    it even says he worls at costco (behind the Deli counter).
    anyone could go there and ask he was a former staff member.
    this is EASY to investigate. so I doubt its a lie.

    Maybe go easy on this guy. He has lost his legs.

    Aim your efforts into the actual suspicious activities that happened during the day.. and the possible set-up of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

    • So this supposed Facebook page shows a “join” date of 12-28-2007. Dozens of Added Friends in the next two years and not one bit of other activity on this Facebook page. Then suddenly around Christmastime of 2012 he gets an itch to add a couple of new photos. Take a look at the phenomenal lack of activity on this page; this is not a guy who really uses Facebook. The existence of a Facebook page means nothing.

      And these photos on Facebook don’t even look like the same person in the photos at the bomb site. How did his hair go from black – to brownish red – to black again in the hospital room?

      This guy is suddenly the face of American heroism and the only hospital visit we hear about comes from some badly photoshopped image in some place like a hospital room? I guess Julian Edelman chatted with somebody in a hospital, but don’t know who.

  • Interesting how the wounded warrior Nick Vogt has no photos of himself on his facebook page. Incognito much?

  • Woow check his fb he has pictures from may 19th 2012without legs he actuactually lost his legs in Afghanistan now he is faking it

  • Why would the chap take time to put on sunglasses ? ? – Compare with this

    massive discrepancies.

  • OMG you guys are so STUPID!! I do believe that this was a false flag attack Obviously but why would they care about the people who die from those attacks, I mean three people died were they staged too??? The explosion was real it would be a wonder if no one got died from it !! This guy Jeff Bauman lost his legs in an explosion which burned his skin that’s why he didn’t bleed to death, and its not the same thing like for example a car accident! I know that because so many people lost there legs in Afghanistan from hidden mines many of them are still alive even though they didn’t had the fast mediation!! I guess most of you think 9/11 was an inside job and so do I but do you seriously believe they cared about those 2,996 announced people who died from it, No they didn’t!! You guys should spend you researching time one finding some things that makes sense! Sorry about my poor English skills I’m from Germany but I made my point you guys are stupid!!

  • Ohh yeaaah the sunglasses he thought its cool to wear them. what would you do when you had sunglasses in your hand and a bomb just explodes in frond of your face and the air is full of smoke and dust, save at least my eyes right, because I can !!

  • This is the most ridiculous and downright disrespectful article I’ve seen – to date – regarding the Boston bombings. People lost their lives, their loved ones, their limbs and quality of life; yet here you are with your blurry stills that prove ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than what you’re trying to make people see?
    Have some respect for those suffering at the hands of two stupid little boys and keep your ridiculous conspiracy theories to yourself.

    And for those of you asking for photos of blood and feet and other “proof”… here.

  • Come on! What come with a blast like that? FIRE! You can have your legs blown off and fire can also burn the arterys shut again. These pics are real!

  • Ohh yeah the sunglasses he thought its cool to wear them. Seriously. What would you do if you had sunglasses in your hand because you thought an hour ago “what a beautiful day” when suddenly a bomb explodes right in front of your face and the whole air is full of smoke, sand and dust? Maybe. “Have my glasses in the hand gonna save my eyes at least??!!”

  • Are you kidding me? I am a amputee and I am telling you, when a blast like that goes off it can blow your legs off, at the same time the heat and flame can burn your arterys shut, and help prevent bleeding? the hooded guy pours blood on the ground? are you kidding me? come on! this guy got hurt and bad, and what makes me sick is anyone who wrote this article claiming to be a trama doc, and saying stupid things like they did, and whats worse is people beleaving this BULL CRA* STORY!

    • Cmon, That kind of heat would have trousers and skin fused together. We don’t see that We see skin as thick as naugahyde and looking very much like a fake device. Why on earth is he resting his stumps on that other lady” shoulders if not for support while she and Mr Hoodie are attaching them?
      She doesn’t even have any blood on her until later.

  • Hard to bellieve people can’t see the lies. I don’t even talk about things like this with my family. They are typical of considering me an outcast when I question things. I am mocked and made fun of. The truth is right in front of us everyday and some still don’t want to look at it. Anyway for those that have trouble with the above photos, take a better look. The guy without legs should be in shock to the point of loosing consciousness. The other people laying on the ground next to him, particularly the women with long hair look to good to be victims of an explosion in close vecinity. If legs were blown off shouldn’t hair have burned and singed to the scalp. The list goes on. Not even a mark on the face. My only question is why ???

    “You can fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.” Abe Lincoln

  • man, that soldier Voigt doesn’t look like Bauman at all. Not at all. I’m not denying the fact that actors could’ve been used but to say that this is the same guy, you need to sharpen you senses. Seriously, Voigt has eyes that look almost asian. Bauman doesn’t. Not the same eyes, the same nose. Not the same face. The only person that looks the same is Dawn or Donna, that was the Sandy Hook director and supposedly at the marathon. It’s always the same, these actors theories are always so wrong about who looks like who.

  • g

    Why is he continuously holding his right thigh. His other leg is also blown off. Could it be it was loose.

  • Check this out!!! Amputees in Action – bringing dramatic realism to army exercises :evil:

  • Anybody who takes a look at these pix and still believes this is a real trauma scene….is a paid disinfo shill….fecken ridiculous….especially the last pic of Mr.legless rolling around… :eek:

  • You are seriously delusional,you realise that sequence of photos is merely seconds,love to hear your warped explanation for how all that took place in such a tiny space of time!! You need medical assistance,hope to whatever GOD there may be you or your family are never caught up in such an attack.Stupid human being,

  • You are sick and un-American to propose such a preposterous theory. Please keep your paranoia off BIN and everywhere else. There is no reason for anyone to stage such a horrendous event with actors. You, sir, have showed your stupidity.

  • Why would “they” use actors AND kill people? If this was the work of some “shadow government”, why wouldn’t they just kill and maim without involving double-amputee actors? I mean, if they’re truly evil, wouldn’t it be easier just to lose some citizens instead of risking you going all Hardy-boys on their butts?

    Weren’t you also saying that Newtown was the work of the “shadow government”, with actors portraying grieving parents and witnesses? Where is the government getting all of these actors? The United States Julliard Corps?

    I don’t know you, so you can take or leave this, but you seem like you put two scoops of crazy in your coffee before coming up with this.

  • Do you all realize that you’re watching one of the victims die on all of these still shots right? The woman on the bottom right in the blue shirt is Krystle Campbell. But obviously her death is a fake too right? Idiots.

  • Pix

    It’s easy to see it’s fake. If it was real there would be blood splattered over everything and everyone. Instead there is a neat little pool of what looks like red paint on the ground. None on anyones faces or clothing.

    The image that blows it out of the water is the guy in the wheel chair. It’s pure theater, they would have used a stretcher and his face would show shocked horror and agony. Instead he looks like he’s enjoying his wheel chair joy ride with hardly a care in the world.

    • Pix

      The guy with the amputated legs would not have been transported by a wheel chair but flat on his back on a stretcher with legs raised to prevent blood loss. There is no way they would have him sitting upright with legs dangling.

  • Please feel free to explain that to my coworker who is still having shrapnel cleaned from his legs. He was the hooded man in sunglasses you claimed was in cahoots with the woman because they were making eye contact (imagine that! eye contact after being blown into someone!).

    Also, Jeff, the double amputee you claim was a fake – yeah, he’s a real victim. Without shins (seriously, educate yourself on battlefield wounds). Shame on you.

    • Paul Gilbert

      Truth Is hope your co-worker gets better from this horror that happened

  • apg

    One of the reasons so many f’d up things are happening in the USA is due to ignorant low intelligence people, such as the author of this article. You see only want to see, and not what is actually happening in the picture.

    This is one of the reasons why guns need to be taken away from most of you, cause you’re too stupid to own guns.

    A national tragedy happens within your borders and instead of paying your condolences you make up these sad pathetic stories of how this could not possible be true.

    The real reason your guns will be taken away, is cause idiots like you are the plague upon mankind, you are at a level of stupidity that is completely unmatched elsewhere in the world.

  • apg

    One of the reasons so many f’d up things are happening in the USA is due to ignorant low intelligence people, such as the author of this article. You see only what you want to see, and not what is actually happening in the picture.

    This is one of the reasons why guns need to be taken away from most of you, cause you’re too stupid to own guns.

    A national tragedy happens within your borders and instead of paying your condolences you make up these sad pathetic stories of how this could not possible be true.

    The real reason your guns will be taken away, is cause idiots like you are the plague upon mankind, you are at a level of stupidity that is completely unmatched elsewhere in the world.

    • @apg You’re so stupid you posted the same thing twice!

  • Check out Frame 11. What is the guy on the lower left wearing the green and black hoodie pulling out from under his shirt??? Then in Frames 14 and 20, there is nothing there?? Can anyone make out that object?

  • rfc

    folks, I don’t think it’s a lie this guy was injured.

    link to his fundraiser:

    link to his facebook account:

    in the pictures he shares with “non-friends” he looks a bit different but that’s him. he’s a friend of the girl that created the fundraiser which has almost reached up to 637 k…

    unfortunately he was a victim of this terrible incident………

  • in the lst pic, old fake legs is hangin out chillin lol

  • i think its pretty easy to verify it the amputee is indeed an actor or not..
    why don’t they check his medical records to know when he lost his legs..

  • This is almost certainly actors. Just take a little time, and think/ look about the black bitch and the dark glasses hoody. She has white thing round her neck, he is facing the chest height where guy with no legs has his leg over her shoulder. OK just had your legs blown to bits and shredded, Femoral artery and other main arterial supplies completely exposed, where’s the BLOOD people, they two should be completely covered, but no, still showing a nice white scarf round her neck. Also this blown off legs guy would not be conscious after about 2 to 30 seconds, as his blood lose would be so great it would cause his blood pleasure to drop dramatically almost instantly. The you got shock, and within about 1 to 2.5 minutes he would have been dead, without immediate trauma intervention, now that is almost a fact! So in conclusion this scene must be a fake.

    • Paul Gilbert

      Anonymous seem you are a doctor on the Femoral artery and then saying about the black bitch
      would seem your racist too

  • their gonna say you have to believe the internet then they can put out any lie you want, so. stop believeing the internet yo8u morons.

  • What a crock. If only you were there. Then you might actually know the truth.

  • where is the blood trail underneath the wheel chair??

    • Paul Gilbert

      its called a tourniquet JWOOD :roll:

  • OK, this is a good idea in theory, but if you look at all those frames in the real-time that it all happened, it was literally SECONDS and any subsequent hand gestures are irrelevant and coincidental!

    I am big on conspiracy and think that many of the things we see in the news are barely believable but this particular take on things is hard to grasp if you have watched the real-time of this, which someone must be able to find – try here:

    There is clearly a lot of blood on the floor, the blood is the mans blood, he lost a LOT! He does have a tourniquet/belt whatever on his upper leg in the wheel chair photo, where do you expect them to tie it, under the knee at the meat? No.

    He’s in shock, but sitting, the body has a way of switching off your senses in traumatic event. He was just lucky he made it to the hospital and didn’t die. I’m sure there were close calls.

    There’s little blood on that one frame on his bone, but as soon as you see the blood on the leg in the chair, its called gravity.

    As for where are his feet/legs, well, if you look around the internet one of his feet is actually right next to that woman at the front in red.

    Actually, here you go:

    Sometimes a bomb is just a bomb, not a conspiracy. I find the dudes in black and khaki pants conspiracy for this event to be more or a problem than the victims that got in the way…

  • Paul Gilbert

    Heartbreak as police ‘find body of missing college student FALSELY accused of being the Boston Marathon bomber by internet ‘sleuths’
    ‘Body of Sunil Tripathi’ discovered in the Providence River in Boston
    Brown University student, 22, has been missing since middle of March

    Was wrongly identified on social media as a suspect in terror killings

    The user, identified only by his screen name of ‘Oops777′ said that it was a mistake to do so, and is now facing a massive backlash following their incorrect accusations.


  • ICanSeeYou

    When I first saw on the news a photo of the guy in the wheelchair, the first thought that came to mind was makeup, looks like zombie makeup.

  • Amazing that guy with the hood and sunglasses on…everyone elsehad their clothes suspicialy ripped to shreds ..he remains fresh as a daisy…sun glasses still in place

    amazing how he was never drenched with artirial bllod from the major veins of the guy who supposed to have lost his legs

    strap-on mangled legs is the new fetish….

    • Maybe you should look at more photos of the incident. He was injured and badly. Lots of shrapnel and still trying to help others. A truly decent human being. Try being one yourself

  • “Shadow Government..?” Are you people retarded? The man in the wheelchair definitely had two working legs before the explosion. His name is JEFF BAUMAN – He was NOT acting, and the loss of his legs will have a serious affect on the rest of his life.

    There are plenty of eye witnesses who knew him before the accident who would deny these claims made in the blog. There is plenty of evidence online and in the real world to deny these claims, and I think you all should think about the true motives behind these kinds of posts before you commit to believing them.

    As much as you would like to point fingers at “the shadow government,” I’m sorry, but that is insane. Of course we would all LOVE to blame the government for the world’s problems, but the reality is that humanity is to blame – that includes all of us in one way or another. This conspiracy is an INSULT to those who lost loved ones in the attack and whose lives will never be the same.

    • I agree that the TRUE true motives of certain posters on this site should be examined but every time I comment on it, they REMOVE my post. Now who’s fooling who? Hope you get to read this before they delete it

  • I just want to point out that although this is a very thorough and convincing argument for this guy being an actor it is not true. My cousin knows him personally and has shown me that he was not an amputee before the bombings. <- this is him before the race. same shirt and everything.

    I too have a distrust for our government but we cant just rush to conclusions and make up assumptions because than we are as bad as them. Im not saying there might not have been actors there to make it worse. But i know this and many other people who were injured were not actors. My aunt was called in to Boston hospital to help out with the mass influx of injured people after everything happened and saw 1st the horrible wounds people had

    • Oh please why is he holding that sign in such a way to prevent his legs from being seen clearly? The part of his legs that can be seen look like prosthetics.

  • Here is something to keep in mind.

    Western governments are masterminds at controlling their populace, they have been getting better at it since the Victorian era. The chaos that is being reported on a day to day basis is increasing, their methods are becoming more extreme. People believe that they have made these “mistakes” by some sort of accident, but they know everyone in western society has a camera of some form.

    By injecting Dis-information into all forms of media, things like this get picked up. For the mass media to mention “False Flag” in their reports is even more worrying. Never forget the agenda of these insane satanists. They want complete control, their New World Order.

    Order comes from chaos, so why not let the citizens create the very chaos they seek, so that they can achieve their goals.

  • The first time I saw the picture, my gut instinct told me that it was fake, or photoshopped, but definitely not a real picture of a man who had just had his legs blown off. No pain, no blood on his hands, in a wheelchair. I wish that people weren’t so stupid as to believe that this was not a false flag. I mean, how convenient that Sandy Hook actors, I mean families just happened to be there? With all the posts and the plethora of news articles, how much evidence do you need to believe that this was a staged event. And what about Waco????? I have only seen two articles on this one. What is more important? Boston or Waco? How many killed in Boston? How many killed and injured in Waco? The math just doesn’t add up. I guess they used all their resources to lock down the city, they had no more employees to investigate down in Texas. So sad that the general american dumb slug of a person is so lazy that they cannot open their eyes to the truth, and they are so putrified by chemtrails and GMO’s that their cognitive minds no longer function. Looks like FEMA camps will be presented as a holiday destination and you dumb idiots will buy a time share there. PS, good work to the people who are awake, and who can acknowlege this evil, but I am just speaking to the morons who blindly believe that this was the work of a 19 year old boy and his big brother.

    • “Who is the most injured in the last picture above? The double amputee guy is, of course. So why are there people assisting others, some with no visible injuries? ”

      You are EXACTLY right. In a real emergency the most critically injured get the most immediate assistance.

  • Who is the most injured in the last picture above? The double amputee guy is, of course. So why are there people assisting others, some with no visible injuries? The reason is that they needed to show the whole picture to make the biggest impact on the viewer. The puddle of “blood” is the center, attention grabber in the picture so when someone views this they see the blood first and then trace their way to where it came from and then the mind does some crazy things such as try to convince the brain that it isn’t actually seeing what it is seeing- a defense mechanism that prevents us from too great a shock. When the eyes convince the brain that this is what is left of the man’s legs, most people would quickly turn away or just hit back button. Most wouldn’t scrutinize this photo to see that something isn’t right. But if one does, they find many things “not right” just like the Sandy Hook school shooting.

  • I’m disgusted that you would take these pictures and try to piece together a ridiculous story like that. From what I can tell, your only “evidence” for the boston bombing being fake is that a person is leaning over a guy who just got his legs blown off, TRYING TO HELP HIM. How in the world you convinced people that it was fake using that logic is beyond me.
    It makes me sick that someone just got his legs blown off and will now live that way for the rest of his life, and all you care about is trying to create a government conspiracy theory calling him an actor that betrayed his country.

    People like you are the reason terrorists like this exist.

    • I am all for a conspiracy theory… yes, 9/11 was an inside job… but THIS! You people are really sick! I can’t believe I looked at those freeze frame pics. And then you go and slander that Nick Vogt guys name? They don’t even look alike! The same people who are saying this was staged, were probably the same people accusing Sunil Tripathi, who might’ve been found dead today! How can you just spread false information like this?! I hope you get sued for defamation of character.

  • i would love to know what you think of the bomb that was thrown at cops during the stand off after the bombing what is your explanation for that?

  • I’m one that will generally believe attacks like this are false flag attacks, but this article is moronic.

    Why would anyone use a pretend bomb and actors, when they can just use a real bomb??
    Using actors would be the stupidest idea, as unless you then kill them afterwards, they could always help others put the picture together. If you are planning on killing actors afterwards, why not kill them now, it would be easier and more effective as a mock terror attack.

    I hope I never need a doctor in Oregon!

  • What a joke..The goverment is desperate for WAR!

    There will be no more WARS!

  • Excuse my choice of word, but you guys are a bunch of retards. Bradley Cooper and Julian Edelman (WR for the NEw England NE Patriots) Just visited the man (who lost his legs) in the hospital WITH a picture taken. Shame on all you for believing this load of crap.

  • If you search Google images there’s barely any pictures of this guy. I found one and his face had been blurred out, probably due to his face been at most disasters this century.

  • The “medical analysis” of the so-called EMT is complete bull****. Unlike the completely uninformed person who wrote this, I am an actual medical professional and can tell this man is in significant distress. He is literally white as a ghost. If a patient came to me that white without any immediate evidence of blood loss, my butt would be sued on the spot for not automatically assuming he was losing a massive amount of blood somewhere until proven otherwise. Come on people, the end of his tibia of his right leg is staring you right in the face. People have traumatic double amputations and, in the presence of competent medical attention as this man had (he is being attended by a physician and an **actual** EMT), will survive. People’s aortas spontaneously rupture in their own bodies and some of them survive. You are a complete nutjob with a 100% detachment of reality to look at his survival as evidence of a massive government coverup. For all of you who believe this completely uninformed, unsubstantiated conspiracy nonsense, do us all a favor and rip up your voter registration card right now, because you do not possess the critical thinking skills or education to make decisions about the country I live in.

    Furthermore, you should all be ashamed for coldly and shamelessly analyzing frame by frame a horrific event in this innocent man’s life which has changed him forever. I am ashamed myself for having to read this but I could not let this go and not reply. This man has been through mental and physical agony but the author of this article assures us that his analysis is not gruesome or inappropriate as it is obvious it is all a setup. Let me assure you: his pain is real and you are a BAD person for trying to invalidate it as your own sick coping mechanism.

    (I will not be reading any replies to this message) Peace.

    • Paul Gilbert

      adsfjaldskfjsdkl someone with a IQ at last

    • oh I hope you read this! thank you thank you thank you for writing this comment! It is disgusting and and shameful. I was running that day and I can assure you it was real. very real. the person who wrote this, who cannot spell, should leave this country-or at the very least like you suggested never vote in this country again. it is disgusting!

  • Caption for Mr. Leggless in last photo could read..” must keep a straight face..must keep a straight face..must keep a straight face…think of the pay..(I feel like an idiot)…just a bit longer…just a bit longer…hope this looks ok…this will soon be over..think of the pay..must keep a straight face…”

  • surely someone would recognise and expose him (unless his face is prosthetic, too).

  • ck

    this is total hogwash; i lost the end of my finger last year, it was 20 minutes before the first drop of blood hit the ground… and guess what? it was fire engine red…
    as a trauma survivor, i know that one of the hardest parts of rehabilitation is reintegration with one’s social setting(being able to present oneself as a whole person to one’s peers, if you wish), and people who try to deny or mock what trauma survivors have been through for their own amusement or for dramatic purposes are the lowest of the low. by forwarding this unwarranted drama, it makes recovery more difficult for bauman, but also serves to reinjure to mr vogt.

    the conspirators hatched a plot,
    wanting to reveal they did not…
    so the theorists were fed,
    down the path they were led,
    distracted is all that they got…
    find waldo folks :idea:

    • B.S. I’ve lost a finger. I’ve also served in battle with fellow soldiers who suffered lost limbs during engagements. I’ve also been a heavy equipment operator at a large mining operation and have been involved with fellow employees who’ve lost limbs in industrial accidents. Including horrific fatal automobile accidents where a number of occupants sustained severe injuries. In every instance the immediate blood loss was instant and when arterial blood flow is achieved the blood flow is only stemmed when a tourniquet is applied or when the muscle starts to swell it restricts blood flow but does not eliminate it.

      Mr. Bauman’s ‘tourniquet’ and lack of blood trail or almost bloodless helpers convinces me that we have a government sponsored False Flag here. All you have to do is ask. 1) “What is the agenda?”. 2) “Who benefits?”. 3) “Who has the means to accomplish these false flags?”. 4) “How far up the food chain does these false flags go?”

      Do not concentrate on the stupids, concentrate on the facts.

      • the fact that people are arguing that this wheel chair person may not be an actor.. does not mean that they discount the possibility of this being a false flag.

        you say..
        All you have to do is ask. 1) “What is the agenda?”. 2) “Who benefits?”. 3) “Who has the means to accomplish these false flags?”. 4) “How far up the food chain does these false flags go?”

        none of that proves hes an actor.

        your experience with so much similar trauma just means youre bad luck to be around, not that hes an actor.

        do not concentrate on the stupids..
        how do you know for sure this actor business wasnt first dreams up by the people who initiated the false flag.. to stop you looking at the facts? ( whatever they may be )

        one fact for sure.. this is not the afghan vet amputee vogt or whatever.. so that part of this story is already busted..

        another fact.. theres no proof.. that he is an actor, .. show me proof… that he had no legs prior, and ill believe you.

  • Long debunked

  • Where are his real legs hiding? Up is butt or something?

  • This dude just got his legs blown off? Ignoring the fact that he should’ve turned gray from blood loss and died within 3 minutes – both of his limbs are pointed in the face of the guy and the woman he’s on top of; there isn’t a drop of blood on them. They’re in the line of fire of arterial spray. Not a drop. The stump is pointed at that dudes face; nothing.

  • The first picture is the smoking gun. In between glasses guy and missing legs guy is the black lady. She’s hard to see because of the smoke. She’s in the direct line of fire of the guy whose legs have just been blown off. She’s wearing a pristine white shirt. There’s no blood on the ground behind them. So somehow both of these people missed being covered in the arterial spray that made the mess in the final picture while standing directly in the line of fire?

  • Boston is staged event, How do I know? I was injured in an explosion 10/01/88 and I took the full blast and it was just a SUV defective tire while repairing it. The injured folks are full of it actors who should be arrested. The concussion from any explosion would cause tissue damage and severe swelling that takes weeks to go down and vascular damage. Them giving interviews after a week is BS. No medicine or procedure can stop the swelling only time. Also when the swelling in damaging the blood vessels in a humans arms or legs, the appendage is usually cut open until the swelling goes down then the wound is resealed using skin graphs. A blast capable of removing limbs would have a great deal of concussion, and none of the video or pictures show this effect. All together I would guess 4 to 6 weeks before anyone near this alledged bomb could be giving interviews. ALL FAKE!!!

  • I have a great idea for everyone who thinks the events were staged and actors were used. If every person who thinks this is a false flag signed up to be an actor through these casting agencies and via FEMA’s own program, someone, at least one person, would be picked for the next false flag operation and would blow the whole thing wide open. Simple. You could do it. If it was faked of course. Could you all please consider the sheer number of people that needed to be involved to pull of something like this: people in govt, the actors/victims, everyone nearby who possibly have been close enough to see anything, the EMTs, the media, the entire staff of the hospitals the victims were taken to… You do realise that the people who lost family members somehow need to keep up the fake story for the rest of their lives right? Because those families have people that know them and recognise them.
    Last point, why fake the bombing? Why not detonate a device, kill some people for real and spare the whole subterfuge angle? It’s far simpler…

  • “Jeff Bauman” in the photos above has thick golden curly hair. “Jeff Bauman” in the hospital suddenly has sleek dark brown straight hair. No one seems to have noticed this anomaly.

  • Why hasnt the mainstream media asked any questions about this? That is what happened in nazi germany. They buy the big lie. They believe in abortion and their whole belief system gone.

  • The person in these photos is Jeff Bauman. His girlfriend was running in the race. He had legs before this event and now he doesn’t. I’m sure you can spin that however you want, but the fact that you don’t even bother to actually look into it and try to spin something from photos is just sad.

    Shame on all of you.

  • As much as I agree this was staged, I’ve seen a video of a cop sliced in half remaining alive for half an hour. How do some people survive being sliced in half?

  • I just want you all to know I’ve seen video footage of people being severed in half above the thighs. In all three videos I saw, they were conscious, not screaming, and stayed that way for several minutes WITHOUT blood gushing everywhere. Ever hear of a thing called shock?? In one video, a man was completely severed just at his hips. For 8 minutes he talked to the people around him (he was run over) while he laid on the street. So this “EMT” expert clearly doesn’t have the expertise required. Also, he never has dealt with injuries DUE TO A BOMB.

  • DK

    The ‘bombs’ in question had a LETHAL radius each of 27 yards, if 2 were detonated into a packed crowd and there were over 100 survivors who had amputations, shrapnel would literally have disintegrated most of the crowd, most of which was nails mixed in with the cooker bombs powder.

    It is possible to a first responder to keep a person alive for a considerable length of time, but heres the clincher, not 100 or more at the same time. They would all have had multiple wounds all of which were bleeding out, there would not have been enough first responders aiding the casualties to save their lives, first aid would not help. The majority of the police were by the footage keeping people back for minutes.

    So who ‘were’ these people who were in the crowd ?.

    How come they ‘all’ had trauma training, first aid training itself is rare 2/3 of Americans never recieve it?

    How come they all came equipped with enough medical equipment to go round for over 100 victims.

    Where did all those ambulances come from since they were there before the bombing, they should have taken up to half an hour to arrive?

    The incident should have created a shortage of blood, surgery and post surgery would have required up to 50 liters of blood in a local Hospital. Where was the appeal for rare blood types.

    It is not the first 2 minutes, it is the first 30 but that does not explain how so many survived.

    How come the street lights are intact, the arc of shrapnel should have been 360 degrees.

    How come this is listed as a bomb location ?

    When a thin metal mailbox is still intact after being next to at least 2 kg of explosive charge. Look at the tree, which should have been shredded. and the sidewalk shattered.

    Again look at the Streetlight bulbs

    And why is an explosive device illustrated as being on the sidewalk next to the bin exploding actually somewhere else, those guys with caps and hi vis jackets running next to the Bin should be dead.

    In this articles comments there are people claiming to know personally the victims and the commentators are to stop voicing dissenting opinions on the accepted ‘truth’, this is from Marxist Ideology where you demean and insult the person rather than engage in the debate, to ensure that person is SILENCED. There is no greater pointer to a falsehood in progress. This is being done all the time throughout Google+, all the major papers and Yahoo. There are several hundred people who would know the Victims, they would rarely comment without naming their friend/family member. So who were they, what is their age, what color is their eyes, where did they work, how did you know them and how can we check up on the truth of your statement. Relatives and friends of the victims do not hang out on message boards 24/7/365 to shout insults people. It’s a job that pays, as I trawl the internet I can find cut and paste exact copies of each attempt, no matter where they are all the same. Boston, Syria’s gassing, Sandy Hawk.

  • It is a proven fact that the U.S. government is hiring people to comment on the internet to try to discredit those who have shown that this was a false flag operation. We need something like this every 3-5 years so the government can justify stealing Americans’ money to create a police state. This is a lie and Americans need to support the Bundy’s. We live in a time of criminal government. Everything is a scam being run for the interests of the power elite. May God bless the new revolutionaries! Americans must stand behind them and support them!

  • This is NO expertise!! What are your credentials? You had better be right before you make these assumptions and guesses. Everyone on here that believes this should be asking MORE questions to the author like:
    Did you investigate this man before the bombing? If not, why?
    Where is this man now?
    Did you interview him?
    Was your conclusion based on photographs only?
    How much time had lapsed between photographs?

    One man or woman sitting at his or her computer looking at photographs is NOT enough for me.
    I look through and read articles on BIN’s daily but this really needs more proof.

    I feel for the victims of the marathon bombing and unless you have more proof….please don’t bother me with your interpretation of a couple photos!!!

  • “…a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.”

    Simon & Garfunkle

  • nesara, i think you are wrong on this occasion.

    there has no question been false flag events, 9/11 being the biggest and the best!

    with real victims.

    that is the point i say to you.

    false flag? OK!

    however real victims…yes very real victims. ordinary people dead or maimed.

    you do their memory no justice to claim otherwise.

    take a look at websites that show the realities of war and genocide. consult a medical professional.

    the lower parts of your legs can be eviscerated for example,however this does not mean they start to splatter blood incontinently.this is fallacy.

    yes,i am with you on false flags.

    however not every event is a false flag.

  • This site is suggesting Actor Bauman and hospitalised Bauman are two completely different people. Also when you Google jeff bauman you get one guy with very straight hair – hospitalised bauman – and one guy with very curly hair – bomb actor bauman. Not difficult to see what’s going on here. Why would they do it? Well, it was to my knowledge, the first time they went door to door looking for and confiscating? guns. Also there was a pretty sinister vendetta carried out on Tsarnevs for reasons I am not aware of yet.

  • No two ways the picture at the top looks faked or staged and if the story was true then this man would be going around the country to give speaches and would be held up like a here, he’s not.

    149 comments to this post but i see Alex Jones with just my one comment is still ahead on B4IN from pages so try telling me that this is not staged too.

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