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Must Hear! William Cooper Interviews 32 Degree Mason

Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:31
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Although William Cooper was a Demolay as a young man, he did not continue into freemasonry. His Hour of the Time program revealed the secrets of the New World Order and it’s pawns. This video is of an interview with a infiltrated (CAJI) The Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence 32 degree Mason of the Scottish Rite. He goes by the pseudonym of William Morgan. We post this video not as endorsement of William Coopers theology or doctrine he abode in, but to make others aware of the issue discussed in the interview. We believe that the information William Cooper gave during the broadcast of the Hour of the Time can be helpful in informing others on what some of the agenda of Mystery Babylon is. Again we warn others about William Coppers theology so use your guarding Ephesians 6 discernment armor when listening.

 

   Some of the Topics discussed in this interview:

 

  1. Why the Scottish Rite only exists for white males and how they view everyone else.
  2. The racist attitude of Masons.
  3. Why other races are not welcomed in the lodge despite Masonic Prince Hall Masons for blacks.
  4. He calls Prince Hall Masonry the biggest scam, joke and insult given to any one race.
  5. Woman unable to understand what they do therefore not admitted to the male only lodge.
  6. Why whites can enter Prince Hall Lodges for Blacks but Black Masons cannot enter White lodges. (the continuation of the foundations of racism in this country…)
  7. Most all court judges are masons and they only rule for the benefit of Masons, for outsiders they rule to make life miserable. . .
  8. Why the Hierarchy ostracize Masons who are supposedly under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. . .
  9. Why all lower Masons are deceived into thinking that they will be the “Priests” of the New World Order only to later be destroyed.
  10. much much more. . .   

 

 

Here William Cooper declare!: “When you force me to practice your (masonic) religion…it becomes my business…”

 

Exposed Masonic Swastika racist symbolism attitude of Masons. . .

 

 

 

The Testimony of God against Mystery Babylon.

1 And after these things, I heard a great voice of a large multitude in Heaven, saying, Alleluia! The salvation and the glory and the honor and the power of the Lord our God!

2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He judged the great harlot who defiled the earth with her fornication. And He avenged the blood of His slaves out of her hand.

3 And secondly they said, Alleluia! Also her smoke goes up for ever and ever. 

Revelation 19:1-3

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  • Perry Celsus

    it’s is a tremendous misconception that the Mystery Schools are evil and solely associated with what people call the “illuminati” or “nwo”.

    There were even Christian Mystery Schools, along with Chaldean Mystery Schools, Egyptian Mystery Schools, Greek Mystery Schools… the teachings are the oldest teachings there are and do not belong to any nefarious, evil group(s)

    Schools teach knowledge, and no system of knowledge is good or evil. The good or evil comes from how the student chooses to use the knowledge they have learned.

    I learned a great deal about the Mystery Schools from WIlliam Cooper, but the one thing he got quite wrong about them was to suggest that they were responsible for all the wars and evil in the world… in my own many years of research into the Mystery Schools, I have never once found any teaching that states that some sort of elite shall rule over and enslave the masses via some sort of satanic worship… in fact all I have found is the exact opposite… the Mystery Schools teach about the individual being the most honest and sincere and self sacrificing they can be so they can be helpful and beneficent servants to mankind and Nature… they teach about how each person can better serve humanity through devotion and dedication to universal laws.

    there is no part of the ancient Mystery Schools that is evil, and they are not the institutions of the “illuminati/nwo”… the teachings, like all knowledge, have been hijacked by selfish individuals who use the knowledge taught in the Schools for their own power and control… and in order that no one else learns about what the Schools teach, they obscure the path and condition society to think the Mystery Schools are evil.

    Mystery Babylon, the Mystery Religion, the Mystery Schools are not evil… they are where the select few who have the strength, will power, dedication and commitment are taught to master themselves first so they can then master the laws of Nature and become servants of mankind.

    Unfortunately, evil, dark forces have corrupted and hijacked the teachings.

    • FreebytheTruth

      The problem with everything you’re saying is that this “knowledge” you’re accepting as progress is rudimentary, and that it necessitates a duality of evil principle. We know that duality is naturalism since it only can see the creation and apply divinity to it. Hence the creation of natural rudimentary evolutionary god’s of endless genealogical provenance. That is to say, the production of divine “gods” that must necessitate their ancestral connection within the cosmos of elements. Hence not answering the first cause question of who Immutably Omnipotently and Omnisciently transcends what was in the beginning of creation. The focuses of rudimentary Gnosticism where all these systems of the Mystery Religions ultimately lead too in the thinking natural of men, is the fallacy of making divinity out of created things. This stunts man into circular endless reasoning and traps his knowledge into futility. Since again it is linking all thing within the creation into a genealogical connection and thinking that is the answer we need to answer all things.

      That is the ever cursed system of attaining that kind of knowledge invented by man. These systems of the Mystery Schools have within them the seed of lies and the foundations of deceit.

      Moreover, I do not know where you are getting your information from, but it is clear from Theosophy’s externalization of the hierarchy that the initiation of the world into the Luciferian doctrine is the coercion over men’s conscience of a totalitarian socialistic worship of a one world religion of banker initiates. This is why all New Agers cry for global unity and think it is the only answer. Suffering from the problem in our first thesis point above. You not seeing the economic collapse and who is doing it today for their own greed and contentiousness seems to be willfully ignorant. Since this is a self evident truth and the boastful history of those “initiates” who claim to have shaped history. The world wars are nobody’s fault but the irrationality of these Mystery Religion initiates that have been duped by their own love for lies greed and covetousness and we all suffer for it. This global spying network and consolidation greed of all the assets of the world by the global Masonic control grid of the illuminati system of intelligence groups is all over the news. How could you be so willfully ignorant and in denial of these totalitarian facts??

      Since we mentioned that the seed bed for producing all these evil necessitating teachings is their ignorance that “no lie is of the Truth” (1 John 2:21), those who willfully give themselves over to these cursed
      systems and accept them as some great truth will be doomed to the Biblical thesis of the Devil’s destruction and punishment. Since that is the only rational alternative to gnosticism and the ‘just’ punishment of evil doers who pervert the Truth about God and slander his character by bearing false witness.

      The Holy Bible is the only system of knowledge that tells man how to escape the cursed system of knowledge also called Gnosticism that came into the world by mans disobedience. It not only give the answer it provides the life, if done God’s way. Since He is omniscience defined in having the right answers. The Mystery Religions cursed knowledge are all planted in the lost wisdom of men again, that is not reconciled to the Omnipotent, Omniscient Omnipresent and Immutable God of the Bible. He’s the only one that has told us.
      “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.” 1 John 1:5

      You see the God of the Bible has no darkness in Him at all, and that is why the Mystery Schools hate Him from their rudimentary polluted hearts that practice duality necessitating corruption. Unfortunately many do not and cannot see clearly what we explained and are doomed to repeat the cursed way of futility. Even as you said to think highly of being able to “master the laws of Nature” is to facilitate more it’s decay. Instead of progressing into the new birth of eternal life which has already given it’s down payment of the Holy Spirit as surety of it’s redemption.

      Our playlist goes into the provenance of the Biblical redemption out of Gnosticism cursed futility. It can help you.
      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8mBI9a_RqcJLrC9FqESxOSYRVejvwy58
      There are many more teaching on our YouTube channel that expose Gnosticism’s irrationality. You should check them out.

      • Perry Celsus

        The Mystery Schools do not teach knowledge invented by men, they teach the knowledge of Nature. The learn the knowledge and laws of nature by observing nature, inside and out. They teach universal laws that are not the concoctions or ideas of men, but the fundamental laws of existence which reveal themselves to those who are seeking.

        To label all Mystery School initiates throughout time into one category as evil and responsible for all the world’s darkness, is just irrational thought based on bias and illogical thinking.. and based on hostility towards information that conflicts with your own beliefs.

        To consider gnosticism cursed knowledge agains shows your bias and unwillingness to think beyond the limitations of your belief system which hinders your ability to use rational thought applied towards ideas that don’t conform to your own ideology. It is pointless to have a conversation with someone who has cemented themselves into a belief system which limits there mental movement to a stationary position that has to be foolishly defended because you cemented yourself in place, so what else you gonna do… you’re stuck and aren’t free to move.

      • The Real Deal

        “You see the God of the Bible has no darkness in Him at all,…”

        Are you kidding? Have you read the Old Testament? That is one evil guy!

        You sit on this high horse spouting drivel, quoting the bible as if your opinion is the only one, and you act as if you’re somehow awake, when in fact, you are fast asleep. Talk about stunting man into endless circular reasoning and trapping knowledge into futility, you are the poster child!

        Grow up and act like an adult. And no, speaking in your vernacular isn’t helping your credibility when you still believe in a beared guy sitting on a cloud. do you also believe in Santa? how about the Easter Bunny?

      • FreebytheTruth

        @The Real Deal And you think the pagans in the Old testament did not deserve the recompense of their wicked ways right. Cause your all up and high and mighty in your morality to judge the totality of the Bible’s redemptive thesis. Like you know what that is. Obviously not since you would have presented it’s thesis. That’s the first thing you do when refuting your opponents claim. You accurately represent their logical points.

        You are acting typical of those who criticize God’s ability to talk through His creation, yet you give no alternative plausible answer why your mind cannot grasp the first cause transcendent question. You sympathize with the non answer endless rudimentary genealogical (space alien came from space alien came from space alien odd infinitum etc or whatever you think you came from in the cosmos). It’s still a non answer to what is transcendent to all of creation.

        You make accusations but present no rational logical evidence on how our logic explaining endless rudimentary Gnosticism is in error. Present FACTS not your ad hominem attacks of calling people “poster child” because you cannot grasp things beyond the mind controlling doctrines of Gnosticism, that answer nothing on the first cause question.

        For your information I can answer how God allows evil unclean gnostic spirits to posses animals and talk, but you’ve probably been brainwashed by Charlie Darwins Masonic at the Masonic X Club Royal Society mythmakers of rudimentary elements self assembling into talking parts by a mindless process.

        But really, who knows what you believe. Since you offer no concert answers or refutation on the absurd reality of endless planet hopping genealogies that when quantified, still will not know where they came from. Since all things within the cosmos are just as stunted in their naturalism as you are now in NOT offering a solution to that unanswerable question.

        Think about the rudimentary presuppositions before you attempt to respond. And do not respond with inflated rhetoric. Present logical conclusions, or your madness will be your own refutation.

      • GuitarLots

        Freak Masons like to hang out in a lodge and drink sulfuric acid with a twist of lemon

    • FreebytheTruth

      The whole Masonic system of initiation, no matter how far back it goes, is invented by men’s fallen cursed thinking. You claiming it’s not is irrational. I will prove your irrationality.

      You say “To consider gnosticism cursed knowledge again shows your bias…”
      It’s not an issue of being biased towards a natural self evident fact, and to “consider” you are enslaved to it. It is an issue that you are willfully blind to the self evident fact of enslavement to your lodge superior, and their irrational coercive initiation death oath rites that lie and manipulate. And you do this with the crafty rhetoric of the enslavement promise you made to your hierarchy. Then you want to tell us that you are capable of being objective in examining Gnosticism irrationality we explained to you.

      What you’ve not “learned” to be honest about is the enslavement of Masonry. How can the public common trust be given to your claims as I told Bigrsoul. When you are enslaved by death oath coercion to the bidding of your Gnostic hierarchical superiors. They have been exposed to the light of day already and so has your rituals. To say otherwise is a self delusion.

      You know that no one will ever trust secret proceeding in windowless lodges, so you choose to continue with the lies. Even after you know better about the Masonic Lodge’s enslavement practices and try to deceive others into the foundations of your enslavement. And so I tell you the same. For that, you do not have my respect, and the respect of those who seek out the Truth of a matter.

      • Perry Celsus

        The problem with your thinking is you are making judgement based off assumption.

        You assume that since I have researched the Mystery Schools and find no evil in them, that I have sworn some sort of oath, or gone through an initiation, or am a mason… I belong to no group. I belong to no lodge. I have sworn no oath to anyone other then to seeking the truth.

        You are basing your comments on assumption, not on fact or actual knowledge. Jus as you base your beliefs about who you think I am on no factual knowledge, you are judging the Mystery tradition with no knowledge of what it is actually about. You make sweeping generalizations, which you have been conditioned to make when confronted with information that contradicts your own belief system

        I subscribe to no religious ideology, though I can see the identical core truth in all religions.

        One does not need to be a mason or go through some pageant initiation ritual to learn the teachings of the Mystery Schools… you don’t need to swear an oath to any one or anything… you don’t have to join a club or pay dues… you just have to seek the truth, “seek and ye shall find”… and if you are a dedicated seeker, nature rewards you with bread crumbs to follow.

        But you assumed I belong to some group, been tricked into believing lies by power hungry manipulators… when none of that is true… you are trapped by your assumptions which numb your ability to use critical thinking

    • FreebytheTruth

      You judge in error my righteous judgement about your death oath enslavement to your gnostic superiors. That is why you will not deal with the true end result of your death oaths and their enslavement coercion. As you pretense intelligence with duplicitous rhetoric.

      You only cement yourself as an irrational fool who thinks the public’s investigation of your lodge fraud is incapable of seeing right through your lies. Think of the 3000+ that have listened to the facts in this video posted here. You disdain their investigation also and would prefer them to ignorantly enslave themselves to irrational rudimentary dogma, and loose there free minds of inquiry.

      For that again you cannot gain the mass public respect, ever! Since the Masonic lodge machinations are already out in the open for all to see, and your deceit is only to protect “yourself”, not the public, from being killed by your hierarchy.

      • Perry Celsus

        you again are proving you are not capable of conversing rationally… as I clearly stated I belong to no lodge, I have sworn no “death oath”. I am no mason, I am not a member of any group or club. I have no hierarchy to serve or answer to.

        This is a futile exercise.

      • Damien

        More Of JustMurican Descent Alone goonery.

    • FreebytheTruth

      Your first comment should have clearly stated what you lastly stated, that you did not make an death oath in a lodge, yet as you proxy for their dogma.

      As you know Masons are the subject of this post.

      Your second reply was the continuation of justifying why their externalization of the Mystery Religions they promote was something you “can see the identical core truth in all religions.”

      That is demonic mind control, whether you can see it or not, and it’s leading you not only as a proxy for them, but to my next point.

      Consider my last commentary in my response as a reply to the day the mandatory future oath to the New World Religion will all be forced upon everyone to accept. And probably will accept it. Since you say through all your denial of being a mason, you “can see the identical core truth in all religions.”

      You need this preventative maintenance, and I’m glad you were exposed to it as insurance against enslavement to irrational Gnosticism.

      Now the question becomes. When that day comes will you have the convictions enough to not enslave yourself. Hopefully so.

      • Perry Celsus

        The Mystery Schools and Freemasonry are not synonymous, Freemasonry has ties to the ancient Mystery Schools, but it is in no way the same thing. The Mystery Schools predate Freemasonry by thousands of centuries. The Mystery Schools are not synonymous with Gnosticism.

        You’ve proven throughout all your comments here that you do not know of what you speak. You just cast judgement on things which you fear and have little understanding of.

        But all you’re comments have proved you are not using sound reasoning or logic. Your mental faculties are hampered by your religious beliefs and make it impossible to for you to hear what others are saying.

        To believe that someone is under “demonic mind control” because their beliefs are not congruent with your own, is crazy… actual mental illness crazy, not just the colloquial crazy like “you so crazy man!”, but rather actual mental illness crazy.

        Please carry on schooling everyone in this post on how wrong we all are and how not at all crazy you are. Gotta go, demons are telling me to make some breakfast.

    • FreebytheTruth

      @The Real Deal And you think the pagans in the Old testament did not deserve the recompense of their wicked ways right. Cause your all up and high and mighty in your morality to judge the totality of the Bible’s redemptive thesis. Like you know what that is. Obviously not since you would have presented it’s thesis. That’s the first thing you do when refuting your opponents claim. You accurately represent their logical points.

      You are acting typical of those who criticize God’s ability to talk through His creation, yet you give no alternative plausible answer why your mind cannot grasp the first cause transcendent question. You sympathize with the non answer endless rudimentary genealogical (space alien came from space alien came from space alien odd infinitum etc or whatever you think you came from in the cosmos). It’s still a non answer to what is transcendent to all of creation.

      You make accusations but present no rational logical evidence on how our logic explaining endless rudimentary Gnosticism is in error. Present FACTS not your ad hominem attacks of calling people “poster child” because you cannot grasp things beyond the mind controlling doctrines of Gnosticism, that answer nothing on the first cause question.

      For your information I can answer how God allows evil unclean gnostic spirits to posses animals and talk, but you’ve probably been brainwashed by Charlie Darwins Masonic at the Masonic X Club Royal Society mythmakers of rudimentary elements self assembling into talking parts by a mindless process.

      But really, who knows what you believe. Since you offer no concert answers or refutation on the absurd reality of endless planet hopping genealogies that when quantified, still will not know where they came from. Since all things within the cosmos are just as stunted in their naturalism as you are now in NOT offering a solution to that unanswerable question.

      Think about the rudimentary presuppositions before you attempt to respond. And do not respond with inflated rhetoric. Present logical conclusions, or your madness will be your own refutation.

      • Perry Celsus

        You clearly can’t follow what’s been said… you just throw a few big words you don’t totally understand into sentences that only make sense in your mind as you ramble on in some tirade in which you are demanding answers to questions no one is asking. It’s like speaking to a drunk…. the conversation they’re having in their head is brilliant and well crafted, but to all of us standing around the drunk all we hear is incoherent fragments of thoughts that just trail into noises as the drunk gets more and more angry that no is following their eloquent discourse on nonsense

        please continue, you were saying… rudimentary…ad hominem…genealogies…presuppositions…truly you have a dizzying intellect

    • Mariano

      Mystery and occultism are wrong. If you have something valuable, you bring it to the light. If you don´t, then you are pursuing the idea that a certain group of people is not fit to handle it. That of course is wrong.

      If you believe in natural law, there´s no way to believe some men are born free and others are born to follow. It is not true.

      • Perry Celsus

        “mystery”, as you say and occultism are not wrong… occultism is just a language, languages are not right or wrong. It is not that things are not being brought to the table, it’s that you have to seek in order to find… instead of expecting others to bring it to the table for you, you have to go seek it out and find it… this is why the term “hidden in plain sight” is used… it’s right there for anyone to see it, you just have to look for it. Natural law is only hidden from those who aren’t looking for it.

        As far as discerning if a certain group can handle knowledge or not… we do this constantly as humans. We don’t give guns to children because we don’t believe they are fit to handle guns. We don’t just give out driver’s licenses to anyone who wants a car, you have to pass test to prove you are fit to be given a 2 ton weapon to drive 60 mph next to hundreds of other people in 2 ton weapons. There’s countless times where society deems certain groups unfit to handle certain responsibilities knowledge.

        Like any system of knowledge, you have to earn the right to that knowledge, and you earn it by seeking it. Most humans just want to be spoon fed and told the answers, doing none of the work themselves. We look to google before we look to our own brains for answers… we do not want to think, but just to regurgitate what we were told was the right answer.

        You have to do the work to find the knowledge, and until you do it is kept hidden away from you, but all the while it sits all around you waiting for you to see it.

      • Perry Celsus

        also being born free and born to follow is two different things… all men are born free… it’s not that some are born free and some born to follow… everyone is born free. But nature shows that many species are driven entirely by instincts to follow… herds of deer, schools of fish, flock of birds… everything is born free, but the urge for species to simply follow someone else is seen everywhere and is inherent to life on earth. Humans are a herd species, just like countless other species on the planet…we all congregate and live in huge herds of people, we all move together on highways every day. Humans are a following species by nature. Doesn’t mean we aren’t born free… the deer who follow are born free, the fish who follow are born free.

        but every one is born free… it’s not a matter of free vs. follow.

      • FreebytheTruth

        I will post this here also as a reply to Perry Celsus, and it will prove the Mystery Religions were historically evil and morally wrong. I cover our previous conversation also.

        We know the history of the Mystery Religions and NO DUH Masonry is a dark ages cultic rite, but you continue with straw man red herrings. All because you were not clear from the beginning about your position concerning Masonry’s oaths. Had you responded to the discussion of William Cooper interview that discusses these matter, maybe then would you not been misunderstood. Especially since I was multitasking with another Gnostic like yourself Who was a Knights Templar. Early Christians defined Gnosticism in the Ante-Nicene Apostolic Fathers of the primitive church writings. They recognized that anything in the natural wisdom of man beyond abiding in the transmitted historic apostolic writings of the New Testament they received directly from Jesus Christ was rudimentary Gnosticism. The veracity of Christ resurrection is the defeat of Gnosticism, but I do not expect you to understand that. Since you’re not a Christian scholar.

        Yet the problem you WILLFULLY IGNORE is again that you’re clearly stunted about the transcendent first cause who created all things question. You do not even attempt to answer that question because we’ve proven that the Scripture is correct when it says.
        “Neither give heed to fables (of Mystery Religion) and endless (cosmological) genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: 1 Timothy 1:4

        And since your mind is under the influence of accepting the kingdom cult-ures that facilitate Mystery Religion demons, you have no clue what the arguments are to even frame a reply to that question. 1 Timothy 1:4 long ago refuted what our lost generation has barely become aware of, in what their casing after in cosmological evolutionary missing genealogical links searching. Yes, the N.T. calls Evolution “Endless Genealogies” to simplify it for you.

        I trust in the rationality of that logic that makes sense from the Omnipotent creator who best explains it. All the Mystery Religion cultures were from the beginning nature rudimentary deities. I know it’s taking time for you to grasp the illogical premise of that yet, as I could not when I was lost in occult sin like yourself. Your sarcastic claim that you are free from demonic influence because you SOMEWHERE presented “congruent” logic, is missing.

        WHERE IS THAT CONGRUENT LOGIC? Let your own words be the testimony against yourself that you presented no such thing concerning transcendent causes.

        You have the audacity to claim that you have presented congruent data, but now who’s the one not capable of conversing rationally. Even this last rely of yours is void of any data. Yet IN OUR VERY FIRST REPLY TO YOU WE PRESENTED THE FACTS CONCERNING ENDLESS COSMOLOGICAL GENEALOGIES, and at our 2:32 AM reply we explained in in more layman terms you cannot understand. It really is incredible how the mind control you have is preventing your mind from thinking logically. What you have done though is in essence say: I just like the Mystery Religions cause they are not the same as Masonry.

        Meanwhile again, you proxy for Masonry by saying irrationally that the Mystery Religions “they are not evil”, and not synonymous with Masonry. When the History of the Mystery Religions, that you say you’ve studied, is filled with Child Sacrifice, Cannibalism, Ritual Abuse, Coercion, Mind Control Hierarchical Tyrannies and every other vice that stunts thinking. It is the testimony of those who’ve suffered under this demonic influence mind control ritual abuse that the Mystery Religions also practice, that you cannot escape the historicity of it. And that’s why you first comment here really says it all.

    • FreebytheTruth

      We know the history of the Mystery Religions and NO DUH Masonry is a dark ages cultic rite, but you continue with straw man red herrings. All because you were not clear from the beginning about your position concerning Masonry’s oaths. Had you responded to the discussion of William Cooper interview that discusses these matter, maybe then would you not been misunderstood. Especially since I was multitasking with another Gnostic like yourself Who was a Knights Templar. Early Christians defined Gnosticism in the Ante-Nicene Apostolic Fathers of the primitive church writings. They recognized that anything in the natural wisdom of man beyond abiding in the transmitted historic apostolic writings of the New Testament they received directly from Jesus Christ was rudimentary Gnosticism. The veracity of Christ resurrection is the defeat of Gnosticism, but I do not expect you to understand that. Since you’re not a Christian scholar.

      Yet the problem you WILLFULLY IGNORE is again that you’re clearly stunted about the transcendent first cause who created all things question. You do not even attempt to answer that question because we’ve proven that the Scripture is correct when it says.
      “Neither give heed to fables (of Mystery Religion) and endless (cosmological) genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: 1 Timothy 1:4

      And since your mind is under the influence of accepting the kingdom cult-ures that facilitate Mystery Religion demons, you have no clue what the arguments are to even frame a reply to that question. 1 Timothy 1:4 long ago refuted what our lost generation has barely become aware of, in what their casing after in cosmological evolutionary missing genealogical links searching. Yes, the N.T. calls Evolution “Endless Genealogies” to simplify it for you.

      I trust in the rationality of that logic that makes sense from the Omnipotent creator who best explains it. All the Mystery Religion cultures were from the beginning nature rudimentary deities. I know it’s taking time for you to grasp the illogical premise of that yet, as I could not when I was lost in occult sin like yourself. Your sarcastic claim that you are free from demonic influence because you SOMEWHERE presented “congruent” logic, is missing.

      WHERE IS THAT CONGRUENT LOGIC? Let your own words be the testimony against yourself that you presented no such thing concerning transcendent causes.

      You have the audacity to claim that you have presented congruent data, but now who’s the one not capable of conversing rationally. Even this last rely of yours is void of any data. Yet IN OUR VERY FIRST REPLY TO YOU WE PRESENTED THE FACTS CONCERNING ENDLESS COSMOLOGICAL GENEALOGIES, and at our 2:32 AM reply we explained in in more layman terms you cannot understand. It really is incredible how the mind control you have is preventing your mind from thinking logically. What you have done though is in essence say: I just like the Mystery Religions cause they are not the same as Masonry.

      Meanwhile again, you proxy for Masonry by saying irrationally that the Mystery Religions “they are not evil”, and not synonymous with Masonry. When the History of the Mystery Religions, that you say you’ve studied, is filled with Child Sacrifice, Cannibalism, Ritual Abuse, Coercion, Mind Control Hierarchical Tyrannies and every other vice that stunts thinking. It is the testimony of those who’ve suffered under this demonic influence mind control ritual abuse that the Mystery Religions also practice, that you cannot escape the historicity of it. And that’s why you first comment here really says it all.

      • Perry Celsus

        First… if you think I am not providing data or avoiding answering your questions, you’re right… that’s what people do when they stop listening to you. That’s what people do when they no longer wish to try and converse with a crazy rambling person who is having a conversation with themselves.

      • FreebytheTruth

        No, Perry Celsus. Your in a public comment section with others who will see and you don’t care about leaving “congruent” data for them to see your rational?? :shock:

        That’s a sigh that you are suffering the first fruits of self absorption as a little gnostic god unto yourself, and care not what others think. Taking the time to help others understand the logic behind the veracity of the Mystery Religions you are defending. It’s not an issue of us, but helping others stretch their minds to find the Truth of a matter. That’s the virtue void in the Mystery Religions.

      • Perry Celsus

        FreebytheTruth… on this public forum everyone who can read and use their mind will read all of this exchange and be able to clearly see you are not capable of following along and are kinda nutso.

      • FreebytheTruth

        Oh now you speak for everyone like some little omniscient gnostic god lol :lol: Those are some omnipotent congruent statements you’re saying. . . Unbelievable.

      • Perry Celsus

        you keep on using this word “congruent”… i don’t think it means what you think it means

      • FreebytheTruth

        The truth is you don’t know what that means. Since you presented no data, just uninformed mythological claims about the Mystery Religions not being evil.

        And here you come again parroting “they are not evil” like an irrational fool.

  • Bigrsoul

    That’s strange, I ACTUALLY AM A MEMBER OF THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR, but have not received my diplomatic passport yet. It’s amazing just how gullible people can be.

    • FreebytheTruth

      Maybe your hierarchy does not think you have the right DNA since they are racist. You know you naturalists that hide behind your pretense of paying lip service to “the Almighty” can never get beyond your dark aged mentality. The dark ages is where you passport yourselves from. How could you ever think that being locked in that darkness of irrational rudimentary Gnosticism as I explained to Perry Celsus above. Could ever give you the right passport with the only transcendent immutable Omnipotence outside of His creation. That is the strangest thing.

      • Bigrsoul

        Nope,got the right DNA and everything. Must have got lost in the post. No irrational Gnosticism here..we were only asked if we believed in a supreme being… Why..yes… But it is never asked which one. Gnosticism derived from the Ancient Greek word meaning” learned ” is in all modern religious nonsense, what people forget is that the masonic practices were around for thousands and thousands of years before the modern day religions stole, bastardised and made the practices and rituals their own. We only mock and attack that which we do not understand, it is an irrational fear which can only be overcome with an enlightened mind.

    • FreebytheTruth

      You say “No irrational Gnosticism here..” but claim the right DNA. So you admit that the lodges are only for the right DNA; and that fact leads to the irrationality of stunted racist rudimentary thinking. The problem is most of you that joined the lodge for the favors, and then were forced to accept the inflated premise that you are becoming better men than everyone else is irrational. The thinking public can and will judge for themselves on whether or not to abide in endless genealogical cosmic natural irrationality that Masonic dogma is stunted in. Since answers absolutely nothing concerning the transcendent Creator.

      You people in the Lodges will be lead down the course of darkened minds not lighten minds. That cannot see beyond rudimentary Gnostic circular natural corruption. The public already knows the truth about the second law of thermodynamic decay. That even though atoms have a negative and positive principle and look to be in balance, they are in reality dying by the causation of the curse by the Omnipotent. So no matter how old you think your doctrine goes back, it will always suffer from it’s stunted corrupt ancient provenance of rebellion to Divine wisdom by producing death and destruction. Not the peace of unconditional love by which the Truth is found.

      Finally I explained to you and Perry Celsus the Truth, but the reality is you’re in fear of your gnostic superiors. That have deceived you into death oathing the very freedom of your own mind to investigate the irrationality of Gnosticism’s end fruit. You talk about those outside you lodge enslavement, as having fear. When in reality it is you who fear the end result of the death oath coercion you endured. How that mind control process the hierarchy put you into, resulted in bondage at your initiation.

      That’s what you’ve not “learned” to be honest about. So that common trust can be given to you claims as they have been exposed to the light of day. You know that no one will trust secret proceeding in windowless lodges, so you choose to continue with the lies. Even after you know better about the Masonic Lodge’s enslavement practices. And for that you do not have my respect, and the respect of those who seek out the Truth of a matter.

      • Bigrsoul

        “We only mock and attack that which we do not understand, it is an irrational fear which can only be overcome with an enlightened mind”. I rest my case.

      • Damien

        GNosticism GeNerates GeNders GeNetic GNowledge.

        Of course, that would not apply to you, what with you being the 2nd (American) Christ.

        For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.…

    • FreebytheTruth

      I understand what you repeat again, but parroting your enslavement to your gnostic superiors does not make you a better enlightened man, and a useful man for the long term common good.

      Certainly the weight of your “light” has burdened your death oath into irrational mantras now. All for the Hierarchy you think cares for you. You know you’re all liars by doctrine. Unfortunately you must wait till that weight takes you to the place you have no control over. I do not wish bad for you, but that’s where eternal justice demands eternal prison in the end for false witnesses, idolaters, slanderers and the covetous those who did not love, the love of the Truth.

      • Bigrsoul

        Surely even someone so obviously un enlightened as yourself must yield to the fact that you must be in full command and understanding of BOTH sides to actually facilitate a cogent argument. As you have no knowledge of and will never be allowed to gain any on this subject ,you have no argument.Your self aggrandising spouting on subjects to which you know NOTHING just makes your bitter, whinging rhetoric stand out for what it really is.Your point is not only moot but your verbal attacks stemming from fear, insecurity and rancour only translates to the “enlightened soul” as puerile, ignorant and uneducated babel. I will say no more on this subject.

    • FreebytheTruth

      Slandering others who know the facts and real extent of your fraud lodge enslavement death oaths is as about as ridiculous as you wearing that silly apron of yours.

      Since your brain is stunted by your enslavement death oath to your “master” I don’t expect you to have a rational conversation beyond you puffing yourself up.

      Let look at look at your biblical description, before I finish our correspondence.

      “Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their your shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.” Jude 1:13 What a heavy description of gnostics. Wow!

      It is also written about you Gnostics “These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.” Jude 1:16 Yup, that’s your fraud lodge indoctrination.

      Paul also describes you to accurately.
      Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times (you will be) giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1 Timothy 4:1-2

      Finally you use the word enlightened so much in reference to your puffed up self, that it has become self manifested in the totality of your comments here that your light bulb is burnt out. You gave it to much current by stroking your own ego. if your “light” was on, wisdom is justified of all her children. Luke 7:35.

      I’ll let the record of my refutation of Gnosticism’s irrationality here stand on it’s own merits and others who read can judge for themselves.

  • CMalcheski

    Curious that Behold a Pale Horse was published way back in 1991. It had all this stuff in it, and nothing ever came to pass. That is twenty three years ago. What do you suppose these people are waiting on? They have mastered everything from mind control to time travel and yet they still need illegals by the dozen just to throw an election. It is most curious.

  • 2GodBtheGlory

    These so called Mystery Religions have been proven ineffective by the very nature of the men/women who practice them. Look at those who attend the Bohemian Grove every July. Some of the most powerful and philanthropic men in the world. Externally they present themselves as compassionate helpers of mankind but what they do behind the scene is the very reason there is so much destruction in the world. At the Bohemian Grove they sacrifice to and worship a 42′ stone owl who can neither see, hear, speak, feel or move. Masons, after one reaches a certain degree, can no longer bring a bible nor speak of God in a lodge. What about the people who have blown the whistle on people who practice these so called Mystery Religions. They speak of bondage, slavery, mind control, sexual deviance, and all types of abominations. Though it may start out as a good thing it always ends in evil. It’s all satanic. The only way to get someone to do evil is to make them think they are doing good.

    • FreebytheTruth

      You’re exactly right. This is what I’ve been trying to convince Perry Celsus of, but he only makes it up as he goes, and then implies that his statements are “congruent” with the historicity of human sacrifice, child sacrifice, ritual abuse and even cannibalism by Gnostics that the Mystery Religions practiced. . .
      You make a good modern day analysis.

      • 0 Sum

        http://www.alchemylab.com/paracelsus.htm

        Perry Celsus = Paracelsus

        Paracelsus (1493-1541) was a true alchemist at heart because throughout his life he believed in natural healing of a magical world created by God. At birth his father named him Theophrastus Philippus Aureolus Bombastus von Hohenheim. Following some years of seeking medical knowledge and being disappointed he gave himself the Latin name of Paracelsus, meaning “greater than Celus.” This was after Aulus Cornelius Celus who was one of the great encyclopedists of the first century CE. His medical compendium De re mediea was one of the first ancient works on medicine to appear in print, as early as 1478. After assuming his new name Paracelsus bravely announced that his medicine was greater than that of the ancient Greeks and Romans.

        http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/p/paracelsus.html

    • Perry Celsus

      you are only aware of one side of the story… it’s like watching star wars and thinking there are only sith who use the force and not jedi. Bad guys and good guys use the same force. But you’ve only been told about the bad guys. So are the Jedi in star wars actually doing evil deeds because they were fooled by the Sith to think they were doign good..???

      You’ve only seen youtube videos about bohemian grove type things, and yes, those people are dark nefarious evil people and yes there is a cabal of dark powers that rule the world. The teachings of the Mystery Religions were hijakced by evil people who wanted to keep the knowledge for their own power. That’s how”THE POWERS THAT BE” became the powers that be… they understand very powerful knowledge, and they use it to control and manipulate… but you can use a gun to save someone’s life or you can use a gun kill someone… TPTB use sacred ancient knowledge not to benefit mankind but to control it. And they don’t want the masses learning what they know, so they hide it and tell you it’s “Evil” and most people totally buy it, hook line and sinker and go running away hiding from the boogeyman.

      If you actually study what they teach, you’ll find no evil in them at all, because no language, no system of knowledge is good or evil. You can use knowledge of electricity to light a town, or you can use it to electrocute someone… is electricity good or evil?

      The Mystery Schools teach the same truth that is at the core of all religions… and again, for all you christians, there were even Christian Mystery schools long ago.

      • FreebytheTruth

        More irrationality by Perry C. Your mantra “no system of knowledge is good or evil.” only makes you sound like your on meth and out of your mind. Talk about misinformed and 1 short of a dozen.

        DUDE you act like nobodies ever premeditated a wicked though of conspiratorial knowledge. And that happens EVERY DAY. Yet you continue with these sweeping statement of untrue generalities like a pot smoker laughing it up. Your mind is gone. A depraved mind is a useless mind! and your depravity is leaking everywhere!

        May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on your lost soul.

      • Perry Celsus

        explain how a system of knowledge is good or evil…

        is knowledge of mathematics good or evil? I can use mathematics to build an atom bomb and destroy a city, or I can use it to build energy sources to benefit society.

        is knowledge of anatomy good or evil? I can use anatomy to torture a human body or I can use ti to heal a human body.

        is knowledge of chemistry good or evil? I can use chemistry to make biological weapons or I can use it to make medicine.

        is knowledge of symbolism good or evil? I can use it to control and manipulate or I can use it to expand and enlighten.

        no system of knowledge is good or evil. If you can’t understand that, then you don’t understand what knowledge is, but you’ve already proven that fact time and time again.

        people use all kinds of knowledge for premeditated wicked thoughts every day… you’re right there.

      • FreebytheTruth

        You making examples of rational knowledge to make a case for “no system of knowledge is good or evil.” is a fallacy. This is not your original thesis or defense.

        YOUR ORIGINAL DEFENSE WAS OF THE MYSTERY RELIGIONS AND we said THEIR WILLFUL PRACTICE OF “EVIL”. YOU CANNOT APPLY GOOD TO SOMETHING THAT HAS EVIL WITHIN IT.

        The question is not what is good, but what is “evil”! AND CLEARLY THE HISTORIC MYSTERY RELIGIONS WERE E V I L.

        Good grief with you, Get off the drugs if your on any?

      • Perry Celsus

        Again, you prove you cannot follow along. You can apply good to something that has evil in it… humans do evil things all the time, is humanity evil? I believe humanity is good, even though it has evil in it.

        You claim the Mystery Schools are evil, because you haven’t researched them, you’ve just seen some youtube videos with scary music. You’ve looked no further, and speak about things you know nothing about based out of fear.

      • FreebytheTruth

        There is nothing to follow along. You know why?? Because no one follows the STENCH of SEWER doctrines of the Mystery Religions once they suffer from it.

        You see, that is were you’re wrong. Humanity is in need of reconciliation to the transcendent Creator, because they have all chosen “evil” at one time or another. Your claim that humanity is good even though they practice evil, leads to the justification of willful evil acts of tyranny. That is the by product of your kind of naive thinking that humanity is good. You have the whole history of the world to see that humanity is hell bent on evil, and it is only true Christianity that reconciles and makes atonement for the evil acts of sin and actually changes people into not wanting to necessitate evil.

        Now you’re making assumptions about what we’ve studied in the Mystery Religions and you pontificate the same masonic crap about fear. You earlier talked about not being able to have a rational conversation because someone was assuming things, now you’re doing that very thing.

        I have studied more than you know, and that is why i schooled you on endless genealogies and their non provenance non-answer, that you were left with your tongue tied in fear. That’s why all you’re left that subject in fear with these new ad hominem assumptions of guessing about what we know.

        The Truth is you have no rational consistent sound unified logic theory at all. Only your ever learning that fails to come to the knowledge of the Truth, because your too busy professing your irrational thinking with psychobabble shifting sand.

      • Perry Celsus

        There’s very simple things to follow along with, like the idea that no system of knowledge is good or evil… you can’t follow along with that and argue against something that is not opinion but just an observable fact. Reread the things you’ve written in response to my comments, you aren’t following the conversation you are just rambling on and on about tangents from your own dialogue in your head.

        I can make that assumption about the fact that you haven’t studied the Mystery Religions because of your own words which show lack of knowledge about them. If you had studied them you’d see there is far more to them then what you claim. So my assumption is correct because you’ve already shown you know very little about what the Mystery Schools are about and teach aside from you parroting things you’ve heard in youtube videos.

      • Perry Celsus

        If you think humanity is hell bent on evil, then you are sadly missing what life is about… humanity has created amazing works of art, beautiful orchestral symphonies of creativity and ingenuity, unbelievable temples and cathedrals…humanity has created all kind of humans who are full of love and joy… there’s a small percentage hell bent on evil… the majority of humanity is good, if you think otherwise, then I feel sorry for you and you are a terrible advertisement for christianity if you think the world is an awful place and only see evil all around you.

      • FreebytheTruth

        Your demons have convinced you that your following some kind of logic, but you have manifestly been diagnosed with delusions of grandeur. that’s why you shift the subject from the simple truth that the Mystery Religions are archaeologically proven to be evil.

        Reverse psychology is all your left with, and it vain your platitudes are empty with your incapability of seeing the fact that you are very evil.

        Your assumptions are your delusions, and only produce your incapability to have a rational discourse. As you repeat your vain mantras as thought that qualifies them to become more truthful, the more you pontificate them. You have not first cause answer. That is why you love the Mystery Delusions.

      • FreebytheTruth

        You are missing out on Christ eternal life, by suffering from your stunted gnostic thinking. As I explained to you over and over.

        You have no life, you lie to yourself. Christians are the light of the world and you gnostics would be hell bent and will be hell bent the day the Holy Spirit is taken out of this world. He restrains you even though you do not know Him.

        6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
        7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
        8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
        9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
        10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
        11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
        12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
        2 Thessalonians 2:6-12

      • Perry Celsus

        haven’t shifted my point at all… you just have been unable to follow along because you are handicapped by your religious beliefs which don’t allow you to contemplate ideas that challenge your own…I started off saying there is a misconception and lack of knowledge about the Mystery Schools, and that’s what I’ve been saying the whole time… but you haven’t been able to follow that simple point of my original comment, you just react with hostility towards an opposing belief system you know little about.

        This has been a wonderful exercise in futility, but par for the course… good luck with your internet forum missionary work, I’m sure you’ll win over many converts, you certainly convinced me… have a peach.

      • Damien

        “”"The question is not what is good, but what is “evil”! AND CLEARLY THE HISTORIC MYSTERY RELIGIONS WERE E V I L.”"”

        7 What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “YOU SHALL NOT COVET.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.…

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