The Vatican Exposed: It's Dark Dark Dark Secret
The Vatican Exposed: It’s Dark Dark Dark Secret
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Source: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-vatican-exposed-its-dark-dark-dark.html
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https://waitforthedownfall.worpress.com/the-alleged-separation-of-church-and-state/
Holy cow I need new glasses. https://waitfortheownfall.wordpress.com/the-alleged-separation-of-church-and-state/ Sorry for the typo and bad eyesight.
Lucky we have optometerists eh?…Gday Spidey is your eyesight able to see
those latin letters ..
the letters on that Silver Goblet our Vicar of Christ is drinking?
S A N G V E…..the engraved word SANGUE ~ blood…..(Our Pope is drinking BLOOD)
All Christians should learn one LATIN name
DIES SANGUINIS ~Day of Blood…….the Pontus Galatian Attis RITUAL on the 24th March
Then ask the Vatican, is this why Pascua/Pashal /EASTER , changes the day(dies) evry year?
The Christ MASS is always the 25th December. But Easter, the Death & Resurrection, is always the first SUNday MASS, that follows the Hebrew Pashal FULL MOON,that next appears after the 24th March, their *dies sanguinis*
a Baptism by BLOOD, and having a little toast to his Jesus Juice…in a S A N G U E silver goblet.
Sadly the whole world needs a pair of BINNERS
Deano,
The only people who would ever argue against your very valid criticisms in the above post, are Catholics.
But I see you continuously making the mistake of thinking that Catholic rites have anything to do with the written Word of God, which they do not.
If you could separate what you know about Catholicism from what you know about the Bible, you would have taken a giant step toward clarity of vision.
King,
Thanks for validating this point. The head father of Christianity drinking from a Holy Goblet of BLOOD (somebody engraved) is not relevant?
# Apologies all good “catholic’ people & community serving SJs,its the Secret Elite Blood Oath Jesuits I should CLARIFY.
It was actually studying the OT, researching this “WORD of GOD”, that I started finding problems….so for more clarity & vision,studied ancient languages and of course one learns about lands,customs,rituals,wars,disasters, temple practices*, and anything else that was worth recording. On STONE or CLAY TABLETS.
Moses and the Tablets on Mt SInai 
Yes TCB, these texts,these words …the *Lord said*…is the actual words of God, so who wrote them, and in what language?
and knowing a lot of these ancient Sumerian,Akkadian,Phonecian,& of course Egyption stories it is obvious whoever wrote the Bible,used many of them.
Once people realize that CUNIEFORM TABLETS were the International language, many found in Egypt too, the mystery Babylon lies there.
I am a “Student of the Word”….and by NECESSITY….became a
“Student of ALL Words”, and that the very history of the word & man,WRITING,is involved in a cover-up…..
The first thing that started to “Clarify my Vision” was realizing that Biblical or Paleo-Hebrew is identical to PHONECIAN.
Mmmm? Not much history on Phonecia……
But those CEDAR of Lebanon(Byblos) boats? The colour Purple ?
Persian Kings in Sea Battles with Greeks?
and with “illumination”, realized that the Land of Canaan,Milk & Honey(Pastures + Trees) is the Nth Tribes of “Israel”. The artisans,the gods that taught men the skills,to build this Temple of Solomon,the land between Egypt & Babylon, the Royal gods.
You would have to admit in all my posts……
its the TEXTS or WORDS or QUOTES that I am hinting at. The words of men ….and the Babble…and what the ORIGINAL was
Help me then King with these early “Christians”, the ones that followed the “Desert Fathers”(St Amun?) or the “Barren Fathers” in Pontus Galatia(Melito the Eunech, Mithradites Chrestus,Laodice,) in the land of the GALLI priests…the 7 churches….
Philladelphia?……or is that the DELPHI(oracle) of PHILAE…
True! Catholic RITUALs have everything to do with GALLI RITUALS,and not the “Words of Old Gods”….
PSALM 82 : God presides in the great assembly, he gives judgement amongst the gods.
GENESIS 1:26 Let us go down & make man in our own image”
who ADDED 1:27
and so God made man in his own image”
“the Sons of God took the daughters of men”? Arent CHRISTIANS told that God sacrificed his ONLY begotten son Jesus?
and then I discovered to be a Christian…one needs FAITH in a Jesus..
“…and knowing a lot of these ancient Sumerian,Akkadian,Phonecian,& of course Egyption stories it is obvious whoever wrote the Bible,used many of them.”
There’s that claim no one has ever been able to prove around these parts — or anywhere else for that matter — despite monetary bounties offered for proof. If you can prove any of that Deano, you’ll be the first to have EVER done so.
“Help me then King with these early “Christians”, the ones that followed the “Desert Fathers”(St Amun?) or the “Barren Fathers” in Pontus Galatia(Melito the Eunech, Mithradites Chrestus,Laodice,) in the land of the GALLI priests…the 7 churches…”
In the ancient world as today, many who thought they were following The Way have gone astray and followed after deception. Deception isn’t a new thing. Beliar gets up very early indeed and *he’s* been toiling away for a long time now. Then, as now, very few folks alive have actually identified the true to the exclusion of the false.
“Philladelphia?……or is that the DELPHI(oracle) of PHILAE…”
Why do I think you already know that ADELPHOI is Greek for ‘brother’ and PHILO is Greek for a type of ‘love.’
Don’t drive yourself intentionally into the swamp, Deano.
Yep, false religion does abound.
And NESARA and the “dove of oneness”
Was riding that wave like snake pliskin in Escape from L.A…..
spreading that virus like there was no tomorrow.
The Real secret the Vatican tried to erase, is that they are the Temple of SET (“Satan”), which is the branch of Reptiles that invaded. And, “Jesus” is a snake. All religions were created by the Coven Age of Set, and they are part of the “Babylon” Ur slave system. Religion, Money, Corporate Governement.
The ‘Temple of Set’ is the branch of REPTILIANS that invaded.
Fascinating.
Elites…is an…..ANAGRAM…of…SET Lie !
All hidden in plain sight it seems.
This is an old lie. One posted again and again on this site. “Sister Charlotte” is a fraud. Just another protestant attacking the Church.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040109041001/http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/forgeries/charlottewells.html
http://kmerian.blogspot.com/2008/06/false-story-of-sister-charlotte.html
Why do the cath0lics always say things like ” Well the cath0lic church of today isn’t the real cath0lic church”.. Their always going on about the good O’l days.. ” Oh things just aren’t the same since */atican 2 council blah blah blah. You mean your nostalgic for the cath0lic church of 500 years ago?.. The cath0lic church that was burning real Christians at the stake by the hundreds of thousands? And beheading children?.. You mean that catholic church… Whew!! boy those were the good O”l days.
*They’re *
I make spelling mistakes as well. I also leave out whole words, like I did in the comment below.
Come across many Catholics that talk against vatican II, do you? Besides a few on this website, I highly doubt it.
More protestant lies. This one is old as well. In order to be a Christian one has to follow Christ entirely. And to follow Christ entirely one has to follow all His unchangeable truth found both in Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
The Church never put anybody to death, but She did however help with the judging. Punishment was carried out by the State. Very few Christians were put to death e.g. St. Joan of Arc. The rest were HERETICS. “Hundreds of thousands” being put to death is a stretch. All you know about how many that died is what the world tells you. The world is not your friend.
Luke 11:23 “He that is not with me, is against me; and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth.”
James 2:10 “And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all.”
Heresy kills the soul and damns a person to hell. The ending of the inquisitions allowed heresy to spread like wildfire. So much so that it weakened the Church enough for the jewish invasion. The modern world is so corrupted it is falling apart. Most “Catholics” today don’t speak out against vatican II, because most of them were lukewarm to begin and the vast majority, of today, have grown up in it. It is all they know. Catholics today are a remnant. The very same remnant Christ will soon come to save:
Luke 18:7-8 “And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night: and will he have patience in their regard? I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, WHEN HE COMETH, SHALL HE FIND, THINK YOU, FAITH ON EARTH?”
“…to follow Christ entirely one has to follow all His unchangeable truth found both in Scripture and Sacred Tradition.”
The Scripture part you know the non-Catholics get, Trent. It’s the ‘Sacred Tradition’ part. How do you substantiate that claim?
Paul said Scripture is able to make us wise unto salvation which is through faith in Jesus. He told Timothy to adhere to Scripture.
At the time of the apostles, revelation was yet ongoing. Revelation has since ceased — and since the time of the apostles, their revelation has been recorded by them for us in what are now known as the Books of the New Testament. All Scripture is God-breathed. The Catholic Church recognizes that the 66 Books of the Bible are the inspired Word of God. Even early popes did NOT believe the apocryphal books were inspired. I can prove this fact to you if you like.
So if the Church of Rome admits that Scripture is the Word of God, and the Word of God teaches that the Scriptures themselves are able to make us complete, which they do…
…then what of this ‘Sacred Tradition’?
How do you as a non Vatican II Catholic answer this question?
John 16:12-13 “I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you.”
Acts 2:42 “And they were persevering in the DOCTRINE OF THE APOSTLES, and in the communication of the breaking of the bread, and in prayers.”
1Corinthians 11:2 “Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and KEEP MY ORDINANCES as I have delivered them to you.”
2Thessalonians 2:14 (or 2Thessalonians 2:15 KJV:) “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and HOLD THE TRADITIONS which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.”
So the doctrine of the apostles is Marian doctrine? Is the immaculate conception? Is the ascension of Mary?
I don’t think so, Trent. And no one will be able to argue to the contrary very convincingly from Scripture.
As I said above — the apostles were in the process of RECEIVING revelation during the time leading up to when the New Testament Books were written. After that, revelation ceased — as even the pre-Vatican II Church of Rome admits.
No, Trent — we find nothing in Scripture about any extra traditions which must be adhered to as the Word of God. But what we do find in Scripture are verses like this:
1 Corinthians 4:6
I have applied all of these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit brothers, that you may learn by usnot to go beyond WHAT IS WRITTEN, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against the other.
We find that, and plenty of Catholic authorities making claims to the contrary.
‘So the doctrine of the apostles is Marian doctrine? Is the immaculate conception? Is the ascension of Mary?”
Yes. It is a part of it.
“No, Trent — we find nothing in Scripture about any extra traditions..”
Extra Traditions?? Protestants abhor Tradition period. They call it “traditions of men.” And I am sure that is your stance as well. What Tradition do you hold? You just read the Bible and “believe” in Jesus. Paul in 2 Thessalonians says to hold to Tradition learned by word OR by epistle. Epistles, the written word, make up the Bible, but there is more. There is what has been received by the word of mouth. That is Catholic Tradition.
Asked if the apostles conveyed Marian tradition to the disciples, Trent replied:
“Yes. It is a part of it.”
Trent, we’re not talking opinion here. What EVIDENCE do you have that ANY of the apostles EVER conveyed even a small part of Marian doctrine to the disciples? What evidence from Scripture?
“Extra Traditions?? Protestants abhor Tradition period. They call it “traditions of men”…”
That’s because Jesus called them the traditions of men and Bible-believing Protestants are doing as they have seen their Savior do.
“And I am sure that is your stance as well.”
I’m not a Protestant, Trent. Are you sure about any of my positions apart from my belief that Catholicism is rank heresy? I adhere to Sola Scripture and Tota Scriptura. Of that you can be sure. And nothing I say is meant to insult you personally, Trent. I view you as an honest fellow who means to do what is right according to the Word of God. I hold no animosity for you personally. Not at all. I mean that sincerely.
“What Tradition do you hold?”
The traditions which are easily supportable with verses of Scripture. Any other traditions I might have are non-dogmatic, non-doctrinal things which have no real bearing on this conversation.
“You just read the Bible and “believe” in Jesus.”
Yes, Trent. I encountered two men in my studies (not personally) whom I revere as two of the most intelligent men to have ever lived. And they were both Bible-believers. Because of this, I bought a Bible and began to study it, thinking that if two such brilliant men revere the Book, then they must know something I don’t know. Which they did.
I always believed in God. I was raised nominal-Catholic and then became a Traditionalist Catholic member of the SSPX. This I did as a result of my belief at the time that the Catholic Church traced its roots back to the apostles. But I took nothing for granted and soon learned that claim is patently false on its face and provably so. I continued to study Scripture and learned of even more wild inconsistencies between the Church of Rome and the Word of God. The popes claim an authority they cannot prove. The popes claim the authority to CHANGE the Word of God. The rabbis make the same claim. This they both do because their own teaching is at irreconcilable odds with the Scriptures. But the Word of God cannot be changed, Trent. Not by ANY MAN. EVER. God has said so Himself, repeatedly, and He has spoken with authority. We either believe what God has said or we believe the claims of MEN. I will never accept the claims of men over the Word of God — and for this reason I fled the Catholic Church and have not looked back since.
“Paul in 2 Thessalonians says to hold to Tradition learned by word OR by epistle.”
That’s right Trent. Because at the time, there was NO New Testament yet written and put into circulation. The apostles were still at that time in the process of receiving revelation. But after that, revelation ceased. Revelation is now contained in the written Word of God ONLY. We have no other source of material, ANYWHERE, which can be considered THEOPNEUSTOS — that is, God-breathed. The Scriptures ONLY are theopneustos and can never be overruled by any other authority, because there is no authority higher authority and God will never overrule Himself.
“Epistles, the written word, make up the Bible, but there is more.”
You will NEVER be able to prove that, Trent. And absent any such proof which you will ever find, you will be held accountable for your decision to ignore God’s own personal instructions to all of us that nothing of the kind is true.
“There is what has been received by the word of mouth.”
It has all been written. ALL of it. Everything we need to make us COMPLETE and to make our salvation sure. God has said so Himself. Why won’t you believe Him?
“That is Catholic Tradition.”
Anathema. Let it be cursed.
“Trent, we’re not talking opinion here. What EVIDENCE do you have that ANY of the apostles EVER conveyed even a small part of Marian doctrine to the disciples? What evidence from Scripture?”
Well, for one, Mary being Immaculate is in the Bible. You were already shown before. Mary being full of saving Grace before Christ was conceived. As for other things about Her, you want me to show you in Scripture what was past down orally. Yeah, ok.
“That’s because Jesus called them the traditions of men and Bible-believing Protestants are doing as they have seen their Savior do.”
Catholic Tradition comes from God through the Apostles based on what Christ told them and revelation. St. Paul says to follow their Traditions. If Jesus is against Tradition that would place him at odds with the Apostles, or at least St. Paul. Meaning that none of St. Paul’s epistles would be in the Bible. Jesus was referring to changes the jews made to judaism. The jews love to change what God has ordained. They are consistent to the end. Furthermore, you admit protestants do not follow the Word of God (the whole of the Bible is the Word of God, is it not?) and are therefore not Christians.
“I’m not a Protestant, Trent.”
If speaking out against the Catholic Church is not protesting against Her, than what is?
“I adhere to Sola Scripture and Tota Scriptura.”
This view is not supported in Scripture. Not anywhere.
“I hold no animosity for you personally. Not at all. I mean that sincerely.”
Likewise.
“The traditions which are easily supportable with verses of Scripture. Any other traditions I might have are non-dogmatic, non-doctrinal things which have no real bearing on this conversation.”
That is not an answer. That is dodging. You already admitted that protestants don’t follow Tradition. You all just read the Bible and “believe” in Jesus. Whether you consider yourself a protestant, or not, you worded it in such a way that is in agreement.
“Yes, Trent.”
No, sorry. It takes more. Receiving the Sacraments (in Scripture,) being in the church He established that has St. Peter as the first steward (in Scripture,) repenting of sins (in Scripture,) practicing of virtues (in Scripture,) prayer (in Scripture,) penance (in Scripture) and following Tradition (in Scripture.)
“I continued to study Scripture and learned of even more wild inconsistencies between the Church of Rome and the Word of God.”
There are none.
“The popes claim the authority to CHANGE the Word of God.”
Catholicism is both Scripture and Tradition. Catholicism cannot change. It is something the jews tried to do at Vatican II. They only spawned a new religion. The Pope is only second in command. Christ is Head of the Church. No Catholic Pope claimed the authority change Scripture. The VII Popes, that is another story.
“The rabbis make the same claim.”
Of course they do.
“But the Word of God cannot be changed, Trent. Not by ANY MAN. EVER.”
Yep.
“Because at the time, there was NO New Testament yet written..”
The Gospels were already written when St. Paul wrote the Epistles:
Romans 1:16-17 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek. For the justice of God is revealed therein, from faith unto faith, as it is written: The just man liveth by faith.”
“…and put into circulation.”
Correct it wasn’t in circulation. Just reading the Bible doesn’t doesn’t save. It wasn’t compiled until 325 and could not have been mass produced until the printing press was invented in the year 1440. A fact I presented to you before. One you glossed over.
“You will NEVER be able to prove that, Trent.”
I do with Romans 1:16-17 and 2 Thessalonians 2:14. The Gospels were already written when St. Paul wrote his Epistles. So, there is the written Word and the spoken Word.
“Anathema. Let it be cursed.”
Cursing the things of God will not fare well for you.
“Well, for one, Mary being Immaculate is in the Bible. You were already shown before. Mary being full of saving Grace before Christ was conceived.”
There is nothing in Scripture of the kind, Trent. If there is, then show it to me. And it would help matters if you actually provided verses which said plainly what you argue they say. Your habit is to point to verses which must be interpreted along the lines of what Rome teaches, but which otherwise convey a very different meaning.
“Catholic Tradition comes from God through the Apostles based on what Christ told them and revelation. St. Paul says to follow their Traditions.”
We know what Paul said because he wrote it for us. Thus we can prove it. You can prove nothing other than what Paul wrote. Therefore you have nothing of substance upon which to lean for your assertions that ANYTHING other than the written Word of God, which God says is ALL SUFFICIENT to our salvation, is need by anyone.
Jesus is against the traditions of men. The Catholic traditions are traditions of men. Therefore, Jesus is against all Catholic traditions.
“If speaking out against the Catholic Church is not protesting against Her, than what is?”
Fair enough. If it makes you happy to quantify me as a Protestant, then you may do so.
I wrote:
“I adhere to Sola Scripture and Tota Scriptura.”
Trent responded:
“This view is not supported in Scripture. Not anywhere.”
I already quoted Scripture to prove otherwise. Scripture is able to make us complete. Scripture is able to make us wise unto salvation. These things Paul wrote when he was under the inspiration of the Spirit. These things are the Word of God. Jesus Himself quoted Scripture extensively when asked or accused. Jesus Himself said things like: Have you not READ what God SAID to you? That is, the written Word is no different than the spoken Word. And Trent…
…at NO TIME did Jesus say anything to anyone about observing traditions – except when He spoke in accusation of traditions. Jesus taught from the Scriptures and He quoted Scripture. He never spoke in defense of any tradition.
You asked me about my traditions. I suggested that my traditions are nothing. Certainly my traditions (if I have any, which I must, but I can’t think what they are) DO NOT compare to the Word of God. That was my point, to which you responded:
“That is not an answer. That is dodging.”
No it isn’t. I hold tradition in low esteem, Trent. That is all.
“You already admitted that protestants don’t follow Tradition.”
At no time have I said or admitted anything of the kind. I am not here to defend protestants or Protestantism. I am here to defend the Word of God. (Presumptuously, of course, because the Word of God needs no defense. Not from anyone.)
“You all just read the Bible and “believe” in Jesus. Whether you consider yourself a protestant, or not, you worded it in such a way that is in agreement.”
How else are we to come to believe in Jesus, if not by reading (or hearing read to us) the Words which He has recorded for us? There is no other way, apart from private revelation. And I do not believe anyone in this day who claims private revelation. I believe everyone today who claims private revelation is deceived by the Enemy or is a liar.
“No, sorry. It takes more. Receiving the Sacraments (in Scripture,)…”
Your institution’s vain interpretation of Scripture leads to their erroneous ideas about sacraments. There isn’t anything in the Word to actually support those non-biblical rites.
“…Peter as the first steward (in Scripture,)…”
Right. That’s in Scripture. What’s not in Scripture, or anywhere else for that matter, is anything even REMOTELY conceivable as real evidence that would tie Peter with the Church of Rome. That imaginary tie did not come until FIVE HUNDRED YEARS later. As much we can prove.
“…repenting of sins (in Scripture,) practicing of virtues (in Scripture,) prayer (in Scripture,) penance (in Scripture)…”
None of it has to do with Catholicism. Rome only lays claim to things it has no right to claim. Because Rome is an impostor.
I wrote:
“…wild inconsistencies between the Church of Rome and the Word of God.”
Trent responded:
“There are none.”
Christ died once for all. Rome lies and says Christ dies over and over and over, every time there is a mass. Rome lies and says you must repeatedly partake of the mass, otherwise your soul will die. The Word says Christ’s Sacrifice was ALL SUFFICIENT and does not need to be repeated. Ever. Rome lies and directly contradicts the entire Letter to the Hebrews. Read it carefully.
I have other concerns to which I must attend and will not have time to finish my response to your reply until later on this evening. But I do intend to continue this conversation.
“Catholicism is both Scripture and Tradition. Catholicism cannot change.”
GOOD GRIEF MAN!!! Are you really going to stand by that assertion when the succession of popes (who all left written records of their proclamations, by the way) have ruled and overruled each other since long before the Second Vatican Council? Catholicism changes like the wind. What you need is a strong study of church history. The early church fathers (that is, going back to the early second century) left us with copious notes, records and letters. We don’t have to wonder what these men believed – we can read about it in their own words. Ever read Irenaeus? How about Ignatius of Antioch? Polycarp? Clement? Do you think for even a second that ANY of these men wrote a single jot or tittle about ANY Marian doctrine? Do you think they wrote about ANY succession of popes, or whether there even was known to them such a thing as a pope? I will answer for you, Trent. The answer is a resounding NO in all cases. Why? Because there was no such thing as any Catholic Church when those men lived and wrote. That’s why. There was only the Word of God. Marian doctrines were not codified until some FIVE HUNDRED YEARS later. And since then, the popes have changed doctrine many times, as any serious student of these matters will easily discover for himself.
“The Pope is only second in command. Christ is Head of the Church.”
Yeah, well, the pope pretends to be the VICAR. He pretends to be Christ on Earth. And you’re a traditionalist, so I know you’re familiar with the term alter-Christos. Care to explain that one to me right here on a public board?
“No Catholic Pope claimed the authority change Scripture.”
FALSE. But one example: The day of Sabbath observance was changed from the Seventh Day to our modern (Gregorian – yet another perversion and CHANGE of Scripture) calendar. NO MAN has the authority to make such a change, Trent. But it is the popes who effected that change, and they did it LONG before the Second Vatican Council. Do you dare to deny any of this? We’ll go right to the record if you do, as I expect you know.
“The VII Popes, that is another story.”
No. Not another story. The same story, if perhaps told at a brisker pace.
“The Gospels were already written when St. Paul wrote the Epistles…”
I have no reason to dispute that claim Trent, but you will never be able to prove it from Scripture. Certainly the passage you quoted does nothing to prove it. But there’s really nothing for us to argue about here because clearly the New Testament hadn’t been completed and compiled yet. But now that it has and now that revelation has ceased, there is NO NEED whatsoever for any so-called additional traditions, without which we can never rightly comprehend the Word of God. That very claim is nonsense and it makes a liar of God who has spoken explicitly to the contrary.
“Just reading the Bible doesn’t doesn’t save.”
Correct. We have to read the Bible and believe the Bible. THAT IS ALL. And when you say anything else you speak contrary to the Word which says the SCRIPTURES are able to make us wise unto SALVATION which is through FAITH (that is, belief) in CHRIST.
“It wasn’t compiled until 325 and could not have been mass produced until the printing press was invented in the year 1440.”
None of this prevented the apostles and the disciples from proliferating the written Word wherever they went. Scribes were in high demand in those days, which is one reason for why we have so many early copies of all the New Testament Books.
“A fact I presented to you before. One you glossed over.”
What’s to gloss over? You think because the Church of Rome was (arguably) the first authority to put all the Books together and wrap a single leather binding around them, that before such a thing was ever done there was no Bible? You don’t want to go there, friend. The Bible was carried in its entirety by the apostles and disciples in the form of scrolls, stacks, leaves and/or multiple bound volumes. They had hand-sewn bindings for early books and they had no problem at all making copies to disburse to the four corners of the Earth. The Bible, as we know it today, existed from the very instant John wrote the final NU in the Greek word AMEN as he completed chapter 20 and verse 21 of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Let’s keep things in order here. First you wrote:
“Epistles, the written word, make up the Bible, but there is more.”
To which I responded:
“You will NEVER be able to prove that, Trent.”
And your reply:
“I do with Romans 1:16-17 and 2 Thessalonians 2:14.”
You did no such thing. To prove your point with Scripture, Scripture has to say exactly what you say and say it plainly. But YOU are asking everyone to interpret those verses as meaning what the Church of Rome tells you they mean, because you have no recourse to plainly worded verses which say what you are saying. It is PLAINLY WRITTEN in Scripture that the Scriptures ALONE are sufficient to make us wise unto Salvation. That fact admits of NO dispute from you or from anyone else. See? That is what plainly-worded means. That verse (2 Timothy 3:15) does not leave room for interpretation and indeed it needs none. But the verses you point to in support of Catholic doctrine can ALWAYS be interpreted in several ways. There is NOTHING in Scripture which demonstrates conclusively that yours is the correct interpretation. We just have to take your word for it, or the word of Rome. But we’ve been warned never to play by such rules, haven’t we. We’ve been warned to take our lessons from the Word of God ONLY and to seek to NO OTHER SOURCE for our instruction. So? How sayeth that source?
Thus sayeth the Scriptures:
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness that the man of God may be COMPLETE, equipped for EVERY good work…
Now THAT is what the truth looks like.
Again, Trent – you can try as you like but the written Word in this case will admit of NO dispute. Anyone can look at those words and know precisely what they mean. We need no outside help in determining how the above words written by Paul are meant to be understood. There is no room for some alternate interpretation because the Holy Spirit has inspired Paul to convey his message in such a way that leaves NO ROOM FOR DOUBT.
And THAT, my friend, is the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, as taught to us directly from the Scriptures themselves. No man in a fancy robe or a silly hat can tell us otherwise…
…unless we ignore the expressed and specific and plainly-worded instructions of God that we NEVER do such a thing.
“The Gospels were already written when St. Paul wrote his Epistles. So, there is the written Word and the spoken Word.”
Wrong. The New Testament is finished and it is finished in exactly the way God intended it to be finished. He told us He would protect His Word and indeed He has. He hasn’t left us to wonder about ANY of this, Trent. He has given us all the answers we’ll ever need in this world. Do with His word as you will. As for me and my house, we will serve THE LORD. And we’ll do it the way He instructed us to do it – never letting any man or institution of men tell us about some OTHER WAY.
Step wisely my friend.
If it’s all lies why do Nazi symbols correspond with R0man cath0lic symbols. Why were so many of Hitlers henchmen R0man cath0lics?.. Were they aspiring to be of Christ likeness and just got side tracked with that little Nazi thing?? Why was JP 2 a zycl0n gas salesman??.. Why was RAT Zinger a Bad little Nazi b0y?? … Is this all of Christ. These are the questions inquiring minds need to know.
Now natzis all of a sudden. You wrote nothing of them before. No “symbols” don’t correspond.
Hitler had his own doctrines, therefore, he was the head of his own religion. He was deep into the occult. Any followers of him were in his religion. Catholicism condemns occultism.
John XXIII and the Popes afterward where/are masons (jews) or under their control. They did not/do not profess the Catholic Faith. Again, they made a NEW RELIGION at the second vatican council. New doctrines & new mass.
Never put anyone to death??…that’s ridiculous, even jp2 admitted to in his mia c0lpa back in 2000. The R0man cath0lic church has killed and t0rtured untold millions of people over the last 1500 years. I’m not even going to waste my time posting links. I do have question for though: Are you a Je$uit agent??
Oh, even the jew controlled JP2 (one who did not profess the Catholic Faith) agrees. Well, i stand corrected!!
Yes, yes. Catholics killed everybody in the world.
“I’m not even going to waste my time posting links.”
Thank you.
The MODERN Jesuit order is no different than a masonic lodge. So no I am not a Jesuit. I’m a Catholic.
@cTrent33 You’re cath0lic, so I assume you make the sign 0f the cr0ss. OK if I might ask you to do an experiment for me (and you). Go in front of a mirror with a tape measure and then make the S0TC, measure all the points that you touched on your body , and then review those measurements, and you will find that you have made an upside down cross.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S48Xm5N2Bb0
Yes, never really thought about it until around a year ago. I have been since going down to my belly button. Problem solved.
@CTrent33 If you go to your belly button, then you would probably be making the + sign of Baal like on those little wafers
My head is not as big as my chest and my abdomen.
++(crucifix wave), ~~~~(Holywater) Baa Baa(Gregorian chant) ………In the name of Truth BE GONE Daimon!
Council of Trent was hoax. Posting Babble on this site again. Masonic 33 order. A fraud to Society. Just another Catholic Defender of Faith. The New testament Babble.
Behold his HELL avatar. The Sacred Heart; burning on the Inqisition Bonfires.
My HEART on FIRE about those Satanic Catholic Cardinals that rape our Children….in the name of Jesus.
WHERE IS THE HEAD OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OF AUSTRALIA ……
Cardinal Pell from Hell. Known Pedophile Priest protector. Confirmed HU$H money payments.Escapes Commonwealth Laws. Missing from Child SEX ABUSE Commission. Now in Vatican~HIDING.
ROCK SPIDER , predator in a Frock & Anal Beads, a WEB of ENTRAPMENT
No Apology Allowed! Hand him Over! or the VATICAN EXPOSED by the Grigori
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Hi all,
I grew up RC and went to parochial schools. Not exactly convent life, but still, we were never given permission to lie or steal any amount of money, let alone up to 40.00! We not only had our catechism, we also had a bible and were encouraged to read it.
I know that the catholic church is not the same from parish to parish, even though they are roman catholic. So what this woman experienced (if she truly did) is not the same as all catholic convents. So, I don’t know if she is in error in saying it is the same for all catholics and their convents, or if she is being purposely deceptive in her sing song southern voice.
Keep pump’n. You may get there. TBBP. DGIT.
I like the setup with preserved history, magnificent mesmerising paintings, fine & excellent examples of gilded architecture, rare artefacts. I also appreciate, that you offer these for public viewing for free. Would like to spend few months there in the near future.
You can check. The Vatican rules the world! The devil is our hero -> http://www.atx-netzteile.de/es-ist-der-teufel-los.html
Most like the Zionists rule the world. Right out of Israel. The Vatican definitely has a lot to do with it, but it’s best to go for the head of the snake. If you go for the middle or tail… you get bit.