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Retired Priest: ‘Hell’ Was Invented by the Church to Control People With Fear

Wednesday, January 11, 2017 20:15
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This video is of an interview retired Episcopal bishop John Shelby Spong did with Keith Morrison of Dateline NBC back in August of 2006.

A partial transcript of the interview can be found beneath the video link:

Spong: I don’t think Hell exists. I happen to believe in life after death, but I don’t think it’s got a thing to do with reward and punishment. Religion is always in the control business, and that’s something people don’t really understand. It’s in a guilt-producing control business. And if you have Heaven as a place where you’re rewarded for you goodness, and Hell is a place where you’re punished for your evil, then you sort of have control of the population. And so they create this fiery place which has quite literally scared the Hell out of a lot of people, throughout Christian history. And it’s part of a control tactic.

 

Morrison: But wait a minute. You’re saying that Hell, the idea of a place under the earth or somewhere you’re tormented for an eternity – is actually an invention of the church?

 

Spong: I think the church fired its furnaces hotter than anybody else. But I think there’s a sense in most religious life of reward and punishment in some form. The church doesn’t like for people to grow up, because you can’t control grown-ups. That’s why we talk about being born again. When you’re born again, you’re still a child. People don’t need to be born again. They need to grow up. They need to accept their responsibility for themselves and the world.

Morrison: What do you make of the theology which is pretty quite prominent these days in America, which is there is one guaranteed way not to go to hell; And that is to accept Jesus as your personal savior.

Spong: Yeah, I grew up in that tradition. Every church I know claims that ‘we are the true church’ – that they have some ultimate authority, ‘We have the infallible Pope,’ We have the Bible.’… The idea that the truth of God can be bound in any human system, by any human creed, by any human book, is almost beyond imagination for me.

I mean, God is not a Christian. God is not a Jew or a Muslim or a Hindi or Buddhist. All of those are human systems, which human beings have created to try to help us walk into the mystery of God. I honor my tradition. I walk through my tradition. But I don’t think my tradition defines God. It only points me to God.

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  • Spikey Norman

    He is absolutely correct.
    And it has taken him his entire ecclesiastical career to finally wake up to the real truth.

    The God Consciousness definitely exists, and it is open to absolutely everyone.
    You don’t need a priest, rabbi, ju-ju man or ayatollah to find and connect to The God Consciousness.

    ALL organised religion places itself between mankind and God, as a mechanism of financial profit, control, and exploitation.

    Come to my church, give me your money, and drop your pants and bend over, and I will show you how much god loves you.
    Kill and maim for the love of Allah.
    Steal bomb, lie, and make war by deception, it’s what Jehovah wants for his people.
    And don’t tell anyone or you will go to hell.

    Its all bullshit.
    Lead a simple pure moral life, genuinely seek God, and shun the ecclesiastics of all religions. They have all been totally infiltrated and corrupted by evil.

    • VirusGuard

      “The God Consciousness”

      Never met the guy or the programers of this simulation so maybe he is us and we are him !

      what i can confilm not that i was looking is that our soles for want of a better word belong in groups (500-2000, no time to count them all) at a guess and they do this mind meld thing, one sees, all sees and feels too and that is much better than sex not that i got to see more than a few seconds worth.

      This for some strange reason was shown to me when i was very young, no drugs involved and at the time i was asking no questions or seeking any answers so god knows why i was picked

      Spikey Norman

      Please read this twice because i have a feeling it might mean something to you if you look.

      • smfresh82

        The kundalini serpent lies coiled at the base of the spine. Through meditation, the fiery serpent ascends. This is what is known as “Raising the Devil.” There are 33 vertebrae in the in the human spinal column. We often hear the term “33rd degree Mason” or that Jesus lived 33 years. The kundalini serpent ascends the 33 vertebrae of the spine.

        The original religions centered around the reverence for the serpent. The serpent is the symbol of the kundalini. *The “Tree of Knowledge” is really the map of the human soul. It is seen in nearly every ancient religion pre-dating Judeo/Christianity*. The trunk symbolizes the spine, and the branches symbolize the chakras and the kundalini pathways. There are *144,000* nadis (channels for the kundalini life force) within the human soul.

        Sexuality, which is the primary aspect of the life force, automatically came under intense scrutiny by the church. Orgasm directly stimulates the kundalini serpent the base of the spine. The creative energy needed to produce another human life can be used to revamp one’s life force which advances and empowers one’s soul. Obviously sexual activity could not be prohibited, so fear was used to place it under strict regulation. Intercourse was only to produce children and nothing more. Nakedness became a sin because it led to lust. Anything that had to do with the raising of the kundalini was severely attacked by the church.

        *The Budda sat beneath the “Bo Tree” and achieved enlightenment. “Bo means serpent, as in Bo-A or Boo-Ta*. The Christian Church stole, twisted and corrupted everything they could from the original religions. The fig tree was known as “The Tree of Wisdom” Ficus religiosa. The Christian church corrupted this with the placing of fig leaves over the genitals of Adam and Eve.

        “Satan” in Hebrew means “enemy” and “adversary.”
        Now, the word “Satan” goes back much, much further than the Hebrew definition.
        In India, there is a town by the name of “Satana.”

        “Satnam” and “Sa Ta Na Ma” are sacred mantras used in kundalini (serpent) meditation. The five primal sounds in Ancient Sanskrit, one of the oldest known languages are “SA-TA-NA-MA.” “Sa” means infinity; Ta means life; Na means death; and Ma means rebirth. *All variations of the name “SATAN” mean TRUTH in Sanskrit, which is one of the world’s oldest and most ancient of languages*.

        All of this has to do with the kundalini life force *(the serpent)* within us. “Jacob’s coat of colors” in the bible is the aura. The number seven is the chakras. The interpreters of the old grimoires have it all wrong about the “seven planets.” The ancients knew much more than given credit for regarding astronomy.
        Anyone familiar with Chinese medicine and advanced martial arts is aware of the chi (the life force, same as the kundalini) and how it is more active in certain pathways in the body on certain days and hours

        *The authors of alchemy texts in those days put their writings in codes in order to escape persecution by the church*.

        The sun was another object of veneration for the original religions. This was because of the pure, raw power it bestowed and as it is the source of all life. Drawing down the moon or absorbing energy from the stars is nothing compared to what can be done under the sun, given the knowledge and training

        The Mayan calendar is based on different time periods characterized by different spiritual qualities and when we go from one of these periods to another, a shift in consciousness takes place. Up until the year 2011 the Long Count wave consisted of thirteen so-called baktuns (time periods of *144,000* days or 394.3 common years), which shifted between seven peaks (or days) and six valleys (or nights).

        http://www.theeventchronicle.com/metaphysics/spiritual/cosmic-rays-evolve-consciousness-transform-dna/

        Number 33 is a Master Number (Master Teacher)
        Number 33 also relates to 3×3=9 which is the power of creation and the God of All or Truth. The Amon (AMEN).
        33 is the numerical equivalent of AMEN: 1+13+5+14=33. Amen is the God of Truth.
        33 represents Christ consciousness.
        Jesus was crucified at Golgotha (place of the skull) at age 33 in the year 33 A.D.
        God corresponds to 1/3 (33.3%) as seen in Revelation 12, where the great red dragon is sweeping 1/3 of the stars from heaven.

        The number of turns in a complete sequence of human DNA equals 33.
        Mount Hermon is at 33 degrees latitude and longitude. (In the Book of Enoch, Mount Hermon is the place where the Grigori; “Watchers, Sons of God or the Nephilim,” descended to Earth.-
        The first Temple of Solomon stood for 33 years before being pillaged by King Shishak of Egypt.
        King David ruled over Israel for 33 years in Jerusalem.
        33 is the alleged age that Alexander the Great (Alexander of Macedonia) had died.
        The Grand Orient de France of Freemasonry founded in 1733.
        33 is the highest degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry.
        Harry S. Truman, a 33 degree Mason, became 33rd President of the United States.
        1933, Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany.
        A normal human spine has 33 vertebrae.
        Rare human spines have 34 vertebrae.
        The human foot has 33 muscles.
        Jacob had 33 sons and daughters
        Two interpenetrating triangles whose apexes point in opposite directions form the hexagram of the Star of David (3 + 3 = 6)
        *1947 Roswell crash was along the 33rd parallel*

        Why are so many significant ancient and historic sites located along the 33rd parallel?
        the JFK assassination is only one among many calculated murders that have happened along, or close to, the 33rd Parallel. The number of murders of people of high position and key witnesses along the 33rd Parallel is significant. *In addition, the three most well-known centers of paranormal activity are on or near the 33rd Parallel: Atlantis, the Great Pyramids, and the Bermuda Triangle*.

        _The 33rd parallel is a path of power across the globe, a circuit that links both time and space in order to vitalize the dynamo of a mystery we are just now beginning to realize_.
        *The ancients discovered a ley line sort of dragon energy corresponding to this latitude, and constructed temples and sacred cities in order to utilize this terrestrial chi*

        Jeremiah 33:3 – Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.

        Ezekiel 33:33 – And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.

        “In Spiritual Numerology, ’33′ symbolizes the highest spiritual conscious attainable by the human being.”-Elizabeth van Buren, “The Secret of the Illuminati” (161-2)

        “If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.”
        -Nikola Tesla

        The brain has the ability to receive, give off, and manipulate radio waves.

        If you hold a glass or a shell to your ear, the static-like hissing sound (like the sound of rushing air) is the glass or shell acting as a container and “capturing” the radio sound waves that the brain is giving off. The brain has a telepathic receiver and transmitter that uses sound waves. In fact, thoughts are simply scalar sound waves that most people cannot see but are very real.

        Hence “Tele”pathy, “ Tele”visions, and “Tele”phones.

        *_Sound is the secret of life, and PHD scientists who work for the NSA know this well_*. That is why advanced physics is kept so secret and out of the public domain.

        There has recently been a film released called The Secret, which claims that a person can create the reality around them using their thoughts.

        http://prepareforchange.net/2016/12/13/how-thoughts-create-atoms-and-emotions-formulate-time/

        http://www.theeventchronicle.com/metaphysics/metascience/everything-sound-light-consciousness-confined-holographic-simulation/

        Since our thoughts as a collective actually create our reality, the only hell is the one we create ourselves on 3d earth.

        http://truththeory.com/2015/12/05/quantum-theory-proves-that-consciousness-moves-to-another-universe-after-death/

        All matter is light-energy that vibrates at a certain frequency. Full consciousness exists in this energy and this is why matter can be influenced by DNA or the human brain for example. All knowledge, thoughts and intentions on a planet together form the collective consciousness. Our society is a reflection of our collective consciousness.

        “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”
        -Nikola Tesla

        “Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter.”
        -Albert Einstein

        “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
        -Albert Einstein

        TESLA: I wanted to illuminate the whole earth. There is enough electricity to become a second sun. Light would appear around the equator as a ring around Saturn.
        Mankind is not ready for the great and good. In Colorado Springs, I soaked the earth by electricity. Also, we can water the other energies, such as positive mental energy. They are in the music of Bach or Mozart, or in the verses of great poets. In the Earth’s interior, there is energy of Joy, Peace and Love. Their expressions are a flower that grows from the Earth, the food we get out of her and everything that makes man’s homeland. I’ve spent years looking for the way that this energy could influence people. The beauty and the scent of roses can be used as a medicine and the sun rays as food. Life has an infinite number of forms, and the duty of scientists is to find them in every form of matter.

        http://www.freedomtek.org/en/texts/nikola_tesla_interview_1899.php

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXPdmQUfezw —6 tones of God’s creation

        http://foreverconscious.com/sound-healing-528hz-the-frequency-of-love-and-miracles

        http://humansarefree.com/2016/09/healing-with-sound-in-ancient-temples.html

        http://www.theeventchronicle.com/media/informational/coherent-light-biophoton-can-heal-cancer-and-other-
        diseases/

        http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-sacred-geometry-of-sound-and.html

        The number 666 relates to the carbon atom, and man_. Carbon-12; one of 5 elements in the human DNA is composed of 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, which equates to *666*.

        Carbon-12 is the most abundant of the two stable isotopes of the element carbon, accounting for 98.89% of carbon. Its abundance is due to the Triple-alpha process by which it is created in stars, and as Carl Sagan had once said, *“we’re made of star stuff.

        12 gates of heaven-12 stranded double helix divine human DNA blueprint*–(also refers to the 12 cranial nerves which regulate touch, taste, smell, sight, hearing, balance, movement, and much more. They are responsible for how you interact with and interpret your environment. In other words, they help define your reality.

        The English name carbon, comes from the Latin carbo for coal and charcoal, whence also comes the French charbon, meaning charcoal. Proof of 666 is found in the bible via Isaiah 6:6 – “Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. ” The name Seraphim meaning “the burning ones”, are the first hierarchy of angels who some call demons that were Cherubim and Thrones. Beelzebub was a prince of the Seraphim, just below Lucifer.

        *Lucifer is another word for phosphorus*. The Latin word corresponding to Greek Phosphorus is “Lucifer.” Phosphorus (Greek Φωσφόρος Phōsphoros), a name meaning “Light-Bringer”, is the Morning Star. When phosphorus is combined with the elements below and carbon, it forms our very DNA.

        When combined with oxygen and hydrogen, carbon can form many groups of important biological compounds, including sugars, lignans, chitins, alcohols, fats, aromatic esters, carotenoids and terpenes. With nitrogen it forms alkaloids, and with the addition of sulfur it also forms antibiotics, amino acids, and rubber products. With the addition of phosphorus to these other elements, it forms DNA and RNA, the chemical-code carriers of life, and adenosine triphosphate (ATP), the most important energy-transfer molecule in all living cell.

        Nucleotides are biological molecules that form the building blocks of nucleic acids (DNA and RNA). Each nucleotide has three components: a phosphate group, a five-carbon sugar, and a nitrogen-containing base. The phosphate groups and the sugars form the backbone of each strand of DNA or RNA. The phosphate is a component of DNA, RNA, ATP, and also the phospholipids that form all cell membranes. Phosphorus (Lucifer) is just the ‘spark’ in our DNA that makes us fire.

        When the 666 of Carbon is combined with the elements above and mixed with Lucifer, AKA Phosp-*Horus*, we get a combination or reaction of chemical elements that forms DNA and RNA. This magical god given chemical-code carrier is the very code for all life, and of course, it is the number of a man; his number is 6 neutrons, 6 protons, and 6 electrons, Six hundred threescore and six (666). Various chemical elements when combined with Carbon, forms our very material reality, or what some may call, *the Matrix*.

        http://humansarefree.com/2016/10/tech-billionaires-now-asking-scientists.html

        John the Baptist said of the coming Antichrist and the Number of the Beast: “ Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast : for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

        the truth is that this number was passed down to us for the *Apocalypse (unveiling of something hidden)*, to help us identify this beast man with the mathematical number 666

  • VirusGuard

    Yes he is right to say that

  • petebin

    Yes, we all know it. So fair play to him if he is still alive.

  • pulltabjunkie

    And cue all the crystal worshipping, consciousness preaching, bible denying idiots in 3,2,1…..

  • Martus

    Do what you will and you will end up in HELL!

    True a lot of religious leaders have preached about Hell to gain wealth, influence but these very same leader will find themselves there because it is only in follow Jesus that you are saved from Hell. If Jesus does not take your sins away there is no amount of money that can get you out of there.

    Many people have been shown Hell and come back to tell about it, to warn about it as Jesus Himself did. Read the free online book “A Divine Revelation of Hell” by K Baxter as it is pretty descriptive of what she saw over 20? nights. It is free and she is not trying to get you into any church as far as I know.

    The Fallen angels, demons and those that have turned their backs on God are all waiting for another fool to torment in Hell so do yourself a favor and read the book or do a search for others that have been there and lived to tell the tale.

    I have seen a demon and the throne room in Heaven and have no wish to experience Hell at all, these demons are nasty but the fallen angels even make these demons run for cover due to the amount of torment they inflict on them.

    If you ever end up in Hell YOU will regret ever existing!

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