Norio Hayakawa who has spent decades investigating Area 51 and UFOs. One of his main focuses has been on the alleged secret base in Dulce, New Mexico, as well as cattle mutilations in that area. In 1990, he created the Civilian Intelligence News Service which he calls “a citizens’ oversight committee on government accountability, a grassroots watchdog group established to help ensure liberty, justice and freedom of information for all.”
He’s been to Dulce many times and he’s yet to see evidence of an underground base. He reminds us that people survive on myths and beliefs.
He now lives near Albuquerque, having relocated from Los Angeles. He tells us that New Mexico has the highest number of scientists per population of anywhere in the United States. It’s the fifth largest state but the population is only two million, which provides lots of room to conduct military tests. It’s the site of the first atomic test in the world and White Sands Missile Range. He also mentions the paranormal beliefs of the Native Americans in the area.
Norio says that religious people tend to believe in the paranormal and scientific people believe in the physical reality of things.
Talk then turns to abductions and cattle mutilations, which has Norio delving into the psychological aspect of the phenomena. Until there’s tangible evidence, they’re just stories.
Michaels question about cattle mutilations causes Norio to bring up 1967′s Operation Plowshare possibly interfering with the alien presence in Dulce. He says it’s not about aliens it’s about a health issue. He explains how it has affected people and animals and its devastating impact on the environment.