Pastor Joel Osteen- Denies Jesus, Claims Homosexuals Make it into Heaven, and Teaches Half Biblical Truths. Possible Illuminati Ties? Outrage!
Joel Osteen pastors the largest church in the United states, averaging more than 43,500 persons in attendance per week. Located in the city of Houston, Texas Lakewood Church claims to be a non-denominational Christian mega-church. But don’t let the name fool you; Pastor Osteen is a fraud and the title ‘Christian’ should be removed from his church name.
This smooth talking pastor is misleading millions of people. Thousands flock to his church under the pretence that they are being taught the “Christian” message. When in truth, his messages reflect little of Christ.
In order to call yourself a Christian Church one must believe Jesus in the only way to God. This however is not what Mr. Osteen taught. Back in 2008 he was caught declaring these staggering words on the Larry King Live TV Show…
Did you catch that? When King asked Joel if Jesus was the only way, he responded with, “That’s up to God.” Any Christian pastor would be held accountable by the Bible’s owns words to respond with, “Yes Jesus is the only way.” Any other statement is not of the Christian faith and Mr. Osteen was given the opportunity to declare the gospel to the world and failed wretchedly. He was afforded a national platform to preach the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and decided it was better to compromise rather than speak truth.
Quite frankly, I’m not surprise. Osteen is known for teaching a one-sided Bible message. He leaves out anything to do with hell, demons, Satan, or judgment; and speaks only about the prosperity in the Gospel. This is not Christianity, it’s his own version of a one-sided God and therefore heresy all on its own. Joel has taught his followers for years that God can be anything they want him to be. This is just not the God of the Bible.
Not only is Osteen known for his outrageous statements on Larry King, but also on Oprah. It is here that he admits that Homosexuality is wrong, however he waters down the message by adding “Homosexuals make it into heaven”, which is not what the Bible teaches.
Joel Osteen has the largest church in America because he tells people what they want to hear rather than telling them what the Bible truly says. You cannot preach a one-side Gospel and water down the other half. That is out-right heresy and he should not be allowed to call his church “Christian.” Call it New Age, form a new religion, but don’t call it Christian when you only accept half of what the Bible says. That’s no different than Islam, Judaism, or Mormonism, who all accept some of what the Bible says. This is exactly what Osteen has done.
The video below displays Osteen holding up triple sixes during his teaching. I’m not fully convinced that this is what he is attempting to do. However I do believe he is misleading millions into a false type of “Christianity.” Therefore, I’ll let you draw your own conclusions on the matter…
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This guy will go before Jesus on Judgement Day and confess all he did for our Lord. God will say, “Depart because I did not know you.” Then he will be thrown into the lake of fire. No wonder why no one wants to be a Christian today. I myself broke away from being called a Christian. I am a believer in Christ. Many of the elect will fall away in the last days. Spending eternity in hell would be beyond words, but spending it with Jesus would be breath taking. Joel will get his just like everyone else who proclaims and slaughters the name of Jesus.
Eternity in a lake of fire, a bit harsh even for Sharia law that mate. I thought god was a merciful sort of fellow?
You are quite right. Most people who call themselves “Christian” merely believe whatever they are mandated to believe. They are not encouraged to research the Word of God to see what it really says. Actually, ‘hell’ is thrown into the the Lake of Fire along with death, at the conclusion of the Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:14). Any man of God that studies the Bible without bias, will reject many of the modern church doctrines. These heathen teachings began to seep into the church shortly after the Lord’s Apostles had all passed away, and were no longer able to watch over the flock,. The doctrine of eternal torment (hellfire) is one of these false teachings. Sure, the old English word ‘Hell” is found there, but it was translated basically from three different words that do not teach of any such place. The Old Testament Hebrew word ‘sheol’ and the New Testament Greek word have exactly the same meaning, namely ‘tomb’ or ‘grave.’ In Revelation 20:14, when death and hell are cast into the Lake of fire, it pictures the annihilation or complete burning up, or elimination of death and the grave. Certainly the Lake of Fire cannot be a place of torture, for how can the condition of death be tortured? It clearly cannot be. Another Greek New Testament word, ‘gehenna’ means ‘the valley of Hinnom,’ which formerly was a p[lace of idol worship, but was later turned into a garbage dump, where refuse was burned. Nothing alive was ever cast there, those at times the corpse of a heinous criminal was cast into the fires to be consumed. Whatever the worms did not devour, the fires eventually consumed. Jesus used it as an illustration of the judgment that will befall all those who willfully follow Satan when he is loosed at the end of the Millennium. The Catholic church is responsible for the errors that are embraced by Christians today. When Martin Luther came out of the Catholicism, and established the first Protestant church, he continued to hold on to many false teachings. It was not within God’s plan at that time for these errors to be addressed. In the late 1800s and early 1900s many of these false ideas were brought to light, and this became a means to sift out God’s true people from those who were Christian in name only. Another false teaching is the Trinity. Only those who love God with all their heart, and are willing to lose everything to please Him, will investigate this false doctrine, as most nominal Christians love this blasphemous teaching so much that they say that anyone who does not believe it is not a true Christian. The Jews of the Old Testament were taught by Yahweh that He was ONE Lord (not three), in stark contrast with the surrounding nations. When Christians embrace this false teaching, they are unknowingly calling God a liar.
There is so much wrong with the nominal church today (I say ‘nominal’ for they do not realize that they are not teaching the true message of Jesus Christ, and they like dumb sheep, merely follow the mandates of their ministers, who are following the creeds which their denominations say they much believe. It’s very very sad.
The teaching of hellfire is based on two other heathen teachings that permeated the church during the dark ages. These were the teaching of the immortal soul of man, and the wrong idea of the penalty for sin.
You will hear Christians speak about the good tidings of great joy, when referring to the birth of the Savior, Jesus, but they do not realize that they do not fully understand its meaning. The great news is that Jesus did not come to condemn the world, but to redeem mankind (John 3:16,17; 1 John 2:2). As the first man (Adam) brought death and condemnation upon all men, Jesus’ death (which was for Adam’s transgression) brought a justification to life to all mankind. You see, he didn’t just die for those few who would hear about him and believe on him during this age, but he died for all men, beginning with Adam. Being a sinless man, he forfeited his life for Adam, who deserved to die, and therefore secured a release from the grave for him. However, since all mankind inherited Adam’s sentence of death, Jesus’ death also secures a release from this condemnatino and sentence. This means that all humanity will be resurrected from the grave (See Romans 5:14-19). It is insane to think that in the end, only a few people (i.e., Christians during the gospel age) will be saved, while the remainder of mankind will lost and tortured for all eternity. As you said, this would not be the work of a loving, powerful, wise and just Creator.
Thankfully the Scriptures show us that the majority of mankind will awaken to the voice of Christ in His Millennial kingdom. Here they shall have the opportunity to learn the joys of knowing God. During this thousand year period, Jesus will rule with a rod of iron, not permitting any evil to take root, for Satan shall be bound and completely isolated from mankind. Matthew 25:31-46 illustrates how those who develop the love of God during the Millennium will inherit a wonderful everlasting paradise on earth (while those who reject it will be destroyed). Just imagine the joy of everyone who has ever lived, when they awaken and learn that they are given an opportunity for eternal life on earth. This is not a second chance by any means, for most people have never really understood the Gospel message, including some who have attended church all of their lives.
Recently, a Christian television personality stated that homosexuals and other immoral individuals will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9,10). Immediately there was an outcry and condemnation by gay organizations, that this man was fomenting hate speech upon gays, even though he merely quoted the scriptures on the subject. Practicing homosexuals, among others, will not be going to heaven. The Bible is clear that only true Spirit-begotten Christians, those who practice holiness, will be found worthy to inherit the kingdom of God. However, this same group will also not suffer everlasting torment in hell. During the thousand years they will be granted an opportunity to learn righteousness along with everyone else, and if found faithful at the close of the kingdom, receive eternal life on earth. Presently, in order for thieves, drunkards, homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators, etc., and anyone else who practices unrighteousness, to go to heaven, they will need to turn to Christ, repent of their ungodly behavior (just like all sinners must do), and with the help of God’s indwelling Spirit, walk in newness of life. As the Scriptures declare, ‘Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.” (Eph 4:28). There must be a fight against the sinful human propensities to sin, making a total about-face, away from wrongful behavior.
I encourage all believers to research my comments in the Word of God to see if they are not true. God indeed is love, and He offers a great blessing to all that will seek Him. If any man has an ear to hear, let him hear what God says in the Scriptures..
he must be, this guy is on the money train…….If you translate what is going on it means pass the plate Baby, and stack it high with the cash……funny how no one has caught on….
God’s mercy lies in death. However, judgement is not merciful, as it is always based on truth. Wanna be an idiot and screw people over throughout your life to become fabulously wealthy, be my guest, but don’t come a whining when judgement doesn’t go your way.
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“The Elect” in the Bible refer to the Jews not Christians. Christians are the “Saints”. You have to rightly divide the Word.
Amen, so few get that right. Election is not salvation. The Elect are the Jews. Thank you!
The “elect” are the Jews? The “elect” are the descendants of the 12 sons, or tribes, of the man named Israel who are alive today. Jesus argued in the Jews synagogues against their teachings and traditions. Jesus argued against the teachings of Jews who practiced Judaism. Judaized Christianity is false Christianity, a counterfeit faith. Saul, who later was renamed Paul, practiced and preached Judaism and persecuted early Christians. He “…was consenting to…” the death of Stephen who was stoned to death by those who belonged to the “…synagogue of the Freedmen…”, and the Cyrenians, and the Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia. The church in Jerusalem was greatly persecuted by all these peoples, among them many Jews, in the days of Saul. Saul, under the authority of the Jews and Romans, even threatened to murder the early disciples of Christ. However, Saul was confronted by Jesus “in the spirit”, who said to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” Saul then underwent a “conversion” and the Holy Spirit replaced the carnal spirit within him. Saul later became known as Paul and he renounced the religion of the Jews of Judea, that being Judaism. He became one of the greatest preachers of the “kingdom of God” and the truth about the “Lord Jesus Christ” in Rome.
vigilant and monday,
the chosen, the israelites, are not a tribe or a religion, they are those of us who operate in truth, compassion and love, standing up for others and in service to others, not the self.
the jews are the only ones who have ever said that the jews are the chosen ones! lol
hagee, osteen, dollar, van impe and their ilk are christian zionists. the biggest fools on earth. standing for israel!~ though they hate the goyim, as seen in their own talmudic writings.
no fool like a christian zionist fool, believing the scofield (schoenfeld) bible, a book of lies written to deceive good christian souls into supporting disgusting filth.
To author of the article, do you bow before church altars? Then you disobey Christ to, many not even know him.
Hebrews 13:10 Gentiles have an altar that those who serve the Tabernacle have no right to eat at
Rev. 13:6 … the Beast opened his mouth to blaspheme the Tabernacle of God
What’s this? Pharisee Paul the false apostle erects altars for Gentiles that exclude Temple servants, and the Beast joins with Paul to mock the Temple itself?!!!
Did not the true believers on the Lord offer perfect praise to the Lord as they made their way into the Temple (Matthew Ch. 21)? And all of them, including the Lord himself, being they served the Temple, would be excluded at church altars.
So Lisa Haven, why do you disobey the Lord and kneel before altars instituted by a Pharisee? So you don’t believe Pharisee Paul is a Pharisee. How many times does he have to declare he is a Pharisee for you to believe he is a Pharisee:
ACTS 23:6 I AM A PHARISEE AND THE SON OF A PHARISEE
ACTS 26:5 I LIVE MY LIFE AS A PHARISEE
PHILIPPIANS 3:5 I AM A PHARISEE
So deceived, so dark are the children of Hell that they read their master Pharisee agree with the Beast, they both mock the Temples, mocking Temple servants is just as well mocking the Temple too, and it is lost of them.
Matthew 7:22-23 Many shall say to me in that day, Lord Lord we did many wonderful works in your name … And I shall profess to them, I never knew you. Depart from me, workers of iniquity
These people in Matthew 7:22-23 are
1) Many
2) They call Christ, Lord Lord
3) They say they conducted themselves towards service of Christ
4) They argue with Christ as to why Christ should know them
Who are these people in Matthew 7:22-23, they are the Pharisee Paul converts. The “MANY” who in that day get what they deserve. On earth they presented themselves as ones who see and know the truth, but they are full of darkness, lies, hypocrisy, as Christ says workers of lawlessness. They further the idea of lawlessness, no more law of God, the grace over works doctrine of Pharisee Paul. But I point out, the Pharisee deceives his own for it is not weakness of the flesh but hatred for the law that causes people to break the law, as the false apostle says:
Romans 7:19 I do not know how to do good. I do evil
Romans 7:25 I serve sin in my flesh
Hebrews 10:28 He that HATED Moses’ law died without mercy ….
And as to your Lord, evil Pharisee Paul converts, your Pharisee master says the Lord is suffering. SUFFERING, burning on a fire pyre with the bodies of sacrificed beasts, and if you would like to see an drawing illustrating Paul’s description, see my latest news story on BIN.
Oh pass the plate baby, and stacks it high with DA Loot…………He done sucked the Christians dry, everones knows you cannot get blood from a beet. So now Lord Farquaad is out for some LGBT CASH……..Oh baby pass that plate, and stack the cash high……Lord Farquaad is in town, passing through on DA money train…
Just trying my best to translate what you said.
checks, money orders, cash, gold, silver – load up the church collection plates, moron American Christians.
Conquered and their wealth taken, voluntarily handed over by the legion of Christian morons.
PHILIPPIANS 3:5 … I AM A PHARISEE OF THE TRIBE OF BENJAMIN
Genesis 49:1, 49:27 … in the last days … BENJAMIN IS AS A WOLF who devours his prey AND DIVIDES THE SPOILS [spoils meaning the wealth of Benjamin's prey]
I TAUGHT THE GENTILES IT IS THEIR DUTY TO GIVE US MONEY (Romans 15:27)
Angelfood you hit the nail on the head ! !
Osteen is a complete apostate.
Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: {strait: or, narrow}
(KJV)
That guy looks like Farquaad in Shrek, Just goes to show how the masses can be conquered with one persons BS.
__/ __/ __/ __/ * IF I WERE THE DEVIL * __/ __/ __/ __/
If I Were the Devil
If I were the Prince of Darkness I would want to engulf the whole earth in darkness.
I’d have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I would not be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree.
So I should set about however necessary, to take over the United States.
I would begin with a campaign of whispers.
With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whispers to you as I whispered to Eve, “Do as you please.”
To the young I would whisper “The Bible is a myth.” I would convince them that “man created God,” instead of the other way around. I would confide that “what is bad is good and what is good is square.”
In the ears of the young married I would whisper that work is debasing, that cocktail parties are good for you. I would caution them not to be “extreme” in religion, in patriotism, in moral conduct.
And the old I would teach to pray — to say after me — “Our father which are in Washington.”
Then I’d get organized.
I’d educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull, uninteresting.
I’d threaten TV with dirtier movies, and vice-versa.
I’d infiltrate unions and urge more loafing, less work. Idle hands usually work for me.
I’d peddle narcotics to whom I could, I’d sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction, I’d tranquilize the rest with pills.
If I were the Devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects, but neglect to discipline emotions; let those run wild.
I’d designate an atheist to front for me before the highest courts and I’d get preachers to say, “She’s right.”
With flattery and promises of power I would get the courts to vote against God and in favor of pornography.
Thus I would evict God from the courthouse, then from the schoolhouse, then from the Houses of Congress.
Then in his own churches I’d substitute psychology for religion and deify science.
If I were Satan I’d make the symbol of Easter an egg
And the symbol of Christmas a bottle.
If I were the Devil I’d take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. Then my police state would force everybody back to work.
Then I would separate families, putting children in uniform, women in coal mines and objectors in slave-labor camps.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
The oldest genuine Paul Harvey version of this piece we’ve found so far appeared in his newspaper column in 1964:
If I were Satan I’d just keep doing what I’m doing and the whole world go to hell as sure as the Devil.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/devil.asp#ojzQgxAzczWa0J3o.99
If I were the devil, you know what I’d do?
I’d convince a bunch of different groups of arrogant, ignorant, bigoted people that they and only they “truly know the mind of God.” And I’d set them loose on each other.
Obama’s the Antichrist.
He’s an imbecile.
We must reveal him.
Google:
Pic-Gallery Obama’s Face Is Mess
Chicago, Obama’s hometown had the lottery draw 666 the day after his election.
Obama’s thus the Antichrist.
reveal this.
Yes it’s true that Osteen is one of the false teachers and sects spoken of in the scriptures, hell is not a biblical teaching. Doesn’t exist according to our God. Osteen is simply part of christendom, the world empire of false religions. The ONLY true religion is the one that Jesus taught to the apostles and admonished us all to follow to the letter. No organized religion on Earth does that. Not one. In fact, most religions claiming to be Christian, such as Catholic, Babtist, Protestant, Lutheran, and so on are in reality not Christian. The bulk of their beliefs, such as the immortal soul, pagan additions to christendom like Christmas, Easter and involvement in politics, are totally contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God. The triune teachings are pagan also. Jesus and God’s holy spirit are not God. Jesus is God’s only son and holy spirit is God’s active force used to lead people, perform miracles, create Earth and all within it. Osteen is simply fulfilling prophecy. Christendom is under attack by secularists and apostates, and will soon be destroyed, probably by the United Nations. Th
Amen! I’m glad to see that there is another person who clings to the truth of God’s Word. Those who have an ear to hear will gladly receive the Word, and search the Scriptures to see if what they’re being taught is correct (Acts 17:11).
When Christ was taken up in the spirit to be tempted by Satan, what did Satan offer Christ if he would just bow down and serve Satan? Everything that the kingdoms of this world have to offer! Just tells you what spirit rules this world at the present time.
He’s a snake oil salesman of the highest order. I can’t even bare to look at the hypocrite.
Christ taught doctrine not religion. His kingdom is near n it aint through religion.
America/Babylon is fallen.
you do know Babylon in Reveletion18 is mentioned as being responsible for this right?-
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Wow, Are all you bible thumpers up in a mock over this?
. Who really cares? Can any one of you verify 100% that this is not true. Have you gone up to heaven chit chatted with Jesus and confirm all these laws out of your fairy tales to be the law of the land?
No? ok, then move along then. The world doesn’t have time for child like squabbles..
Excellent counterpoint.
Eskimo:”If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?” Priest: “No, not if you did not know.” Eskimo: “Then why did you tell me?”
Sheep herder…..your ignorance is only getting you in trouble.
If the world doesn’t have time for “child like squabbles”…..it seems clear that you do…..as it is readily apparent that you waste time popping into all the religious threads merely to display your ignorance.
Go play somewhere else and find a more productive use for your daily allotment of free internet.
Blessings
Amen brother. Just tell these lost souls that Jesus is our God and He is incorruptible. Anymore that that is just wasting time. There are many souls out there who would be of better use of your time.
Oh yes it does!
Having homosexual tendencies is not a sin. Practicing homosexuality is what’s sinful.
If homosexuals live chaste live and die in the state of grace, there is no reason why they can’t be saved and go to heaven.
Should monkeys go to hell since a lot of them are gay? How about gay aliens? Will they go to hell?
The Christian fundamentalists seem to exemplify such folks at the apogee of evil, the nadir of civilized life, in that they preach to the world while yet living the life of a barbarian!
All of the great religions of the world indicate that we should strive to treat others as we would like for them to treat us, in essence suggesting that we follow the Golden Rule. However, considering this the gold standard for how we ought to live our lives, it is quite clear that Christian fundamentalists have missed the mark!
Regardless of all the wonderful things they have claimed to have done for the world, it is apparent that the fundamentalists have been unable to live up to the most minimal standards for that of a decent life, almost as if they have gone out of their way to “cast a speck out of their neighbor’s eye, while refusing to recognize the enormity of the plank in that of their own.” With no apology, nor even a hint of remorse, they continue on their way running roughshod over others, with little or no concern for how their victims might feel. Rather than caring for others, disregard and disrespect has become that which defines them as a people.
First on the fundamentalist’s agenda was their use of the Bible to make the case for racial separation, that blacks and whites should remain “unto that of their own kind,” that black folks and white folks should not mix, that people would be better off if they remained apart. And in looking back at how blacks were treated in earlier years, fundamentalists seemed to have had no problem with the fact that black people, as chattel, had been auctioned off as livestock. Then later on, in the 1950’s and 1960’s, Christian fundamentalists were at the forefront doing everything they could to prevent black people from achieving civil rights.
So, as a psychologist, I am compelled to ask: what is it that seems to have motivated such people to have become so depraved, to have chosen a style of life so opposed to everything that Jesus taught? What is it that has led fundamentalists to become such a mean-spirited gathering of folks? What is it that such people have in common, that which might serve to explain why they have led such horrid lives?
The riddle of why such folks, who look upon themselves as being so very good while having behaved so terribly bad, can be understood by realizing that fundamentalists suffer from an axiomatic inability to face who they have, in fact, become. In having followed the dictum to be “in” the world, but certainly not “of” the world, they began to set themselves apart, to disengage from the rest of the world, effectively creating an inner sanctum, a world of their own, an imprisoned partition separating them from the rest of humanity. And, of course, all of such in order to protect themselves from being contaminated by an outer world of sin.
Doug Soderstrom, Ph.D.
Great comment. Reading these various posts really makes you realize why there so much hate in America (The US not us Canadians).
Are you saying this whole thing is an Alien tactic to have control over the masses? you could be right………this guy could have been abducted, and had his DNA re-worked he does look like Lord Farquaad.
You would have to look at this from a scientific point of view, is that even allowed these days? who knows right!!!
Who are you trying to kid? Have you fundies and your fellow gentile atheists actually ever taken a look at who is posting spiritual posts on BIN? There are hardly any Jewish posts but every fundie post seems to come from either YourJewishNews, gaytheists or anti-racists s (i.e.e commies)
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His father would roll over in his grave if he knew this. If a pastor really preaches holiness, and the whole Bible there would be no mega churches
double talk pays well
If any of you think you can do a better job than Joel then show us how you would do it. I personally know Joel very well and an disgusted to read this post and comments. Stop critiquing Joel, get of your lazy American ass and do something to win souls for the Kingdom. Otherwise, shut up!
Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to our Father in Heaven. There, in ONE sentence I did more preaching than Goldsteen, I mean Olsteen!
The error of the fundamentalists is that they are too narrow in their perception and are taking a view much like that of a salesman who sees only one headache remedy in the world, and does not consider or recognize that other headache remedies might exist.
It probably doesn’t surprise too many people here that you know him well. Probably really, really, REALLY well. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Point blank, all this guy is doing is winning more money for his wallet. Just gathering more sheeple from a different flock. What kingdom are you speaking of, the kingdom of Joel? I am sure some would like to think they have a divine connection, but guess what, Greed, Money, and deceiving the masses takes on many forms…you better wake up.
Winning souls for whose kingdom? Osteen’s? God is not after quantity (huge memberships), He is after quality (genuine converted men and women of God, who walk before Him in holiness). Unless a minister’s teaching is based on the ransom accomplished through the blood of Jesus, there is no truth in it.
Jesus said: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except by me.’” John 14:6
“For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God hath not sent the Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.” John 3:16,17
“And he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world.” 1 John 2:2
“He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son does not have life.” 1 John 5:12
“And there is no salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven, which has been given among men, by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
The Scriptures are pretty clear on the subject. Unless you can show that these verses have in some way been mistranslated, it is evident that Joel Osteen has based his faith and ministry on something other than the Bible. The words of his own mouth condemn him as a charlatan, who merely preaches what people want to hear.
Joel doesn’t win souls… The only thing he wins is money out of people’s pockets… Jesus said to “Feed my sheep” not “Shear my sheep”…
Since you know Joel……. Tell him ( If he still reads the bible) to read Mathew 6:24
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
If you are better then start your own following!
Why would people want to start their own Bibles?
Cos its easy to improve on.
Seems like standard Jerusalem syndrome stuff to me. I can see why that would appeal to the gaytheists but I’d hardly call that an improvement.
So they can make up lots of BS along the way, make a lot of cash, and be like the big movie stars, and jim jones, and such……..they pass around a lot of kool-aid to the sheeple , plus give the rich folk ice cream with the sprinkles on top.thats why, thought everyone knew that.
I don’t want people to follow me, I never said that. People need to follow Jesus Christ & not some New Age “Positive Thinking” money machine of a worldly accepted wolf in sheeps clothing.
Therein lies the issue… Joel is having people follow him and not who they should be following… Jesus
What did you expect from a JUDEO-Christian????
Or maybe a short JUDEO??
I thought he would show me more about self defence, I guess I didn’t read it rite.
Where in the Bible does it say to be a “good” Christian you must judge other people? At least Joel doesn’t judge others, as the Bible says to do (not to judge others). He loves unconditionally, which is also what the Bible tells people to do in Corinthians. There is a BIG group of people who are enforcing the eternity long war between Muhammed and Christ so keep your eyes open…and your heart open. Do what you can to stay positive, loving and optimistic (i.e. NO FEAR) because we bring into this life what we focus on. “They” want us to believe the worst because they feed on fear and they understand the quantum physics concept that what we focus on, comes to life. Please pass this message on. This is very important. Unconditional love is key.
Very excellent succinct post.
Many here are attracted and addicted to hate, because their hearts are full of…hate.
Love
You stand corrected.
Ro 15:14 ¶ And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.
Admonish, (i.e. reprimand, rebuke, scold)
Absolutely!!
There is so much bigotry here, and I mean that in it’s proper definition; an inability to see anothers point of view. “My way is the best way” “No mine is the only way” etc etc etc.
They all SOUND like they know what they talk about, but they apparently actually get their opinions from others, rather than actually thinking about it and informing themselves.
The bible is not an original document, it is a collection of myths borrowed from various older sacred sources, and indeed Jesus was the latest in a whole string of deities who was born of a virgin on the 25th December, ressurected after three days etc etc
Perhaps if they actually spent a little more time trying to understand the deeper meaning that lies within their bible, rather than listening to the bigotry spouted by their chosen religious leaders, the world might be a little better for it.
And lastly, a few words from the big man himself; “The kingdom of God lies within” ” the temple that is built in silence”. Couldn’t possibly be referring to the idea of a little inner reflection, what some might call meditation perhaps. Not that Religious leaders want them to start doing that, their money making scheme would crash overnight!!
Just a thought. Merry Christmas one and all, Jews, Muslims, aetheists, bigots, gays and everyone else
Hate to bring you up to speed so fast. The G-Forces could be very shocking.
This is all about money, and connecting/using people to get it.
But the bible does say in 2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is God-Breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness
So if we are rebuking Joel’s actions, and trying to correct him according to God’s written word, we are judging him?
In the old Soviet Union the worker’s running joke was “They make believe they pay us and we make believe we work”. Osteen’s running joke is, he makes believe he is preaching Christianity and his followers make believe they are Christians. If Christianity proves to be correct Osteen and his cultists will inhabit the lowest depths of Hell just below the arrogant atheists and fornicators. Where as I an agnostic will probably get a cooler area for not being a hypocrite.
Joel Osteen is a hypocrite!
Most Christians are hypocrites if you haven’t noticed.
Please tell us where in the Holy Bible (KJV) that it says “Christians are Perfect”. I can’t seem to find it.
Does the woeman (sic) posting this article realize that until the 19th Amendment to the United States Constitution was ratified, that Women DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE?
Black men had the right to vote in this country before women did. Moreover, men used to be allowed to beat their women as long as it was a stick not bigger than the thickness of the thumb. That’s where the saying, “Rule of thumb,” comes from.
Any intelligent woman knows (as Lady GaGa has espoused), that Misogyny has talked of, that Misogyny and Homophobia are very closely related. That is to say, Those who hate gays would also generally hate women, and vice versa.
Homophobia was invented by Heterosexual men as a denunciation of the concept of femininity in general. Misogyny is the hatred of women. The hatred of women is the hatred of Homosexuals.
Though many fail to realize that half of Homosexuals people are Masculine gay Women and Masculine gay men. Thus, Homosexuality has as much to do with being masculine as it does with being feminine–again overlooked.
Jesus Christ, the embodiment of God, was not Heterosexual, nor Homosexual. Thus, in God’s eyes both sexual orientations are weaknesses of the flesh.
Lastly gays don’t have abortions, nor do they cause them. That is a Heterosexual act, written under Heterosexual law. 25% of Heterosexual women have had a surgical abortion–much more egregious than two gays loving one another.
When people cast judgement upon Homosexuals, they are committing two sins: hypocrisy and judgment. And, they are being as a Pharisee.
Except God said to go forth and procreate. So heterosexuality is not really a sexual orientation. Also if you look at ANY AND EVERY post about homosexuality it is ALWAYS the supporters of Gays who start being ‘homophobic’. Homophobia was created by homosexuals. That’s just what it means.
From your own post:
” Those who hate gays would also generally hate women, and vice versa.”
This is true. And gays – the 2-3% of society that they make up – are homophobic.
Your argument is nonsense as 95% of people in history were treated as women were by the predecessors of culturally marxism pushing elites and the Bibles position on homosexuality – that men should not lie down with other men as with a women – can be interpreted as basically saying that men are NOT equal to women (no marriage has been consummated).
So like I said – homophobes hate women too in their way.
SO God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they were too heterosexual??
Where do you suppose the word sodomy comes from?
When Jesus Christ brings the Government of God to earth and rules as its King, homosexuals will repent or they will be put to death. God created them male and female, He did not create queers and perverts.
You really do have a screw loose, don’t you.
Ehh this guy just seems too much like a slime ball. His smile is just so cheesy.
But, anyways the Homosexual actions (laying with another man,etc) are the sins. Not the person.
Remember all sex acts, with the exception of you and your Wife/Husband are sins. Plus all mortal sins are forgivable so a guy who choses to be/was born gay can get on his knees, pray, and stop poking other men.
Whats the rules for gay Reptilians or Greys? How about the Plieadians? Surly these rules that you present were developed by a human priest to control a society. Why should there be any rules about love? I find it amazing that the same people that judge gay people are for war and killing innocent people.
The world watches as a nation of people, the Palestinians, are systematically crushed and destroyed by the tyrants who call the shots in Israel on behalf of that country’s real power structure the House of Rothschild.
Lol what? Reptilians and greys? Time for your medicine.
There are rules in everything, nature itself even physics are held by universal rules.
Love is intimacy. Intimacy is vulnerability. Having SOMETHING that will protect you and guide your conduct is an evil reptilian conspiracy to control people and keep them away from those who object to ‘vulnerability’ in principle: our ‘liberators’.
Egail2 maybe it is time for you to do a little research on the Reptilians and Greys after all Yahweh was a Reptilian. Well if we are to look at nature you will see that many species have gay tendencies.
List of mammals displaying homosexual behavior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
1,500 animal species practice homosexuality
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals. Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex.
The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity’s closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals.
“Sex among dwarf chimpanzees is in fact the business of the whole family, and the cute little ones often lend a helping hand when they engage in oral sex with each other.”
Lions are also homosexual. Male lions often band together with their brothers to lead the pride. To ensure loyalty, they strengthen the bonds by often having sex with each other.
Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a “sex orgy”.
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I’m not gay myself just a truthseeker.
And yet there are laws specifically for man(human race).
You’re focusing on everything, but what I was talking about. Other animals being gay wasn’t the subject matter. Nor did I say homosexuality was uncommon or whatever your trying to say… I don’t understand that level of tinfoil.
I was saying that the bible states a lot of sexual acts are sins… You went way off target and brought up reptilians and greys. Trying to pick a fight that’s not even there.
Animals also kill and eat their young, dolphins rape other dolphins, the list goes on and on. Tell me if I’m right, but you’re assuming we can do all those things simply because animals do them. Lol ok
I mean you can technically. Live a rule-free life, go ahead, but remember there are places and people that can fix that, in this life and probably the next.
“…Teaches Half Biblical Truths.”.
Nothing unusual there, seeing as ALL people claiming to be Christian not only teach biblical half truths but 99% of their material doesn’t exist in the first place. While at the same time practice none of the 8 essential criteria Jesus preached to gain entry into heaven. Two of which involve selling everything you own, giving the proceeds to the poor and following him like a disciple. The most people get around to actually doing is thinking about it, and that’s provided they even know the criteria exist, seeing as not many Christians take the time to read the bible, most are completely unaware. Their entire experience of the bible, is cherry picked scripture preached at them by some creep earning a living off the back of their belief.
So much so, I don’t know of a single person who practices what Jesus preached… do you?
Ho hum.
People mostly just go with the Noahide laws (and interpret everything in the context of them). No doubt if Jesus turns up and proved it they’d follow GOD.
The prohibition of Idolatry.
The prohibition of Murder.
The prohibition of Theft.
The prohibition of Sexual immorality.
The prohibition of Blasphemy.
The prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive.
The requirement of maintaining courts to provide legal recourse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
Jesus preached to follow all the old Israelite laws better than the law keepers, including the over 100 laws on ritual animal sacrifices. The 8 essential criteria for entry into heaven includr ‘love your neighbor as yourself’, ‘hate your mother, father, brothers, sisters, and the entire world’, be born again (baptism is 100% pagan)’, ‘sell everything you own, give proceeds to the poor’, ‘follow him like a disciple’. if you want to qualify for heaven (also 100% pagan).
@Pix
Mea Culpa pretty much covers everything. God is not all powerful, loving and knowing he is GUILTY of being all powerful, loving and knowing.
Well there will be always misunderstandings un Christianity. Why?
1. There is more than 100+ translations of Bible.
Witch one is correct?
http://www.biblica.com/bibles/faq/13/
Is Jesus Christ God?
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 3:21-22
Jesus Christ: who is … on the the right hand of God.
John 20:17
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 8:40
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.
1 Corinthians 11:3
The head of Christ is God.
Can you go against Bible?
Internal Inconsistencies
The genealogies of Matthew and Luke contradict each other
Where did Joseph take Jesus from Bethlehem?
Where did Jesus go after his baptism?
Did Jesus speak to the Centurion?
Where did Jesus heal the maniac?
Was Jairus’ daughter dead?
Staves or no staves?
Sign or no sign?
When was Jesus transfigured?
When did Jesus cleanse the Temple?
When did the Fig tree wither?
When was the Last Supper?
Did Jesus say he would destroy the Temple?
Did Jesus teach in secret?
How many times did the cock crow?
What was written on Jesus’ Cross?
What were Jesus’ final words?
Who saw Jesus after his resurrection?
How did Judas die?
Was Abraham justified by faith or works?
http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bible/ntprob.shtml
Internal Contradictions
There are two different Creation stories
How many animals did Noah take onto the ark?
How many languages were there after the Flood?
How were Abraham and Lot related?
How many sons did Abraham have?
Who sold Joseph to Potiphar?
Did Abraham know God’s name?
How long were the Israelites in Egypt?
Why was God angry with Balaam?
How long was the ark in Kiriath-Jearim?
How many sons did Jesse have?
When did Saul meet David?
Who killed Goliath?
Who tempted David?
When did Baasha die?
Did Asa remove the high places?
Jehoram and Jehoram
How old was Ahaziah?
Did Jehu do right in God’s eyes?
Where did Josiah die?
The Greatest King?
Questionable Morals
Is murder forbidden?
Is lying forbidden?
Should children be punished for their parent’s sins?
Human Sacrifice
http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bible/otprob.shtml
You forgot commandment no. 1. Have no other gods before him. Which suggests there are many other gods, but to put the biblical one above the others… we are told because it’s jealous. Nobody can explain wtf has its got to be jealous about, it lives forever, can create and or destroy anything it likes when ever it likes… apart from people living in valley’s who have chariots of iron, apparently god can’t beat chariots of iron as per Judges 1.19
He looks like a LGBT to me. I wonder what he typically fits in that little circle in the top video. ?
Why are so many people wrapped up in this crap? Fun to comment on occasion.
OMG he is teaching LOVE, how outrageous this must be for the hate mongers!
Guaranteed that Joel has a life time membership to at least one Bath house where he performs favors from the other side of a glory hole.
You are the one on the other side!
Wish I could access your videos. Ally that is there is blank space.
No one is going ‘to heaven” . There will be paradise on earth. THAT was God’s original plan. And as soon as He makes an example of Lucifer, He will get back to the original plan.
Never mistake His patience and long suffering as weakness. Be glad it is so.
🌐I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
🌐Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. – Mahatma Gandhi
🌐… wHAT He Said.
ha,this guy….wow.when you sit down with oprah you KNow you’re dirty.that woman sold out her whole family her own sell for that 1oo million dollar bracket….she says that there is literally a million paths to get to heaven under the quise of good ”intentions” she is so full of crap.she probably drinks blood for a snack.she makes me sick for all women everywhere.ima guy lol just thought i would point that out lol.anyway this guy is full of doodoo
notice osteen is throwing up the ‘ok’ sign or the ‘sixsixsix’ sign so prevalent in the luciferian culture.btw some of y’all need to write a freakin’ book THIS IS THE COMMENT SECTION PLEASE KEEP IT THAT WAY PLEASE gawd almighty like we wanna read your 10 page report.f@#@$%sh
#$%heads
Wow, where do I start with this one….the Illuminati has been around since the early days of Christianity.
I find it stunning that so many today’s Christians are so suspicious of anybody who doesn’t accept their teaching of Christianity, when clearly their concept of Christianity has been completely deluded and compromised for centuries now. I’ve been to many, many church services (growing up in college choir) we went on Churches all over the country and I have yet to hear a pastor preach accurate views of the bible. The Christian Church was completely compromised about 3 hundred years after Jesus. Getting the numbers into the church became the priority, the numbers, the money, Instead of the truth. The hand gestures, could easily have been just him expressing himself. I didn’t see a clear signal, by any means. Joel is preaching tolerance, which I don’t have a problem with…if he is being used by the Illuminati, he’s not a very powerful tool. That’s for sure!
Hi Truthseeker007 PhD, greetings in solidarity from Freedom007 M.D.
You are Sooo right to point out the contradictions, and absurdities,
which one has to swallow to be allowed to think about oneself as being a good Christian,
and which are at the base of the atrocities which Christians, though nominally committed to Charity and Love, have done thru the centuries… all for their Doctrine to be spread and their Deity to be adored… or for gold and gems to be seized.
I am SURE Jesus did NOT mean this to happen, or to be made out of His sermons.
And I also am SURE that, if He ever comes back, He will come back to restore what He really meant, and to educate the masses to make them really understand the Golden Rule instead of distorting it as we all did for 2000 years.
He will NOT come back to slaughter the poor half-baked creatures which we are, for our “transgressions” – most of which we just can´t help ourselves to avoid!
He will rather come back to finish Creation of our Species. We are unfinished – like a loaf of bread that has only been half baked. This is why we still cannot do what we want and be RIGHT with it, this is why Eve fell for the Snake, this is why our will and wish often is in disharmony with God´s will.
Not becaose of our alleged Evilness.
Man is not evil – but Man is dumb, easy to disinform.
Everyone knows how much good will, even to the degree of martyrdom, has been wasted in this world for wrong things; the reason of this misery is Ignorance. And it will be Ignorance which God has to wipe out in order to make Man a REAL good gardner for His Yard of Eden which in fact is this planet as a whole. Then, our Goodwill will be successful and our Striving for Truth will be no longer a bad joke ending up in failure and bitter cynicism as it is today…
There is more to this picture than meets the eye. You see these type of headlines daily.
People are not understanding what is really going on. People follow blindly.
It is so easy to notice how there is always some form of Left&Right, LGBT&Straight. There is a long list of Lefts&Rights. Most of this is fabricated, and is used to divert your attention, and to also divide you. The group being used the most right now is the LGBT community. They are being led to believe they have a movement, yeah sure they do, but what is the true purpose? There is a lot of money to be made off this movement.
I believe in live, and let live, but so many are blindly following others off a cliff. Just like some of the sad Transgender stories. I did not even know about this stuff. Found it by accident when doing some research. Young Women, and Men changing genders, most regret it, but the peer pressure in their Trans community has them continue till there is no return, complete with operations. Some commit suicide, and even asked to be put to death in other countries where it is legal. There are a lot of stories on youtube. Even some websites, explaining in detal with forums, and people trying to find clinics to get their under-aged kids genders changed……Wake up..it is the new NORM, although I think there is more to all this. Not just a bad gut feeling…..something is going on, and it is not good. I have seen people make huge protest over issues such as birth-control…..when a woman takes testosterone, and has her breast, and other female parts surgically removed by these new special transgender clinics, they can no longer give birth. I am not saying anything bad about these people, because I do not know how they feel inside. Although it makes one wonder what has happened, for all these people to be born this way, not the right gender. Is this natural, or has someone, something been playing with their DNA?…..Could be one of the highest forms of mind, and DNA manipulation on a grand scale?.
Some of these TV preachers see these groups of people as a new source of money, and will tell them exactly what they want to hear to get the cash.
They are in line for the cash.
Just like all the new specialty sex change surgery shops that have sprung up everyplace. Lot of people saying they want to help, but will also glaadly take their money. So sounds like the LGBT community is being used. There are a lot of disasters going on, and real stuff to worry about…….be aware
The four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, all tell of the “signs” of the return of the Lord and the closing of the age. The very first “sign” that Jesus tells of to the apostles is, “Take heed that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.” There are “many” around today proclaiming that they represent the Lord Jesus Christ, but they are false teachers and preachers. Do not believe them!
Also it says in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15
12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Actually the four books represent the four seasons because it is all about Sun worship.
You’re the only one that wants to play with his Christmas bells, Mr Gay Rogers
People who post comments like this are obviously in the “Anonymous” closet.
His wife is hot, and he is a horse faced dork. Must be a witch.
Charlatans have been around forever. Their path to riches is far easier than ever before in America. Our government purposely produces idiots that will believe anything they are told! Business is booming for the evil of the world right now, but things will soon change!
I wanna make a proposition to someone to answer me. in the bible it says elohim created the first day and made night and day but on te fourth day created the sun and moon. what was the light. and dont even say himself, because he said he seperated it. even if elohim is plural for the trinity then if tere is a father and a son where is the mother. christ had no spiritual mother but GOD had sence to create a woman and not make one for himself seconly knowing the concept of family having created a son without a mother and replacing it with a holy spirit is a little odd. religion ruins everything man where humans and live in the haror of life……do me a favor and go clean the road . filter some water for you and your family. take care of this place damn it. what will our children live in within the next ten years…..
Christians YOU ARE WRONG!
Christians: Mea Culpa…and?
You can’t falsify Christianity. That is what you do with scientific propositions.
It’s all a fallacy.
Satan is a metaphor. Created by early Christians. Just like Hell. What’s a better method for control and monetary gains aside from telling you the boogy man is after you if you don’t behave the way a book tells you.
Don’t let a book tell you how to live. Dictate your own life. It was given to your for your own journey. Not for an organized religions abuse.
Time to turn all the ‘gay’ bashing on its head:
I have a few gay friends, they are smart, kind and honest. Can’t say the same for many heterosexuals who allow their rampant testosterone to get the better of them.
But, there are many different classes of heterosexuals and homosexuals. Then there’s the bisexuals and they too have their distinctions.
Treat people as individuals, unlike what the government does. Everyone has their own unique story, everyone deserves to be heard.
There are many bullies who make comments to power-trip.
I’m looking for comments with common-sense.
To all you homophobes: if you needed someone to pull from a burning car, will you say no to the gay guy who happens to be the first on the scene? If a gay person saved your life, would you still hate them?
And to all you really bad guys who are criminally inclined; I’m for rehabilitation over imprisonment. I would try to understand you rather than toss you away.
Let’s have some tolerance people.