“Thor’s Hammer” Unearthed in Denmark Proves Biblical Account of Nephilim-Giants in Genesis 6- Archaeologist are Floored…
By Lisa Haven
Danish archeologists have unveiled a discovery that sheds new light on an age-old mystery, that is the Biblical account of Nephilim-Giants found in the Bible.
The warrior god of thunder, Thor appears throughout Norse mythology holding the powerful hammer known as Mjolnir, which he uses to protect Asgard, the celestial city of the gods, from “giants.” The interesting part is giants are a huge part of the Bible and fond in the biblical account of Genesis 6 which states:
“And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
Giants are very clearly a part of the Bible. With this in mind the discovery of “Thor’s Hammer” becomes a much more interesting topic. Here is the report…
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This story is like trying to justify the Bible by saying that Zeus fought the Titans and cast them into Tartarus, thus Titans are real.
A parable or metaphor of a myth being used to justify supposed ‘true history’ is laughable.
FYI, angels of the ‘hebrew god’ took on the presence of giant creatures, like Set (jackal head, human body, 50+ feet tall) to oversee construction of the various ‘great monuments’ of what is known as ‘ancient egypt’. That’s why the depictions of them towering over humans are portrayed as they are. They also used ‘divine powers’ to lift and set the blocks, where the humans were mere ‘cattle for the labor of slaves’.
Then again, no one is going to accept this – but, just thought you’d want to know.
dustdevil…pure conjecture.
“This story is like trying to justify the Bible by saying that Zeus fought the Titans and cast them into Tartarus, thus Titans are real.”
Not quite. Giants are spoken of in the Bible. This is corroborating evidence that giants did indeed once upon a time roam upon the earth.
123….If you look at the ancient traditions you find that each is a a sort of superstitious, retelling of the same stories…from so long ago, that the true origins only became apparent, fairly recently. During our “age”, the “age of information”, that we have lived. We have been heading for this day…the revealing. Now, a discerning man doesn’t need a priest, or shaman, or scientist to have understanding, and none of them can keep anyone from it, either. Its out there , now…and if the powers that be, get their way, (and they will) the intel will be destroyed. Eat. Fill thyself.
Don’t take this personal elijah, don’t get mad max
(unless of course society breaks down and you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do to survive), but I have no idea what you just said there! 
Is that a message of tongues that need to be interpreted or something?
I’m sorry max, but I’ve got to issue a
SPIRITUAL MUMBO JUMBO ALERT!!!!
on that last message of yours!
What I said was as clear as i can express it….lessee if i can complicate for you a little.
firstly your’e not going to know about what i’m talking without going WAY far back into the ancient past….that part that you deny ever existed. Yeah, we’re back to that period of time that eventually caused the world to “become” void.
Back when Angels fought the rebellious ‘fallen ones’ for the “Throne of God”, and the ancient mythologies of this earth were born. Floods and giants and evil supernatural entities and always some hope for future salvation, and reconciliation.
We know, now, the truths of these myths, and the descriptive battles our Lord fought. The names are all different, but the stories are all nearly identical… morally, if not literally. These end times revelations, this perfect expose of the devil’s tactics, has made all of it real to the period.
123….I know that its easier to “wish” earthly history would tame itself down and behave the way we each want it…ornery history. I believe that the mythological “legends” have a common source, and that source is the story of YHVH, the rebellion of Lucifer and the siege of this earth, by the “fallen”.
This ‘story’ is reaching it’s finale. The “legendary” devil is soon to be exposed. Finally. After ‘eons’ of despotic, cruel and despicable treatment of the the innocently ignorant people of this poor world, we are to be set free. Hallelujah!
This is not gospel….It is supposition…conjecture, and no real threat to your spiritual being.
I would suppose that the term “mumbo jumbo” is another way of saying, “Shut up!, That does not fit… in MY understanding”. Its Ok. I believe you are a fine Christian man, full of charity and grace, and are doing fine.
We will all have a more complete picture of reality, soon.
No max, “mumbo jumbo” isn’t another way of saying “shut up”, it’s another way of saying “I have no idea what you’re saying”.
But anyways, I too believe the mythological legends have a common source, the Nephilim. One day, maybe we can open up our Bibles and have a discussion about this time of which you speak. I don’t care what translation you want to use, you can use the original Hebrew if you want, but one day I would like for you to answer these two questions:
I don’t question your heart max. I don’t question your intent. I just question some of your theology. And I too believe we will have a more complete picture of reality soon.
The creation is so long ago that we won’t know for a little while, yet. No way to know for sure.
As far as i can discern, death came to us from disobedience. Disobedience came to us through deception and the temptation of the “the son of perdition”.
I believe that you have no idea of what I speak, and like i said its O. K….
In my research, when I come up with a conundrum, My first instinct is to put it to the scripture test. If I can’t find some reconciliation….I dig deeper. I have found, that invariably, it is man’s understanding that is in error, not the scriptures….I take no man’s interpretation, of what the scriptures mean. Under ANY circumstances. Although i have refined my lexicon, and there are a few wise old guys and dead guys who have helped in this respect.
My method of getting through, is prayer, and common sense. Can’t do without either one. I always get exactly what I need. The key in my book is balance….If I stay upright….It works just fine.
“I believe that you have no idea of what I speak”
I think what you believe is what is commonly called the “gap theory”, where millions or even billions of years are inserted between verse 1 and verse 2 of Genesis chapter 1, is that not so?
If that is so, that is why I asked those 2 questions. Here are the answers from Scripture:
Q: How long did it take God to make the heavens and earth and all that is in them?
A: Six days:
“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day…”
—Exodus 20:11
Q: When did death come into creation and through whom?
A: In the garden of Eden, through Adam:
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
—1 Corinthians 15:21-22
Use your favorite translation and/or go back to the original Hebrew and Greek if you want and let me know if you interpret those Scriptures different. If not, the clear and obvious meaning of those Scriptures are that there couldn’t have been a pre-Adamic existence of any kind of interaction between those in the heavens and the earth that occurred before DAY 1 of CREATION, because it took 6 count’em 6 days for the LORD to create the heavens and the earth and all that is in them. And then God rested on DAY 7 of CREATION, the day of rest, which was the pattern given to the Israelites for the Sabbath day.
So God completed His work on the heavens and earth on DAY 6 of CREATION, that is, the heavens and earth didn’t come fully into play with things living and walking and creeping upon the earth until DAY 6 of CREATION.
The gap theory proposes activity took place before DAY 1 of CREATION, but any such activity could not have taken place before DAY 6 of CREATION.
Regarding death coming into the world through Adam, how does that fit in with men and animals dying before DAY 1 of CREATION as you claim, when Adam didn’t come into play until DAY 6 of CREATION?
Think and meditate on this max, and let the Holy Spirit work on you, for this is truth plain and simple.
123….Oh, understand what you are saying.
“in six days, and rested on the seventh”‘….In all the days of God’s existence, you think this seven day period was the seven day period we have imagined Gen 1 to be? You can’t prove that.
It does not matter. It is a fact that the Lord’s story is much older and much much larger than young earth theosophy can account.
Let me ask a question…just to get the lay of the land. I say that Lucifer’s rebellion was hundreds of thousands of years before you even think there was a Lucifer. What do you say?
“In all the days of God’s existence, you think this seven day period was the seven day period we have imagined Gen 1 to be?”
It’s a seven day period as the Bible describes, not as we imagine.
“It is a fact that the Lord’s story is much older and much much larger than young earth theosophy can account.”
Where do you get this so-called fact? From the Bible, or man’s imaginations? If you would lay out your scenario, we could get the lay of the land a lot better. Tell me, do you subscribe to the gap theory. If not, what scenario are you talking about?
As to Lucifer’s rebellion, I say you are wrong about his rebellion being hundreds of thousands of years ago. What do you claim happened hundreds of thousands of years ago?
Here’s a question for you: do you believe death entered creation through Adam in the garden?
“…do you believe death entered creation through Adam in the garden?”
That’s what it all comes down to.
That’s the point on which I crumbled in my former stance as a Gap Theorist.
Walter-123…So, what were the “sinless” circumstances, that could cause a “covering cherub”, Lucifer, to be cast out of God’s presence, onto the earth? The man of sin…IS death personified
I call what ya’ll have is an “erat-centric” viewpoint. All of your scriptural interpretations, can be true, if you really believe that this earth’s population are the only created peoples in this universe. This concept doesn’t even fit into my head.
We know that Satan was cast out and doing evil before Gen 1. I think it was way, way before Gen 1.
Discount all the ancient natural history, including carbon dating and fossil evidence, and you can believe that the creation of puny, weak, easy to seduce Adam was the first child of God.
I believe, can’t prove, but believe, that there has been stuff going on in God’s universe from way before we can even imagine. But of course we must see ourselves as special little people on a special little planet, like Israel and the U.S. are the ‘special’ nations on this special little planet. Its the same psychological error, in both views.
And still here we are, looking at the very same ongoing, blossoming revelation. And praising the Living God, for every tittle of truth we are given.
If you can’t accept that all the “races” were created separately, and the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve came later….and were created to solve a particular problem, we are not to get any farther than this, unless we find a better lexicon, to help us understand one another. Which is probably not going to happen, since logic and common sense are not allowed…
I still love you guys, and believe in you. The controversial things I’e seen are not really for the general public…yet here I am. spillin’ my guts…again..
I tried to not let my secrets out, but walter really hates secrets.
“if you really believe that this earth’s population are the only created peoples in this universe. This concept doesn’t even fit into my head.”
Thanks max/elijah for finally, finally starting to put your cards on the table. Look at all it took to get this far! At least we know better now where each of us stands. This next statement of yours is absolutely true:
“If you can’t accept that all the “races” were created separately, and the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve came later….and were created to solve a particular problem, we are not to get any farther than this…”
You’re right max, we’re not getting any further than this. You have finally spilled your guts and it’s not a pretty picture. You have verified that you gladly and willfully choose to go outside the Word for your beliefs.
Your book ends on the beginning of the Bible and end of the Bible are totally outside the Word. And as I told you this before max, your erroneous belief bookends on the Bible in and of themselves do not disqualify your salvation, but when your erroneous beliefs about the Adamic race and other races affects your worldview in how you view the races of men upon the earth in the way that you do, seeing some races above others, then that erroneous belief begins to infringe upon your salvation. I say this as one who wants to see your situation rectified max. You need to lean not on your own understanding but lean on the Word. Only then you can find your way out of the maze you find yourself in. I hope you get out max before the end comes. While the problem you have is correctable, the biggest obstacle in your path is YOU. You can speak all the spiritual mumbo jumbo you want (by mumbo jumbo I mean whimsical stuff from your imagination and beliefs that line up not with the Word), but it changes not a thing and you cannot proceed further into the kingdom of God until the following mindset of yours changes:
“Discount all the ancient natural history, including carbon dating and fossil evidence, and you can believe that the creation of puny, weak, easy to seduce Adam was the first child of God.
I believe, can’t prove, but believe, that there has been stuff going on in God’s universe from way before we can even imagine.”
If you don’t believe the Genesis account max, then Jesus asks how can you believe His words:
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
—John 5:46-47
To believe in Jesus and His words is to believe in the Genesis account. It’s right there in Jesus’ own words. If I were you max I would stay in Genesis and let it renew your mindset on creation. Start with focusing upon death entering creation through Adam. Read it. Meditate on it max. Do you believe in the book of Genesis?
I can lead you to the Water of the Word as I have done, but I can’t make you drink it.
I have done my best to show you the errors of your beliefs from the Word plain and simple. What you do with it is up to you max.
@elijah. Correct me if i have you wrong. You are arguing for the Gap Theory plus claiming that Evolution is a thing and Carbon-dating works. I won’t cover the same ground, as am123, but i will argue the point regarding evolution and carbon dating.
Did you know that carbon dating has dated different parts, of the same remains, as being tens of thousands of years apart? What about buried trees remaining upright and whole while 500,000 years worth of sediment accumulated until the tree was completely buried? Then there is the live snails that were dated at 27,000 years old and the shellfish dated at 23,000 years old that were fresh because they were still alive too. Enough on that, for now.
I saw you claim to have, in your possession, fossils that show evolution was something more than an interesting theory. I call BS but offer to review any evidence you might put up. To be clear i will be looking for a link specimen that indicates a change of kind.
The Gap Theory is entirely construed by Evolutionists, as a safety net for their fallacious argument, they need millions of years in order to explain their beliefs but i no longer do. Interestingly i’ve only ever seen Agnostics and Atheists arguing for either of the points i’ve covered. What gives?
And to what the fellas have already said, I would add only this:
It’s not like everything you’re saying is utterly without merit, Maximus. But the one unescapable ghost you have haunting your machine is that you did eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, whereas we are commanded NOT to do so. You imbibed in hallucinogenic/entheogenic comestibles. More than that, you imbibed to an obscene degree. More than that, you have MINGLED your view of the written Word with what you were ‘shown’ during your hallucinogenic episode. That, my brother, is a recipe for complete and utter disaster.
We know that the Most High has warned us about the dangers of imbibing these substances. And we can even learn a few of the (very good) reasons why He has done so. The Enemy has had his way with you, Maximus. That you cannot recognize this fact for what it is, is due solely to your underestimation of the Enemy. Perhaps the Enemy showed you something that was real, but he showed it to you out of place and out of proper time-sequence. Perhaps he invented things altogether. The point is this: You/we have no idea to what extent the Enemy has control over the realms we experience when we go against our Father’s orders and trespass into these inner and outer and other worlds. And just like in the Garden, our Father hasn’t made it impossible for us to disobey Him, He has merely said: “Thou shalt not.” Eve disobeyed. So did you. And now, you are in the unenviable position of having your Scriptural world-view perhaps permanently disfigured by what you have, no doubt, seen with your own ‘eyes.’ Have your eyes been opened? Have you been enlightened? But your eyes were clouded at the time by the spell of an Enemy you do not respect the way you should.
What you saw may have been real, Maximus, or it may have been false. None of us knows. Neither do you. But whatever you were shown, you do well to recall that Messiah HIMSELF told the disciples that, when they could scarcely comprehend the things of THIS world, He was not going to share with them many things of ANOTHER world, which they would most certainly NOT be able to understand.
You do well to consider these things more carefully than you have to this point.
Yo guys…..The belief that that the Adamic race was chosen for a special purpose is biblical. The idea that the races were created separately on the sixth day of creation IS biblical, as is the 8th day creation of of Adam. This is biblical truth that can’t be challenged without a peculiar interpretation of the scripture. If you think that makes for a belief in any kind of “supremacy” of the the Adamic race, That’s your problem. I don’t see it that way. In my view the Adamic race was chosen for sacrifice, and if you don’t think it hasn’t been hard on them, then you don’t know history.
Evolution, actual or not, does not include man….man was created ‘whole’ in the image of God (with a soul). We have logical, timely evidence that evolution iS part of the Animal world. If you think that’s not true you are not using your “God given” powers of reasoning. Right now, in fact we can look at wolves and dogs…the influence man has had on the development of canines is pretty good evidence of how it works.
The first world age is a real phenomena…It really happened. It was very lengthy. We have proof of it. Gen1 says says the world “became” void. How did that happen? It HAD to be the Lord’s doing, right? There HAD to be a reason. The rebellion of Lucifer IS biblical. The plan of creation is apparent….to draw out the destroyer, where he can be exposed and eliminated…he HAS been judged, and condemned.
Our earthly role in this plan is our glory. The Lord knew the population of the earth at the time of antichrist’s prideful, deceptive appearance would be, nearly, completely deceived and would pay with their mortal lives. He has given us all fair warning, and sent His only begotten Son to lay the ground work for HIS people’s salvation. ‘His’ people’s salvation. I know that’s not politically correct, but it is biblical.
I do not doubt any of the bible, I just don’t believe that the truth is apparent to very many people. I can’t take your ‘interpretation’, any more than anybody else’s….and if you think you don’t interpret the bible in your own fashion, then you do not understand the subtleties of language. Just because you believe you share an interpretation, with other men, does not make it gospel.
I stand for YHVH, all the way..in every way…as I did in the first earth/heaven age….i continue. I have no strength, indeed, no life at all, without my LORD.
Still love you, hold you in high regard. Will not bow to your interpretation. I love The Lord more.
If you don’t want to associate with me, after this, that’s understandable.
123…I tried to keep the more controversial subjects out of our dialogue….couldn’t do it.
Maximus,
There’s no reason we can’t discuss this topic every day of the week. These are interesting things to think about and to explore. There are also no reasons we can’t do it without getting hot under the collar. And you have as much right to assert your views as anyone. But with all that firmly in mind, we get down to a few of the more black-and-white questions which you appear to be skating around. I wonder whether you wouldn’t try taking a direct swing at the question am123 posed a few posts ago:
“…do you believe death entered creation through Adam in the garden?”
If you would, please, provide your answer to this specific question. Likewise, you may ask any direct questions of your own, and expect fairly immediate and specific answers to anything you ask.
Walter….what’s done is done. We all have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil…that means we can tell the difference. Adam and Eve did that for all of us. There is no going back.
I live in a world that opened this pandora’s box, a long time before we were a twinkle. I need two things for the guarantee of salvation: belief in the resurrection of Christ, YHVH’s savior, and repentance of sin.
Whatever I did in my youth was really, really innocent, and happened before I was a “mortal” sinner. (catch that RCC reference?) I was the least corrupt of all my acquaintances then, and except for a quick temper, I am still relating to the world in the same manner. I have made my peace with the living God.
Don’t think for a minute, that what you said about the abrogation of “sorcery”, wasn’t one of my very first investigations. Yeah….I KNOW the difference. Will never forget. But, putting that geni back in the bottle….can’t be done…..
So, what does one do in that situation? Give up, and believe I’m damned? Hell, no.
I went to work. In the Name of Jesus Christ. I have no limitations, I have no fear.
My enemy is my footstool. I have been forgiven my trespasses.
I suppose I could atone and pray for alzheimer’s, or blunt trauma, to take my “altered’ mind from me, but wouldn’t that be even more egregious? Sounds like you believe I must accept mental/intellectual limitations to satisfy other men, that I am sufficiently humble before My LORD. I think that is Jesus Christ’s territory. It has nothing to do with earthly judgments.
walter, I am nearing the end of a very creative, productive lifetime. I am most sorry for the things I haven’t done.
One day I will find patience and control of my emotions….on that day I will be closer to believing I am deserving of my blessings. Till then, I’ll be working on something….and it will probably be aggravating as hell.
Walter/123….death entered “reality” the instant” we” (Adam) gained the knowledge of, and knew the difference in, good and evil….till that moment ‘we’ didn’t know anything about it. We had life in God. God was our intimate partner in all we did, every second of every minute, but we turned away and “satisfied” ourselves, away from Him. Our relationship with God was not restored till the coming of Christ and his sacrifice. Life, is, once more, death is done, for God’s children.
There is a line drawn in the sand. History can tell you that it has been a chaotic, confused and dangerous existence that man has lived on this earth…all because of one moment’s inattention.
So, yes I believe that death came from Adam’s actions.
“The idea that the races were created separately on the sixth day of creation IS biblical, as is the 8th day creation of of Adam.”
That’s the biggest problem I have with you max. You make such assertions WITHOUT backing it up. Where is your Biblical proof for that statement?
“So, yes I believe that death came from Adam’s actions.”
Do you not speak of death BEFORE Adam’s time?
“The first world age is a real phenomena…It really happened. It was very lengthy. We have proof of it. Gen1 says says the world “became” void.”
Actually, GEN 1:1 does NOT say it BECAME void. Again, you are making a claim which doesn’t line up with Scripture.
am123,
According to a word-for-word translation of the Hebrew into English, Genesis 1:2 would read: ‘and the Earth she became TOHU (without form) wa BOHU (and void).
Them’z the facts. So if Max adheres to a reading of that verse which allows for a TIME PERIOD to have elapsed, according to SHE BECAME, then there’s no sound reason I can think of to object. I’m never very interested in the consensus of the translators. The real problems between our understandings begin with Adam. If death came into the world through Adam, then why are the members of supposedly alternate bloodlines being afflicted by Adam’s curse? No one could have died before Adam, and, in theory, no one who is not of his bloodline should be taken by death at any time. How death came to afflict ALL of mankind is something Max would have to explain, hopefully by resorting to a plain reading of Scripture.
But Max, if we proceed, please do remember that this isn’t a battle. This is only a conference. If you feel yourself becoming overly agitated, just step away…
You wrote:
“I need two things for the guarantee of salvation: belief in the resurrection of Christ, YHVH’s savior, and repentance of sin.”
Noted. And agreed. But belief and repentance must be in accord with the biblical definition of those terms, and not our private interpretation of them. That’s not an accusation. That’s just a statement of fact.
“Whatever I did in my youth was really, really innocent, and happened before I was a “mortal” sinner.”
What we did in our youthful years was done in ignorance, not in innocence. Ignorance and innocence are not the same. We were dirty then just as we’re dirty now. The only difference is that now, hopefully, we’ve learned a thing or two.
“But, putting that geni back in the bottle….can’t be done…”
Truth. But the Genii can be sequestered and his power over you can be greatly diminished. You can become stronger into your final years in this world – the Genii cannot.
“So, what does one do in that situation? Give up, and believe I’m damned? Hell, no.”
I don’t believe you’re damned, Maximus. And I hope nothing I’ve said made you think I was suggesting it. Not so.
“I have been forgiven my trespasses.”
We may be forgiven, but we will still be judged according to our individual conduct – and this includes the world(s)-view we develop in light of our Creator’s Instructions. Forgiveness does not mean freedom from repercussions and it does not mean freedom from responsibility.
123…mankind- Ah’dahm, had no idea of the difference in the spiritual quality of life and death….they lived in the embrace of the living God. Nothing had ever come between the people and the Creator….They had no concept of ‘disobedience’….no laws had ever been imposed, all they did was go forth and multiply….. there were no other instructions….its hard to break the rules when there are none.
One thing is backed up by studies of the ancients….All of them were very aware of an afterlife, and the creator’s role in it. To them it was all one life.
There were no “thou shalt nots” till the Lord told Adam to leave the tree of knowledge alone.
Mayhem….I’m sure i covered the ‘evolution’ subject above some where. Man was created whole with soul, in the image of God. I am sure.
I can take any subject and minimize the supportive parts and cherry pick assorted ‘facts’ to assert nearly anything could be false, or conversely make any theory acceptable on the surface. If a real investigation is out of reach it is usually due to pre-supposition. You’re not like that now are you?
If you’d rather ignore provable fact, than inspect your interpretation of bible verses, that’s O.K. with me…..I’m not proselytizing. If that is NOT you, you are blessed with an open mind.
Walter….I think I’ve been doing real well with the “hot under the collar” thing…..In fact I’m doing a lot better at it in all my interactions….although I am getting where I no longer care enough to the point of agitation. and let me say, in all fairness, these conversations are very interesting to me, and inspire some good productive studies. yeay!!…lemonade out of lemons.
You’re doing fine, Maximus. Just remember, all we’re brothers. We’re supposed to get pissed off at each other from time to time. Speedy recovery is the key, I have learned.
As long as you can give an explanation for your stance, accordingly as Peter taught us, then no man has any business gainsaying where you stand. Just prepare to be questioned. Beliefs need to be tested and re-tested, constantly, and that’s most of what we do around here. But where we see perceived flaws or weakness in your doctrine, we are going to hit you there. That’s just how it is. Nothing but Truth withstands the constant barrage. It isn’t animus that drives this. It’s all done according to the Word. Everything must be tested and refined. This is not about a tearing down, but a building up and strengthening – which is the exact opposite of what our enemies around here hope to see happening. Let’s do our best to disappoint the Enemy.
Beefy wally,
You know I’m no Hebrew scholar, but in the interest of fairness, it should be pointed out many Hebrew scholars (and apparently all translations) reject the idea of GEN 1:2 saying the earth BECAME void. Here is but one:
“In Genesis 1:2a the verb is perfect. It indicates a fixed and completed state. In other words, original matter was in a state of chaos when created: it came into being that way.”
— Hebrew scholar W. C. Watts, A SURVEY OF OLD TESTAMENT PREACHING p. 16.
But regardless, I agree max has bigger fish to fry. Death entering through Adam is one crucial point yet to be addressed, but good luck trying to get max to pin that tail on the donkey. I’m a patient guy, I’ll try again.
Another such critical juncture is the fact that it took 6 days for the Lord to create the heavens and earth and all that is in them. That includes Satan and all angels, animals, mankind, etc.
max,
If we can focus on a specific point, that would help clear up some misunderstandings. I want to know better where you’re coming from, so with that in mind, if you agree that death entered creation through Adam in the garden, please explain what you think went on eons ago. Was there any death in the early history you speak of? And can you verify if you are claiming it took place even before DAY 1 of CREATION?
123….I’ll do all I can to get and answer to your death/adam question. Its probably gonna take the same tack as the ‘mother of all living’ question. I’ll probably come back with the ‘spiritual vs fleshly’ argument. dig out the extended magazine.
I’ve been real busy with my mom…she’s 83. ‘real’ world activities take precedent. looks like we’re wearing out this thread. I will catch up.
“You know I’m no Hebrew scholar, but in the interest of fairness, it should be pointed out many Hebrew scholars (and apparently all translations) reject the idea of GEN 1:2 saying the earth BECAME void.”
Fairness was my point, am123. (You need a nick-name. am123 doesn’t exactly roll of the tongue. Fellas, let’s get on that…) We don’t need to look far for translations or for ideologies that rule out ‘had become.’ All I’m saying is that the Hebrew absolutely allows for such an interpretation without resorting to linguistic gymnastics. If it’s central to Max’s espoused theology, and it exists in the Manuscripts, then it’s perfectly fair for him to point to it as supportive of his case.
Fair enough max. Like I said, I’m a patient man.
@ BEEF, I need a new nickname you say? Hmmmm….I’ve been called everything from idiot, to god, and everything in between on these pages, including an “End Time Demon”.
I answer to anything basically.
“looks like we’re wearing out this thread.”
Well then, I just created a new article where these comments would be right at home.
And for a teaser, I propose a theory about the seemingly contradictory order of events in the first two chapters of Genesis.
/spirit/2015/03/the-book-of-genesis-it-matters-2492472.html
Is the wolf not genus canis? Are they not Dogs? If you collated the genetic material of all the different types of Dogs, i believe, you’ll have the exact DNA from the kind found on the Ark. The genetic variations are caused by circumstance and that is not evolution. It is selection and whether it’s intentional or natural doesn’t make any difference. You give a “type” as an example of a “kind” and completely overlook the point of my question. Surely it is you, elijah, who doesn’t understand the subtleties of language.
Provable fact my left nut. The Theory of Evolution is a clear and direct attack on Genesis 3 that does not withstand critical examination. And i will not have you speak to me condescendingly without i object. You weren’t here to see why evolution, for good reason, isn’t touted on the bin. But there are more important issues at hand and i don’t wish to distract you from the questions already tabled.
“You give a “type” as an example of a “kind” and completely overlook the point of my question.”
I’m actually astonished that max/elijah would give an example of variation within a species or kind as a defense of evolution. If a wolf or dog gave birth a chicken for example, then he would be onto something
Heck all he’d need is a wolf and a chicken mating and he’d be halfway there
Well, as you no doubt know already, there are Titans specifically mentioned in the Bible. Since you already know there’s n need for me to quote specifics but Apollo is specifically named as he has a role to play once he’s released.
If people would actually go into the Jewish Torah and Historical accounts rather than the readers digest version many of us are familiar with it clearly tells us the Titans are in fact the Men of Renown mentioned in Genesis. Now, none of this is intended to refute what you’re saying, don’t misunderstand my intention. It just shows that if people actually studied they likely would see how as you seem to be pointing out how all of this is actually connected.
how do you know whAt YOU say is true about the hebrew God having a jackal head and human body? YOU DONT!!!
Comprehension not your strong point?
If you actually believe what you’re saying life must be fun in your little fairyland city. Where is it, on Mars?, Jupiter, USA?
Dustdevil
“They also used ‘divine powers’ to lift and set the blocks” (called a counter balanced pulley), “where the humans were mere ‘cattle for the labor of slaves’”, (not).
They loved working for the state because they were fed, housed and given medical treatment. It’s was their way of paying tax, they paid with their labour, X number of weeks a year. They lived much better lives working for the state than fending for themselves in their flea infested mud huts, scratching a living in the dirt and from a few worm ridden goats.
Nothing but metal.
Indeed Lisa, once upon a time, during the time of Noah, and also afterwards, there were giants upon the earth, just as the Bible tells us:
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they chose.
3 And the LORD said: ‘My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for that he also is flesh; therefore shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.’
4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
—Genesis 6:1-4 Masoretic text
Verse 4 in the King James Version reads “giants” instead of “Nephilim”.
The Bible says this of the giants in the promised land:
“And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.”
—Numbers 13:33
Using the grasshopper analogy, if you do the actual math and you go with for example an average grasshopper length of 4 inches for arguments sake and then if you go with 6 feet for the average size of a man, then that would make the giants spoken of in Numbers 13:33 to be upwards of 100 feet tall!
Amos 2:9 tells of a giant Amorite as tall as cedar trees, which can reach heights upwards of 100 feet or so:
“Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.”
—Amos 2:9
Virtually all civilizations on earth have legends of giants. Skeletons of giants have been found in the mounds of middle America. Back in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s, newspaper accounts (many from the NY Times no less) tell of some of these skeletons of giants discovered in the middle mounds of America:
http://www.sydhav.no/giants/newspapers.htm
However, bones of giants does not fit in with the silly and foolish theory of evolution. And so lo and behold, the Smithsonian scrambled to cover up as much of the evidence as they could for those who worship at the altar of evolution won’t let the facts in the ground get in the way of their religion o no!
But while giants did indeed walk upon this earth and existed during the time of Noah and also afterwards, do nephilim/giants play parts in the end times scenario? No, they do not. There are no giants amongst the participants in the end times scenario, be it the manchild of REV 12, the 2 who are one in REV 11, the one called the Destroyer (Abaddon) of REV 9:11 fame (for more on those characters in the end times ensemble, see /prophecy/2014/02/the-mystery-of-god-in-the-book-of-revelation-the-two-witnesses-the-manchild-and-the-destroyer-as-you-have-never-heard-them-spoken-of-before-2458894.html?currentSplittedPage=0), or the beast that arises out of the sea in REV 13:1, or the beast that arises out of the earth in REV 13:11, or anyone else in the end times scenario.
In chapter 24 of Matthew, when Jesus itemized the signs that would precede the Second Coming, do you think He would have left out such a BIG sign as GIANTS roaming the earth? I think not.
This is good stuff Lisa. The offspring of the sons of God and human women were giants. They were giant beings to be reckoned with. But you go astray in your other articles when you try and make the case, without any Scriptural backing, that these awesome giants in the Bible are now little 3 or 4 foot pipsqueaks which can be neutralized with one good whack with a baseball bat.
Check out the hammer that was embedded in rock.
Dear am123.
You are so correct my brother. I enjoy reading your comments.
Dear twodads,
Thank you so very much.
Grace and peace to you from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Lisa:
Does this mean that you’re prepared to accept the possibility that the Norse gods existed as well? Odin awaits your reply.
As am123 states, giants were in the earth in those days. They freely roamed, and thus would have set up kingdoms in the Norse lands, as everywhere else.
These giants are the source of the norse god legends; so yes, they did exist, but they were not gods, except in a figurative sense.
ps Note to Lisa, before Pink Slime gets his three ha’pence worth in; “Verses” in the opening credits has an entirely different meaning to “Versus”; which is the word you require.
See me after school if this is still unclear.
HereamI….yep, you got it all down in one simple sentence….good going.
Tell that to the Norse, or those who still practice Asatru.
HearAmI,
I will notify her.
Hey, ummm, Angle#1 in your opening shots it’s VERSUS not VERSES. Bad grammar, miss pronunciations and misspellings Angle#1. They are only to be used when the SHTF. Keep your powers secret.
I believe my Angles are all high on doughnuts and coffee making memo to all to cut back. They have been all very strange this past week.
If there were large animals, in ancient times, why couldn’t there be large human beings, possibly larger than the dinosaur, sort of like we are to the modern lizard! Ponder it, now magnify everything in your minds eye! Ahh, there we go! Man is the only animal that buries their dead so dig deeper and in the right spot! There most assuredly was more animals than Human! Maybe the land we know was under the Ocean at the time of giants, and vise-versa! It’s easier to believe the bible especially when accounts have been proven from archeology, than to believe a Man, with a theory, or a whim! Did you go to College? Think!
Above comment for bible, naysayers not Author!
You have already been told, more than once, who, and where, and why you are on this Earth, so there will be no excuses!
So the Nordic gods are real? Hail wodan!
DEAR LISA if u are a seeker of real truth read [THE SEALED PORTION] U WONT BE DISSAPOINTED
“Little Lord Fauntleroy’s tummy hurts because there’s too much roast beef in it!”
So you’re a chicken too, eh? I think the coop is big enough for the both of us. There’s actually 3 of us now. I’m 2 chickens.
It’s not like it says “Thor’s Hammer” on it. This thing could have belonged to anyone. No one will ever know though.
your trying to tell me thor defended his city from giants with a 4cm hammer? lol you need serious help.
Not really.
If you had listened, and understood, you would have realised that these items are, to use Lisa’s inimitable pronunciation, “Emulets”; ie charms worn around the neck to ward off evil, as represented by the true hammer of Thor, and indeed of Thor himself, who was altogether a larger entity, with a correspondingly larger hammer.
Proves Biblical account of giants? It’s a necklace. It’s about 5 cm long! That’s a hell of a small giant! There are thousands of them. They are (re)used as such today.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=thors+hammer+amulets&biw=1024&bih=611&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9Lf5VM6DFezU7Abwj4DwDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
If you want giants in Scandinavia investigate the Ice Giants. The Ice is glaciers (i.e. water i.e. flood that destroys the world).
Wouldn’t Thor be a Nephilim also? He was a man of renown with unearthly powers. There must have been a power struggle going on between the fallen angels offspring.
Good read gets you thinking
That cannot be Thor’s hammer because only he can lift it and obviously somebody other than Thor lifted this hammer out of the ground to take this picture…
mwhahaha, a bits of a puzzle, ALL who wear that symbol, BELONG to Thor, AKA ELIJAH, he of firey chariot, whirlwinds and thunder, he of much throat slitting, many gentiles will come to the Word, as Thor will tell them :
Mal 4:1 “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said יהוה of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 “But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall.
Mal 4:3 “And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said יהוה of hosts.
Mal 4:4 “Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’ĕl – laws and right-rulings.
Mal 4:5 “See, I am sending you Ěliyah1 the prophet before the coming of the great and awesome day of יהוה. Footnote: 1Lk. 1:17.
Mal 4:6 “And he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with utter destruction1.” Footnote: 1Zech. 14:11.
I believe that archaeologists are being led to these ancient discoveries to make sure the sheeple still “believe” so that when the antichrist and Jesus show up the sheeple will bow down to them as servants. We are not servants to anyone, we need to get off of our knees and stop being slaves to their system.
American….hate to tell you, son….we ALL serve somebody….It may be the devil, or it may be the Lord…but, we’ve all got to serve somebody. If you are not serving the Lord, the “living God”, you serve Satan’s purposes.
We are weak, temporal beings born into a chaotic reality, seeking only stability and assurance. Those are things we can only imagine, achieving on our own. Any efficacy we attain, in this plane of existence is from one father or the other. We gotta serve somebody.
Thats my hammer. I was wondering where I lost it. You may return it, no questions asked….
Lord Humungus would be gravely disappointed to admit in public that he have 5 cm detachable hammer.
Even at that lord hummings would be grossly exaggerating
Lord Humungus offers congratulation to you for finding your little hammer…
But offer sincere condolences to your wife
( give her my card )
Poor Gail confided to me, Humungous, that, with the average of 5.2 inches x 4.5” girth, YOU measured up to about 1.5”.
It is enough to make a girl cry.
One would think that with the ever present video camera no one would feel invincible.
Especially when you aren’t the one with the camera and it’s not connected in any way, shape or form to the computer.
Files, files, files…..I do love bringing a story together.
See…..that is what a good doctor does….gathers evidence from scant symptoms and solves a problem. While I am not a doctor……I was excellent Assistant.
Doesn’t look much like a hammer to me! Especially to kill giants with! My 22oz straight claw to the back of the head would do 100% better than that puny thing! LOL
I would say, giants came from a different planet and a planet that was 10 times the size of the earth too. Considering their size to be called giants, one has to take into consideration that like fish. The bigger the waters, the bigger the fish.
The reason I say they’re from a different planet (out there in space) is cause they were also called fallen angles. Back then to be called fallen angles they would have fallen (or come down) from the sky. If they had not come from the sky they would have stated that they just appeared on the earth. (Maybe like, Beam me up/down Scotty!) To fully or as close as possible, one must think as they did back then. Forget all the tech stuff we know. Then and only then can one see what they thought when they saw things back then.
5 cm !! was thor a “grey”?
Hello Angle#1,
Old news but at least you pronounced “giants” and “Thor” correctly, and all our linguist agreed and nodded so you get to keep your job. Phew…..
Signed,
An exasperated Charlie (been a tough week).
The angels did not have ‘sex’ with the women. It is a misinterpretation or a misunderstanding. When it states ‘they saw the women were fair’ , it simply means ‘useful’. Yes, they mixed their genetic with ours, but it was not in the traditional method of ‘procreation’. “The two becoming one flesh” is not some mystical ‘spiritual oneness’, but merely the conception of another person (child). Genetic takeover of the earth is what the agenda has been all along. Unfortunately, their agenda is almost complete.
No fallen angels would be allowed to procreate with humans. this is satanist wishful thinking.
Obviously, your scripture if you have one, is not the bible
Fallen angels would not be allowed to breed with humans. That is a satanists wishful thinking
It is the bible, but not the satanist bible.
one more time; – Fallen angels would not be allowed to breed with humans. That is a satanists wishful thinking
Being allowed and being capable are two completely different things.
Is it so hard to believe that Fallen Angels, cast out by God, would care if there was a Prohibition against them breeding with the human race? It’s not like God could expel them from Heaven twice.
Neo is right. demons would not be capable. they are not human and they have no attraction for women. they are not made that way. All angels are possibly male. there has never been a recorded instance in history to my knowledge where an angel was female. Ther nephilim were descended from human mothers and human fathers. If you hear different it is from the evil one aka a lie.
“No fallen angels would be allowed to procreate with humans”
The sons of God were allowed, but they of course are not fallen angels.
Can anyone show where the Bible says the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 are fallen angels?
Because it certainly isn’t in the book of Job (1:6, 2:1, 38:7) or in the New Testament!
Think about it. Why would the first occurrence of such a key phrase in the Bible (“sons of God”) be a reference to bad angels
when the rest of the occurrences of the “sons of God” in the Bible are all positive and good? Hmmm?
am123,
Were they fallen BEFORE they had left their first estate?
No.
Chronology, brother.
Can fallen angels procreate with earth women? What does the Bible say . . .
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven
(Matthew 22:30 KJV)
Someone said “of heaven”. Weren’t some angels cast out? And not by TELE pathy either.
Thors hammer was 5 cm wide?
how do you know whAt YOU say is true about the hebrew God having a jackal head and human body? YOU DONT!!!
Read his comment again genius
Scientific fact is, before the flood, all people were “giants” in the true sense of the word by today’s standard. Men were on average 16 feet tall and women around 14 feet. After the flood, mankind lost a lot more then years of life. They lost their magnificent stature as well. To further illustrate my findings regarding the word “giants” in Genesis 6:4. The Easton Bible Dictionary’s first definition of “giants” is as follows…
(1.) Heb. nephilim, meaning “violent” or “causing to fall” (Gen. 6:4). These were the violent tyrants of those days, those who fell upon others. The word may also be derived from a root signifying “wonder,” and hence “monsters” or “prodigies.” In Num. 13:33 this name is given to a Canaanitish tribe, a race of large stature, “the sons of Anak.” The Revised Version, in these passages, simply transliterates the original, and reads “Nephilim.”
If you investigate the word “giants ” in Genesis 6:4 you will find it speaks more of their “attitude” size rather then their “physical” size”.
As for the “sons of God” in Genesis 6:4 being translated to depict fallen angels. Common sense has to be graphically called upon here to ask the question. Would God call fallen angels the sons of God? Some say the “sons of God” are good angels as well. However, Mark 12:25 says we will be like Angels that can’t “marry” when Heaven starts…
Mark 12:25, “For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.”
So, if the “sons of God” are now good angels in Genesis 6:4, they are now committing adultery and or fornication by having sex with women without marriage.
Who are the “sons of God” according to your bibles? Read the following passages most that preach “sons of God = angels” never seem to share…
John 1:12, “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
Romans 8:14, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
Romans 8:19, “For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.”
Philippians 2:15, “That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;”
1 John 3:1, “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.”
1 John 3:2, “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
Does this series of passages describe fallen angels? Or is it describing the followers of God? The Sons of God were, and still are the people of God. They sinned in that they took women to wife that God specifically commanded against. It’s that simple.
Also see this study… http://biblelight.net/nephilim.htm
“Scientific fact..” is how you begin. No proof is supplied to support this ‘fact’. You then ask “Would God call fallen angels the sons of God?”
Psalm 82 “6 I said, “You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. 7 “Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes.”…
You then go on to quote a whole bunch of New Testament verses deliberately ignoring the fact that every time the phrase “sons of God” is used in the Old Testament it is speaking of Angels.
http://www.gotquestions.org/sons-of-God.html
my comment, was deleted,
o well, guess youll just find out anyhoo later, cant miss it.
“Archaeologist are Floored”?
I want to see video and other evidence showing “Archaeologist are Floored”
Are there at least Pictures of said Foored Archaeologists?
If Lisa wants to be respected as a credible journalist then she should show proof that “Archaeologist are Floored”
she left that bus and now travels the fairyland express – goes wherever you want it to
doesn’t prove anything except an overactive imagination
Yeah, it’s called a torshammere, it’s an amulet and measures a few centimeters, so I guess these would be microscopic giants you’re talking about.
You’re crazy cakes get more desperate every day.
Oh no not another article written by this twat,
Just a warning to readers, Of lisa articles,
when done do your own research PLEASE!
ma what a coo coo bird she is,
You always make yourself look Stellar, Stallard.
your neighbors must warn their kids, don’t talk to her
As a Dane, proud of my history and my ancestors, I feel compelled to make an argument against this campaign of disinformation. This is extremely manipulating and untruthful news. A clear example of a religion trying to proof their arguments through manipulating actual scientific news. Yes there has been a find in Denmark of a Thor´s Hammer pendant, but it is most certainly NOT proof of the myths of the bible being true.
Indeed the auther here is distorting and misleading it´s readers. The hammer has absolutely nothing to do with the christian cross, I can assure everybody. The hammer symbolises the great God of Thunder Thor´s hammer Mjølner. It has been around far far longer than the christian cross. Way before the Danes ever heard about, and were forced to convert to christianity.
Also, Lisa Haven alleges that there is the symbol of a cross on this particular hammer, hidden in the Runes. This is WRONG. There is no cross hidden in the runes. When Danish archeologists talk about a sign in the runes, which Lisa calls a cross, refering to the christian cross it is indeed wrong, actually it is a clear example of a context that is lost in translating from one language to another. In a video explaining about the find, one archeologist is using the danish word “Kryds” wich actually means an “X”, if the archeologist had meant to say cross as in the christian context the cross, she would have used the word “Kors”. Very significant difference between Kryds and Kors in the Danish language. And in this case the truth or from a christian point of view the devil, is hidden in the details.
Lisa Haven is jumping to far fetched conclusions, built on pure conjecture and speculation on the one purpose of promoting her own religious conviction.
Further more, it is very arrogant to think that all religions around the world in one way or another “proves” christianity or the bible to be the one and only truth.
Fine if you want to believe in christianity, but do not try and deceive people with manipulation science in your favor. That is, in my book, willfully lying and deceiving.
DUH thats what lisa does, post an steals other peoples articles an puts her own twist on it,
Well if this IS Thor’s hammer…..then where is his TOOL BELT and the rest of his tools ???!!!!