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By Larry Beane

There is a discussion on a Lutheran Facebook group about whether we Lutherans are Protestant or Catholic.

Maybe we should let our confessions have the final say:

“This is about the Sum of our Doctrine, in which, as can be seen, there is nothing that varies from the Scriptures, or from the Church Catholic, or from the Church of Rome as known by its writers.”

And,

“…our churches dissent in no article of the faith from the Church Catholic, but only omit some abuses which are new, and which have been erroneously accepted by the corruption of the times, contrary to the intent of the Canons.”

The Book of Concord is filled with this kind of language.

Not counting the creeds, the word “Catholic” occurs 13 times in our Book of Concord, including the description of our confession explicitly as “the belief of the true and genuine catholic Church.”

The word “Protestant” is not found even once in our confessional writings, although it was in common usage for decades by the time the Smalcald Articles and the Formula of Concord were written.

To call ourselves “Protestant” lumps us in with the Reformed, the Anabaptists, and their heirs of today – which are all quite different from each other. When we confess as Protestant, we unite with those who ordain women, refuse to baptize babies, speak in “tongues,” and deny the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist. This does not describe our confession.

The word Protestant is a useless catch-all word that cannot be defined positively for anyone.
However, when we confess as Catholic, we confess exactly as our confessional documents do, as orthodox Christians in continuity with Scripture, with the apostles, and with the fathers; not innovators, not heretics.

We should return to the font of our Book of Concord and not yield to others who wish to define us as something we aren’t.


Source: http://gottesdienstonline.blogspot.com/2017/02/catholics-andor-protestants.html


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    • Firmament Does Exist

      Catholics and Protestants both practice the ancient Babylonian Mystery Religion of sun worship. Under Constantine they combined the holy with the profane. Exchanging YHWHs law/holy days/sabbath forbidding the true faith on Messiah Yahushua for sun worship as Constantines god was Apollo. The Emperor endorsed the changing of the Hebrew Messiah for a new god named Jesus H. Christ, I.H.S, Iesus Horus changing sabbath to Sunday with no authority to do so, also doing away with Holy days for Roman pagan days of Ishtar/Easter Sunday and Christmass. YHWH never made a covenant with anyone other than Yisrael. Yahushuas renewed covenant was with Yisrael although anyone can be grafted in. Yahushua, apostles and the 13th apostle Paul never practiced Christianity in spite of the Jesuit mistranslations. Original scripture never says “church” but instead says my Yisraelite brothers, assembly.

      • Damien

        Then St Paul also never grafted anyone into his Yisraelite faith.

        Just the opposite.

    • Deputy Dawg

      It is my understanding that Lutherans, Protestant and Catholic all subscribe to the same false doctrine so it really doesn’t matter much which one you are. Their imaginative fabrications and interpretations do not even come close to correlating with God’s Word the Bible. I’m not taking about minor variations or slight miscalculations either, I’m talking about a doctrine that is pretty much opposite of the One True God’s.

      First, these religions all falsely believe that man has an immortal spirit, one that either ascends to heaven or descends to a torturous eternity depending on your physical behavior while alive. Neither of which is true. Jesus tells us in no uncertain terms in the Book of John that nobody but him will ever ascend to heaven.

      John 3:12-13 (KJV) “If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

      The very reasonable question one should pose to themselves is; “why in the world then would I want to go to heaven if scripture tells me that the Kingdom of God will reign on earth?” Wanting this reward truly defies logic. If given the choice most would probably prefer to be with God, to be a member of His family Elohim and living in His Kingdom here on earth. That is the plan, the intention of God that the those mesmerized by the persuasive words of the harlot and her offspring fail to grasp.

      When Jesus provided man a proper example of who to pray to and what to pray for, Christ gave man the Lord’s Prayer. The second verse of that remarkable prayer kind of drives the point home. It says “Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” It’s difficult to argue with the Son of God. God’s Will shall be accomplished just as Jesus describes.

      Amazingly enough the ascending to heaven idea was first premiered by a rebellious angel named Lucifer who became God’s number one adversary, Satan the devil.

      Isaiah 14:12-14 (KJV) “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

      Man going to heaven was never part of God’s plan for mankind, but Lucifer was fixated on it. It was his challenge to the authority of God Almighty. He falsely believed that he and the rest of God’s angels were self sustained, that he could ultimately take God’s place and rule. God Yahweh had different plans. He made them before the creation of the heaven and earth. He devised a plan where His Kingdom would to come to earth where He would establish His family Elohim for all eternity.

      Pay close attention to what is being said in the following passage;

      Revelation 20:4-5 (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION.”

      This “first resurrection” is to involve 144,000 people who like Christ was, will raised to spirit. These are the tried and true God has carefully selected over the past six thousand years to help Jesus run things during his millennial reign. Everyone else must wait for the “second resurrection” that will occur just after the millennial reign of Christ. These people, unlike their predecessors, will be resurrected, however rather than spirit they’ll be given a restored physical body. You’ll understand why momentarily.

      Everyone who is raised in the “second resurrection” will be given a period to analyze the opportunity God put before them. If they reject God, if they refuse to repent of their sin, they will return to thier former state of death. They will return to the dust from where they came. There will be no future opportunity for resurrection. This is called the “second death.” From this point forward there is no escape, the party is over!

      Try to keep it fresh in mind that the wage for sin is death, it is not a torturous eternity of pain and suffering in a place called Hell. God is all merciful, a God of love, He would never even think of going back on His word. He promised that the wage of sin would be death and that will be exactly how it comes down. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust! If you unremorsefully decide you’d rather do it your way rather than God’s your name will promptly be wiped from the book of life.

      Revelation chapter 21 describes God’s plan fairly well. As we can see by this passage the fallacy of man ascending to heaven is put to rest.

      Revelation 21:1-8 (KJV) “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

      If these religions supporting doctrinal vandalism isn’t bad enough, each of these religions practice elements of Baal. They worship their god on the first day of the week which is when Mithraism gathers and the sun god is worshiped. God’s weekly sabbath in on the seventh day or Saturday, the last day of the calendar week. God says to keep His Sabbath sacred.

      Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV) “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”

      Ironically these religions recognize all other nine commandments as valid but reject just one, the forth commandment regarding God’s Sabbath. They ridiculously say the Sabbath was fulfilled by Jesus and has been nailed to the cross. Jesus on the other hand told us that nothing would change in the Law until the fat lady sings.

      Matthew 5:17-19 (KJV) “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

      These religions replace one of God’s appointed times, His annual celebration of Passover with the honoring of the pagan goddess Ishtar, the mother of God and queen of heaven in the religion Baal and/or Eastra, the goddess of spring. By creating this tradition Satan was able to remove from human consciousness the only piece of evidence Jesus agreed to give the Pharisees proving that he was the Messiah. He prophesied he would remain in the heart of the earth three days and three nights after being put to death.

      According to God a day begins and ends at evening. A day is defined as being from evening to evening. These religions fail to comprehend the obvious. If Jesus died in cooperation with their characterization of a late Friday death (Good Friday) and then he was resurrected early Sunday morning this time frame falls far short of the three days and nights Christ foretold. This cunning ploy not only erases the celebration of Passover, the annual honoring Christ’s sacrifice, it removes that prophetic evidence falsely rendering Christ a liar. Ask yourself, Who would do such a thing? Would those be men of God?

      These religions have no respect for Jesus Christ. They callously and disrespectfully celebrate his harvest time birth in the depth of winter on the evil giant/god and founder of Baal, Nimrod’s December 25th birthday.

      I could go on and on describing the doctrinal errors of these churches, but I think by now you got the picture. Either God has opened your mind enough to grasp His truth and see how misguided these religions are, or you will remain rooted with the harlot, bound to fantasies of faith Satan has constructed to mislead you.

      Please note, I have nothing but love and empathy for all these lost and misled people. I offer this specifically to those actively seeking Truth,

      A Student of the Word

    • Firmament Does Exist

      123s of Christianity
      1 Disregard the sabbath day.
      2 Follow the pagan Gregorian calendar instead of YHWHs calendar
      3 Read Bibles that changed all the Hebrew names..
      YHWH to lord/Baal/gad Yahushua to Jesus H Christ I.H.S., Passover to Ishtar/Easter

      Yahushuas Renewed Covenant for the lost sheep of Yisrael and those grafted in.

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