The Manifestation of the Sons and Daughters of God
A Message From Father God for August 25, 2016
The Manifestation of the Sons and Daughters of God
My Children, this is your Father God, speaking to you now. Listen carefully, as I update you on your condition in this world today. The Devil has the whole world under his magic spell of darkness. And what is darkness, and deep darkness, at that? It is DECEPTION. The people are living under a false reality. What the majority of people believe about the world, is spellcast upon them by black magical arts. These are ancient arts that have been perfected by your enemies with the use of technological means.
I am going to talk to you about the prince of this world and how he has deceived mankind.
You should know and believe that ever since Adam disobeyed, Satan has had dominion over your world. Remember also that Satan offered that dominion to Jesus, trying to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.
Those whom you call The Powers That Be (TPTB) worship and serve Satan, and take orders from the principalities, powers, and rulers of darkness in high places.
These spiritual entities were originally meant to assist mankind with inspiration over regions, cities, and farmlands. They were meant to be as lesser gods under My rulership, but they fell into darkness, being deceived by Satan.
As you can see, here are examples of two principalities over Persia and Greece who were orchestrating the decisions of rulers of those kingdoms. These entities are highly intelligent and have an advantage of knowing the bigger picture for directing the activities of TPTB that serve them. They deceive powerful men to execute their evil plans.
So, to recap, you have Satan and these rulers influencing the elite to implement their plans for a New World Order. Understanding this, you now know why the NWO plans have been in place for centuries. These plans will culminate in the coming of the Antichrist or Beast who will at first bring peace to the world, but in the end, demand worship as though he were God. And by that time, most of the people will obey and worship him.
Why Isaiah warned that ‘gross darkness’ would be upon you is because of the technological advances available to your elite controllers. I will give you some research terms for you to investigate to inform yourselves of what you are up against. You need to look into Sentient World Simulation (SWS). This simulation run by powerful quantum computers has individual “nodes” to represent every person on Earth, and can predict how people will react to given Psychological Operations (PSYOP).
Pentagon Wants ALL Data to Recreate ‘Parallel Virtual Earth’ for Testing and Conditioning Human Responses to Psy-ops in Real Time [Poll]
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3267010/pg1
The next item to research is “Electronic Warfare”, and you can look at the work done by Deborah Tavares and her website, http://www.stopthecrime.net/ She covers many topics related to existing electronic warfare and the plans to exert more control through using Climate-change Projects and Climate Action Plans. http://stopthecrime.net/cap.html
See also:
USA INC Predatory Government Betrayal – We’re Living In A False Reality [video]
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3269709/pg1
ARE YOU A TI ? Targeted Individual? – Warning re: Voice to skull Technology
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3269771/pg1
Excerpt:
“One especially invasive attack method in the arena of ‘psycho-electronic’ mind control is ‘voice to skull’. Voice to skull is the transmission of voice, or any other audible or subliminal sound, directly into the hearing sense of the mind control victim. This is sometimes done around the clock and can be one of the severest forms of torture. Voice to skull technology is sometimes referred to as “synthetic telepathy.” Current-day voice to skull cannot be stopped by any known electromagnetic shielding, a fact which demonstrates how advanced classified mind control technology has become.”
Stop right here and listen carefully, My Children. I alone can protect you from any and all such technologies, but you must ASK ME, NOW.
[PAUSE]
And lastly, you need to study about the Mandela Effect or Quantum Effect, whereby the evildoers use CERN and D-WAVE quantum computers to change your reality. You should read my previous messages.
The End of All Things Is Upon Us – An Urgent Message from Father God
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3253346/pg1
ALERT TO ALL CHRISTIANS – The great deception is now revealed.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3269299/pg1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgqmxSTmYQ
Yes, My believers, the changes to reality are the strong delusion that I warned about. These changes contribute greatly to the false reality that everyone lives under, besides the LIES and DECEPTIONS, which include falsified histories.
So, altogether, everyone has learned lies about your reality, what you have believed is being changed daily on the quantum level, and the plans to cause you to worship Satan as God are moving at breakneck speed at this time, because Satan now knows that he has a short time left.
As I explained in previous messages, you are deep into the events of the book of Revelation. Now, you should be asking, why am I allowing all this, and what do I plan to do about it all?
I am allowing all the deception and coming of the NWO and the Antichrist, to finish out the age according to My Word. And My plan is to bring you forth as My Sons and Daughters, to perform great exploits, to bring in My Harvest of souls and establish My Glorious Kingdom. You will do this by walking in Truth and obeying My Holy Spirit, as I guide you step by step, into your Transformation (Glorification).
See here two most recent Words from my servants:
Being a Vessel of Christ During the Mandela Effect. Excellent God inspired Word.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWOsbntPuU
GOD’S PEOPLE ARE ABOUT TO TRULY FLOURISH LIKE NEVER BEFORE SAITH THE LORD
https://www.facebook.com/laura.marconi.98/posts/1131105743623858
Laura Marconi
And lastly, I will not leave you without even further help, because I will send you My Two Witnesses as promised in the book of Revelation, Chapter 11. They will testify and preach the truth to the world, before the end comes.
Because there has been much speculation and confusion among believers, I will tell you now that one of the Two Witnesses is the Prophet Elijah; the man who went to Heaven in a fiery chariot, will return to Earth to restore all things, as Jesus promised. The other witness I will not reveal at this time, because my vessels are unable to draw out this truth.
Know and be assured, that you need only ask of Me, for help, and I will answer. I will and am able to keep your reality intact and protect you from unseen forces. I will give you shelter and provisions according to my Psalm 91. Please read my previous messages for more details about all the issues mentioned in this Word today.
I love you all, both saved and unsaved, so very much. I am yours, and you are mine. These judgments upon the Earth are mixed with My Great Mercy. I will help you, just ask. Ask now as you are reading this, to take care of your situation immediately. This request of Me is paramount to your physical and spiritual survival. Do not FEAR, but trust me completely. Seek out others who believe on me with a strong faith and they will support you with true words to strengthen your faith. Other believers are easily found with your social media programs such as Facebook and Twitter. The end will come quickly, as per my previous message, there is little time left. I will have you in my Arms, in a minute.
The following verse is how the book of Revelation should end:
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
God
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The devil has deceived many into thinking they are sons of God…….123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
#1 “ONE” not triune: ……PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE FOR THE ONE GOD TO TALK TO?? Who was Jesus praying to??!?…. The real question should be … How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! (The trinitarian “schizophrenic” “god-head”) The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our/ flesh) benefit not his!?!….. So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF the same “being”! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (they are text book examples of prov 26:12)
Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is….. IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON LOVE & SIN IS MOOT
PART 6: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!
“WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
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Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”
The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)
TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-2-pgs-91-101-chapter-eight-lets-talk-us-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
- Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;
- A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!
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#2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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#3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :
(1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
(2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,
(3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”
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Much of what you wrote is so spot on, but here are a couple of items I find difficult to believe when compared to the Word of God:
Your words: ‘GOD’S PEOPLE ARE ABOUT TO TRULY FLOURISH LIKE NEVER BEFORE SAITH THE LORD’
Before reading God’s Word on that subject, be comforted in the fact that the physical life and the physical death to be, whether at the hands of evil people or for other reasons, is really a huge zero compared to the beautiful, pure and loving life that the little remnant of Christ, Lord Jesus will enjoy….with true HOLY JOY! Yes, we can definitely ask for physical protection/ but never to someone else’s detriment. We will flourish only after Christ Comes Back. But Christ Will Always be HERE, NOW to Guide and Comfort unlike anything or anyone on this earth will ever do.
Mark 9:35 “And He sat down and Called the twelve. And He said to them, “If anyone would be first, he must be last of all and servant of all.”
PHILIPPIANS 2:2-3 Fulfill my joy, that each of you be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. (which of course is Lord Jesus Christ, His One Accord, His One Mind). Allow nothing to be done through selfish ambition, conceit or bigotry, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than themselves
God’s Words: Daniel 7:21-22 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, [until the Ancient of Days Came,] and a Judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the Kingdom.”
Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:24-25 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and [also] the holy people. “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt [himself] in his heart. He shall destroy many in [their] prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without [human] means.
REV 6:9-17 And when He had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the Word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, Holy and True, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were should be fulfilled. And I beheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (12-13)=THE GREAT TRIBULATION: SATAN’S WRATH (THROUGH A MAN) ON GOD’S PEOPLE AND THE WORLD-MATTHEW 24)
Revelation 9: 2-3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; (MARTYRDOM) [[[and they loved not their lives unto the death.]]]
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye Heavens, and ye that dwell in Them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time.
Rev 13:7-8 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not Written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Your words: ‘Because there has been much speculation and confusion among believers, I will tell you now that one of the Two Witnesses is the Prophet Elijah; the man who went to Heaven in a fiery chariot, will return to Earth to restore all things, as Jesus promised. The other witness I will not reveal at this time, because my vessels are unable to draw out this truth.’
As far as any dead people coming back as God’s two witnesses, i.e., Elijah, Moses or Enoch, some investigating with Christ as your Tutor will definitely give you results if you really mean business:
Rem3ember this: Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a Voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; HEAR HIM!”
In reference to Elijah:
God’s Truth: 1 Kings18:7-17 As Obadiah was walking along, he suddenly saw Elijah coming toward him. Obadiah recognized him at once and bowed low to the ground before him. “Is it really you, my lord Elijah?” he asked. During Jehoram’s reign, the Edomites revolted against Judah and crowned their own king. “Yes, it is,” Elijah replied. “Now go and tell your master, ‘Elijah is here.’” “Oh, sir,” Obadiah protested, “what harm have I done to you that you are sending me to my death at the hands of Ahab. For I swear by the LORD your God that the king has searched every nation and kingdom on earth from end to end to find you. And each time he was told, ‘Elijah isn’t here,’ King Ahab forced the king of that nation to swear to the truth of his claim.
11 And now you say, ‘Go and tell your master, “Elijah is here.”’
12 But as soon as I leave you, the Spirit of the LORD will carry you away to who knows where.
When Ahab comes and cannot find you, he will kill me. Yet I have been a true servant of the LORD all my life. But Elijah said, “I swear by the LORD Almighty, in whose presence I stand, that I will present myself to Ahab this very day.”
2Kings 2:14-18 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send. 17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not. 18 And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?
2Kings 3:1, I Kings 22:42, and 2Kings 8:16 Elijah is still on earth having written to the King of Judah, Jehoram. So, scripture shows that Elijah continued to live on earth.
After reading the following, we realize that God merely removed Elijah and placed him someplace else. HE, God, did the same for Phillip in Acts 8:26-40. Nothing more or less.
2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking, suddenly a chariot of fire ap+peared, drawn by horses of fire. It drove between the two men, separating them, and Elijah was carried by a whirlwind into heaven. (Heaven also means through the skies and not only God’s Heavenly Dwelling)
Elisha saw it and cried out, “My father! My father! I see the chariots and charioteers of Israel!” And as they disappeared from sight, Elisha tore his clothes in distress.
1Kings 18:7-17 As Obadiah was walking along, he suddenly saw Elijah coming toward him. Obadiah recognized him at once and bowed low to the ground before him. “Is it really you, my lord Elijah?” he asked. During Jehoram’s reign, the Edomites revolted against Judah and crowned their own king. “Yes, it is,” Elijah replied. “Now go and tell your master, ‘Elijah is here.’” “Oh, sir,” Obadiah protested, “what harm have I done to you that you are sending me to my death at the hands of Ahab. For I swear by the LORD your God that the king has searched every nation and kingdom on earth from end to end to find you. And each time he was told, ‘Elijah isn’t here,’ King Ahab forced the king of that nation to swear to the truth of his claim.
11 And now you say, ‘Go and tell your master, “Elijah is here.”’
12 [But as soon as I leave you, the Spirit of the LORD will carry you away to who knows where.]
When Ahab comes and cannot find you, he will kill me. Yet I have been a true servant of the LORD all my life. But Elijah said, “I swear by the LORD Almighty, in whose presence I stand, that I will present myself to Ahab this very day.”
2Kings 2:14-18 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send. 17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not. 18 And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?
The people went off looking for Elijah. Why would they go on a three day journey through the countryside to find a man who was “not even on the earth”? These people KNEW that Elijah was transported from one earthly location unto another. They were just not sure where he ended up but they knew he was returned to this earth.
7 yrs later by comparing: 2Kings 3:1, I Kings 22:42, and 2Kings 8:16) we find Elijah still on earth having written to the King of Judah, Jehoram .
2Chronicles 21:12-15 vs 12: And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, LORD God of David your father says, Because you have not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat your father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah………,- The word rendered writing is “miktab” [Strong's # 4385] meaning a letter, a thing written, a document, a writing.
Elijah continued to live on earth until he died.
Katherine, thanks for your well thought out and detailed comment. I take issue with what I would call speculation that Elijah died somewhere else on earth. It is easier to believe he was taken up to Heaven in the fiery chariot. The search proved that he could not be found.
thanks again,
heartdaughter
HDaughter and Katherine
why not read the scriptures??
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, —- but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Paul states they ALL DIED — none have received the promise of eternal live and that includes Elijah and Enoch.
and Paul further states “that they without us should not be made perfect”
there is your answer — all will be resurrected to eternal life together at the First resurrection and notice not one word of going to the 3rd heaven.
goastdale …. In your reference to, “Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip”. An additional example came to mind when I thought of how one might digest the concept of God and Jesus being one and the same.
In the movie “Meet Joe Black”, the entity Joe is asked by Bill, “how are you taking care of your business in heaven while your here on earth?”, and Joe responds, that he can be in the body of Joe, and still going about his business in the other realm of transitioning a person from this life to the next. With this in mind, God the father could still be going about his business in the heavenly realm, but likewise still be Jesus in the flesh. (After all he is God, in whom all things are possible.)
Just a thought.
The deception that over takes the world as well as duped Christians relies upon the belief that we are right in our own eyes.
Yep, we must understand that we are not our thoughts but the awareness of the thoughts.
Dear HeartDaughter,
You are so very welcome and so very kind.
As far as the discussion goes and please believe me when I state that [I am not] attempting to be sarcastic. I am completely sincere in this.
It is just as easy to believe in “pre-trib rapture”, santa claus and the easter bunny as to believe that Elijah did not die, was taken to Holy Heaven and now awaits to become one of the two. (witnesses of God) It is not speculation but biblical fact. If one studies the scripture verses (those I posted up above) they will see that Elijah was taken away…and plopped down someplace else on this earth just as Phillip was:
Acts 39-40 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him, (Phillip) any longer. But he, the eunuch, went on his way rejoicing. Philip appeared, (or found himself) in Azotus, or (Ashdod) and he (Phillip) traveled about preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
No one has ever gone to Heaven. The heaven spoken of regarding Elijah and Enoch concerns the skies; the atmosphere
John 3: 12-13 “If I have told you about things that happen on earth and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell you about things of Heaven?? No one has ascended to Heaven, but the Son of Man Who is in Heaven.”
Dear Truthseeker,
Thank you for your help as people do need to hear these things. You are so correct re: Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith without having received the promises, but they saw them from a distance, greeted them, and confessed that they were foreigners and temporary residents on the earth.
As the case with Enoch:
God Tells us that Enoch walked with God; simply means that Enoch was a man of God who lived according to God’s Ways; lived a Godly life and spoke God’s Truth well.
For God Took him….simply means that Enoch died or he was transported somewhere else for whatever reason God had. It does not mean that God put him in Heaven to come back down to earth in the future for some other reason as many so believe of Elijah. They lived, Enoch and ELijah, they died and will be in the First Resurrection to receive their inheritance. Everyone has died. We know this from Hebrews 11:13.
We’re in our New Covenant with our Creator as you know. God is the Only One Who Teaches without leading anyone astray. He and He alone Tells us what’s what.
Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a Voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; HEAR HIM!”
John 5:39-40 You search the Scriptures, for you believe they give you eternal life. And the Scriptures point to Me! Yet you won’t come to Me so that I can give you this Life Eternal.
2 Corinthians 3:5-6 Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God, Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives Life.
1John+ 2:27 But you have received the Holy Spirit, and He lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you all things, and what He teaches is true–it is not a lie. So continue in what He has taught you, and continue to live in Christ.
1John 2:19-21 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
Kathrine … Looking at your conclusion about Enoch, “For God Took him”, I am curious why you pose, the word took is synonymous, with death, or the word transported? It would be careless on my part to move in agreement on your statement until this is reconciled more adequately.
Would you agree Adam walked with God in Eden before his fall? If so … why should Enoch not be afforded the same courtesy as Adam?
It is not a leap to accept the word’s on their own merit. But you are asking I conclude something from them that takes two extra steps to get there if you understand where I am going with you here.
Interesting still the same.
Katherine
point of logic for a clearer understanding;
if either Enoch or Elijah had been changed to spirit then Jesus Christ could not be the first born, Christ would not be First in All things.
You mentioned the New Covenant, are you aware that the only change from the Old to the New is with the Promises?
Nothing else changed only the promises thus the parties in both contracts are the same and the requirements are the same i.e. the “consideration” due from the ‘grantee’. God is the Grantor and the children of Israel are the Grantees.
I never see people looking at the Covenants as contracts, a contract can be broken down to understand what is actually taking place.
The Parties are:
God is the Grantor– He has promises the Grantees want
The Children of Israel/house of Israel and house of Judah are the Grantees and they desire the promises God the Grantor has to give,
To gain the promises the Grantees must give the Grantor a “consideration”.
If this were a contract for real estate or a car the consideration is the amount due to purchase the house or car from the Grantor.
Without a “consideration” a contract is not binding.
In both the Old and the New the consideration is:
1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
Verses 1 – 3 is the consideration the Grantee owes the Grantor
And verse four begins the list of promises coming from the Grantor.
4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
In the Old the promises are all physical and in the New they are all spiritual: God’s Spirit, forgiveness and eternal life.
When our nation was founded our contract law was based upon God’s Covenant law.
Has anyone ever explained this to you?
‘Kathrine … Looking at your conclusion about Enoch, “For God Took him”, I am curious why you pose, the word took is synonymous, with death, or the word transported? It would be careless on my part to move in agreement on your statement until this is reconciled more adequately. ‘
Dear Boo: The same thing happened to Elijah and Phillip as referenced in the Scripture verses posted. I am attempting to state that entire thing, is that no human has ever been taken to God’s Heaven. Since that has never happened, according to Christ Himself (see verses posted earlier) then there is no human waiting on Heaven to come back as one of the two. (witnesses)
‘Would you agree Adam walked with God in Eden before his fall? If so … why should Enoch not be afforded the same courtesy as Adam? ‘
Yes, as I wrote: God Tells us that Enoch walked with God; simply means that Enoch was a man of God who lived according to God’s Ways; lived a Godly life and spoke God’s Truth well. Same as Adam did until Adam’s fall.
‘It is not a leap to accept the word’s on their own merit. But you are asking I conclude something from them that takes two extra steps to get there if you understand where I am going with you here. ‘`
Dear Boo, Please advise when you have a chance. I honestly am not sure where you are going.
Kathrine … I am seeing leaps in your logic where Enoch is concerned. I didn’t mention Phillip for a reason. But these two verse’s do not validate your conjecture or statement as it were, where it concerns Enoch “For god took him” and the fact that Enoch walked with God. Simply put, “For God Took Him” doesn’t necessarily mean …. we are talking about an Enoch that died, or a transported Enoch in your context. The word took means, 1. to get into one’s hold or possession by voluntary action.
As I said earlier, where your comment with regards to Enoch walked with God, and your follow up, “It just means Enoch was a man of God who lived according to God’s ways, lived a godly life and spoke God’s Truth., … I would say it is true he did all those things too, but as with Abraham he could have walked with God, meaning he met with him, he was worthy.
The courtesy of your explanation does not clarify your point to one I can come to agreement with and your approach to these concepts. This is all I am saying. And having read it over again … I’m still stumped as to how I can even now.
Thank you for your kindly reply…it would seem we have come to an impasse as I don’t know how to make my inquiry any more clear then I have and you don’t seem to grasp … as you put it …where I am going.
All of Christianity is from Rome and not the faith of Messiah and his apostles. Jesus was not his name but Hebrew YAHUWshua. The creators name was never ” lord” as a “lord” serves a King.
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I agree all of so called christianity came from Rome, Rome changed just about everything the Sabbath over to the first day of the week and the Passover to easter etc. but the WORD who became our Savior is the Maker/Creator.
The first chapter of John states all things that were made were made by the WORD.
God the Father is the architect and Jesus Christ is the builder if you will and Jesus Christ is our new MASTER as He bought, for a price, us from our old master i.e. sin and is the soon coming KING.
Thus the builder, maker, creator IS THE KING of kings and LORD of lords and I look for HIM to rule this sick earth with HIS ROD OF IRON — the sooner the better.
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