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The Vaccine Hoax is Over: Freedom of Info Act Forces Release of Secret Documents that Reveal Shocking Truth: Vaccines Do Not Work – Cover Up…

Wednesday, December 12, 2012 0:47
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Summation of Paper: “Deliberately concealing information from parents for the sole purpose of getting them to comply with an “official” vaccination schedule could be considered as a form of ethical violation or misconduct. Official documents obtained from the UK Department of Health (DH) and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) reveal that the British health authorities have been engaging in such practice for the last 30 years, apparently for the sole purpose of protecting the national vaccination program.”  The same vaccines that are MANDATED to American children.

   IS THERE REALLY

criminal activity here?

“You bet there is.  Major criminal activity.  The people involved in this denial of the effects of Thimerosal in vaccines, and the cover up of the real situation, are some of, perhaps, the worst criminals in the history of mankind.  Just look at the numbers of children damaged, and the cost to society – worldwide.  This is far worse than anything the NAZIs, or Stalin, did.  This overshadows any genocide effort in the history of mankind.”

Freedom of Information Act filed in the US with the CDC by a doctor with an autistic son, seeking information on what the CDC knows about the dangers of vaccines, had by law to be responded to in 20 days. Nearly 7 years later, the doctor went to court and the CDC argued it does not have to turn over documents. A judge ordered the CDC to turn over the documents on September 30th, 2011.

This still has not happened.

WHY?

The special Vaccine Court created by the  National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA), in 1987, had become overloaded with claims about 2007, and the Special Masters running the court simply did not want to have to trudge through the backlog of the 5,400 cases facing it over vaccine injuries. 

There in 2010,  a special Vaccine Court sub-set, called the OAP, decided six test cases – three from theMMR Vaccine causes Autism argument, and three from the Thimerosal (mercury) in vaccines causes Autism argument.  Those cases were themselves, representing a backlog of the 5,400 cases, which, in turn, represented the interests of over 2,000,000 vaccine damaged children in the US.  More, those cases, if won by the Plaintiffs, would have set the stage for relief for the families of the one in six children vaccine damaged showing neurological damage.

The OAP judges relied COMPLETELY, for all six cases, on the truth and validity of the five so-called studies ordered and run by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Now you see the importance…

After reviewing Hooker’s research it is easy to come to a conclusion  - EVERY one of the CDC studies showing the so-called safety of mercury in vaccines has been intentionally faked, so as to lead the American Public, and every entity worldwide that relies on the CDC for information, to believe that mercury in vaccines is safe - it is not.

The greatest lie ever told is tht vaccines are safe and effective”
-Dr. Len Horowitz

Freedom of Information Act in the UK filed by a doctor there has revealed 30 years of secret official documents showing that government experts have:

1. Known the vaccines don’t work
2. Known they cause the diseases they are supposed to prevent
3. Known they are a hazard to children
4. Colluded to lie to the public
5. Worked to prevent safety studies

Educated parents can either get their children out of harm’s way or continue living inside one of the largest most evil lies in history, that vaccines – full of heavy metals, viral diseases, mycoplasma, faecal material, DNA fragments from other species, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80 (a sterilizing agent) – are a miracle of modern medicine.

On October 26, 2011, a Denver Post editorial expressed shock that the Obama administration, after promising to be especially transparent, was proposing changes to the Freedom of Information Act that would allow it to go beyond declaring some documents secret and to actually allow government agencies (such as the CDC) to declare some document “non-existent.”

Simultaneous to this on-going massive CDC cover up involving its primary “health” not recommendation but MANDATE for American children, the CDC is in deep trouble over its decades of covering up the damaging effects of fluoride and affecting the lives of all Americans, especially children and the immune compromised. Lawsuits are being prepared.  Children are ingesting 3-4 times more fluoride by body weight as adults and “[t]he sheer number of potentially harmed citizens — persons with dental fluorosis, kidney patients tipped into needing dialysis, diabetics, thyroid patients, etc. — numbers in the millions.”

The CDC is obviously acting against the health of the American people. But the threat to the lives of the American people posed by the CDC’s behavior does not stop there. It participated in designed pandemic laws that are on the books in every state in the US, which arrange for the government to use military to force unknown, untested vaccines, drugs, chemicals, and “medical” treatments on the entire country if it declares a pandemic emergency.

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  • Mayhem

    The entire vaccination theory and all of it’s practices, exist purely to give mad science an earn.

    It is evil incarnate perpetuated on an easily frightened populace by mad scientists paid for by those entrusted with our well being.

    Any questions?

    • Mayhem

      I presented this graph.

      http://tinyurl.com/b3ofm3f

      It is a tactic and includes an obvious baited trap but does clearly show that the incidence for Polio had nearly doubled since the introduction of Salks evil concoction.

      ps There are 2 other little traps but they could well go un-noticed as they are camouflaged by one who is very practiced in the arts of deception. I’ll try to hide my disappointment as really look what we are up against here. 1st to spot either gets a virtual lollipop.

      Hey, Medical Student! Brain hurting yet?

    • Mayhem

      Middle-aged-Mayhem taps his fingers on his chin whiling away the minutes. He practices handing the microphone to Mr Student and waits.

      A little boy waits.

      • Mayhem

        … and while he waits he looks at the girl child in the authors story, does she not look truly heart broken?, and the little boy weeps quietly.

        He asks Yeshua the Annointed. Please Lord tell our Father for me “I am sorry. Forgive me for what we do unto the least of His”.

      • Mayhem

        … and by His Lords Comfort and Grace the little boy is lifted up.

        Ready to face the world again with his big boy pants on. (thanks Beef)

        ps I know you lot can’t see me but whenever I mention a tear in my eye I really mean one hanky soaked in tears and another with snot. I get past it quickly enough and it does not deter me from sharing with you. My stories are true but old history.

        I could not tell that mother what ailment had inflicted itself upon her son although I knew. All I could do was offer a shoulder and an occasional distraction. All I could give her broken son was fellowship and understanding without judgement.

        You see? I had not yet given up all control of my life by this time. I had not surrendered as it were I still thought I was boss. Religion had convinced me that I was as mad as a hatter (but high functioning for a nutjob eh?) because I refused to see the Bible their way.

        I have learned to trust my conscience and my God given ability to read. He warns that all of His words mean what they say and He defies any man to mess with them. Trust yourselves folks the Truth is in the Bible. Good will always trump evil in the long term. Patience.

      • Mayhem

        Now that He has filled my spirit I would tell my friend it wasn’t me your son was smiling at. It was puzzling at the time but I always thought he looked just over and passed my right shoulder. I knew only that he looked my way. I tried explaining this and couldn’t. Hmmmm?

        Now I think I know what he sought and it was Good.

        .

      • Medical Student

        Just finished an exam, taking a short break before studying for another tomorrow.

        But after reading your last response in the Military planes post “but when I uphold the premise of the thread topic…” I’m tempted to just repeat what I said before: It’s very hard to change the mind of someone with deeply ingrained views on any particular topic.

        A few things:

        1. The premise of the vaccination thread is against current world view – so yes, it is your job to show facts if you decide to support that premise. It is not my job – because if it was – I’d be charged with teaching a science class – that is the level of detail required to understand why the vaccine article is BS.

        2. What I meant by ‘continue on the way you have’ – is not providing adequate sources to back your arguments. Annecdotes – especially those that restore your faith in a higher power – ARE NOT adequate. Neither is that article you boast about DDT/polio. Peer-reviewed article please. Otherwise it’s just all unverified opinions by other people.

        3. The points you assigned to yourself in this debate are also BS – explain those please (further down thread).

      • Mayhem

        To answer your last question first as I am want to do the points system is just for pushing your little buttons silly they were to bait you into revealing your nature. In this way I could ensure that nearly everything you had to say would be of dubious credibility. The points are about as significant as I am to this debate. Does that explain them well enough for you? Do try to catch up soon enough you’ll only be two steps behind.

        You do not understand the rules of debate, Mr Student. May I suggest that there is a swathe of free online information pertaining to this art. You misunderstand me and think that I need to win this battle of wits. This is not so. I have no victory condition. My preference is an agreed draw, brother, but I will not accept a loss. I evidence your use of the term boy about the young man in my story when I have only ever used that term to describe myself. Now now Mr Student there are no mistakes only retractions.

        You got hung up on the definition of correlation when I had obviously applied it correctly. Of course I did a Wiki job on the word correlate before I chose to use it. What are you doing? Is it just stream of consciousness or what? I respect everyone enough to try to speak very accurately. Keep in mind that many people are reading this and I will be taken to task if I step off the straight and narrow. Some people are feverishly thrashing their favourite search engine checking up on both you and I, Sir.

        That graph I provided withstands scrutiny and I know that you now see the very obvious correlation with DDT. I strongly suggest that this correlation proves a connection but I do not know this to be true. I only believe that it is. I know you have never been shown this graph before. In fact I would surprised if your handlers (teachers) even bothered to mention that Polio cases continued to rise unabated to nearly double 1950 levels. 1950 being the year of Salks Polio vaccine’s introduction.

        The internet is a wonderful tool eh? You ask for peer review this and that, when this term is not nearly as respectable as you imply, and denigrate my knowledge as insufficient to understand all the medical jargon but in ten minutes I can find thousands of reputable people who agree with my point of view eg,

        Who is Suzanne Humphries, MD?
        Who is Kenneth Stoller, MD?
        Who is Dr. Gerhard Buchwald?

        Mr Student I just want you to have your eye’s wide open because it will help make you the Physician that I feel you want to be. This is nothing personal get over yourself and let it go. You are allowed to go down screaming and clinging to the last syringe on earth if you want but don’t try to sell that donkey here. It only has three legs and won’t run. You were only duped by Big Pharma that is all and you are not alone sadly.

        By now you will have seen the seven word definition of Science. People who can’t think this deeply can be baffled and bamboozled you see and not worth my time as I know I could make them think up was down if I tried hard enough. You are my target, Mr Student, because you have been trained and you should know better. I have attacked your speciality on purpose. I am not saying we all have to know everything to have our place. We are allowed to accept obvious and sound consensus, if we wish, so long as it is Truth. Seen the news lately? This Truth is starting to pile up, Bro, there is a groundswell going on and I want everybody to be a part of it.

        THE VACCINATION HOAX IS OVER!
        YOUR INTERPRETATION OF CURRENT WORLD VIEW CANNOT BE SUBSTANTIATED OR SUSTAINED!

        ps You never did answer Mr Beef Supreme’s question about the hippocratic oath. I put this to you again?

      • Medical Student

        I need to keep this short, but to summarize:

        You agree you were only trying to ‘push my buttons’ with those points – because you know you didn’t earn them. You understand that correlation does not imply causation, so there is no credibility to your claim that all vaccines are useless – that there is a mass delusion in the entire medical society because it thinks vaccines work.

        (It’s funny how you have admitted many, many times that polio is your area of ‘expertise’ and yet you have no problem extrapolating your ‘findings’ on the polio vaccine to ALL vaccines.)

        There is no longer an argument – and to be clear, that doesn’t mean I’m calling it a draw; it means that you have lost good sir.

        Have a good evening.

      • Medical Student

        P.s. I didn’t answer BEEF’s question because I did not want to involve religion in a medical argument.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        How about a new thread?

        How about a different part of the thread?

        How about new conversation?

        How about an answer?

      • Mayhem

        Is that your one shred of evidence, Mr Student, an angry tirade? I tire of your puny skill and accept that you choose willful ignorance. Thank you for providing me with a vehicle to get this Truth out to others. I rode you, bi-atch, into the ground.

        I only hope that our debate gives courage to others to shout out.

        THE VACCINATION HOAX IS OVER!

        Bleat away little sheep or as I otherwise say. Dance puppet!

        Dance for me, now, while I pull your strings. Your mind is puny your arrogance is your downfall. You fall to me a simply educated man and I sneer at you. I am nothing but you seem to be less than even that. Rise up and be one with Truth that you may redeem yourself.

        Go swear your hippocratic oath to the son of Satan, as is your privilege, you might convince him you believe it but you will never convince me. I am tired of having to over explain myself to you knowing that you were struggling to keep up. I apologies to our readers for this excruciatingly long winded, spieling, conversation.

        You lose Medical Student.

      • Mayhem

        Oops, Hello Beef. I didn’t see you there while I was guiltily enjoying a nasty little gloat.

        Good evening Sir.

      • Hannibal Lecter, M.D.

        Student has not as yet sworn the Hippocratic Oath, thus he is not the best choice of subject for Mr. Supreme’s query. However, Mr. Supreme has asked Student and I’m at least as interested in hearing Student’s reply as Mr. Supreme and Mr. Mayhem are.

        Student? Now there are three of us waiting for an answer to the question put to you by Mr. Supreme.

        What say you?

      • BEEF SUPREME

        Evening Mayhem.

        I’m still not expecting an answer to this one any time soon. The only way around this question for the medical profession is not to answer it — or to lie.

        There’s always the truth of course, but the truth about this topic will just cause WAY too much trouble.

        I think it’s time to nail a few of these hoopleheads to the wall and FORCE an answer to this very simple question. If the Student ducks the question, I think I just might take this ball and run with it someplace else. Someplace very public.

      • Mayhem

        I will try to stay apace as best I can, Beef.

        That is three, Mr Student, and that is the score card that matters.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        While we are waiting (without holding our breath) for the Student to answer this question, here is one version of the oath. There are other similar versions. This version seems to me to be the most prevalent. And remember, Apollo is the son of Jupiter/Zeus which means Apollo is the son of Satan.

        IF, as these folks are fond of claiming, religion has no meaning to them or to their practices or principles — then what is the explanation for this?

        THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH:

        I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:

        To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art; and that by my teaching, I will impart a knowledge of this art to my own sons, and to my teacher’s sons, and to disciples bound by an indenture and oath according to the medical laws, and no others.

        I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

        I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

        But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

        I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

        In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or men, be they free or slaves.

        All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

        If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all humanity and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my life.

      • Idiot Proof

        Medical Student seems to be very stubborn, ego driven, and unwilling to acknowledge that the AMA and related community has long since sold out to the corporo-fascist interests.

        Mr. Student, please take the time to watch a documentary titled, “Lethal Injection- The Story of Vaccination”, it thoroughly explains the truth behind vaccines as opposed to the official version maintained by the pharmacorps, the FDA, and their lackeys in DC.

        “World view” does not decide nor have any discernable effect on veracity. Something is either true, or false. If today’s “world view” was “Flat Earth”, would that change the shape of this planet? When you cite “world view” it infers that you don’t exercise independent critical thinking, but rather go with the flow of “concensus”, or herd mentality.

        The MSM is just a great big propaganda machine. “World view” is mainly the end result of systematic propaganda, or mass mind control, or perception management. If one is plugged into the MSM and accepts the programming, they will most likely avoid sources of alternative information, and will rarely be exposed to any other or opposing views. This fosters closed and made up minds. Look how ass-clowns like Bill O’Reilly Geraldo Rivera, Bill Maher, and other idiots ridicule belittle and humiliate those who dare think for themselves and try to share views outside of the mainstream.

      • Mayhem

        Mr Student I truly only desire for you to see. I mean you no harm.

        The very first thing I did was compare Beef’s testimony with Wiki then followed up by checking this oath against the one we use in New Zealand and it would seem to be accurate.

        Now crikey and blimey that oath, in the second paragraph, starts out with an exhaustive list of exactly who to thank and, obviously, great pains have been taken to exclude God (if I may use your term). Can you see this?

        I know you have the discernment to see what I’m getting at.

        All through that oath the medical profession is knowingly attempting to place themselves above Him YHWH Elohim the Most High. I suggest nobody try such folly.

        ps note the use of capitals I do this with great care.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        “World view” does not decide nor have any discernable effect on veracity.

        ——————————————————————-

        I thought that excellent line from the above post was worth repeating.

      • Mayhem

        Now you tell me!

        “Lethal Injection- The Story of Vaccination”

        I could have saved myself days of effort.

        @Beef Supreme. So many words and phrases are being completely misunderstood by so many that I often wonder how man convey’s even simple concepts and meaning. I find myself explaining to Lawyers that the name for their profession actually means to lie for money in the very language they use to study law no less.

        AND I’M THOUGHT MAD???

  • Mayhem

    Currently the debate centers around Polio and it’s supposed vaccine. I lead 6-0 but will accept criticism. My score card suggests…

    Baby killer = 1 pt
    Dr’s are scum = 1 pt
    Wakefield = 1 pt
    Flat earther = 1 pt
    Hater rants = 1 pt
    Polio graph = 1 pt

    …anyone care to disagree?

    • Mayhem

      @Medical Student who said…

      “and if someone actually contradicts something I’ve said with a proven resource” (sic)

      …I said http://tinyurl.com/b3ofm3f

      Does this Qualify?

      I don’t get you are you lying to us again? Please say it isn’t so and that you are jus busy wif yor widdle xams but seriously good luck and happy holidays.

      • Mayhem

        Science is what we can prove repeatedly. :wink:

      • Mayhem

        Don’t get hung up on the points. You are the only one who cares about them. You are wrong though as I trust that many might have a similar score card. They are welcome to let us know if it matters to them.

        Remember Mr Student this is about wit. Yours against mine you accepted my challenge. I told you to expect to be forced to stay on topic. I told you that you would need your very best skill. You were warned that many people were watching us debate. Your tone change noticeably when you realised that we all saw you.

        Now back to Polio. I have supplied my evidence, a graph. Please show me any shred of verifiable, peer reviewed, generally accepted proof that any vaccination has done anything to improve our live’s. One shred will be a great start. Here’s an idea of what I’m asking you for. Please just one data set that shows a reduction in Polio incidence since the introduction of Salk’s evil concoction.

        To take the load of your small brain I will allow such evidence to cover any of the known diseases that we currently vaccinate against. One more thing, I’m guessing that the dictionary and you have different understandings of the word ‘Disease”.

      • Mayhem

        Oops. I twied weal heard 2 put dis in da wite playc. :mad: :lol:

    • Medical Student

      The baby killer was a point in my favor – because that is what would happen if infants across the world were no longer vaccinated starting from birth.

      Dr’s are scum? I don’t know what you’re getting at there. Because you said you wouldn’t be caught saying that. Also, this is opinion, not fact. Just like this is opinion – I think welder’s should stick to what they are best at, because they will fail everywhere else (I don’t mean that ofcourse – but as an ex. – that would be an opinion and not fact)

      Wakefield? That’s a point in my favor.

      This is all the time i have now, i’ll check threads later today.

      • Medical Student

        If you think i’m wrong in my comment above – feel free to prove your points.

      • Mayhem

        Hmm? This would have been the better spot for my latest soliloquy.

        Hello anybody out there? :grin:

      • Mayhem

        Did you pop a blood vessel when I so craftily held on to all six points? I bet you nearly had a fit and I also contend that the odd computer screen needed a bit of a wipe off here and there.

        You’ll never get it so I will explain for you. Sigh….. As soon as I admitted the points meant nothing, to anyone but you, I took them all and gave them to my Editor in Chief. Those points are now His to keep Forever.

        You Sir are just too easy and I dislike that I gloat over you. Are you done? Be off or address Mr Beef Supreme who’s knowledge, of The Word, I cede to.

      • Mayhem

        Do you remember your first post to me?…….. You sighed like you had to help the pitiful, ignorant, idiot out of his delusion and you were vein to condescend to teach the simpleton.

        There’s my first sigh ever on this blog site. How’s my timing?

        By your own words Mr Student.

        ps How’s my manners?

  • Mayhem

    The first rant I get when I use this graph, the obvious trap so to speak. is…”That’s about weed spray or DDT”!

    http://tinyurl.com/b3ofm3f

    Well yes Sir what do you think caused Polio? By the way Sir did you notice how Salks vaccine had no effect on the positive trend as is clearly shown in the data. In fact Sir the decline came about, coincidentally, with a major truth outing event, a global awareness if you would allow, and ‘opt-outs’ became the norm.

    I can make no apology for the number of words I’m given each day and I trust it is clear that I see you all, I hear you all, I respect you all but most importantly I honour His will.

    • Mayhem

      That’s not permitted Mr Student.

      You do not have the privilege of swearing your final ceremonial in-doctrinal allegiance to the son of satan and try to squeal that you want to keep religion out of the debate.

      …………….{note the use of capitals}………………..

      The Truth the Way and the Life is simply where I am commanded to take this conversation next, nothing to do with you and me, nothing personal.

      I, like you, try to debate without heaving the Bible about. I don’t know enough about the Bible to start quoting chapter and verse and I won’t. Well not too much anyway? Sanctimony is a trait I would not like to be accused of. You could get away with throwing that word at me it will be easy to deflect as I have little enough respect for you.

      I no longer debate medical things, with you, until you start to produce these shreds of evidence you speak of. Your words, Sir, coming back to bite you upon your bottom region. Now I task you to explain the difference between ‘proof’ and ‘evidence’ to me then we might well do ‘peer review’. Dance puppet.

      As a distraction. Try to find where I just announced one of my tactics. It’s all freudian and stuff and as subtle as only an ex master liar can invent.

      1st to spot it gets a virtual lollipop. (he trills)

      • Mayhem

        Who am I kidding Mr Student.

        You’ll never find it so here’s a clue.

        It’s near the middle. :razz:

        ps Is your head hurting yet? Have you any wit? Not even one shred?

  • Anonymous

    is it too hard for people to do a simple search before reposting stories?

    ****http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/12/the-vaccine-hoax-is-over-secret-documents-reveal-shocking-truth-2461354.html

    duh!

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  • Anonymous

    Big Pharma loves the profits they make from killing you, to the tune of 100,000 deaths a year from toxic pharmaceutical drug pushers products side effects.
    That’s a fact jack.

    Take your drug pushing doctor and give it a swift kick in the ass. Fire your doctor, the quack.

  • Moses

    All anyone needs to know on the whole subject in one short little video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzMLDw_ecqo

  • Moses

    “Medical Student” religion has no place in any rational , sane and lucid debate. We should ask BS to produce proof he ever bought a car on faith, or a house on faith, or bought anything on Ebay on faith. He is willing to stick up for a book that promotes vast carnage and killing and murder and thereby explain away vast amounts of raping and pillaging by Jesuits and Christians in South America and he will stick up and quote the bible with all it’s carnage and murder for faith yet did did he ever buy a car online on faith …he’s toast and he doesn’t have the gray matter left to realize it.

    • BEEF SUPREME

      That’s why I call you a liar Moses.

      You lie.

      I have never done anything but renounce Catholicism and Christianity.

      You are a liar.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        [Woops. I better do a better job at censoring than THAT. Here's my entire last post again.]

        Moses (henceforth ‘Liar’) wrote:

        “You just proved my point to the Tee the scumbag you really are. You get a lawyer (a——) I am coming after you. I was not addressing “Beef Supeme: you you paranoid freak mental case.. I said “We should ask BS” . We should ask “Bull(s—)” and “GREED” and “LUST (A——). You have a screw lose dingbat.”

        Let’s make sure all of these comments by our dear friend Liar don’t get deleted by BIN because of all of the profanity he can’t resist using.

        I already gave you my email address once, Liar. Would you like it again?

        Pleasure takling to you again Liar. Have a nice day.

      • Mayhem

        You have been coming after more than just one of us for weeks now, moses the liar.

        I’m still waiting for you to get B4IN shut down as you threatened.

        Then I might fear your might but probably won’t all the same. :razz:

    • Mayhem

      This one does not like it when I address the voices in his head. Mock him and watch him dance on queue.

      @Moses you lie Sir and you know it just as I know it. Beef has said none of the things you suggest and I have followed almost every word of this man for a month now.

      Mr Supreme would be doing mighty well to be still covering a dark side by now. You see me, moses, I’d tear Mr Supreme to shreds if he back tracked even one millimeter. As I would expect he would do to me if the roles were reversed. We are un-afraid to be tested by men. Respect. I cannot imagine that I am alone in this opinion. I’m not talking about spelling and grammar here. Don’t get all lawerly on me moses. Be well.

      • Mayhem

        See what I mean. He shuts right up so the mature and reasonable folk can chat. Just let him think you are mocking his demons and he wanders off fitting I guess.

  • Tom Dennen, the paranoid historian

    I refer you to the fact that the subject “Conspiracy Theory” is now taught in many US colleges for the simple reason that the abuse of trust is part of the human condition. From the use of Fractional Reserve lending, Usury, Snake Oil Remedies and highway robbery to insider trading, human beings tend to cheat for the love of money, which we all know is a precondition to venality from simple chicanery to war as the most profitable business on the planet.
    We lie, cheat, steal and screw each other’s wives on the one hand; on the other, we take an oath to ‘do no harm’:
    I spent some time at the Catholic university Notre Dame where, out of 175 pre-professional students the only student who had ever heard of Dr Albert Schweitzer.
    I switched to business admin, made a few bucks, gave it all away and now question the love of money wherever it kills or harms people, like here: http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/12/a-chemical-fire-retardant-banned-in-100-countries-is-found-in-the-mothers-milk-of-american-women-because-in-the-us-its-legal-why-2462388.html
    And here:http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/12/if-drug-test-volunteers-test-positive-for-either-of-the-two-genetic-cytochrome-p450-detox-pathways-that-exist-in-half-the-population-which-keep-them-from-processing-the-drug-and-be-2462340.html

    • BEEF SUPREME

      It’s nothing more complicated than two worlds existing within each other at the same time. We all examine the evidence of these crimes, and we become reasonably versed in the facts and the specifics of the various cases – statins and sodium fluoride, to name two. Then we try to carry out a conversation with a medical professional; by all accounts sane, reasonable and intelligent men and women, and we run headlong into cognitive dissonance personified in a display of the most vulgar kind.

      Is it just about the money? Is it about the prestige? Because there’s no way in hell one of these M.D.’s will keep his ‘reputable’ standing in the medical community if he balks openly at any of the pillars of the global hoax known as Western Medicine.

      As long as they all agree and none of them break ranks, then misbegotten peacocks like Medical Student will continue to be enticed into the Church of the Diseased Mind with promises of elevated status and filthy lucre.

      Say Medical Student…

      …get your flu shot yet this season?

    • Mayhem

      @Tom Dennen,

      I remember well the day that fractional reserve banking was accepted as the norm once again. All those within ear shot thought me mad when I leapt to my feet and shouted out that this marked the moment that signaled the death of money. Was it during the 70′s or was it the late 40′s?

      Do we all know what the word economy really means? I won’t task this I’ll tell you all. Economy means family unit. No more no less. I agree our economy is screwed but our monetary system sounded it’s death knell in antiquity so I’m not at all surprised the financial trouble that so many are facing today. You all may think I joke about the half a wet bus ticket analogy but I kid you not I really do have almost nothing to lose.

      I know, Sir, that you generalise about the human condition but I wish to say not me Sir I try very hard to behave modestly. I am weak and I can well lose my way from time to time. Blogs like yours, Mr Dennen, help keep me grounded. For now I have time and I’ve been given many words again today.

      Thank you, Tom, for your tolerance.

  • Mayhem

    Join with us Mr Student as this exciting groundswell of Truth takes a hold. This debate has been viewed, over three threads, nearly 50,000 times. Celebrate that quite a few people were challenged to examine what they knew and in some cases what they held dear. Don’t worry about whether you won them all over or even any of them.

    It’s all good and I wish you well and I hope you end up just gritting your teeth through the Hippocratic Oath and try to be the best healer that you can. I trust that in the fullness of time you will come to understand that your skills were nothing more than a gift and fleeting at that. Ask Phill Collins what I mean.

    • RAINSCRYPT

      hehe.. anybody up for some chianti?

      • BEEF SUPREME

        Hold the brains.

        And the liver.

      • RAINSCRYPT

        Beef.. yes and perhaps a student should actually understand the significance of misinterpretation as “a prime example”. sorry med stu.. sometimes my writing can be very confusing, open to interpretation, right or wrong..

      • Mayhem

        I see you Raininmind and your quest for understanding.

        You take great pains to be non confrontational and you have good manners and discernment. You reason well and you often give me much to ponder.

        I humbly request that you might take a position at times. You are loathe to be vulnerable yet I think you have something valuable to contribute. You could use the anonymity of the interweb to initially give you the courage to speak with belief and passion just stay true to yourself and what you know and it will be all good. Respect.

        You see me make error’s and I hope you can see that I remain unfazed by them. People can only make you feel like how you allow, am I right? Join the party, brother, and help the ill-informed and the fearful. It is all going to be Good in the long run and this I know to be the Way the Truth and the Life.

        Peace.

      • RAINSCRYPT

        mayhem.. heh, i have spoken out on occasion when i feel the need to express my own thoughts. lately, i have preferred not to. a couple reasons for that. one, i took a real thrashing for being brutally honest. and for another, i am experiencing some rather unusual problems in regards to writing comments on BIN.. again. might sound like BS but someone or something, is trying to shut me down. don’t know why. weird eh?

      • RAINSCRYPT

        i wish i knew more about computers. it’s gotta be some kind of glitsch.

      • Mayhem

        I hear you, friend, but did not witness this thrashing you speak of. I offer this for your contemplation. There is an off button on your computer. Give your foe a damn good ignoring if you are being overwhelmed it does not mean that you are wrong just that you are unable to continue. Chip away at your own pace and be your own man. No-one can ask for more. I know that you also find comfort and humour and interest else you would not be here.

        I can not understand your concerns regarding difficulties with posting on B4IN. Did you hear me say the other day about how little protection I use while online? Not even a condom let alone a firewall, I have no anti-virus running, no spyware, no adware, nothing. Yet I use my credit card regularly, do all my banking online and all my government compliance stuff not to mention being a brutal terrier for truth.

        Plenty of time to worry about that after I hear the knock at my door. What say you?

      • RAINSCRYPT

        no, you wouldn’t have witnessed it.. was through personal email not this forum.

  • Tom Dennen, the paranoid historian

    Well, well Ma’m! (Middle-Aged etc., what gender through yon BIN doth cry?)
    Your stand is one of strength and clarity: cognitive dissonance does drive rationalization for all crimes.
    So I yield here, but to an equally lucid source: okay, vanities perhaps do partially lend to the love of lucre for in sooth “ALL is Vanity”!

    • Mayhem

      You’ll have to work that out for yourself and thank you for correcting my spelling. :lol:

      • Tom Dennen, the paranoid historian

        :cool:

  • Moses

    ROTFLMAO… Beef Supreme: the-paranoid-bible-thumping-bible-quoting-paranoid-mental-case-non-Christian…rotflmao. All you have to do is only write “BS” in any of your posts and he comes calling like a fly to shit, and says you are talking about him…LOL and it will trigger a whole schizoid back-peddling rant from him where he denies being a Christian, denies supporting the bible chapter and verse. To me it’s such a dramatic turnaround it appears to me his I.D. was hacked. No one makes such a complete and utter fool of themselves. I have downloaded and saved his comments in whole threads where he rants and rants about the Bible supports his stand backed by bible quotes and now suddenly out of the blue he isn’t a “Christian”…that is just too strange for everyone reading the thread He accuses a complete strangers he doesn’t even know of being on illegal drugs, Moses is a liar…blah, blah blah. Enough of the drama BIN. BS, Lust, GREED and can andl f ..right off…LOL

    • BEEF SUPREME

      Moses the LIAR wrote (in yet another comment which I will be forced to censor):

      “ROTFLMAO… Beef Supreme: the-paranoid-bible-thumping-bible-quoting-paranoid-mental-case-non-Christian…rotflmao. All you have to do is only write “BS” in any of your posts and he comes calling like a fly to (s—), and says you are talking about him…LOL and it will trigger a whole schizoid back-peddling rant from him where he denies being a Christian, denies supporting the bible chapter and verse. To me it’s such a dramatic turnaround it appears to me his I.D. was hacked. No one makes such a complete and utter fool of themselves. I have downloaded and saved his comments in whole threads where he rants and rants about the Bible supports his stand backed by bible quotes and now suddenly out of the blue he isn’t a “Christian”…that is just too strange for everyone reading the thread He accuses a complete strangers he doesn’t even know of being on illegal drugs, Moses is a liar…blah, blah blah. Enough of the drama BIN. BS, Lust, GREED and can andl f ..right off…LOL”

      Good luck with those remedial reading lessons, little boy. I understand how tricky this whole reading thing can be for the ‘intellectually challenged’, but I wish you the best of luck with your special classes, Liar.

      At least now I can understand why it is you have such a hard time understanding the Bible, Liar. It’s not because you didn’t read it – it’s because you have no ability to comprehend ANYTHING you read (whether the Bible, or my posts – it’s all Greek to you).

      If you don’t understand how a man can be against Christianity and for the Bible, that’s probably because you haven’t finished growing up yet, little boy. Maybe one day, when you grow up big and strong, you’ll be able to understand a few of the mildly complicated aspects of life. But don’t be too hard on yourself right now, Liar. Your brain is too small and your mind is too weak. But that’s okay. At least you can pretend to read like a big boy. Make sure that you have a Bible with pictures in it, so that you can at least hold the Book right side-up, rather than upside-down, and make yourself look even sillier than you do already.

      Good luck Liar. I wish you nothing but the best with your reading lessons.

    • Mayhem

      @Moses the liar.

      Perhaps you could try calling Beef by some other name? Just a thought. It might clear things up no end.

      You were so referring to Mr Supreme as “BS”. Bear with me, “We should ask BS….”, it was something to do with religion not being relevant to a medical debate.

      Then you go off beating all sorts of crap out of your self made straw man like you might really be getting somewhere. I’m starting to be of the opinion that you, moses you liar, are so transparent that you hardly warrant fending off. I think most folk wouldn’t give a wooden nickle for your thoughts.

      You, moses you liar, have me over explaining myself again and you know how that upsets me. Don’t you?

  • Moses

    Enter “BS” in Google, RESULT: “About 678,000,000 results (0.29 seconds) Search Results
    BS – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSJump to: navigation, search. On Wikipedia, BS may refer to Wikipedia:Barnstars. Look up bs, BS, or .bs in Wiktionary, the free dictionary. BS, B.S., Bs or bs may …

    But when you mention anything to do with any of those “678,000,000″ references to BS on the Internet on BeforeItsNews with a one “Beef Supreme” on the thread, Beef Supreme thinks you are talking about him. He will then try to libel and defame you if you do not agree with his bible quotes or him. He has gone as far as accusing innocent people of criminal activity and being on illicit drugs when you do not agree with his Christian quotes and bible thumping I would strongly STRONGLY advise the federales find out if a nut case has guns.

    • BEEF SUPREME

      That was a VERY good job, little boy!

      You just put up an entire post without using any of your favorite swear words! I really am proud of you , little boy. You really deserve a special cookie for a job well done.

      Now go see your Mommy, little Liar. And tell her Daddy Beef said that it’s okay for little Liar to have a cookie.

      I really am proud of you Liar.

      • Mayhem

        Daddy Beef. :lol:

        Can I have a cookie too? I’ll be good.

        Doh! I meant ‘May I have a cookie’.

      • Mayhem

        Come on back, Moses, the liar. You so crazy… You the only fun today to poke stick at.

        I feel bad to chase you away so fast. Others want to have fun too.

    • RAINSCRYPT

      Moses.. not to be confrontational.. but in a post of yours past, where you used BS, it did look to me also as though it was a Beef reference. maybe i’m wrong, but i assumed that was what you meant when i read it. also, i just used “BS” shortly after Beef had also made a comment here, but i’m positive he doesn’t think it refers to him, (hope not anyway, because i did mean it as in “normal” usage).
      one more thing. i am very much into the interpretation of scripture, and the Word, and the messages attributed to Jesus are especially worthy as following, to me.. but i am not a Christian.
      perhaps there is an entanglement of misunderstanding that is fueling this argument you have.. just a thought.

      • Mayhem

        Be confrontational, Rain’s, openly and not covertly like you are doing here. Didn’t you hear me yesterday? If you have right on your side then you never have to pussy foot around. Power up brother.

        What? They might call you names. Big boy pants, Rain’s, and look em straight in the eye.

        Of course always have a humble apology at the ready if you make an error and everything should go sweetly. Otherwise there’s the off button.

        Practise on Moses the liar he’s a soft target as the administrators kick most of his nonsense to the gutter saving all of us from having to see it.

      • RAINSCRYPT

        ah, hehe.. yes i hear you however.. i am currently going through an “off forum attack” that is more than enough to deal with at the moment.. has nothing to do with name calling, a little more serious than that. but doing ok, nevertheless.

      • Mayhem

        ps apologies work best when they are heartfelt but you probably already knew that.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        Mayhem,

        There’s a reason rainingmind has his back to us in his avatar photo.

        It’s so we can’t see that he’s got a .44 Magnum with a nine and a half inch barrel in his hand.

        As soon as he’s finished being nice, he’ll spin around and level off at some hooplehead or other.

        Just you wait and see.

      • BEEF SUPREME

        click click

        POW!!!!!

        hehe

      • Mayhem

        I shall say no more.

        The little boy waits.

        Afraid.

      • RAINSCRYPT

        heh… Beef seems to be recalling a scene from taxi driver when the tv is being tipped.. little by little.. then crashes to the floor… from there on out it’s a whole different movie..

      • Mayhem

        I had not thought of it in those terms, Rains, yet I have seen this movie that you speak of and no it did not star Danny Devito.

        I was just worried Beef was warning me not to tip you over.

        Either way I checked myself. :smile:

      • BEEF SUPREME

        I didn’t mean to insinuate that rainingmind would draw a sight picture on YOU Mayhem.

        Not that he couldn’t, of course.

        Whenever dealing with the .44 Magnum, though — don’t forget to ask yourself “the question”…

        Are you feeling lucky?

      • Mayhem

        I feel very lucky, Beef.

        At all times that a gun of this nature points nowhere near me I feel lucky.

        It’d make a hole in the front you could nearly plug with a finger and a hole out the back that you couldn’t block with your whole head and it doubles as a small sledge hammer if you turn it round backwards.

        I vewy fwaid.

      • Mayhem

        I’m loving that “Big boy pants” line as you can tell, Beef. I’m even happy for the folk to think I invented it when I use it now. It’s a Pearl and I thank you.

      • RAINSCRYPT

        just don’t go tossing pearls to swine.., of course, this site could be the one exception.. heh..

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