Yesterday we had an esteemed guest. MOISAS stopped by to call us morally preening, heretical, ignorant cowards (and more – but, you get the gist). Many of his words are below. I would like to address what “set him off” since I strongly object to Donald J. Trump on the grounds that he lacks character. Take a moment and read MOISAS’ words and I’ll meet you toward the bottom:
The voting argument is somewhat moot: I don’t see voting or democracy in the Bible (excepting lots, which were divinely-controlled).
America is not a Christian country (that is, most of the people do not follow Scripture or attempt to follow Scripture, nor are the laws based on Scripture or attempt to follow Scripture). Democracy and the Constitution are products of the Enlightenment (which was a secular movement designed to get rid of God), so it boggles my mind that the idiots (not limited to ‘Christian’ conservatives) yammer about ‘God’s candidate’ (especially ironic considering most Christian conservatives said nothing about Glenn Beck’s messianic comments about Ted Cruz).
As much as I personally loathe Trump and Hillary, I’d prefer either of them to the Churchian conservative fools (who remind me more of the SJW Left at this point) who think themselves righteous for opposing Trump on moral grounds, yet said nothing about GWB or Romney ( heretics both).
Since you did ask where I come philosophically, I will answer:
1) True freedom is from Christ, not from a man-made document based on the secular Enlightenment (eg the Constitution).
2) As America is a secular society with a secular system of government, Christians will always be voting (if they do) for lesser of the evils.
3) Anyone who has voted or advocated for a politician (especially presidents) in the last 30 years has no business criticizing the moral character of Trump or anyone.
4) I suspect that most of the holy rollers’ opposing Trump is really a combination of either a) personal dislike, or b) jealousy over the fact that Trump has said one or two things that are Truth, while they lack the courage to do so (not the sincerity of his belief, rather just the fact he said them).
Vote Satan then; he loves liberty (except for worshiping God, but that’s a minor detail /s), and he certainly has great character. I may disagree with the Catholics, but they still use the Christian Bible (mostly). Ever hear of apologetics? I live in Mormon Land (+60%); my vote doesn’t matter. Clears your perspective. Sans Christ, nice gets you as far as debauchery with God.
I object to Donald Trump being our President because he lacks the moral character to lead our nation. I don’t care if it gets your panties in a wad, I believe we should insist upon a higher moral threshold for those we elect to lead our nation. Men who cheat on their wives; men who lie constantly, blatantly, and without compunction; men who ignore the oath to which they’ve bound their sacred honor should not be given the reins of power.
Their is no religious test in this country for the office of presidency. As you stated, the Constitution was a product of the enlightenment. Moral and ethical standards can – and should – exist without attaching religious dogma to it. From where one derives their standards, matters not, so long as society demands that those standards be met as a basis for determining eligibility to lead other men. Being of sound mind and good repute has long been required of men seeking acceptance into organizations or positions of leadership.
I attach no fundamental religious test or requirement to this demand. Atheist, Christian, Mormon…it matters not to me, because our nation allows for all beliefs while also protecting us from them. No man can implement his beliefs as a governing force in my life, so it doesn’t matter what his religion is. Here, Thomas Jefferson strikes at the very heart of what got MOISAS started:
Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.
So, what got him worked into a religious fervor?
I agree, but that is utterly befuddling to me. I just don’t get it. They couldn’t support a genuinely good man (by all accounts) because he was Mormon, but they’ll twist their logic into Gordian knots to justify voting for the orange menace. I don’t think I’ll ever understand.
Again, I must say that I’m befuddled. How can people NOT VOTE for the Mormon of solid repute but justify voting for a serial-adulterer of questionable-repute? You have the floor.