The Lost History of The Little People

Interview with Susan B. Martinez

1. What was your prime motivation knowledge wise in creating your new book The Lost History of the Little People?

I have been a student of the Oahspe bible for 30 years; within its books, you often hear about the “Ihins,” an extinct race of little people, known as the sacred little people. Some of my research comes out of sheer curiosity. I was curious to see if the Ihins would show up in the mundane record. It was over many years that I had simply collected scraps and snippets along these lines. The same thing happened before my Lincoln book: I began to notice how thick the file had become. Maybe it was time – to write.

2. How do these hobbits aka little people fit in with the myths or folklore of our world when pertaining to faeries and other creation stories?

Well, the fit is good. I like to work with diverse sources: paleoanthropology, ethnography, archeology, epigraphy, antiquities, oral history, mythology and legend … these disparate fields should be studied together, especially when you’re digging into the deep, dark past. You can’t really put the picture together without diving in to all relevant sources. In the book, I devote a lot of ink to creation stories that are consistent with the origins I had in mind; native North America alone is so full of little-people folklore, that it could fill a book in its own right. The British Isles also turn out to be rich in leprechaun lore and fairy fables. Just beneath the surface is a lot of historical material – if you know how to sort out fact from fiction.

3. Please tell us about Pan aka Lemuria or Mu and how this ties into the story of the Little People. I’m a Capricorn so an island named Pan sounds kinda nice until the sea rises I suppose.

Pan/Mu/Lemuria is a very large subject. Judging from the size of my file on it, I oughta write a book! I have a colleague who is producing a film on this topic. Yes, there is a tie-in, more than a tie-in. The little people, as I understand these histories, were the only survivors of the submersion of Pan (24,000 years ago). Probably this came to be known as the Great Deluge, but I spend a bit of time in my books explaining that it was not a “universal” Flood, as tradition often portrays it. No, it was the sinking of the great continent in the Pacific Ocean, from which the little people (otherwise known as “Noah and sons”) escaped. I devote the Prologue of my next book to this subject. It’s bedrock, and without it, we cannot decipher protohistory or the “suddenness” of civilization in so many places: Egypt, Sumeria, Mexico, China…… I am not an Atlantologist. I am a Panologist!

4. How are some of these mounds like in North American home to the Little people? Do you mean physically they lived there or spirit wise?

Yes, it was their home. The “mystery” of the Moundbuilders remains unsolved (supposedly) since the time the mounds were discovered. They were built all over the world by the survivors of the Flood. Yet they were particularly notable in America, a new land, to the Europeans, anyway. Obdurate archeology still assigns the mounds to the Indian culture, but that is a transparent pseudo-solution: the Indians themselves did not know who had built them. For a variety of reasons, the little people lived on the mounds (explained in chap. 7); they lived there, bodily, yes. Some of the startling artifacts found therein are of a curiously high civilization. Orthodox prehistorians would rather maintain the “mystery” than upset the apple cart of evolution by recognizing this advanced people of the Mesolithic.

5. Would you tell us about pygmy tunnels, dwarf villages, elf arrows, and tiny coffins?

All these are evidence of a small-statured race, and they are found all across the globe – from Ireland to Central America, from Oceania to Ohio. Pygmy-sized huts, doorways, roofs, tunnels abound – and again, archeologists “explain” them seven ways from Sunday, leaving out the most obvious interpretation: they were built by little folks. As an example, the tiny doorways (no more than 4 feet high) are explained as a defensive strategy, built by normal sized people as an extra measure to keep their enemies out or slow them down. Yet, we know that in places such as Scotland, the 3 feet high stone chambers were built by the Picts who are indeed otherwise known to have been a “dwarf” race. There are even miniature cities – everything built to a small scale, such as that found in Guatemala at Topoxte.

6. When it comes to skeletal remains what are we finding of the hobbits? I know there seems to be also a great cover up of skeletal remains of giants. Is this going on with the hobbits as well?

Yes. It amazes me that with all the clear-cut evidence of giantism in an early epoch, the textbooks have not incorporated this truth. Human races in times past were both miniscule and gigantic. Of course, with all the cross-breeding that has taken place over the eons, the differences have leveled off. Skeletal remains of a hobbit race are legion, but to a certain extent they have been suppressed. Entire pygmy graveyards have been uncovered in America (Pennsylvania, Ohio), but since there is no slot for little people in the academic conception of human evolution, those bones are reported as belonging to “children” – or even animals! Sure, there are the pygmies of Africa and the Negritos of Malaysia, but even these living groups are thought to have “shrunk” from normal size people, due to malnutrition or any other reason they can think of. They call it Island Dwarfing – which may be fine for certain animal species, but has never been demonstrated in the primate order.

7. What happened to the little people exactly? I mean there are still little people. And are there still people who are little people like in the modern world that are connected to them DNA wise?

Oh yes, the little people of today’s world are direct descendants of the Old Ones. They are among the oldest races in the world. That’s one of the reasons their folklore and creation stories are so interesting. Even aspects of their body type bring us back to some of the earliest groups; language, too, gives an idea of the Mother Language, a common tongue, that once existed.

8. What would you like to share with us from your book that might fascinate our readers or that you find enduring to the heart that you would like to share with us?

I think what stays with me is the old (and new) theme of persecution and exploitation. I’ve got a lot on this in chapter 6. It’s not just a “lost history” that comes into focus in this study. I was made aware of the present-day situation which, in a way, reminded me of the extirpations of old. I never spent a lot of time on this theme, but it is a fact that before the Flood, the little people, the Ihins, had been eradicated in every part of the world — except Pan. Genocide. Today, the abuses of the little people are legion. In Africa, for example, the governments of Gabon, Cameroon and Congo are rapidly evicting pygmies from their forest home, to cash in on profits from the hardwoods. It is the same in Sri Lanka, where the forest-dwelling Veddas are also being shoved out by timber barons. Ditto the Bushmen of the Kalahari Desert: diamond mines there. The sorry treatment of these helpless little people repeats itself in today’s Malaysia, China, and elsewhere. I have listed on page 208 a number of human rights groups who are trying to bring these abuses to public attention.

9. Tell us please more about the Little People and their lifestyle they seemed Shamanic in many ways yes?

Remembered in oral history as magical beings, and even deified by many tribes, the little people may be regarded as the very source of our own “humanity.” They were the first on earth to hold the spark of the divine; it was part of their nature and of their origin. Without an understanding of their history, thinkers have tended to mistake them for ETs and ancient astronauts who came to earth to teach. Even scholars have not understood that many of the ancient “deities” were in fact the ancestor, particularly the pure Ihin, before race mixing began.

10. What are you working on in the future book wise? I have enjoyed this book tremendously and enjoyed The Quickening. Any links you would like to share? Thanks.

Which mixing and interbreeding became the topic of my next book, appearing as a sequel, actually, to the little people book. It seems that by the end of that book I had only touched on these amalgamations. A new picture of the race history of man was emerging. It was not Darwinian evolution at all, but a long series of cross-breeding that made up the Family Tree and the fossil record upon which that “tree” is based (paleo-anthropology). More than a century has been taken up with changing the “evolutionary” ladder to a tree, then to a bush, then to a “network”: and that network is nothing more than the interchange of the “branches.” In other words, the interbreeding of different types. The experts, politely, call it “gene exchange.” Say, between Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon man. And in the final analysis, this is what was going on. Not evolution. So my writing has moved in the direction of challenging the Standard Model – and not only of human origins. (the sequel, scheduled for release in Nov., is called The Mysterious Origins of Hybrid Man.) And that book, in turn, sequed into the next one! (tentatively titled Out of the Box, in which I take a shot at the Standard Models of science and even parascience, rebutting Big Bang, Ice Age, Global Warming, the “Unconscious,” Astrology, Reincarnation and a couple of other paradigms in need of serious revision.

Susan B. Martinez, Ph.D., is a writer, linguist, teacher, paranormal researcher, and recognized authority on the Oahspe Bible with a doctorate in anthropology from Columbia University. The author of 3 books, including Time of the Quickening, she is the book review editor for the Academy of Spirituality and Paranormal Studies. She lives in Clayton, Georgia.

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