The Rise and Fall of the Nephilim: The Untold Story of Fallen Angels, Giants on the Earth, and Their Extraterrestrial Origins

Interview with Scott Alan Roberts On The Nephilim

1. Did you have a religious upbringing and go to church regularly as a kid and what fired you up at deciphering knowledge from ye ole holy bible?

My upbringing was a little funny when it came to religion. Our family was fairly agnostic, and I chalk this up to my mother being raised by her step-father, who was an agnostic Jewish man – not completely atheistic, but not functional within any religious or spiritual framework, either. On the other hand, this made for a very open-minded acceptance of anything we wanted to, as individuals, get involved with – as long as it wasn’t “cultish” in nature, of course.

My own step-father, who was married to my mother when I was about two years-old until I was six, was Ukranian Orthodox, and had we kids all baptized into the Orthodox Church. After her divorce from him, my mother brought us to the little Seventh Day Adventist Church, mostly because it was right next door to our house in Minneapolis. That didn’t last long.

I think that there is a certain amount of “seeking” built into each and evey one of us, and I found myself always on the prowl – even as a young kid – to find God. I tried several different churches and denominations, mostly at the behest or invite of friends during my elementary school days. But it wasn’t until I became a “born again” Christian at age eleven at a Baptist Church that I had finally settled into something that was a fit, at the time, for my young mind. I think the main reason this stuck with me for so long was because I had a mentor within that framework.

When I was eleven, I met an “old man” (I think he was only sixty, at the time, which doesn’t seem old at all, anymore) at a small burger joint near my home. He invited me to come to Sunday School the next day. I accepted and the rest is history. This same fellow also became my “surrogate” dad. We had no father in our home, and he was more than willing to fit the bill. He was a stonemason and took me on in a sort of ad hoc apprenticeship, and remained my mentor and father figure until his death at the hands of prostate cancer five years later.

What his mentorship and tutelage did for me was set my young mind on a track that it did not deviate from for many, many years. He was a very simple, uneducated man who was completely genuine and loving in his faith, and it was his personal interaction with me that brought the message home in it’s full reality. Because of his involvement in my life, I ended up in bible college, seminary and evangelical ministry in my early adult life.

I will say, however, that it was this very same denomination that led me to ask many questions and due to many disillusionments and legalisms, move in other directions in my early thirties. My old mentor, as I mentioned, was very simplistic in his beliefs, and did not possess the tools – nor the desire – to decipher the “deeper mysteries” and dig for the deeper answers. While he was a wonderful man of heart-felt, genuine faith, he saw no need to go any further, and in the great scheme of the universe, I think that was exactly what I needed at the time.

The older I got, the less enthralled I was by the “praise the Lord” aspect of religion. I wanted to know more. I wanted better answers. And while faith is that thing that requires a certain modicum of mystery, I felt locked into modes of belief that many times made no sense to me. So I started looking for answers in methods and modes that lay outside the realm of dogmatic faith.

2. You have such a fiery approach with your subject matter from Rise & Fall of the Nephilim. Do you consider yourself a preacher of sorts? You are actually inspiring and make this subject matter so much more enjoyable and not as boring as maybe I remember it from attending Church back in my olden golden days when I use to go.

That probably hails back to my days in ministry as a youth pastor when I actually was a preacher! Haha. I love public speaking and I can get pretty passionate about what I believe. I was never a “fire and brimstone” sort, but was always more a passionate teacher. I like to draw people into things and get them excited about possibilities and asking questions. And it’s extremely difficult to get people excited about the etymology of ancient language and historical data unless you make it pertinent and passionate. To me, knowledge of history, archaeology, anthropology, cosmology and all the other “ologies” in between sheds light on a subject, rather like opening the door to a dark room and letting in the light.

I guess that’s why I tend to bill myself as a bit of a “Stand Up Philosopher.”

3. Do you think Bigfoot aka Sasquatch are the Nephilim possibly? If not then do you think they are still around and if so what do they look like?

I do believe they are an actual species, albeit mysterious and elusive on a more elemental plane. Are they Nephilim? Perhaps connected, but more akin to the spirits and elementals. I would place them in that same realm as the Fae and Elven peoples who – while being very real entities – have been watered down through the ages and made the stuffs of fairy tales and legends.

But, since they leave some physical evidences, I believe they are much more cryptozoological than spiritual. There is obviously a fortean dimension to them, otherwise they’d have been bagged and tagged, by now, and their elusive quality can make only speculate as to their true nature.

If you go to Native American and far eastern lore, however, you will find them to be more than simplistic animals, as they seem to possess a definitively “higher spiritual” quality.

4. Alright do you believe there is an actual Satan who represents a true source of evil in our world and fallen angels? Do you think the Anti-Christ is coming and all that jazz? What is your view on the end times and Revelations and the return of Christ?

Yes. Satan’s biggest act of deceit was in convincing people he doesn’t exist. But I also think there is a lot more to this character than simply the devilish qualities placed on him by religion.

I believe there is a literal personage named Lucifer, albeit the term/name “Satan” is a title as opposed to a personal pronoun. All through the old testament book of Job you find the article “the” appearing before the word “Satan” – “the Satan” sought audience with God in the courts of heaven; “the Satan” accused Job; etc. Satan, roughly translated means “the accuser.”

Is The Satan/The Devil the quintessential source point of evil? That depends on what religion of faith you adhere to. Can evil be embodied in a singular entity, especially when that entity was said to be a “created being?” That is a tough pill for me to swallow. Scripturally speaking, Lucifer/Satan/Devil is not a counterpart to God – he is not the yang to God’s Yin. He is an angelic being he got too cocky for his pants, so God booted him from Heaven and gave him the realm of the earth. Of course, an earlier representation of the same character is found 3000 years earlier in the Sumerian documents, wherein Enki/Ea, the first “freedom fighter” on behalf of the human race is associated with the serpent, yet is condemned to spend the rest of his existence living in the subterranean caverns of the earth as punishment for coming to the aid of mankind, teaching them forbidden knowledge.

I have a tough time with many of the articles of theology I was taught in my earlier years, and the existence of Satan as the source of all evil is just one of them.

As for the so-called Anti-Christ of Christian theology, no matter whom we may think this character to be, he has to fit biblical criteria, for the source of the word is biblical eschatology (study of the end times). Every period of history has had it’s tyrant whom faithful Christians believed to be the Anti-Christ, but what all these theories have seemed to collectively missed is the fact that biblically speaking, the Anti-Christ is supposed to be a political man who “rises up out of Judaism.” He is a man who claims Hebrew heritage and can name his Hebrew tribe. I don’t think any of the tyrannical leaders thought to have been the Anti-Christ were Jews, let alone Hebrews. And, no, as much as we’d like to think it, President obama is not the Anti-Christ. He is not a Jewish Hebrew who can name his tribe.

Christ’s return is imminent, meaning it could happen at any time. While the world’s events seem to look as if the stage is being set, you still have to ask yourself if the end times will unfold as taught in biblical eschatology. Is the return of the Christ simply the biblical version of end times, or is it the definitive truth on the matter. If it happens in our lifetimes, we’ll certainly find out. It’s a matter of faith.

5. How did Adam and Eve get here? Colonization or Amoeba Monkeys with alien intervention?

Scripturally speaking, they were created by God: Adam from the dust of the ground, and Eve from his rib. In other creation mythologies, the first couple ascended from subterranean caverns of the earth, or descended to the earth on the creation mound as four couples.

I tend to believe that the creation story of Adam and Eve involved real people, but that the story is allegorical in nature. Whether they came into existence by creative act of the Divine, or by interbreeding with – or genetic experimentation on – existent hominids on the part of non-human intelligences, is something we may never know for sure.

I tend to think the theory of the evolutionary ascendancy of mankind is full of holes, and that even science has to make great, exponential leaps of faith to fill in the missing links in the even greater holes that exist in the theory. Perhaps humans as we know it are the result of “race interrupted,” as opposed to “race created.”

6. If you could describe God like the actual creator of the human species how would you describe him?

I used to think I knew precisely how to answer that question, now I am not so sure. If God exists anything like I was taught, I think he is much more detached from his creation than I once thought. I no longer believe he is the loving God who cares about us and waits for us with his arms open wide. I rather see him as a God who couldn’t give two shits about humanity. He created us and we are his to do with as he pleases, having made this point so evident in his dealings with mankind and peoples in the pages of Old Testament scripture. It was just as easy for God to create mankind as it was for him to wipe them all out with the snap of a divine finger. In so many instances he demanded the extermination of human beings by other human beings, and even when I was steeped in my evangelical Christian faith, still smacked of being incredibly unjust on the part of a God who was not only supremely holy, but also, supposedly, infinitely just. And the answer that was always given when I questioned these things was, “Hey, that’s God. And we are his to do with as he wishes.”

That answer just didn’t cut it for me.

I have come to see God as being much less involved in human affairs than what the teachings of evangelical Christianitysay. If he even exists at all, it would have to be in a very different form. Of the things which I once used to be so certain, I no longer know anything.

To quote the late Richard Fyneman, “All the stories about God seem, to me, to be too simple; too local, too provincial. That ‘HE’ came to the Earth – one of the aspects of God came to the Earth, mind you! And look at what’s ‘out there,’ it isn’t in proportion.”

As for me, I’d rather live ‘not knowing’ than have answers that might be wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees of certainty about different things, but I am not absolutely sure about anything. And of many things, I know absolutely nothing at all. But I am realizing for the first time in my life that I don’t really have to have an answer; I don’t have to feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in a mysterious universe without any particular purpose – which is the way it really is, as far as I can tell.

I doubt God. I doubt everything. Doubting is a very fundamental part of my soul. At the heart of it all is ‘doubting;’ to doubt and to ask. And when you doubt and ask, it all gets a little bit more difficult – a little bit harder to believe.

7. I believe in angels. I’ve seen beings of light, before, and actually beings like serpents or reptilians, back in my olden, golden, messing-with-the-occult-like-a-fool, wizard days. So I actually do believe there is great truths in the bible but of course some of mankind uses it for their own evil devices to manipulate others through selfish reasons. How do you feel about heaven and hell? Do they exist and what do you think the afterlife is like?

I, too, believe there are great truths in the bible – some of them meant to remainmysteries, I am convinced. When God, in the Garden of Eden story, speaks to the “other gods,” he says in Genesis 3:22 – “And the LORD God said, ‘Look, the human beingshave become like Us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!’”

Someone doesn’t want us knowing and experiencing “more than we should.”

Regarding Heaven and Hell, I do not know whether or not they are literal places. Once again, dependent on your faith and acceptance of the orthodoxy of scripture, these are places of reward and punishment in the afterlife. But I also find it very curious that salvation, biblically speaking, is not something that can be rewarded, as it is a free gift of God, not something that can be earned. So if you obtain salvation as a merciful free goft of God, how can you also be rewarded for it?

Heaven is also known as the realm of God, his angels and fellow deities – the Divine Council. Heaven is to Jehovah what Olympus is to Zeus.

Further, if Hell is indeed a literal place of eternal, infinite, unending separation from God, a place of infinite torment, why would God establish as criteria for not going there, the acceptance of a salvation that is offered up by faith alone? No proofs. No assurances. And why, then, would God leave a decision of such great magnitude, of such infinite import in the hands of such finite, limited beings who, at best, have a mere 70-100 years to make that decision, based, again, on mere faith in something that has no proof, evidence or substance?

However, having said all of that, if Heaven and hell do, indeed, exist, they are among those mysteries of the nature of God that we may never be able to understand. After all, can we psychoanalyze God? If he is indeed a being that weilds such great cosmic power and authority, we are – as Jonathan Edwards preached in the eighteenth century – “sinners in the hands of an angry God.”

8. How do you feel about Christ and how do you explain that so many other cultures have had similar Christ like stories like Egypt and the story of Horus and beings have embodied this Christ consciousness.

I have always accepted the story of Jesus Christ as being the true “Son of God” and savior of mankind. This is something I accept by faith and faith alone, for even a cursory glance at other historical characters could dissuade one from accepting Jesus of Nazareth on anything other than a faith level.

Was he a real, historical person? Of course. To say he wasn’t is simply rooted in anything but fact finding and historical criteria. Did his followers expand and exaggerate? Probably, to some extent, seeing that they were establishing a religion.

There are also the many other historical personages who fit the same criteria as Jesus of Nazareth. First century Christian apologist Justin Martyr chalks this all up to what he called “diabolical mimmickry,” meaning he believed that all prior “messiahs” that had the same characteristics as Jesus Christ were simply established by the work of the Devil. I find this pill very hard to swallow.

Bottom line for me is that I believe those who want to deny the historical Jesus simply have an axe to grind with religion, or have, as their leaping off point, a need to deny his existence.