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Winners And Losers From Tonight’s Last Presidential Debate

Wednesday, October 19, 2016 19:49
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Tonight was the final Presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and there were fewer fireworks than in previous debates. In this one we finally spent most of it hearing their answers on policy questions and discussing what they would do as President, and much less time on trading barbs over each other’s various scandals. Believe it or not, and you may be forgiven for forgetting this in our modern media environment, but the policies and things they will do actually matter almost as much as whether or not they are jerks. Crazy.

With that said, there were winners and losers tonight. And they are …


DONALD TRUMP: Mind you, this was a razor thin margin. It’s very easy as a partisan to say that the winner of a debate is the person who said the things most aligned with your politics, but a debate winner must be the person who won the most out of the process of debating. At this point, Trump has to reach people who are repulsed by both of them, and not be visibly, viscerally more repellent. Though his temper slipped a few times, he was generally less of a boorish oaf this time than he typically is. In that way, he certainly gave people holding out some modicum of shelter to consider him. “Perhaps he will also be only somewhat repugnant as President, as well,” they can say. That’s a win by his considerably low bar.

Additionally, he got in some legitimately good hits on Hillary’s weak points, definitely shook her and drew temper from her, and gave pro-life voters some hope that he has something to offer them, if not understanding of the issues. And he successfully busted her again on her thirty years of not getting anything done, a good line of attack against her.

: Yes, also a winner. Trump’s margin I mentioned above was over himself, not her. Hillary won tonight as well, because she gave shelter to the independents, the undecideds, and the third party folks who are surely wavering at this point. Like Trump, she has to convince the people who hate them both to hate her less, and where he apppealed the haters who lean right, she appealed to the haters who lean left. She flat-out lied, but marginally successfully, on having a nuanced position on the Second Amendment. She successfully endured Trump’s outbursts, smiling the way her audience and Trump-haters alike will find pleasing, and she didn’t do the weird Hillary stuff like cackling, making too many strange faces (but some), or that bizarre shoulder shaking shimmy. By her also considerably low bar, that’s a win, too.

Additionally, on the one issue where Trump wins the majority of his “reluctant” supporters, the Supreme Court, he blew it, leaving her with no loss on the topic.

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Putin will be grinning for hours. Hillary “reset button” Clinton, of the party of “the 80s want their foreign policy back,” went on a tirade about him, said he wants a puppet and will get it in Donald, Donald said SHE was the puppet and that Putin isn’t his best friend. This was all good for him. Of the three, he came out looking like the one with power and pulling the strings.

BARACK OBAMA, MITT ROMNEY, and JOHN MCCAIN: Remember candidates capable of debate? Of clever turns of phrase, respectful forcefulness, and deep knowledge of the topics at hand? Yeah. Miss em now, don’t ya?


: Hillary demonstrated that she will appoint exactly the kind of judges we all fear she will. Trump demonstrated a total inability to discuss the Supreme Court like someone who has heard of it, knows what it does, or why it matters.

FOREIGN POLICY: What can one say here? We’re doomed.

THE ECONOMY: See above.

IMMIGRATION: No matter which of them wins, there will be no satisfactory resolution on the issues of illegal immigration, legal immigration, or border security.

EVERYTHING and EVERYONE ELSE: Sorry folks. Wish we could take a mulligan. I really, really do.

We’ll have more detailed analysis throughout the night and into the morning. Stay tuned to RedState for more.

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  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about….. Killary should be in prison not on the ballot.

  • jdpent01

    jdp…Hillary got caught in a out rite lie in the debate on open borders, this disqualifies her from winning.

  • disimental

    Hilary is a liar and has 30+ plus year developing the skills to lie to the American people with a straight face.
    Donald is not a liar. His is a little rough around the edges but not a liar.
    What this comes down to is “Who can you trust”!
    DAH not Killary!

  • Ideas Time

    Was HC reading?

  • unidentified

    the debate was different this time because there werent a lot of interruptions and shifting off topic, what was said about the wikileaks scandal didnt add much to the conversation however both candidates claim russian intelligence might be involved in email/server hacking because who else might have done it couldnt have been our own government :lol: :roll:

  • Eggzactly

    FU Red State ya #nevertrumpers, go troll on other news sites.

  • Uriel#73

    Here is what I don’t get. Aside from the douche bag msm and satanic illuminati entertainment sellouts, we all know who they are, I am personally not seeing any support for her. Not one person I know can stand her. The comments I read from every article about the race or debates is 99% the same, nothing but disdain for her. So, where is the actual support for her among the voters cuz I’m not seeing it. You bet your a$$ this election is being rigged.

    • Rockledge

      I am a very active musician and as such have a lot of social contact with people from a pretty wide range of demographics and backgrounds.

      What you say is what I am experiencing as well.
      Interestingly, most of the women I have talked to have absolutely no intention of voting for her, which I find quite surprising.
      It seems the bra burner movement has its’ limits.


    The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! —— H. Clinton.

  • Eggzactly

    I wish we could take a ‘mulligan’ from redneck states biased garbage. :wink:

  • Rockledge

    These debates are pointless. They are extravagant Jerry Springer specials.
    I doubt seriously any minds were changed.
    The bottom line still is:
    Those who want this country back like it used to be for both Democrats and Republicans are voting for Trump.
    Those who want to “stay the course” and keep the downward spiral because they view the future as being some hedonistic fairy tale and do not realize the peril we are in will vote for President Clintons old lady.

    One thing I am sure of, this election cycle is no longer Republicans vs Democrats. No doubt there will be far fewer voters riding the party lines than in the past.

    The debates are simply part of the charade, the hollywood production that makes us feel like we are part of the process.
    They mean very little.

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