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    • ProudToBeJudah

      The Jewish people in Israel today are Esau, they’re Edomites. The Israel thats spoken of in the bible are the people scattered throughout the four corners of the earth.

      • Truthseeker

        IF that is so, is then all of the promises to Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David ect —just lies?

        Where are the great nation, the kings, the company of nations
        The Throne of David that God promised David would always have his seed sitting on?
        The hundred of millions of people, as the sands of the sea and the stars of heaven?

        And how do you explain the dividing of Jacob into the House of Israel and the House of Judah? Two separate nations to be joined later at the end times?

        Read the above again, if all of the contracts and promises of God are not fulfilled, then how do you trust God?.

        Are you of Judah, Benjamin or the Levites? Do you know anyone that claims to be of one other 9 tribes?

        There are many questions listed above, that demand a correct answer. It is time for the Vail to be lifted.

    • daretospeak

      I had a good chew on that! :grin:

    • BEEF SUPREME

      “The vast majority of “Christians” have never even heard these scriptures”

      Whose fault is that?

      “Please note the Holy Spirit has not been mentioned as a third God Entity, a third person, as it is not.”

      Splendid. The doctrine of the trinity is a pagan invention.

      But how on this Earth does ‘race’ = ‘the land’; and how does Germany have anything at all to do with Assyria. Germany has nothing to do with Assyria. Unless your argument is that Germany came OUT of Assyria – but where is the evidence for such an argument.

      And to ask why this message is not being preached (the parts of it that are scripturally valid – like the Second Exodus)… who would preach it? Christianity isn’t going to preach against itself. It is messages like this which expose the entirety of Christianity to be an invention of the organization known as ‘Church’. There is no such thing as a scripturally valid body known as Christianity.

      If we heed the call of our Father in Heaven, we become Israel. Do you want to become Israel? If yes, then you have been called by Him. It is up to the called to answer and to follow His Commandments. Is this foolishness to you? Then He hasn’t called you. Do you hate even hearing about these things and the Father and Messiah? Then you are probably an enemy of the Most High. (This is said to no one in particular.)

      What’s more important? Being a good ‘Christian’ or following the instructions of our Father in Heaven? It is one or the other. Christian doctrine is not compatible with the Instructions of our Father. Did Messiah come to Earth to found a new religion? Or did He come to fulfill the promise made to Abraham – the first of the Hebrews.

      • Pix

        “Germany has nothing to do with Assyria. Unless your argument is that Germany came OUT of Assyria – but where is the evidence for such an argument.”

        The dna of Tutankhamun was about 90% northern European and less than 1% local. Which means his father, the inbred despot who invented and enforced the first mono deity religion on the entire Egyptian empire, was also northern European.

      • Truthseeker

        you are missing one of the main points, Israel. God chose Abram and made a good size nation out of the 12 sons of Jacob. Then He divided them 10 and 2, two nations, then even further, one son of Joseph was to become a huge company of nations. and the other son a great nation.

        These are not Jewish, where are they?? They are going into captivity soon.

        I recommend a book from 1903 or 6, I can’t remember,

        Titled “JUDAH’S SCEPTER AND JOSEPH’S BIRTHRIGHT” by J. H. Allen This is the most complete study about Israel and all the prophecy that has been and must be fulfilled.

        You can still buy it on the internet. This is the best

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Why do you think the point is missed? Is there a sound argument that ‘Jews’ (if the term is even legitimate, which it may not be) comprise more than 1/12th of the remnant of Hebrews?

          I have looked for (and have found nothing legitimate) any evidence in support of the claim that the Hebrews became who you indicate them to be. I believe scattered to the four corners means exactly that — and therefore any attempt to identify and isolate specific nations apart and aside from all other nations is contrary to the instruction of Scripture. Is it your argument that all Hebrews are Anglo/Saxon Caucasians? I certainly hope this is not your argument.

          A point which is consistently overlooked is that, given the number of generations since the dispersions of both the Northern and the Southern Kingdoms, anyone at all alive on Earth today may well have Israelite blood flowing through their veins. It is likely that we all do. Certainly many Ethiopians do. Certainly many Spaniards do. Certainly many Greeks and Italians do. Certainly many in the Middle East do. So the contention that the remnant can be narrowed down to a single race or a single nation or nations is not a valid contention.

          What about your connection between Assyria and Germany? How do you explain the connection you have drawn between the two?

        • Truthseeker

          muad did

          I am interested in the promises given in The Word of God. For the Bible to be true, they must be fulfilled. In the article above are many many promises, if they have not been fulfilled then how can you trust the Word of God?

          It is stated many times throughout the Old and New Testament, that there would always be a King of the linage of David sitting on His throne. This is the throne Christ will return to sit upon. If it is not real, if it does not exist? What then?

          That is just one of many promises made by Jesus Christ that are included above,They must be visible, provable, all other lines of thinking or thought matter not one bit.

          If you really want to understand the importance of the House of Israel and the House of Judah in today’s world I highly recommend the book I listed above in my comment.
          The Bible is truly focused on only Israel. IF the Bible be true, there must be hundreds of millions that are living today, that are of the 12 tribes.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Truthseekser,

          We’re more or less on the same page. If you genuine Israelites are going to be a bunch of white people, I would strongly suggest that you re-examine the evidence. (I myself am as white as they come) If I can I will check out the book you recommend, but right now a group of us is working diligently to re-construct the only Calendar YHWH ever ordained. This Calendar is not the one currently in use by the rabbis in Jerusalem – it is not the ‘Jewish’ lunar calendar, which is an illegitimate invention of man.

          I mention the calendar because it is one of the main reasons for the Kingdoms (first the North, then the South – twice) to have been dispersed. When in the dispersion, there is no king. The King of Judah was in chains at the time of the Babylonian Exile. His replacement (ordained by Nebuchadnezzar – not by YHWH) was eventually arrested, blinded and imprisoned. YHWH’s ordained king, Jehoiachin, was eventually pardoned by a successor to King Nebuchadnezzar and was released. However, in the interim between Jehoiachin’s arrest and imprisonment and his eventual release (about 37 years) there was no king of Judah. Technically, there was no king of Judah until the return from Babylonian exile and the construction of the Second Temple. Thus, the throne sat vacant for 70 years because technically there was no Kingdom of Judah at the time.

          The point is this – no Kingdom of Judah = no King of Judah. And there is no contradiction here. Once the Kingdom of Israel is restored (and it will be – it hasn’t happened yet. The State of Israel has NOTHING to do with the Kingdom of Israel. The state is illegitimate) then there will once more be a king, and the blood-line of David will once again take up residence on the throne of the kingdom.

          We will know then who the Israelites are and who they are not.

          Nothing of the promise and no word of prophecy will fall to the ground without being fulfilled. Prophecy will be fulfilled to the letter. The promise will be kept entirely.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          I neglected a word in my second sentence. It should read:

          If you THINK genuine Israelites…

        • Truthseeker

          As stated in the article, Zedekiah was the last King of the “House of Judah”, but the promise is that David would sit on the throne of the House of Israel, not Judah. Big difference.
          Jeremiah took Zedekiah daughters North to become Queens. Read the whole book of Jeremiah.and reading the Book by J. H. Allen is a must, it will change your whole perspective. Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Obadiah, Isaiah and many others all call for the third captivity of both houses of Jacob at the end of the age. Why do you think it is called ” The time of Jacob’s Trouble?

          At the return of Christ, He frees the captives, what do you think the 144,000 and the innumerable multitude are? The 2 witnesses will be proclaiming “Let My People Go”.
          The 2nd exodus is the coming to Jerusalem of the 144,000 and the multitude.

          The truth has always been in God’s Word. There has been a Vail that is now beginning to be lifted.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Zedekiah was not illegitimate. Nebuchadnezzar does not choose the king of Judah — YHWH does. Was Zedekiah even of the Davidic bloodline?

          Part of the problem with your recommended author is his penchant for assuming there is anything good about the satanic symbols still in use today by the State of Israel and by the British and US governments. The Eye of Horus on the Great Seal? Really? That’s a good thing? The Star of Remphan? Really? These are Satanic emblems, and there is no question about that.

          Zedekiah was an illegitimate king who broke his covenant with Nebuchadnezzar. Not even covenants with men are to be broken, much less with kings. A vow is a vow. What happened to Zedekiah’s ‘royal seed’ is meaningless. The Tribe of Judah returned to the seat of power after Zedekiah was crushed, blinded and locked away. The Davidic Bloodline will occupy the Throne of the Kingdom of Israel (Jacob) when Messiah returns.

          The degree to which Allen took license in his treatment of the Apostle Paul’s letters should be a very clear warning of the spirit of the message. Allen inserts the word ‘race’ into Paul’s writings with impunity where no such meaning exists in the words as they were written by Paul. The message Allen was selling is not in Scripture.

          You are welcome to this interpretation with a twist. It does not fit Scripture. Just leave room in your mental-model of all things scriptural for this ‘race-based’ paradigm to be flawed at best, if not completely off base and wrong — which I think it is. If YHWH was a white supremacist, you might be onto something. As it happens, He is not.

          So be it.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Once again in my haste I have posted in error. First line above should read:

          Zedekiah WAS illegitimate.

    • Pix

      “Isn’t God ‘trying’ to save all of mankind?”

      Where would anyone get that idea? First it didn’t want us to know the difference between right and wrong. (We won’t go into what sort of being that would be). Cursed and punished us for it. Then changes it’s mind by saving the one family that did know and drowned the entire world because the rest of humanity didn’t.

      As far as can be told, you can’t win no matter what you do, damned if you do and double damned if you don’t. In that there is no hope if you DON’T disobey… they all drowned.

      • Pix

        Also, with the claim it is omniscient, means it deliberately created the scenario where it could drown the entire world. You can’t have it both ways, it either knows what is going to happen, or it does not.

        • BEEF SUPREME

          Pix,

          Why do you have the strange idea that physical death means the same thing to you and me as it does to the Creator? Why isn’t there room in your mental paradigm for the possibility that we have no idea what He’s thinking?

          Prudence.

        • daretospeak

          Pix, a very long time ago was intent on all that is pure and thus desired absolute purity of their own life.

          Tragically that pursuit of purity was violently devastated.

          How could God allow such a violation to happen? A seemingly unanswerable question!

          The only way to reconcile seemingly sane reasoning was to dethrone God and mingle Him with fallible humanistic reasoning.

          Pix excelled at this barrage of intellectual assassination, desperately needing to disprove God and His Word!

          Because a Righteous God would never allow humanity to be violated, or so pix’s assumption went.

          God repented of His works and eventually sentenced Himself to die a cruel death.

          Can Pix forgive God?

          Can Pix dig deep and forgive every violation of purity?

          Purity reaches perfection in extreme forgiveness.

      • Truthseeker

        Are you reading the same Bible I am?

        NO, God is not trying to save all mankind now!

        He drowned millions in Noah’s flood, what happens to them, what happens to all those abortions, the kids that are killed on and on.

        and right now only about 25% of the world claims to be some kind, sect or flavor of Christian and 99.97% are not. So if this is the only day of salvation, God the Father is not doing so good.

        If you believe the words of Jesus Christ, He says “many are Called and FEW are chosen”

        There are 3 times for salvation and 3 resurrection, there are no second chances, everyone gets ONE.

        Not sure of what else you are saying.

    • clockwork angel

      Thank you Father for having giving me the knowledge I have been given…yes people will be given a second chance…those who have been here before and have not yet heard the Gospel of Christ will be given a chance to learn and either accept his gospel or not,its only fair. those children who have died before the age of accountability or a spirit child who was aborted and denied the right to experiencing what it means to be “human” automatically go to the Celestial Kingdom to be with the Father…God has not revealed yet why things happen but they do and some and most are man made given your free agency including murder, abortion or some kind of accident..no matter how you look at it we all will die.

      Speaking of those who are called and few chosen speak of those who have been chosen to receive the Holy Priesthood.

      • Truthseeker

        I am only concerned what God the Father and Jesus Christ have written in Their Holy Word, everything else is meaningless !

        • BEEF SUPREME

          And the people shall say…

          …Amen.

    • Natsal

      Thank you for this wright. Although, it does not agree with all i’ve found, it answered some questions I’ve had. It really caused me to think over a number of things.

      Quick ? How do you know for sure the Jews today are from Benjamin and Levi?

      • Truthseeker

        Soon I will post a long (35 + pages) piece repudiating the rapture. I try to use every scripture they do, leaving them not a leg to stand on. It cover many subjects. I will be very interested in how it is received

      • Truthseeker

        This is a quick answer, but in Ezra 1:5 Cyprus King of Persia let the Jews return to rebuild the Temple. vs 5 says then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin and the Levites.

        If you go back to where God divided the 12 tribes it also tells exactly how they were divided.

        The division was Just Judah and Benjamin, but when the House of Israel replaced the Levites with morons they returned to the House of Judah.

        Paul was from Benjamin.

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