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Theoferrum,

First of all I would thank you for providing in-depth answers to my questions. The fact that you have taken the time to answer at all is opposite of my expectations and it demonstrates that at least you have pondered the depths and are willing to be questioned. The substance of the answers as provided by you is another matter entirely. Without meaning to, I have walked us into another entire field of debate; namely the legitimacy or the illegitimacy of the Church of Rome. As a man who makes it his sole purpose in life to ‘suss out the is and the ain’t’ of all these things, you will manage to gain no traction with me by attempting to argue for the authenticity of the Roman Rite. I am more than adequately satisfied that all of Rome’s claims to legitimacy are founded in fallaciousness and fabrications, and that Rome’s foundations are deeply-dug only by virtue of the fact that they rest upon the very stalactites of Hell itself. The Church of Rome is old – older even, by far, than it is purports itself to be. As an organization which claims monarchical hierarchy as its structure, it can also legitimately claim Nimrod himself as its first king. So I will brook no argument whatsoever which at its core posits the legitimacy of the Roman Rite.

You wrote:

“There exists Saints who have not seen corruption upon death. Y’shua was the only one specifically stated to be Incorruptible and, therefore, if some of the saints are manifesting this upon death it proves that they have been “partakers of the Divine nature” via the Eucharist.”

By this logic, Vladimir Lennon is a saint. Limited visible decomposition of a corpse is actually not that rare. There have been numerous reported instances of bodies being exhumed in the course of various police investigations which exhibited remarkably little evidence of decomposition. This alone explodes the validity of your last point, your assurances of the ‘church’ ruling out natural causes for this phenomenon notwithstanding.

Considerable effort and i always appreciate your input. Well put, interesting, clear and concise but Theoferrum is bound to get no further than… “Actually I did”… seeing as how he’s not fond of the truth and all.

Let it go, already!

… thussss ssssayeth Theoferrum…

… and… er… thank you i think

Theoferrum wrote:

“You did not read what I said very carefully.”

Actually I did. I just failed to communicate my response adequately enough. I shall try to do better.

“It is not a “Catholic Rite” but includes the Orthodox, Oriental and Anglican Churches which makes up anywhere from 70-90 percent of Christianity.”

This gives me the very opportunity I need for clarity: I understand and recognize the distinction you are highlighting between the Churches. But the fact remains that before any of the schisms began to fracture what was once a cohesive institution, that institution was the Universal Church of Rome.

“They all have their Apostolic Succession and have manifested this miracle.”

It is unfortunate that you so freely place your trust in a chain-of-custody which could very easily have been fabricated by wicked fraudulence. It is again unfortunate that you place your trust in a miracle (so-called) which brazenly and nakedly contradicts the Scriptures. Even King David saw corruption of his mortal remains. The suggestion that any once human entity has died and their carcass has suffered nothing of natural decomposition should be laughed out of court even before it is given the dignity of a second glance. The very suggestion is nothing more than a mouthful of spit fired directly into the face of the written Word, were such a thing actually possible.

“Your belief that the Catholic Church can be traced back to Nimrod is founded on one book only and that is Alexander Hislop’s Book the Two Babylons and his work has not been verified by any other sources.”

This is a preposterous supposition. I base my beliefs on evidence and facts. For example: I have examined the symbols with which the Roman Rite ostentatiously (and in flagrant violation of the Second Commandment) decorates itself. None of these myriad symbols are without meaning. There is an entire language of symbols which is spoken in plain view of the people of this world. We become fluent in this language when we search out the origins and the meanings of the symbols themselves, which the Occultists and the Luciferians (among and above whom the Roman Rite takes its rightful place) are only too happy to teach us if we know the correct questions to ask and the correct leads to pursue.

Everything the Roman Rite does it does for very specific reasons. Every piece of costumery the Roman Rite dons is pregnant with meaning – from the colors of the robes and the stoles, to the patterns of the laces and the fringe, to the shape of the collars and the head-coverings – all of it is overflowing with important and revealing information that can expose to us many edifying leads. The leads uncovered, if faithfully and effectively pursued, will teach us the true character of the Roman Rite and will lay bare to us both that entity’s origins as well as its true human and non-human leadership.

Alexander Hislop doesn’t even get a seat at this table. We don’t win valuable knowledge in pursuits such as these by basing our theories or our beliefs upon the work of other men. Rather, we examine and study the same source material writers like Hislop have availed themselves of throughout the course of their investigations. Their research is theirs alone. Ours is ours alone. This way, any errors made along the way do not become contagious. We would be found in gross violation of the rules of decorum for this pursuit if we based either our theories or our conclusions on as flimsy a source for evidence as that which you have suggested.

“The Cardinal Doctrines that are held dear by every Mainstream Protestant Church on the Planet, all came to you from Rome.”

You don’t imagine yourself to be engaged in a conversation with a Protestant, do you? You aren’t even addressing a Christian when you address me. There are no ‘Cardinal Doctrines’ to which I am beholden; nor is there any ‘Church’ of any kind which has a rightful claim to my fealty. There is only The Way of Messiah Yehoshua. There is The Way and there are The Roads: All roads lead to Rome. There is The Way of Messiah Yehoshua and there is The Labyrinth of The Adversary.

“What Protestants don’t realize is that when they undermine the Catholic Churches foundations, they are undermining their own.”

If you can’t see me, how do you expect to meet me on the field of debate? Take off your shades and look at me. The only church here is the one you represent.

“Prove that none of these bodies had never received communion from one of these Churches.”

A demand for proof can be an effective counter in a meaningful debate, but not when you have failed to rightly divide the word of Truth. You have failed to recognize Truth and to hear His voice. How then can you ever hope to know what ‘proof’ is and what it isn’t. Proof to you is a document sealed with the imprimatur of the Roman Rite. Why would you give your trust to such an elaborate counterfeit when your Father has specifically warned you against doing so? When you ignore our Father’s explicit instructions, the consequences tend to be far-reaching, long-lasting, and inconceivably dire.

You should throw away everything you have learned and begin again In The Beginning. And I know the way my spirit would recoil in disgust if anyone were to say those words to me. But if you even tried to salvage a small portion of your ‘knowledge’, it would contaminate any hope you might have of future progress in your pursuit of Truth. Of a mortal certainty, your progress has been arrested and you have become helplessly stuck in the mire along the Wayside. No doubt you are turbo-charged and in the fast lane, blazing along on the Super Highway to Rome. But if your aim is to pursue the Way, the Truth and the Life, then your vessel is wheels up in the ditch, belching smoke and fumes. You need a tow back to the starting line, a new set of tires, a replacement engine and a fresh tank of uncontaminated fuel. And you should probably scrape the fungus off from the windshield to help you see a little more clearly.