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Christian Theology Is Wrong About “the Beast”, the “False Prophet” & the “Two Witnesses”

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Christian theology is wrong about “the beast”, interpreting that term as referring to a particular politician; when it refers, instead, to the political system itself.

Christian theology is wrong about the “false prophet”, interpreting that term as referring to a particular religious official; when it refers, instead, to the monotheistic religious establishment in its entirety.

And Christian theology is wrong about the “two witnesses”, assuming that they are individual people, when the term has an esoteric meaning; referring, first, to what, in kundalini, is termed the “ida” and the “pingala”; the Prophecy of which was fulfilled in the 3½ days from 9 A.M. November 28, 1974 to 9:00 P.M. December 1, 1974:

http://unsealing-the-seven-seals.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-history-of-revelations-normal-0-false.html

On the other hand, specifically what the term “two witnesses” means from within the context of the Revelations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is really none of your business.

Christians haven’t listened to a word I have said for 38 years.

And, in any case, you wouldn’t believe me if I told you.

Michael



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    • ChristopherME

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    • Amminadab

      http://understanding-daniel-revelation.com/R-11.html
      The two witnesses are the Old and New Testaments.

      Every reformer has agreed the Papacy is the Antichrist.

      • Louis

        Only possessed minions of hell believe God’s Holy Vicar on earth could be the Antichrist.

        • Truthseeker

          anonymous

          How can you call another human by the Name that can only apply to GOD?
          Only God is Holy no man is Holy, the Apostles were not Holy, John the Baptist whom Christ called great was not Holy.

          Jesus Christ has full charge of His Ecclesia to this very day, He never turned over His position as head of the Church of GOD. Christ is head of ALL THINGS.

          Why would God the Father turn over His Church to gentiles? Gentiles are never called His Sheep, only the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

      • Truthseeker

        Craigevil

        The 2 witnesses are two actual men. Moses and Aaron were the two witnesses used to set the House of Israel free the first time,

        The end time two witnesses will also cry out “Set my people free” and call down plagues exactly as did Moses and Aaron. Moses and Aaron are types of the final two witnesses.

        The whole House of Israel will again be in captivity when Christ returns and He will free them.

        If you will search you will find a 2nd Exodus that will be so great as to make the first of no interest.

    • Pix

      Can’t disagree with anything you’ve said. The religions get away with it by mixing up history. Events are spun into a future context so they can claim ‘the end’ is still waiting to happen.

      If there was a real Jesus his nick name was Caesarian, the only begotten son of god the (acting) Roman emperor Julius Caesar, via the goddess and Greek Egyptian Pharaoh Cleopatra/Isis Meri.

      Back then Rome was still a republic, Julius Caesar was acting/temporary Emperor as a war chief protector of Rome. When he met Cleopatra Egypt was a mess, he was also without any sons. They had a fling she got pregnant and gave birth to his son. It is well known Cleopatra associated herself with Isis on that basis, a young unmarried women (virgin) giving birth to a son of a god. Born c30 BCE, titled ‘son of god’, ‘lamb of god’, ‘heir to the kingdom of god’, in the image of god’. On his next visit they secretly married, but it was not recognised in Rome because she was not Roman. She moved to Rome with their son to try to get some acceptance, to turn it into a huge combined dictatorship with Caesarian as the heir.

      When Caesar was assassinated Cleopatra and Caesarian fled back to Egypt, nothing happened for a few years. Then along comes Mark Antony, they fall in love, they have 3 kids. A set of twins girl boy and another boy. Mark Antony declared himself as a sort of king of Egypt, Rome attacked. Basically it all went pear shaped, they lost to Rome. Cleopatra killed herself with an asp, etc.

      The children were not killed they escaped with the help of friends, Egypt had many traders going all over the known world. That’s exactly why Egypt was so wealthy. Palestine is a likely spot to flee to from Egypt. If it was Caesarian the bit in the bible where he’s tempted in the wilderness with the offer of being ruler of the world makes a lot more sense.

      The sacrifice in his case was not so much his death, because back then if you had money you could buy your way out of almost anything, including substitutes for blood debts, life for a life debts. His sacrifice was being in the wilderness giving up his birthright kingship for the sake of the Roman republic.

      Opposing the republic at that time were a political group created sometime between 140-37 BCE, made up of wealthy influential bankers, big business owners, traders who manipulated Rome’s republic into lining their own pockets, waging wars to loot other countries and keep power away from the poor, the sick and minorities. They were the Patrician class, the Pharisees.

      Caesarion would have been a polytheistic Israelite, that being an amalgamation of their trinity, 3 gods in 1 god. OsirIS+RA+EL=ISRAEL. His supporters, the Israelites knew his heritage, that the person who claimed Rome as the first hereditary heir of Caesar was not Octavian/Augustus, but Caesarian.

      A few decades after all tales of Caesarian cease, (they think he fled to India), in 70 CE, the Pharisees manipulated Rome into wiping out the Israelites, because they knew that lineage was fake, which is what the row was all about. Emperor Titus Favius Caesar wiped them off the face of Earth, end of problem. It was dangerous to lose their godship status, the basis of their claim, they were born into it by the will of the gods.

      The Pharisees then claimed to be their victims, the Israelites. Pharisees law and policies are political they are based on the thought and belief intolerant monogodship dictatorship invented by the inbred Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep IV, c1’300 BCE. Before that rulership was joint between brother/husband sister/wife.

      Either way Jesus was not Jewish, Judaism didn’t exist until after 70 CE. It’s all about politics, who has the power and authority and of course all the wealth.

      • Pix

        Foot note; All of the above would have been taking place just before, during and just after Jesus’s life, regardless if Jesus was as per the bible, or the only historical character that fits the biblical description, Caesarion.

        The things Jesus preached and did would fit perfectly with someone giving up godship rule for the sake of a republic. Over turning the Pharisee money lending tables, telling people to pray in a closet out of sight, not showing off in public like the hypocrite Pharisees. Meet in fellowship anywhere, pull up a log or a rock. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing = unorganised, leaderless, a republic.

        Who ever he was, he was right. :wink:

        • Michael

          Just an FYI.

          It was the Sadducees who had the money lending tables since they were in charge of everything having to do with the temple.

          The Pharisees were more interested in doctrinal matters; substituting pagan metaphysical
          philosophy for the Revelations, however; as the psychopath Maimonides was to repeat several hundred years later in (blasphemy) Mishne Torah.

          Michael

        • Pix

          Michael

          ” The Sadducees are often compared to other contemporaneous sects, including the Pharisees and the Essenes. Their sect is believed to have become extinct sometime after the destruction of Herod’s Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE, but it has been speculated that the later Karaites may have had some roots or connections with old Sadducee views.”

          The Pharisees were wealthy influential bankers etc. The Patrician class. They still exist and are still meddling in politics, inventing ever more elaborate ways of conning us into being their slave cash cows. :wink:

        • Pix

          Michael

          You have that the wrong way around. The Sadducees took care of the temples, the Pharisees used the temple for their banking, with their money lending tables that Jesus overturned.

    • Amminadab

      All Agreed On Who is the Antichrist

      Up to the close of the Reformation God’s people were generally agreed that the Papacy was the Antichrist foretold in prophecy. The Waldenses taught it. (See page 122) About 1384 A.D. John Wycliffe wrote a book against the papal system entitled: “Of Antecrist and His Meynee.” In fact, the English Reformers, – Tyndale, Cranmer, Latimer, and Ridley, – all agreed in pointing to the Papacy as the Antichrist. John Huss of Bohemia, in his “De Anatomia Antichristi,” did the same. Turning to Germany we find Dr. Martin Luther strong in his convictions on this subject. He says:
      “The Pope is … the true Antichrist, of whom it is written, that he sitteth in the temple of God, among the people where Christ is worshiped…

      “But Papists want to divert this passage from themselves, and they say that Christ and Paul speak about the temple at Jerusalem, and that Antichrist shall sit there and rule; that will not do. … It cannot be understood otherwise than of the new spiritual temple, which he says we are.

      “There shall the Pope sit and he honoured, not above God, but above all that is called God. … So also we see it before our eyes, that many princes and the world regard his law higher and more than the commandments of God. … Cannot this rightly be termed exalting and honouring Antichrist above God?” – Luther’s Church Postil,” “Gospels,” 25th Sunday after Trinity, par. 24, 25, Part 2, pp. 734, 735. Stavanger, Norway: 1862.

      Luther further declares:

      “Therefore, let whosoever will doubt, God’s word and the proper divine worship convinces me sufficiently that the Pope is the Antichrist, and the ecclesiastical orders are his disciples, which deceive the whole world.” – Id., Part 1, p. 379.

      “I hope that the last day is at the door. Things could not become worse than the Roman see makes it. It suppresses the commandments of God, it exalts its own commandments above God’s. If this is not Antichrist, then some one else must tell what it is.” – “Luther’s Reformatory Works,” p. 280. Copenhagen: 1883.

      “The Pope is the real Antichrist.” – Id., p. 278.

      Dr. Charles H. H. Wright, in speaking of the Bible prophecy of “antichrist,” says: “In all ages of the Church, from the days of Gregory the Great down to the present, men have pointed to the Papacy as the fulfilment of the prophecy. That interpretation is set forth in the Homilies of the Church of England and by all the Reformed Churches. The interpretation, however, has been ignored or rejected by critics, for reasons which need not be specified. It can, however, stand all the tests of criticism.” – “Daniel and His Prophecies,” p. 168. London: 1906. (See also Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol. I, p. 561, art. “Antichrist.”)

      Additional Quotes to this chapter (All agreed on Who is the Antichrist)
      When the Bible hit the printing press, almost all the early Church fathers began to understand Bible Prophecy and in particular the one of the Antichrist. True Protestantism teaches salvation by grace through faith in Jesus (Ephesians 2:8) and the supremacy of the Bible above the visible church, (2 Timothy 3:16) above traditions, pastors, priests, popes and kings. It also teaches the priesthood of all believers (2 Peter 2:9, 10) and that all people everywhere can be saved by coming directly to our loving heavenly Father through His only Son, Jesus Christ (John 14:6). 1 Timothy 2:5 states, “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”

      The Protestant Reformation in the 1500’s literally changed the course of history. It helped move Europe out of the Dark Ages and led to the rise of true religious freedom. Its original principles eventually found expression in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America which teaches that when it comes to religion, the governments of earth have no right to control the conscience. What did the major Protestant Reformers teach about the Antichrist? Here are some more comments presented by some of the most influential Christian leaders who have ever lived and what they believed about “the little horn” (Daniel 7:8), “the beast” (Revelation 13:1), and “the man of sin” (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and about Antichrist.

      John Wesley (1703-1791) (Methodist): Speaking of the Papacy, John Wesley wrote, “He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers… He it is…that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped…claiming the highest power, and highest honour…claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone.” Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms, by John Wesley, pg. 110.

      Martin Luther (1483-1546) (Lutheran): “Luther … proved, by the revelations of Daniel and St. John, by the epistles of St. Paul, St. Peter, and St. Jude, that the reign of Antichrist, predicted and described in the Bible, was the Papacy … And all the people did say, Amen! A holy terror seized their souls. It was Antichrist whom they beheld seated on the pontifical throne. This new idea, which derived greater strength from the prophetic descriptions launched forth by Luther into the midst of his contemporaries, inflicted the most terrible blow on Rome.” Taken from J. H. Merle D’aubigne’s History of the Reformation of the Sixteen Century, book vi, chapter xii, p. 215.

      Based on prophetic studies, Martin Luther finally declared, “We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist.” (Aug. 18, 1520). Taken from The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, by LeRoy Froom. Vol. 2., pg. 121.

      John Wycliffe: “When the western church was divided for about 40 years between two rival popes, one in Rome and the other in Avigon, France, each pope called the other pope antichrist – and John Wycliffe is reputed to have regarded them as both being right: “two halves of Antichrist, making up the perfect Man of Sin between them.” – Ibid

      Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556) (Anglican): “Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons.” (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Works by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7.

      John Calvin (1509-1564) (Presbyterian): “Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt… I shall briefly show that (Paul’s words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy.” Taken from Institutes of the Christian Religion, by John Calvin.

      John Knox (1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian): John Knox sought to counteract “that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church.” As with Luther, he finally concluded that the Papacy was “the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks.” The Zurich Letters, by John Knox, pg. 199.

      Roger Williams (1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America): Pastor Williams spoke of the Pope as “the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself…speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2).” The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, by Froom, Vol. 3, pg. 52.

      The Westminster Confession of Faith (1647): “There is no other head of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition that exalteth himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God.” Taken from Philip Schaff’s, The Creeds of Christendom, With a History and Critical Notes, III, p. 658, 659, ch. 25, sec. 6.

      Cotton Mather (1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian): “The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvellously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvellous blindness upon them.” Taken from The Fall of Babylon by Cotton Mather in Froom’s book, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 3, pg. 113.

      A Great Cloud of Witnesses: “Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Cranmer; in the seventeenth century, Bunyan, the translators of the King James Bible and the men who published the Westminster and Baptist confessions of Faith; Sir Isaac Newton, Wesley, Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards; and more recently Spurgeon, Bishop J.C. Ryle and Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones; these men among countless others, all saw the office of the Papacy as the antichrist.” Taken from All Roads Lead to Rome, by Michael de Semlyen. Dorchestor House Publications, p. 205. 1991.

    • Eka

      Ha ha ha ha!!! Good one, I miss orange sunshine!!!!!

    • Hawbs

      kundalini? i looked that up. it hurt my brain to read about it, thanks. don’t you think kundalini would be against Yah’s Word? to truthseeker: anyone can be israel if they keep the torah commandments. i would include the Messiah, also. the word gentiles just means peoples, nations. Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.” that would mean grafted in. there is a verse about many anti-christs. 1 john 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” yeah, many anti-christs. i think that is provable. strong’s concordance says: antichrist: either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah. that would be many people who do this. there are 2 different beasts mentioned in revelations 13. both get their power from the dragon. the false prophet you mention is ALL?? religions that worship one god? what? i worship Yahuah and don’t have a church to go to that keeps all the commandments and the testimony of His Son. i worship one God. okay? the 2 witnesses are explained in revelations 11: “And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.” could the witnesses be Law and Grace from the Messiah? or the kingly and priestly offices that the Messiah holds? it says something about 2 olive trees and lampstand in Zechariah 4. “Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
      we will see………. someday.

    • am123

      For those who want to know the truth about the two witnesses:

      The MYSTERY OF GOD in the BOOK OF REVELATION: The Two Witnesses, the Manchild, and the Destroyer as you have never heard them spoken of before.

      /prophecy/2014/02/the-mystery-of-god-in-the-book-of-revelation-the-two-witnesses-the-manchild-and-the-destroyer-as-you-have-never-heard-them-spoken-of-before-2458894.html?currentSplittedPage=0

      • Truthseeker

        am123

        Why do you speak of truth and then post lies? the picture you use is a lie.

        I don’t think you read my last comment to your comment in my paper, but in it I said I am done you as I have come to see and understand if you are comfortable with a fake picture of a fake savior then you are comfortable with lies. You know it is not Christ! yet you post it proudly.

        Do not bother to respond I will not read anything further.

    • Michael

      Pix,

      I could go to the trouble of contradicting you again, but it would be pointless.

      You clearly have no understanding of what are referred to as the “dependent dualities”, of which the Sadducees and the Pharisees are manifestations, similar to the “king of the North” and the “king of the South” and the “beast of the sea” “self” and the “beast of the earth” ‘thinker’.

      This is complicated by the fact that there were those who were to the Right of the Sadducees in Jerusalem as well as those who were to the Left of the Pharisees in Jerusalem. These are referred to as the “Sadduceean” (rather than Sadducee) and “Essene” elements of the Dead Sea Scrolls community (something that I have researched since 1974, so it is highly unlikely that you will be able to mount an argument against what I am saying that has even a snowflake’s chance in hell of being successful).

      Michael

      • Pix

        The Pharisees were a political group, not a religion. Pharisaic word of mouth law, aka making it up as you go, and their political policies became the basis for Judaism after 70 CE.

        If you want the full historical account with every tiny faction involved, then go read a library of books on the subject, you’ll not find it in a comment box.

        Talk about expectations beyond reality, and then you have the bald faced nerve to suggest I have no understanding…. :lol:

      • Pix

        What you are suggesting in today’s terms is that one of your political parties taking over all the churches and basing the church laws on it’s own policies. The Pharisees did not look after their temples.

        • Michael

          (Sigh)

          The dependent dualities manifest in politics, in religion, in science, in psychology, and in relationships between men and women.

          What you are doing is arguing at the level of the thoughts of the ‘thinker’; demonstrating that you have no knowledge of the origin of those dualities at much deeper levels of consciousness.

          That you ‘have no understanding’ is clear from what you *say*.

          I am merely pointing out the obvious.

          It is not my intention to offend; I am pointing out an area for you to investigate in the future so as to become wiser and more knowledgeable.

          Take it or leave it.

          Michael

        • Pix

          Actually I’m an anthropology professor. I know for a fact the Pharisees did not look after the Israelite temples. They were a political party not a religion, a thought and belief intolerant political dictatorship based on a Pharaoh’s godship of total oppression. Hence the name Pharisee, Pharisaic = based on Pharaoh. Nothing to do with spirituality in any way. They used any building they could get hold of to set up their banking money lending tables, including undersubscribed temples of small sects like the Sadducees.

          If you have some evidence for your claims then by all means produce it After all your claims are not based on anything historical, you are making new claims without substantiation.

        • Pix

          I’m not disagreeing on your analogy that politics and organised religions are a duality. They are more than that, they are exactly the same things, thought and belief intolerant political dictatorships.

          A despotic money grubbing political group founded Judaism after 70 CE and Christianity via letters attributed to Roman Pharisee Saul/Paul from the 6th to 10th centuries CE.

          That’s all the religions talk about… politics, including party political broadcasts, vilifying anyone who disagrees, victimising minority groups to distract attention away from their Mammon based self serving policies. All dictatorships are identical. they all victimise minority groups, they all treat the population as their property, they all restrict knowledge, they all criminalise dissent, they all commit genocides. There is no difference.

        • Pix

          “That you ‘have no understanding’ is clear from what you *say*.” + “It is not my intention to offend; = Oxymoron. :wink:

          “(something that I have researched since 1974, so it is highly unlikely that you will be able to mount an argument against what I am saying that has even a snowflake’s chance in hell of being successful)”

          I just did. You have no evidence. :lol:

    • David Montaigne

      http://antichristobama2016.webs.com/

      There are dual meanings to almost everything in Bible prophecy.
      The two witnesses may be real people AND Mercury and Venus (almost everything is represented in the sky as well as on the earth.)

      The Antichrist entering the fiery altar of the Temple may have an evil politician in Jerusalem, and also see the Morningstar (Venus, Satan, Opposite of Christ, Anti-Christ) BEHIND (anti/opposite) the Sun (Christ, fiery altar of the Temple)

      This happens June 6, 2016. See

      http://endtimesand2019.webs.com/

      for more insight on this event and this date

    • MSG Chicken

      I went to his website and can’t make head or tails what the hell he is talking about! All this “consciousness” garbage and what not.

      Is breathing suppose to be a mystical experience?

      • Neo

        It’s interesting that the word for ‘breath’ in both the Hebrew and Greek languages also means ‘spirit’. Coincidence? Make of it what you will.

      • Neo

        I have formed my own opinion on Christian theology by actually reading the bible. Maybe you should remove the new age filter and try it sometime.

    • Amminadab

      the VISION IN Revelation 11:1-12 was describing the “OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS” as the Two Witnesses.

      http://www.remnantofgod.org/2witness.htm

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