Twisting the Bible – Part 3 – John MacArthur and the Mark of the Beast
John Little – OmegaShock.com
What I’m going to write about now plays a big part in what drives me to write almost every day. We have been set up for the coming of the Antichrist and his vile system, and it makes me ill to see it. And, we have gladly embraced this deception.
(Click HERE for Part 2) – | – (Click HERE for Part 4)
It’s understandable that we would do this. Truth is unpleasant, and obedience is difficult. And, we are ALL creatures of pride and self-indulgence. And yes, I really do place myself in those categories.
The problem is that the lies that we have embraced are destroying us. Now is the time to embrace the truth and obey God.
It is almost too late.
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Twisting the Bible – Part 3 – John MacArthur and the Mark of the Beast
On Friday, Steve Quayle posted a link to a page on Nathan Leal’s website, watchmanscry.com. It was a part of his ‘Show Notes’ for his interview on Hagmann & Hagmann. Nathan was talking about the coming ‘Mark of the Beast’, and when I got to the end of his post, I saw him say this:
Why is all of this happening? It is a demonic campaign to desensitize our culture in preparation to accept the “mark” of the beast.
And then, I dimly remembered a controversy over a pastor saying something about taking the Mark of the Beast – and still being able to go to heaven. In fact, I couldn’t quite remember his name. It was John-somebody. John… MacArthur.
The Evidence
Yes, that was it. John MacArthur.
So, I did a search for “John Macarthur” mark of the beast. In fact, that is a link to the same Google search that I did on Friday. In third place on the search results was this video:
John MacArthur OUTRAGE – Take Mark of Beast, still be saved
YouTube shortlink: http://youtu.be/yteZw7VMaRU
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I clicked the link and listened to the video. When I got to the main point, it took a moment for John MacArthur’s words to sink in – before then the shock hit:
He said WHAT?!?!
John MacArthur actually said that you can take the Mark of the Beast and not go to Hell. I was so horrified, so shocked… well, I just don’t have words to adequately express how I felt.
Proof Of Abominable Heresy
This is a true abomination.
Here is a preacher that is revered by many, openly denying the words of the Book of Revelation. Here is the relevant verse:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. – Revelation 14:11
You can parse that verse any way you like, but when you say “and whosoever” you are making an and/or statement. You are not saying that just both will go to Hell. You are saying that either one OR BOTH will go to Hell.
To put it another way, there are two conditions that will send you to Hell:
- worship the beast and his image
- receiving the mark of his name
Just ONE or BOTH of those will send you to eternal punishment.
THAT is the syntax of this verse in English. It’s even stronger in Greek:
καὶ εἴ τις λαμβάνει τὸ χάραγμα τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ.
Transliterated, it says:
…and if anyone receives the mark of the name of it.
If you want to look at it for yourself, the link is here:
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/14-11.htm
For a reverse view, notice in Revelation 20:4-5 that NO ONE who stands before the Lord in the First Resurrection has taken the Mark of the Beast. I quote this verse later on in the article, but you can click the link if you can’t wait.
John MacArthur In Text
For those who want the text of this abomination that John MacArthur said in the video, you can find it here:
https://www.gty.org/resources/Print/Sermons/1301-I
Here’s the relevant question and John’s answer (about a third of the way down the page):
QUESTIONER: Oh, my question is in regard to the latter half of the Tribulation period, when…when men will be required to have the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell. My question is once the person takes the mark, is there possibility of Him coming to Christ?
JOHN: Yes, I think, you know, in the seven-year Tribulation coming in the future, we’re gonna get into this, so probably a week from Sunday night, maybe this Sunday night, maybe a week, I’m not sure. But the Tribulation is a seven-year period, right? The Rapture of the church, seven-year Tribulation, then Christ returns, sets up His Kingdom. Now, in that seven-year period, really two things happen. God begins to judge the world in…with a series of holocausts; and, at the same time, He begins to redeem His people Israel; and in the process of this, the antichrist establishes his rule; and in order to function in the economy of the antichrist, you have to take the mark of the beast. The mark being the number of a man, Revelation 13, 666. Six is the number of man, right? Seven is the number of perfection, and man always falls short of perfection, 666, always sixes, never seven. So the number man, and apparently what’s gonna happen, you take the mark on your hand or on your forehead; and we’ve talked a lot about that, you know, that…that that’s kind of the computer situation. We’re now moving fast toward the time when we’re going to have to do everything we do by cards and by numbers and all of that, and those number…the thing about a card that’s a problem is you lose it, and they’ve already devised systems to put the number on your hand and on your forehead, and you go through a scanner and, you know, that’s how you buy and sell. It’s automatically deducted from your bank account.
Now, the question is, if you’re living in the Tribulation period, and you take this mark, in other words, you identify with the beast’s empire, will you still be able to be redeemed? And I think the answer to that is yes. Yes, otherwise there would be no salvation of anybody in the end of the Tribulation; and you’ve got to have the salvation of folks in the end of the Tribulation. You’re gonna have the Jews redeemed. You’re gonna have, according to Revelation chapter 7, “An innumerable number of Gentiles redeemed, so many they can’t even be counted across the face of the earth.” So I don’t think the fact that someone takes that is a sentence to…to permanency anymore than you being a part of this world system once in your life means you have to be a part of the system all your life. Well, especially when 144,000 don’t start their ministry till the second half.
QUESTIONER: Yeah, that’s true, yeah.
JOHN: That’d make it a little tough.
Now, in case you are wondering whether John MacArthur has backtracked on the above, think again. Here’s a member of his staff, Phil Johnson, doubling down on it:
http://www.gty.org/Blog/B131030
My answer to this foolish article is that yes, God COULD forgive the sin of taking the Mark of the Beast. God COULD do that.
But, He’s not going to.
Please get this right. God CAN forgive this sin. He really can. But, He’s not going to. It’s His choice, and He’s warning us ahead of time that this is a line that you had better not cross.
Why John MacArthur Believes This
Now, why does John MacArthur preach AGAINST the words of Revelation 14:11?
He doesn’t have a choice.
Wait… He doesn’t have a choice?
Yeah. He’s stuck with this position because it is dictated by a fraudulent theory that he passionately believes in:
The Pretribulation Rapture Theory
If he had said something else, like ‘you cannot go to heaven if you take the Mark of the Beast’, he would have had to tear up the Pretribulation Rapture Theory AND Dispensationalism. In fact, he’d have to tear up decades of false teaching, and he’s NOT going to do that.
The Pretribulation Rapture Theory Requires It
Now, I see that you have a question, so I’ll ask it for you:
Why does the Pretribulation Rapture Theory require people to take the Mark of the Beast before getting saved?
Well, MacArthur DOES know what the Bible says, and here is the key point:
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: – Revelation 13:16
That means that The Beast makes everyone take the Mark of the Beast. Everyone. (Well… except for those who are already saved.) And, since he believes that the Rapture took away all the saved people… well, all that’s left are those who will take the Mark of the Beast.
With me so far?
So, according to the Pretribulation Rapture THEORY, since everyone takes the mark of the Beast…
…this means that everyone saved during the Tribulation has ALREADY taken the Mark of the Beast.
John MacArthur acknowledged this when he said:
Now, the question is, if you’re living in the Tribulation period, and you take this mark, in other words, you identify with the beast’s empire, will you still be able to be redeemed? And I think the answer to that is yes. Yes, otherwise there would be no salvation of anybody in the end of the Tribulation; and you’ve got to have the salvation of folks in the end of the Tribulation.
It’s logic. And, I understand that.
Two HUGE Problems
But, wait… Houston, we have a problem… There’s this verse:
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. – Revelation 16:2
And then, there’s this verse (which I linked to earlier):
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. – Revelation 20:4-5
You CANNOT fit those verses in with John MacArthur’s interpretation of Revelation.
Why?
Because, the wrath of God would be poured out on those who are saved, because all the saved people would ALSO have the mark. But, the second verse that I quoted condemns John even more.
Revelation 20:4-5 is describing the first resurrection, and not a single one of the people in the first resurrection has the Mark of the Beast on him/her.
NOT. A. SINGLE. ONE.
Not a single person who stands before the Lord in the First Resurrection will have EVER received the Mark of the Beast. PERIOD.
Pastor David Lankford
I could go on and on about this, but I think that Pastor David Lankford says it best:
YOU CAN TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST & STILL BE SAVED? DAVID LANKFORD.
YouTube shortlink: http://youtu.be/fPovYFH8HOM
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You can find more of Pastor Lankford’s work on his website:
http://www.thevoiceofevangelism.com/
MacArthur Chooses Poorly
This Pretribulation Rapture Theory has put John MacArthur in a difficult position. He’s stuck between this fraudulent theory of the Rapture…
…and the Bible.
What did he choose?
Well, he chose the theory.
Does this sound like a teacher that you should be following?
Not to me.
Now, there’s another dimension to this. It’s bad enough that John MacArthur is preaching abominable heresy. It’s bad enough that Brannon Howse and Jimmy DeYoung are doing the same in the first video that I showed you. There’s one more bit of corruption to add.
Brannon Howse Threatens To Sue Chris White
Chris White was the one to put that video together for us. He runs a website called:
And, he does excellent research. He’s really a top-notch guy who escaped the US and moved to Costa Rica. His discussion of The Blood Moons is excellent.
Such clear thinking is wonderful to hear.
Well, when Chris White posted his excerpt of that conversation between Brannon Howse and Jimmy DeYoung – the one that played John MacArthur’s point about the Mark of the Beast… When Christ White did that…
Brannon Howse threatened to sue Chris White!
Here’s a link to the video describing what happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O10IFRy9qZg
That is sick. Brannon Howse, you should be ashamed of yourself!
It’s just another example of how low some will go to protect a fraudulent theory.
However, I’m not done yet. We’ve got more Bible twisting to talk about tomorrow.
See you then.
(That’s a link. Do more than just think about it.)
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Whistler Blowers, Insiders
Had I known you would be posting all these rapidly, I’d have waited to comment until now. Here is what I posted after your Part 2:
I read your part 3 where you rightly criticize John MacArthur. But your claims against the pre-trib Rapture are built upon false premises. Forget MacArthur and his numerous false teachings; PTR is not defined by him… or by you.
I posted a comment there but it hasn’t appeared yet, so I’ll post it here too:
You said, “So, according to the Pretribulation Rapture THEORY, since everyone takes the mark of the Beast…
…this means that everyone saved during the Tribulation has ALREADY taken the Mark of the Beast.”
This may be what MacArthur believes, but it is NOT required by the pre-trib Rapture. He is falsely representing it. The truth is that many people will be saved during the Trib. after the church is gone, and they will be martyred for not worshiping the Beast or taking the Mark. A small percentage will not be martyred, and will be the ones to repopulate the world during the Millennium. These same people are the “sheep” of the “sheep and goats” judgment Jesus talked about. The ones who treated the Jews kindly will be spared, but the ones who only did their acts of charity to non-Jews will not. This is all post-Rapture.
All who are part of the church are saints, but not all who are called saints are part of the church. There were saints before the church age, and there will be saints after it.
Here is my article refuting slander against the pre-trib Rapture: http://www.fether.net/index.php?page=refuting-slander-against-the-pre-trib-rapture/
I have a PTR article here, and I’ve been in several long threads about it as well. I’ve heard every ridiculous claim against PTR, and even after reading your so-called irrefutable article against PTR I see no proof against it, since all the claims are lies or fallacies. No need to repeat your argument here, as I’ve seen it all. But I’m sure you haven’t read my articles or heard what PTR actually teaches. The vast majority of PTR teachers are horrified that MacArthur said people could take the mark of the beast and still be saved, because it is NOT required by the teaching.
Hi HumanBeing,
I’m glad that you disagree with John MacArthur, however that doesn’t change the inherent problems with the Pretribulation Rapture Theory, or PTRT.
I have yet to find ANYONE who can refute what I said in this article:
http://www.omegashock.com/2014/04/28/prophecy-clock-the-rapture/
And, that’s just three points, and no one has stepped up to the challenge. I find that interesting.
For those who are interested, the above link is a part of a series that can be found here:
http://www.omegashock.com/2014/04/26/weekend-shockcast-the-2000-year-war/
http://www.omegashock.com/2014/05/03/weekend-shockcast-prophecy-clock-and-timeline/
Please, you must STOP using this PTR THEORY to keep you from preparing for disaster. I’ve proven that it isn’t Biblical, but it doesn’t seem to matter to people.
Very strange.
Yours in Christ,
John Little
omegashock.com
See my reply to the same in the other thread (part 2). PTR does not have anything to do with whether a Christian is prepared to suffer or die for Christ. That is a quality that every believer of every generation should be prepared for. And anyone who relies on their own strength and preparation instead of the Spirit is headed for a fall. Rely on the Spirit and you will be able to face whatever God allows you to face. And as I pointed out in the other thread, not one Christian in all of these centuries has had to face the wrath of God, so why do you think you’re so special, that you should be tested beyond what even the apostles were?
Again, you indicate that you CANNOT refute just the three arguments against the pretribulation rapture that I gave, so I’ll make it easy for you. I’ll just give you one:
Before 2 Thessalonians, there was a 1 Thessalonians. Obviously, the church at Thessalonica was very interested in the Rapture. Pauls says this in chapter 4:
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. – 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
(See also: 1st Corinthians 15:51-53)
How many resurrections are there?
Just two and only two – the resurrection of the just and the resurrection of the unjust. (John 5:29, Revelation 20, etc.) And, they are a thousand years apart.
So, the Antichrist and the resurrection of ‘the just’ must happen before the Rapture. And no, there is no other way to interpret these verses. None.
Can you answer that, HumanBeing?
I doubt that you can – unless you are prepared to twist the Bible and take it out of context.
Yours in Christ,
John Little
omegashock.com
I read the first paragraph of your comment just now and stopped, because:
1. You ignored my arguments that refute yours
2. You have NO intention to listen.
3. You don’t listen because you think yourself infallible.
I just finished a long battle with another person like you here at BIN, and he had the same lousy attitude. As long as you show that you have no intention to listen, since you’ve ignored what I’ve already told you, there is no reason to cut you any slack. I spoke up to dispel the lies being spread about PTR, not to beat my head against another brick wall.
I know the NT. I have gone over every single Greek word: the parsing, the semantic range, the figures of speech, and all the layers of context. So don’t patronize me with your attitude.
Now tell me, mister infallible, what part of “we who are alive” is a resurrection from the dead? We go in the twinkling of an eye from mortal to immortal; where is the “resurrection” for those people?
Can you answer that, Mr. Infallible? I doubt that you can– unless you are prepared to twist the Bible and take it out of context.
And for you to sign off on your mocking, condesending diatribe with “Yours in Christ” is the height of arrogance. You are NOTHING like Christ with your Pharisaical attitude.
Go on, try and claim that the living being instantly transformed is a “resurrection”. I dare you.
And here, read this, if you dare: http://books.fether.net/index.php?theBook=BPFF&theChap=1
Now until you drop your Pharisaical attitude, and unless you admit that you can be wrong, this isn’t going anywhere and all you will have done is push me as far from whatever you believe as possible. Some method you have of showing compassion for those you think are led astray! Is that how you “witness” too? How’s that working?
I’ll leave you with this, try to read the whole thing. It’s about how people hate the PTR and anyone who believes it.
http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2014/02/christians-sowing-discord-and-hate_10.html
It’s this HATRED and pride in self and overcoming that stands out as the hallmark of all who disagree with PTR. Nobody will hear what you have to say if you begin with mockery and dare them to try to talk to you. If you can’t exhibit the fruit of the Spirit, your arguments are worthless. Start with Jesus; if you lose track of Him in your quest to bash and beat your fellow servants, you are far less “prepared” than you think you are.
To any and all who oppose PTR, make sure you start with Jesus. Remember that God has been gentle and patient with you, so if you will not pass on that treatment to others, you are like the wicked servant who refused to forgive someone who owed him a small amount. Think about your motivation. Are you trying to help people, or are you trying to win a boxing match?
Amazing. I give you ONE VERSE, and you cannot answer it. JUST ONE.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You mean the “one verse” I refuted soundly in my linked document? That verse?
Prove to me that you even have read anything I’ve linked to.
But first: prove to me that you have any clue what the fruit of the Spirit is.
Oh’ so well said HB I could not have said it better.
Anti-PTR is ANti Blessed Hope and goes against what GOD has simply shown us in Revelations alone.
Chosen bride not under the Wrath of God. ……NO Church(es) after 3 rd chapter
The LIVING changed in an instant , a resurrection ??…..is CLEARLY NOT a resurrection. Wow
Miss understanding that the restrainer is removed before the son of perdition reveled…. Huh
Well 3 strikes your OUT.
HB wrote ” As long as you show that you have no intention to listen, since you’ve ignored what I’ve already told you, there is no reason to cut you any slack. I spoke up to dispel the lies being spread about PTR, not to beat my head against another brick wall”.
Yep must be 123
Thanks, CT.
As we both know, no other prophecy viewpoint is so hated and slandered as PTR. The people spreading the slander have the same arrogant and judgmental spirit I’ve seen regarding several other topics, but this is the only Biblical topic where Christians join ranks with unbelievers in mockery. Unlike them, I don’t attribute this attitude to Satan, since people seem to do wicked things all on their own. But lost rewards for such behavior toward fellow believers is going to be a nasty surprise for them at the judgment seat of Christ. I had hoped that perhaps we could persuade such people to repent in time to receive the “crown of righteousness”, but I think that would require a miracle.
Some “bride” the church has become! She not only isn’t looking for her Groom, she throws rocks at anyone who does.
So yeah, no point in giving this new hater the time of day, seeing that the same attitude of mockery and judgment is evident. Let them go on spreading lies; our conscience is clear.
“Some “bride” the church has become! She not only isn’t looking for her Groom, she throws rocks at anyone who does.”
That is so true a sad indictment indeed and hey that reminds me
Who on Earth would pick a bride let her be bashed up by one and all and then say, come we shall have dinner and get married and become my WIFE …NO ONE
and you and I know… neither does GOD.
Yep. This guy can only chant, “Refute my verse! Refute my verse! Ha ha ha ha ha!”, like a jealous bridesmaid who has spurned her own Groom and hates anyone who doesn’t. Instead of dressing for the wedding, he dresses for battle. Won’t he be one of those people who is thrown out for not wearing wedding clothes? Only God can judge, but this guy isn’t behaving like a part of the Bride and, to use his own words, he should be ashamed of himself. There is no scent of the Spirit that I can detect, no love for people he clearly treats as lost, no compassion for those he clearly considers deluded.
Yeah, Jesus has to put his Bride through boot camp before the wedding, in spite of the fact that HE WENT THROUGH IT FOR HER, and she has already been tested for thousands of years. What a sick, twisted religion it is that thinks Jesus would do such a thing! The hatred of salvation through faith alone is palpable.
CT wrote:
“NO Church(es) after 3 rd chapter”
Not true. Members of the church are mentioned throughout the Book of Revelation. Here are but a couple of examples: those in white robes in REV 6:9-11, 7:9-14.
The pre-trib rapture theory is the biggest deception within the church today.
If you are a novice Christian, do not fall for the trap of a pre-tribulation rapture. While all hell is literally about to break loose, the trap is thinking you will have an easy way out of it. It is in Satan’s interest to have you fall for this trap. Thinking that Jesus will rapture you out of here before all hell breaks loose will only make you cannon fodder for the Devil and his forces when all hell does break loose. Is the so-called Church ready for martyrdom today? No they are not. They are not ready to stand in their faith against the ravages of the beast. Do not be misled by what someone says the Bible says. Read the Bible for yourself. Read the 24th chapter of Matthew and you’ll see that Jesus comes for the Church after the tribulation period. Read the Book of Revelation and you’ll see that Jesus calls us to a patient and enduring faith during the time of the antichrist. We are entering the time period the Bible warned us about, the time the world of the dead will open its mouth wide for. The body of Christ should be in boot camp bracing and strengthening themselves in the LORD, preparing for all-out war, the war of all wars. But instead, many in the church are ill prepared for what will soon envelop the whole world because of this false hope of being raptured out of here before the tribulation period. Because of this false hope, many will be sitting ducks for the enemy to take out and they will fall pitifully short in their destinies, to what God has called them to.
If you have been misled by the pre-tribulation rapture, I bid you now to cut out this nonsense of thinking you won’t be here and run, not walk, but run for cover in the shadow of His wings (see Psalm 91) if you expect to endure until the end, whether the end for you is martyrdom or the Second Coming, which occurs at the end of this age at the 7th trumpet.
For the truth on the rapture, see:
/alternative/2013/02/rapture-alert-millions-of-christians-have-been-deceived-2561260.html
Jesus was extremely adamant about warning us not to be deceived in the end times (the times in which we live):
“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.”
—Matthew 24:4
“For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”
—Matthew 24:5
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”
—Matthew 24:11
“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
—Matthew 24:24
Jesus was talking to the final generation, the one that sees His return.
We know from the Scriptures that the antichrist will come with his great magic to deceive people. We also know that anyone who is deceived and receives the mark of the beast will suffer the full wrath of God and will end up in the lake of fire. So it is vital not to be deceived. Hence, we get repeated warnings from Jesus and the Apostles to not allow ourselves to be deceived.
So I ask this of those Christians truly seeking truth:
If Jesus is going to rapture the Church out of here before the antichrist comes upon the scene, why then did He warn us so adamantly about being deceived? If Christians aren’t going to be around for the great deception there would be no reason to warn them so adamantly about it.
The truth of the matter is this: Jesus warned us because we WILL be here during the time of the beast, for Jesus prayed this to the Father:
“I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.”
—John 17:15
The truth is our faith must be strong. We must be able to stand against the wiles of the Devil and his cohorts. It is only by the precious blood of Jesus and the words of our testimony that gives us victory over the Devil.
If your faith is not firm, you will not be able to stand until the end. And only those who endure until the end are saved:
“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
—Matthew 24:13
Therefore it is imperative that you study the Scriptures for yourself. Read, pray, and meditate upon the Scriptures. Search the Scriptures diligently and do not rely on what others say.
It would do Christians of today well to consider what Isaac Newton said concerning the importance of Christians knowing the end time prophecies. Newton drew a parallel between how the learned Jews missed the first coming of the Messiah because they were deceived and how it will be no less possible for Christians to be deceived by the antichrist. Newton said if God was angry with the Jews for not searching more diligently into the prophecies which He had given them to know Christ by, why should we think He will excuse us for not searching into the prophecies which He has given us to know the antichrist by, for surely it must be as easy for Christians to be deceived by the antichrist as it was for the Jews to reject Christ, Newton postulated, saying it is as much our duty to endeavor to be able to know the antichrist and avoid him as it was the duty of the Jews to know Christ and to follow Him.
The study of eschatology should be no small matter to Christians today. But sadly, many Christians today are indifferent and apathetic to eschatology because of this false belief that they won’t be here when all hell literally breaks loose, and so they are severely ill-prepared for what is about to happen and therefore in grave danger.
The pre-trib rapture theory serves Satan’s purposes greatly. The many warnings of Jesus have fallen on millions of deaf ears because they don’t believe they will be here. And thanks in large part to the likes of Hal Lindsey and others who have lead millions astray, many are woefully unprepared for what is coming.
The antichrist is coming to deceive who he can and to consume who he can. Woe unto those who are not ready.
ONE OF MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH INVALIDATE THE THEORY OF THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
—2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
In verse 2, the “day of Christ” is the antecedent of “that day” in verse 3—meaning the “day of Christ” is the day Paul is referring to when he says “that day”.
In verse 1, the “gathering together” is the antecedent of the “day of Christ” in verse 2—meaning the “gathering together”, or rapture, is what Paul is referring when he says the “day of Christ”.
So putting it all together, Paul says in verse 3 to not let anyone deceive you, for “that day”—the “day of Christ”, when we are gathered together with Him, or the rapture—will not come, except there is a falling away and the antichrist is revealed first.
So the order Paul presents is there is a falling away and the antichrist come first, and then the rapture occurs after that. And that ladies and gentlemen, is the reverse order that is the pre-tribulation rapture theory presents.
Paul says:
The antichrist comes first and then the rapture occurs after that.
Pre-tribbers say:
The rapture comes first and then the antichrist comes after that.
You wrote “You’re still not addressing the first 3 verses’ ….” I see”.
Yes I did’ you DON”T SEE anything important,and you won’t accept ! ? as v6 supersedes v3 “as it is written”
v3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition
v6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.8 And THEN the lawless one will be revealed.
as it is written v8 AND THEN ……”WHEN” THEN !!… he WILL BE REVEALED.
this flows yours is a 3 card trick on PTR …..viewers beware he’s set a trap if you answer him.
Furthermore ….YOU ALSO… DON’T SEE
The church(es) missing whereabouts during “Jacobs Trouble”
The Elders as relevant
The redeemed around the throne…. out of every Nation
The rapture…. until the END , I thought we where to judge
The crowned ones
The OPEN door in Heaven
The DOOR NEVER OPENS AGAIN…..the 10 Virgin parable during Jacobs trouble.
The Wife (recognize the change)
The saying Y’shua said to John , He (John) will tarry till I COME. when did he come for Him ?
I’m only just getting started I have so much more that you won’t be able to SEE, so I’m restraining myself, as you have been found wanting and won’t accept… “as it is written”
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2 Peter 3. AND he’s taking about…The Day of the Lord.
This is YOU.
and anyone who thinks SATAN has been holding himself (SATAN) back, as the restrainer as you mentioned… is totally Deluded
Good try 123
You’ve had the answer to this in many ways,They are tribulation saints : around we go in circles with you, No-one answered your PROOF POST ! as they’re all fed up with your nonsense.
This has gone on long enough.
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“NO Church(es) after 3 rd chapter”
Not true. Members of the church are mentioned throughout the Book of Revelation. Here are but a couple of examples: those in white robes in REV 6:9-11, 7:9-14.
This sure set the cat amongst the pigeons
Your not GOD, AM123 even if you believe you are with that Picture.
You wrote “You’re still not addressing the first 3 verses’ ….” I see”.
Yes I did’ you DON”T SEE anything important,and you won’t accept ! ? as v6 supersedes v3 “as it is written”
v3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition
v6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.8 And THEN the lawless one will be revealed.
as it is written v8 AND THEN ……”WHEN” THEN !!… he WILL BE REVEALED.
this flows yours is a 3 card trick on PTR …..viewers beware he’s set a trap if you answer him.
Furthermore ….YOU ALSO… DON’T SEE
The church(es) missing whereabouts during “Jacobs Trouble”
The Elders as relevant
The redeemed around the throne…. out of every Nation
The rapture…. until the END , I thought we where to judge
The crowned ones
The OPEN door in Heaven
The DOOR NEVER OPENS AGAIN…..the 10 Virgin parable during Jacobs trouble.
The Wife (recognize the change)
The saying Y’shua said to John , He (John) will tarry till I COME. when did he come for Him ?
I’m only just getting started I have so much more that you won’t be able to SEE, so I’m restraining myself, as you have been found wanting and won’t accept… “as it is written”
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2 Peter 3. AND he’s taking about…The Day of the Lord.
This is YOU.
and anyone who thinks SATAN has been holding himself (SATAN) back, as the restrainer as you mentioned… is totally Deluded
CT,
You’re spamming this thread with a post from another thread, and you posted it twice!
Why are you so discombobulated?
Can’t you make your argument in a reasoned manner and with logic instead of going off the rails?
For anyone scratching their heads
trying to make sense of CT’s posts here, a little background is in order.
I asked CT in another article to parse the first 3 verses, particularly verse 3, of the 2nd chapter of 2nd Thessalonians with regards to his pre-tribulation rapture viewpoint. For convenience, here are the verses in question:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
—2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
In CT’s rambling response above, his response was:
“Yes I did’ you DON”T SEE anything important,and you won’t accept ! ? as v6 supersedes v3 “as it is written””
Really CT, verse 6 supersedes verse 3?
Some Bible verses supersede others?
So did you cross out verse 3 in your Bible?
No, verses don’t supersede other verses CT. Verses 3 and 6 in 2nd Thessalonians 2 are mutually exclusive.
I understand why you will not address verse 3 above—because it would expose your error. Here is why:
The claim of pre-tribbers is the “falling away” in verse 3 refers to the rapture, because the falling away occurs before the antichrist is revealed. But in examining what Paul says, he is not referring to the “falling away” in verse 3 as the rapture, he is referring to “that day” as the rapture because “that day” in verse 3 refers to the “day of Christ” in verse 2, which refers to the “gathering together” (or the rapture) in verse 1.
You wrote” you posted it twice!”
You hypocrite ! you copy and paste you POISONOUS personal Interpretations & theories from your profile STORIES as that’s what they are “STORIES” according to, god am 1 23, as IF it was from the epistles. lol
Look at your post above is this not TWICE here alone.!!!
You then spread them on every thread, regurgitating many times over and over, showing your lack of understanding and spiritual discernment.
who’s doing ALL the accusing who is doing ALL the spamming
YOU
“post from another thread”
You posted your 3 verse card trick here again, so I will post my reply HERE also
… god am 1 23
I said repeatedly you would not accept it in context “as it is written” which is being coherent !!
You have made yourself god as yo will not accept “as it is written” by the WORD OF GOD.
You wrote “So did you cross out verse 3 in your Bible?”
You’ve been answered succinctly over and over AS IT IS WRITTEN. in this thread.
NO NEED for All YOUR OWN, POISONOUS, personal explanation of what YOU think this means.
Now lets see what you… crossed out TAKEN AWAY !!! lol
ALL the points I have mentioned in my previous post.
“I understand why”
So you can return to your 3 verses card trick 
You also TAKEN AWAY..
The fact that the Bible is full of testimony regarding WATCHING, LOOKING FOR and waiting on Gods imminent return as a thief in the night
ALL that pertains to the unexpected return of the Lord. (10 Virgin parable)
The Blessed Hope.
Hebrews 9:28
TO THOSE (only) who persistently and patiently wait for him he will appear the second time
“who persistently and patiently wait for him.”
Revelation 3:9 because you have a little power, and have kept My word,
Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Revelation 22:18-19
And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy
And the worst thing is you are “TAKING AWAY” the :blessed Hope: from those who as you belligerently call them .. novices………… being the great.. god am 123 you are.
For you say to them “where” “where is this coming” !!! if you will not watch you will be given a potion with the unbelievers . (10 Virgins parable) imho
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Gods Word MUST be accepted AS IT IS WRITTEN. or it will be TAKEN AWAY from YOU.
PUT yourself in the Tribulation 123… as you wish
BUT don’t try to stop others who believe GODS WORD … as it is written.
enuff said
The Classical Greek word charagma (χάραγμα), translated as mark (of the beast) in Revelation 13:16 also means stamped money, coin or the impress on the coin.
How many of you are worshiping Mamon? All of you? The great American dream of capitalism that boils down to debt/wage slavery
When you talk about about ‘beasts’ I think ‘organised religion’. I can’t think of any other groups who are so barbaric as to torture and murder people over unsubstantiated belief. There was no choice involved, they all started life as state enforced thought and belief intolerant dictatorships, and given half a chance would be back to murdering people for disagreeing in a flash.
The Christians have been marking themselves on their foreheads with their right hands for centuries. For hundreds of years if you did not publically mark yourself in such a way you would have been denied an education (apprenticeship), a career of any kind, from publishing literature of any kind, from trading in any way. If you were openly not a Christian or even ‘their’ sort of Christian they would have thrown you into a dungeon, confiscated all your property and wealth, tortured until you confessed to being evil, followed by a public execution of burning you alive.
Nice people? or beasts?