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The Khazars in Prophecy by Dr. SE Jones

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The Khazars in Prophecy    Date: 01/01/2015   Issue No. 318

Published by Dr. Stephen E. Jones – God’s Kingdom Ministries

NOTE:  This article was copied from the following website:  http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/ffi-newsletter/ffi-2015/01012015-the-khazars-in-prophecy/

I (Ephraim) did not add or take away any part of it.  It is presented strictly for the reader to gain understanding and insight.

On March 18, 2014, in the wake of the Ukraine crisis and the Crimean vote to rejoin Russia, The Times of Israel published a parody on its opinion page based on the fact that most Israeli people—mostly from Eastern Europe—are descended from the Khazars, rather than from Abraham.

The basic facts, of course, were correct. The parody was in their use of the facts, reporting Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to be interested in “reverse Zionism,” that is, resettling Jews in the Ukraine and Crimea, parts of which formed their original homeland of Khazaria.

There have been many individuals over the centuries who have converted to Judaism. There are millions of Falashi Jews who are black-skinned. There are Chinese Jews and Japanese Jews, as well as others who are of various shades of color. But the most important are the Khazar Jews, whose ancestors converted to Judaism about 640 A.D. These alone form about 85-95% of today’s Jews.

Of course, the Jews have engaged in a long-running dispute whether they are a race or a religion. Those who believe in a “Jewish race” find themselves undone by the Khazar conversion to Judaism, since the Khazars were not descendants of Israel or Judah at all.

Others, who understand that many Jews are descendants of converts from other ethnicities and races, have a more plausible argument that Jewish identity is religious, not racial. However, since most Christians are unaware of the multi-racial complexion of those claiming Jewish identity, they continue to believe (as I was raised to believe) that the Jews are the purest race on earth.

The Times article says, “In 2012, Israeli researcher, Eran Elhaik published a study claiming to prove that Khazar ancestry is the single largest element in the Ashkenazi gene pool.” Eran Elhaik is a geneticist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. His DNA studies show that the vast majority of the world’s Jews—those from Eastern Europe—did not originate in Palestine, nor were they genetically descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but were converts to Judaism around 640 A.D.

The Rhineland Hypothesis

In previous years the origins of Eastern European Jewry were theorized as a 7th century migration of Jews from Palestine after the Muslim conquered that territory. It was called the Rhineland Hypothesis.

The Rhineland Hypothesis has been the favoured explanation for the origins of present-day European Jews, until now. In this scenario Jews descended from Israelite-Canaanite tribes left the Holy Land for Europe in the 7th century, following the Muslim conquest of Palestine. Then, in the beginning of the 15th century, a group of approximately 50,000 left Germany, the Rhineland, for the east. There they maintained high endogamy, and despite wars, persecution, disease, plagues, and economic hardships, their population expanded rapidly to around 8 million in the 20th century. Due to the implausibility of such an event, this rapid expansion was explained by Prof Harry Ostrer, Dr Gil Atzmon, and colleagues as a miracle. Under the Rhineland Hypothesis, European Jews would be very similar to each other and would have a predominant Middle Eastern ancestry….

Elhaik’s findings strongly support the Khazarian Hypothesis, as opposed to the Rhineland Hypothesis, of European Jewish origins.  http://phys.org/news/2013-01-european-jewish-population.html

The Old Covenant Factor

Having known about the Khazar conversion since the 1970’s, I have since that time maintained that the Jews are more of a religion than a race. In fact, biblical evidence shows that many non-ethnic Israelites became part of Israel even from the beginning. Further, Isaiah 56:5-8 declares plainly that foreigners were allowed to worship God at the temple and even to come into the same covenant relation-ship with God.

However, today there are secular Jews who claim no religion at all, and many are even atheists, but yet they are accepted in the nation of “Israel” as Jewish citizens. So Jews are accepted today regardless of genealogy or religion.

In my view, the most important factor is that Judaism retains hope in the Old Covenant, not understanding that it became obsolete after it was broken (Heb. 8:13). Hence, when the Khazars accepted Judaism, they attached themselves to a covenant that could not save them, nor did it put them into a valid covenant relationship with the God of the Bible.

The only way to enjoy a valid covenant relationship with God is by the New Covenant, which requires that people place their faith in the Mediator of that covenant—Jesus. This is not a matter of race or genealogy, for even ethnic Israelites cannot claim a covenant relationship with God apart from placing their faith in Jesus Christ.

DNA Science Proves Ashenazi Jews are Khazars

The Jewish Encyclopedia tells how the Khazars, a Turkish-Mongolian nation, converted to Judaism about 740-800 A.D. Many Jews scoffed at the idea, even after Jewish author, Arthur Koestler, drew attention to this portion of Jewish history in his 1976 book, The Thirteenth Tribe. But then in 2012, using the new gene science, the DNA results came in, proving that Koestler was right after all. The Times of Israel reported this in its parody:

Most recently, left-wing Israeli historian Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People took Koestler’s thesis in a direction he had not intended, arguing that because Jews were a religious community descended from converts they do not constitute a nation or need a state of their own. Scientists, however, dismissed the Khazar hypothesis because the genetic evidence did not add up. Until now. In 2012, Israeli researcher Eran Elhaik published a study claiming to prove that Khazar ancestry is the single largest element in the Ashkenazi gene pool. Sand declared himself vindicated, and progressive organs such as Haaretz  and The Forward trumpeted the results. http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leaked-report-israel-acknowledges-jews-in-fact-khazars-secret-plan-for-reverse-migration-to-ukraine/

So far so good. Shlomo Sand is a professor of history at the University of Tel Aviv, and he did indeed write a book about this. The title of his book is more accurately titled, When and How Was the Jewish People Invented? The vindication of Shlomo Sand’s view is true. But the Times then begins its parody by saying

Israel seems finally to have thrown in the towel. A blue-ribbon team of scholars from leading research institutions and museums has just issued a secret report to the government, acknowledging that European Jews are in fact Khazars.

All Jews who wish to return would be welcomed back without condition as citizens, the more so if they take part in the promised infusion of massive Israeli military assistance, including troops, equipment, and construction of new bases. If the initial transfer works, other West Bank settlers would be encouraged to relocate to Ukraine, as well. After Ukraine, bolstered by this support, reestablishes control over all its territory, the current Autonomous Republic of Crimea would once again become an autonomous Jewish domain. The small-scale successor to the medieval empire of Khazaria (as the peninsula, too, was once known) would be called, in Yiddish, Chazerai [which means “trash”].

Prime Minister Netanyahu is supposedly interested in a reverse immigration policy. It is a plan for the Khazars to retake their old homeland—the Ukraine, and particularly the Crimea!

Although it is certain that Jews would never adopt a Reverse Zionism vision, the parody seems to suggest that the Jewish settlements on Palestinian land could be resolved by resettling them in the Crimea. Since those settlers are fanatical about reclaiming their homeland, then let them move to Crimea—their real homeland!

While the Khazar conversion may be well known in Jewish circles, it is certainly not well known in Christian circles. Such knowledge would discredit Christian Zionism’s main premise that the Jewish “return” to the old land of Israel is the fulfillment of God’s promise to Israel. If Zionism is more of a Khazar invasion-by-immigration event, coming largely from Russia and Ukraine in the north, then Zionism is more likely the fulfillment of the great invasion prophesied in Ezekiel 38 and 39. In other words, Zionism is actually the invasion of Gog and Magog, not the return of Israel to a former homeland.

The Story of the Khazar Conversion

In chapter 15 of my book, The Struggle for the Birthright, I gave some history of the Khazars, quoting from various Jewish sources the story of the Khazar conversion to Judaism 1,200 years ago. I wrote:

The Jewish Encyclopedia, under the heading of “Chazars,” says this about them:

“A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with the very beginnings of the history of the Jews of Russia. The kingdom of the Chazars was firmly established in most of South Russia long before the foundation of the Russian monarchy by the Varangians (855). Jews have lived on the shores of the Black and Caspian seas since the first centuries of the common era. Historical evidence points to the region of the Ural as the home of the Chazars. Among the classical writers of the Middle Ages they were known as the ‘Chozars,’ ‘Khazirs,’ ‘Akatzirs,’ and ‘Akatirs,’ and in the Russian chronicles as ‘Khwalisses’ and ‘Ugry Byelyye’.”

Later, The Jewish Encyclopedia speaks about the Khazar (Chazar) conversion to Judaism:

“It was probably about that time that the chaghan [king] of the Chazars and his grandees, together with a large number of his heathen people, embraced the Jewish religion. According to A. Harkavy (‘Meassef Niddahim,’ i.), the conversion took place in 620; according to others, in 740. King Joseph, in his letter to Hasdai ibn Shaprut (about 960), gives the following account of the conversion . . .

“Some centuries ago King Bulan reigned over the Chazars. To him God appeared in a dream and promised him might and glory. Encouraged by this dream, Bulan went by the road of Darlan to the country of Ardebil, where he gained great victories [over the Arabs]. The Byzantine emperor and the calif of the Ishmaelites sent to him envoys with presents, and sages to convert him to their respective religions. Bulan invited also wise men of Israel, and proceeded to examine them all. As each of the champions believed his religion to be the best, Bulan separately questioned the Mohammedans and the Christians as to which of the other two religions they considered the better. When both gave preference to that of the Jews, that king perceived that it must be the true religion. He therefore adopted it.”

Biblical Origins of the Khazars

I also showed the origin of the Ashkenazim, that is, the Eastern European Jews, as distinct from the Sephardic, or “Spanish,” Jews. The Sephardic Jews trace their origin to Judea before they were expelled from the land in their wars with the Romans.

The Ashkenazi originate long before Abraham was born. Genesis 10:2, 3 says that Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah were the sons of Gomer, son of Japheth. Since all Semitic people take their name from Shem, this indicates that the children of Ashkenaz are not even Semitic!

Hence, Arthur Koestler writes in his book, The Thirteenth Tribe, that King Joseph of the Khazars wrote a letter in 960 A.D. to a Jewish doctor in Cordova, Spain. He had heard of a Jewish Kingdom somewhere north of the Black Sea, and so he sent a courier with a letter to its king. In it the king speaks of the genealogy of his people:

“Joseph then proceeds to provide a genealogy of his people. Though a fierce Jewish nationalist, proud of wielding the ‘Sceptre of Judah’, he cannot, and does not, claim for them Semitic descent; he traces their ancestry not to Shem, but to Noah’s third son, Japheth; or more precisely to Japheth’s grandson, Togarma, the ancestor of all Turkish tribes. ‘We have found in the family registers of our fathers,’ Joseph asserts boldly, ‘that Togarma had ten sons, and the names of their offspring are as follows: Uigur, Dursu, Avars, Huns, Basilii, Tarniakh, Khazars, Zagora, Bulgars, Sabir. We are the sons of Khazar, the seventh . . .”

From this letter, quoted often by Jewish historians, the Khazars are identified specifically as being descended from Togarma, the brother of Ashkenaz. We read in Gen. 10:2, 3,

2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer and Magog and Madai and Javan and Tubal and Meshech and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz and Riphath and Togarmah.

Togarma is listed also in Ezekiel 38:2, 6 as being allied with his father Gomer and his uncles (Magog, Meshech, and Tubal) in their invasion of “the mountains of Israel.” Far from being of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, these are the prophesied enemies of the nation of Israel.

Fulfilling Ezekiel’s Prophecy

Christian Zionists, not knowing this aspect of Jewish history, have assumed from the beginning that the Jews were Israelites and that the Russians were the invaders prophesied in Ezekiel 38 and 39. But Jewish history itself shows that the invaders would not be Russians themselves, but Khazars from Russia and Eastern Europe in general.

In other words, just because the invaders came down from the north does not make them ethnic Russians. Because they had been conquered by ethnic Russians many centuries earlier and had been incorporated into Russia, they were part of the territory of Russia, while retaining their identity as Jews.

If you are a Christian Zionist, I can sympathize with your dilemma. I too was raised in the Church as an ardent supporter of Zionism, holding all the views that Zionists today believe. But I was fortunate to read books that the Church never recommended, including the Jewish Encyclopedia (See Chazars), which proved that I had been misled for many years in regard to the identity of ethnic Israelites and the prophecies of Ezekiel 38 and 39.

The prophet tells us that the utter destruction of Gog, Magog, and Togarma will occur in the end (Ezekiel 39:9, 17). Verse 17 is referenced in Revelation 19:17, 18, showing that this will occur at the end of the present age. When the moment of truth arrives, Christians will be forced to recognize that most of the Zionists, coming from Eastern Europe, were actually fulfilling the prophecies of Togarma, Meshech, and Tubal.

My hope, of course, is that some will take heed to my words and leave the danger zone. One’s ethnicity identity in Adam does not doom anyone to fulfill the prophecies of his nation. One can always change citizenship to the Kingdom of God. In this case one must accept the New Covenant and its Mediator and be begotten as a new creature in Christ.

The Sephardic Jews

Sephardic Jews trace their descent from the Jews who were expelled from Judea or taken into slavery as the result of their revolt against Rome. Most estimates say that they constitute 5-15% of world Jewry today.

These are the remnants of the Judean nation destroyed in 70 A.D. and again in 135 A.D. They are the ones who are destined to fulfill Jesus’ prophecies during His ministry in Judea. Perhaps the most important prophecy is that of the fig tree which Jesus cursed for its lack of fruit (Matt. 21:19). This curse came at the end of a four-year “visitation,” or divine investigation that was begun under John the Baptist. John looked for fruit but found none. After he was killed, Jesus continued the investigation and likewise found leaves but no fruit on the fig tree of Judea.

As a result, the fig tree was cursed, and it withered by the following day. Later, Jesus gave further revelation that this fig tree was to bring forth more leaves, telling us in Matt. 24:32-34,

32 Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender, and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 even so you too, when you see all these things, you know that summer is near. 34 Truly I say to you, this generation [genea, “genealogy, offspring, race”] will not pass away until all these things take place.

Jesus was saying that the Judeans would not pass away before their nation would return to life as the fig tree. In 1948 the sap began to flow into that tree once again, and it bore more leaves. However, leaves were the reason Jesus cursed the fig tree in the first place. Fig leaves have also been a problem since Adam and Eve used them to try to cover themselves and justify their sin (Gen. 3:7).

For this reason, the nation calling itself “Israel” is really the revived nation of Judah, which has been given a final opportunity to bear the fruit that God requires of His people. Jesus said that no fruit would ever grow from that tree again, so it is not surprising that Matt. 24:32 speaks only of more leaves. The tree cannot bear fruit without proving Jesus to be a false prophet.

In fact, this prophecy is Jesus’ explanation of what He said two verses earlier (Matt. 24:30), when He said, “the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn.”

While many have interpreted this to mean that the Jews will repent when they see Christ coming in the sky, it actually has the opposite meaning. The Greek word phula that is translated “tribes” has a double meaning. It means “tribe, race, class” when applied to people, but it also means “leaves,” which are extensions of a tree. Hence, we speak of family trees, where individuals are branches or “leaves.”

Likewise, the Greek word translated “mourn,” is kopto, which literally means “cut from” or “cut off.” Jesus’ words, then, have a double meaning: (1) the tribes of the earth will mourn, or be undone; and (2) the leaves of the earth will be cut off.

That is the context of Matt. 24:32, where we read of the fig tree bringing forth more leaves. The leaves will be cut off again in the final destruction of Jerusalem on account of its inability or refusal to bring forth fruit. In like manner, the ethnic tribes of the earth, who do not bear fruit through Jesus Christ, will also mourn, for they will be cut off once again.

The Old Covenant is more pervasive than most realize. It is not a question of being obedient to the law, but where we place our faith. If our faith is in our ability to keep the vow that the Israelites took, then our faith is in vain, for all have sinned (violated the law).

But if our faith is in God’s ability to keep His promises, oaths, and vows, as demonstrated by Christ’s death and resurrection, then our faith will bear fruit. The law is the character of God, and as we demonstrate His character, we see evidence of the fruit that He is bringing forth in us.

The law, based on love, prophesies what we shall be like when God is finished with us. It begins when the Holy Spirit begets Christ in us, and it ends when we are fully birthed.



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    • The Ferrett

      Some sense at last – well done!! “Israel” and the “Jews” – poles apart.
      Once you fully understand the real israel today is descended from the White Caucasian race, the Bible will come alive like never before . .
      Christians today like to separate the OT from the NT, something neither Christ nor the apostles did. Abraham is referred to in the NT some 75 times. Semantic Bible Hyper Concordance

      Yahweh, as Christ, came to fulfill the promises made to the fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. Luke 1:67-74. “I have not come but for the lost sheep of the house of Israel,” Matthew 15:24.

      Paul and the apostles then preached the gospel message of Yahweh keeping His promise of a New Covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, writing His law upon the hearts of His People, Israel. Jeremiah 31:31-34.

      Paul was the messenger to those Israelites that left Egypt prior to the Exodus w/Moses and the giving of the Law at Mt. Sinai. Paul was also the ambassador for Christ to those Israelites that did not return to Judah after the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities, but instead migrated north and west, around the Black Sea into Galatia, Macedonia and Corinth (Greece).

      These Israelites, the Nations, are referred to by Paul as the “uncircumcised.” Peter was accused, along with Barnabas, of hypocrisy because they would not eat with those of the Nations, for fear of what the Judaeans would think. This is the reason for the confrontation between Paul and Peter recorded in Galatians. 2:11-16. Paul goes on to explain that Israelites are not saved by the rituals of the law, that is, circumcision, but through faith in Yahshua Christ. Galatians 2:16.

      Some Christians point to this passage to support throwing the entire Old Testament Mosaic Law out the window. “We’re not under law, but under grace. The Old Testament was Law, the New Testament is Grace.” However, Paul is not talking about the entire OT Law in Ga. 2, only the rituals of that law, one of which was circumcision. Christ Himself told us what to think when it came to the Law. He said: Think NOT, that I came to destroy the Law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17. How much plainer can it be said? Then why do so many think that the entire law was abolished, destroyed, done away with, in direct contradiction to what Christ said?

      More confusion results when readers don’t know that Gentile is a Latin word, and should not be in an English translation of the bible. Ethnos is the original Greek word Paul used in Galatians 2:12 and 14 and should be translated Nations, as in Israelite Nations, not Gentiles, or “non-jews,” as the judeo-christian cultists like Chuck Baldwin would have us believe.

      Yahweh did the choosing of His People, the Israelites, “before the foundation of the world.” Ephesians 1:3 There are no other people, no other family, no other tribe of people thus called. “Ye ONLY have I known of all the families of the earth;” Amos 3:2

      There are those who like to say everything changed after the cross, after the resurrection. Those same people will proclaim “God doesn’t change; He is the same yesterday, today and forever,” but throw that teaching out the window when confronted with passages that clearly state that it was to the Israelites, and the Israelites only, that Christ came.

      Readers of Scripture need to cease from bringing preconceived ideas into Scripture. Instead, they need to use exegesis to understand what the passages under study say, and then form their understanding of what Scripture teaches, not the other way around.

      • Ephraim

        I agree with you

      • HereAmI

        Really good article, and an excellent commentary by The Ferret.

        In answer to his rhetorical question as to why some choose to throw away the requirement to uphold the Law; presumably it is because these non-Israelites cannot keep the Law in spirit and in truth, as they are not indwelt by the Spirit of Truth, and so they see this as their opportunity to cast off God’s claims against them, whilst still imagining themselves to be Christians.
        But the Lord Jesus Himself stated that heaven and earth would pass away, but His words would remain for ever. And His Words are those words written down upon the tablets of stone.

        A further dimension is in considering those blessed individuals chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.
        Both they, and the lost, were either chosen or not chosen according to the sovereign Will of God. Thus it is hard to see how one could be blessed, and the other cursed, in the sense of being consigned to an eternal hellish torment, because they were never anointed with the divine clay upon their eyes.
        Many scriptures give clear evidence that they will simply be consigned to the flames, which will consume them utterly, and in the blink of an eye.
        “They shall be as though they had not been”.
        “The memory of them is forgotten”.
        “They shall be ashes under the soles of your feet”.
        God’s great Plan was always to reveal a Bride for His Son; not to reveal a people to be tormented for evermore; these individuals have a walk-on part, but they are not part of the eternal plan.
        Having died for all men, the Son of God now has the absolute right to dispose of each one of us as He chooses; and His will is that they, but not we, should perish.

    • Amminadab

      THE CHRISTIAN TODAY IS CONSIDERED ISRAEL
      PROPHETIC STATEMENT

      Genesis 49:10, “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.”

      Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

      PROPHETIC STATEMENT REPEATED BY CHRIST (He is speaking to Jews here)

      Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

      PROPHECY FULFILLED

      Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
      Romans 2:28,29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
      Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
      Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

      Also notice what Jesus Himself said to the Jews…

      Mark 12:1-12, “And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty. And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled. And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some. Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others. And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.”

      ANOTHER PROPHETIC FACT…

      Jeremiah 31:35-37, “Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.”

    • wearethey

      Thank you for posting this. I hope it will help Christians realize that the “end times” of Bible prophecy had to do with the end of the Old Covenant age, not our time, and not the end of the church “age”. That is why the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem of the first century was the sign of the end of the age. C’mon people, read your NT and see how Jesus and the Apostles interpreted the OT. There needs to be a serious ironing out of eschatology because the last 150 years of American dispensationalism has made a mess of confusion.

      • Ephraim

        I appreciate your thanks, however, would you mind expanding on this comment you made? I’m not certain I understand your point.

        “the “end times” of Bible prophecy had to do with the end of the Old Covenant age, not our time, and not the end of the church “age”. That is why the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem of the first century was the sign of the end of the age. “

    • Pix

      “—did not originate in Palestine, nor were they genetically descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but were converts to Judaism around 640 A.D.”

      Actually forced converts as dictated by their king, there was no freewill involved. Judaism was created post 70 CE by the political party of wealthy influential money lenders and traders called the Pharisees. They were not a religion, but a political party who interfered in politics to line their own pockets, wage wars to loot other countries and keep power away from the poor, the sick and minorities. Pretty much as they are doing today destroying country after country turning all into their debt slaves. They have no connection and nothing in common with the Israelites R.I.P. Apart from a possibility the Pharisees were responsible for the Israelites demise. It would certainly be a typical political dirty trick we see all too often where the victor constantly slanders its victims and then constantly whines about being the persecuted party to justify it.

      Nice balanced article for a change. Quite a treat on BIN. :grin:

      • Williams

        Agreed. :smile:

        Peace be upon you.

    • Williams

      I agree as well. Thank you both Ephraim and Ferret, nice article and comment.

      It is good to read from others who also see it and are agreeing about these things. It is quite sad that most Christians of today want to try and throw out the entire Old Testament/Covenant, because in doing so they are actually doing the exact opposite of what Christ actually taught, like you have pointed out and which was to uphold the moral (and National) Law contained in the Old Covenant, NOT try and say it has somehow been “done away with”. Instead of seeing the beauty, and the Wisdom of The Law. God’ s Laws are Perfect – that is why we were told not to add or subtract anything from it:

      Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the “I AM” your God which I COMMAND you.

      Just one example of this, is the way economics are supposed to work under God’s Law – it is simply beautiful. For instance, all debts are cancelled, every seven years. If you would be interested in a short study of this subject in particular, you might enjoy this:

      GREEN, SUSTAINABLE ECONOMICS A PHASE OF DIVINE LAW

      First published in 1947 by Dr. D. S. Milne. Edited by JAH – 2000 A five part practical study of God’s Law and The Divine Justice;

      Equality and Freedom that it provides; explaining how The Eternal
      Principles of The Law that was given to Moses 3,500 years ago
      can and should be applied to life in this day and age, to ensure
      abundant Life; Freedom and Justice for all and proper care for the
      Environment too.

      Link to this is:
      http://jahtruth.net/greeneco.htm

      Peace be upon you both :smile:

      • Pix

        “Instead of seeing the beauty, and the Wisdom of The Law. God’ s Laws are Perfect ”

        I do not agree. Knowing history and how it is twisted by the victor, does not mean I agree with Islam. It’s foundation is every bit as pagan as Christianities and just like Christianity it is an off branch of Catholicism. Neither of which has a single scrap evidence that Jesus or Muhammad existed.

        Judaism was created by money lenders and traders. Islam is based on the teachings Muhammad, a trader. Christianity is based on the teaching of the Turkish trader Pharisee Saul/Paul. Definate pattern there. :wink:

        The only thing I agree with you on is “Peace be upon you”.

    • Williams

      I don’t agree with ANY of the organised religions. They are ALL wrong and were invented to build a wall between people and God.

      So-called christianity, for instance, which is not at all what Christ taught His followers, who called themselves “Covenanters” – those that keep God’s Covenant – and “Followers of The Way”, NOT christians. Not to mention all the pagan customs like X-mas and “Easter” which is really Ishtar – a pagan fertillity goddess with her “Ishtar eggs” as a sign of fertillity, which has absolutely nothing to do with Christ, or The Bible. Christ actually hates Xmas.
      http://jahtruth.net/passnot.htm
      http://jahtruth.net/Xmas.htm

      It is the same story with Islam and ALL of the others, because the people in the religions don’t read all of their own Books and cherry pick the Scriptures AT BEST, when they are not actually twisting them around and teaching the exact OPPOSITE and in order to keep “business” booming.

      The word “Satan”, in Hebrew, means “The Opposer”.

      So yes, there is a definite pattern there, but it is this – that ALL of the organised religions were created by Satan, NOT by God.

      It is therefore a good thing to be able to see through the deceptions of the organised religions and their evil priests etc. However, to then equate what the organised religions have done and linking that with The Bible and end up throwing “the baby out with the bathwater”, is a huge mistake.

      The religions have NOTHING to do with God, they are Satan’s inventions to deceive people and to turn as many people as possible, away from God’s Truth.

      Jesus Christ taught His followers NOT to go to church, like the hypocrites do:

      Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
      6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

      Anyone wishing to really understand all of this, should study the information at the links provided in this comment and “The Way home or face The Fire” – By JAH, Who is the Author of all these Truths.
      http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net

      • Ephraim

        To Williams,
        I agree with a few things you say, particularly concerning Christmas and Easter.
        You mention Matthew 6:5 concerning people praying in the churches. I realize the Greek word is sunagōgē which is translated as synagog but generally means a gathering of people. In my church meetings, certain prayers at certain instances are basically ceremonial and I wouldn’t think for show. Who knows. I agree that church meetings are completely unlike those of Paul and the early meetings and I disagree that ALL church activities are Satan created. However, your choice of reference sources is the thing that really bothers me. jahtruth.net is a source of everything including some Bible and a bunch of secular and heresy.

        How can someone comment on the Bible using sources such as Nostradamus.

        Also on this site, is the True interpretation of many of the Ancient Prophecies, from The Holy Scriptures and else-where; including those of Nostradamus;

        I also note you refer to the Koran as a source. For a person who doesn’t agree with any religion you sure refer to a bunch of them. Some that I wouldn’t touch with a long pole. There is only one source for truth and that is the Bible of God.

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