The Rapture Puzzle - Day of Atonement 2015
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For a Scriptural case on the rapture, see:
/alternative/2013/02/rapture-alert-millions-of-christians-have-been-deceived-2561260.html
If you are a novice Christian, do not fall for the trap of a pre-tribulation rapture. While all hell is literally about to break loose, the trap is thinking you will have an easy way out of it. It is in Satan’s interest to have you fall for this trap. Thinking that Jesus will rapture you out of here before all hell breaks loose will only make you cannon fodder for the Devil and his forces when all hell does break loose. Is the so-called Church ready for martyrdom today? No they are not. They are not ready to stand in their faith against the ravages of the beast. Do not be misled by what someone says the Bible says. Read the Bible for yourself. Read the 24th chapter of Matthew and you’ll see that Jesus comes for the Church after the tribulation period. Read the Book of Revelation and you’ll see that Jesus calls us to a patient and enduring faith during the time of the antichrist. We are entering the time period the Bible warned us about, the time the world of the dead will open its mouth wide for. The body of Christ should be in boot camp bracing and strengthening themselves in the LORD, preparing for all-out war, the war of all wars. But instead, the so-called Church is ill prepared for what will soon envelop the whole world because of this false hope of being raptured out of here before the tribulation period. They are oblivious to the sounds of war in the heavenlies and prepare not for what is about to happen. Because they have not studied the Scriptures, they will be sitting ducks for the enemy to take out. They will fall pitifully short in their destinies, to what God has called them to.
Do not listen to these false teachers who unwittingly lay a trap for you. Soon, the sons of God will be revealed and then the end will come, the Book of Revelation will play out on the world stage:
/alternative/2013/02/the-sons-of-god-are-going-to-astound-the-world-2565258.html
And if you are a sheep that has been misled by a false teacher regarding a pre-tribulation rapture, I bid you now to cut out this nonsense of thinking you won’t be here and run, not walk, but run for cover in the shadow of His wings (see Psalm 91) if you expect to endure until the end, whether the end for you is martyrdom or the Second Coming, which occurs at the end of this age at the 7th trumpet.
Correct, am123, and it’s a certainty that B4IN has gone a long way towards exposing this lie. Sure this site tries to promote the nonsense rapture theory but the truth comes out in the comments thanks to people like you. Well done my friend.
Thanks Mayhem. Ditto for you.
Renee You are correct many interesting dates/events coming up, from your mouth to Gods ears.. let it be. HalleluYah
Maranatha
v28 “There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth”……..”as it is written”
Be on the ALERT for those who give another version or links to their own personal interpretations, TRUST Scripture of what Y’shua/Jesus said …the Panic is clearly when 50% were left behind….. with the unbelievers.
Be alarmed when they call you a NOVICE ? What arrogance !!!
Don’t follow those who replace the Blessed Hope with a false hope, there is no solid Scriptural ground against PTR the Lord knows how to rescue the righteous………HalleluYah.
2 Peter 2:9
9then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
Genesis 18:25 25″Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
The Lord is clear on this…trust… as it is written.
Flee from these workers of the night who want to steal your Hope, shame on them , they will reap what they sow GREAT TRIBULATION from their own mouths…. (they talk with fork tongue) claim Psalm 91 God is your protector when they deny this protection and put Jesus return at the End of the Great slaughter.
Maranatha my Sisters and brothers
“there is no solid Scriptural ground against PTR”
Here is but one of many:
“I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.”
—John 17:15
Here you go again !! You’ve got to be kidding me right
, What has this got to do with the rapture ? You take one sentence and you conclude this debunks the PTR view Bahahahawah
“Here is but one of many:” NO here’s… one more.. I have to explain to you in Context as I have with ALL your others you shred.
John 17:15
Correct exegesis of this in Context
This was a Prayer for the Disciples by Y’shua.
…14″I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15″I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.
He pleaded with His Holy Father, that He would keep them by His power and for His glory, that they might be united in affection and love. He did not pray that his disciples should be removed out of the world, that they might escape the rage of men, for they had A GREAT WORK TO DO for the glory of God, and the benefit of mankind. BUT He prayed that the Father would keep them from the EVIL ONE, from being corrupted by the world, power and craft of Satan. So that they might pass through the world as through an enemy’s country, as he had done.
Nothing to do with the rapture at ALL it’s CLEARLY the disciples prayer
It’s pretty simple. You think Christians are going to be taken out of this world, but that goes against was Jesus has prayed for us. Your hope flies in the face of what Jesus prays.
god i am 321 I’ve explained it as plain and as
SIMPLE as I can for you, if you cannot see this is for the Disciples ONLY, What is there more to say huh 
?, I’ve given you (2) Scriptures that CLEARLY show PTR is on SOLID GROUND above.
Genesis 18:25 25″Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?…Tribulation Saints are NOT the BRIDE.
“the Lord knows how to RESCUE (the righteous) the godly from TEMPTATION” …the BRIDE
temptation in the Bible:
(1.) Trial; a being put to the test.
(2 )the act of tempting; enticement or allurement….
“You Clearly REJECT GODS WORD” which refers to Gods Precepts and Ordinances regarding RESCUE…GOD keeps His PROMISES ALWAYS no-less for this End generation as Posted to you many times.as below once more.
It’s not escapism when you stand on the… Word of God… “as it is written”
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
ALL means ALL, If you are ACCOUNTED WORTHY to STAND BEFORE THE SON OF GOD…SO WATCH !!!
Revelation 3:10King James Version (KJV)
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience,… I also will keep thee FROM the hour of TEMPTATION, which shall come upon all the world,…TO TRY THEM that dwell upon the earth.
as now opposed to those LIVING IN HEAVEN… after this judgement.
Because you have kept (MY WORD) THE WORD of MY Patience …ie Kept the full Word of GOD….Perseverance about His Imminence return,…..MY PATIENCE.
definition of: Patience
1- an ability or willingness to suppress restlessness or annoyance when confronted with DELAY.
2-The capacity, quality, or fact of being patient:
3-. quiet, steady perseverance;when confronted with DELAY.
example of:
my patience is exhausted .
as it is with you, I still carry on nonetheless with… His Patience.. as I have strength and because of this…
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
He gives us the same word from TEMPTATION, which clears up the arguments of Rev 3:10 (out of or from) ….2 Peter 2:9…. the Lord knows how to RESCUE the godly FROM TEMPTATION.
Y”shua is coming at the BEGINNING of the GREAT TRIBULATION….HalleluYAH
to rescue His BRIDE as Promised… HalleluYah….as it is Written
PTR is on VERY SOLID GROUND …the… ROCK , the WORD OF GOD.
“the Lord knows how to rescue the righteous” “You Clearly REJECT GODS WORD” which refers to Gods Precepts and Ordinances regarding RESCUE…GOD keeps His PROMISES ALWAYS as PROVEN in the Bible, Noah-Lot-etc etc – And it will be no-less for this end generation.
It’s not escapism when you stand on the… Word of God… “as it is written”
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
ALL means ALL, If you are ACCOUNTED WORTHY to STAND BEFORE THE SON OF GOD…SO WATCH !!!
This is accomplished FIRST as seen in the Book of Rev Judgement starts in the House of God first, the Churches are Judged, BRIDE taken remainder thrown into the Great Tribulation to become Tribulation Saints…….” as it is written”
YOU REJECT GODS WORD on this …SO be it ,Your entitled to your POV this is what you have sealed on Earth and like Max you both can walk arm in arm together.
“You think Christians are going to be taken out of this world” NOPE.. terminology is everything in identifying who is who in the Zoo.
I said the BRIDE is taken and many Churches will be thrown into the GREAT TRIBULATION..those become the Tribulation Saints…. as it is written… 50% are NOT LOOKING.
Parable of the 10 Virgins….
Many are called (christian) FEW are CHOSEN for the BRIDE.Matthew 22:14
I know you’ll reject this also as you have NO Spiritual discernment, this is wrote for the Bride
UNTO THEM THAT LOOK for Him, shall He appear the second time without sin UNTO SALVATION.Hebrews 9:28
Maranath….HalleluYah
“I’ve explained it as plain and as
SIMPLE as I can for you, if you cannot see this is for the Disciples ONLY, What is there more to say huh”
Are not all true Christians disciples? Of course. Anyways, I know that you are talking about the original disciples. But Jesus was not praying for them alone. Jesus was not only praying for those with Him that day, but He was also praying for all who would believe on Him from that time until now.
Here, let everyone examine the evidence for themselves (EMPHASIS mine) so they can see who is correct:
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I PRAY FOR THEM: I PRAY NOT FOR THE WORLD, BUT FOR THEM WHICH THOU HAST GIVEN ME; FOR THEY ARE THINE.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I PRAY NOT THAT THOU SHOULDEST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, BUT THAT THOU SHOULDEST KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 NEITHER PRAY I FOR THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THEM ALSO WHICH SHALL BELIEVE ON ME THROUGH THEIR WORD
—John 17:1-20
So there you have it, from the MOUTH OF JESUS in chapter 17 of John. Jesus was praying for all who believe in the glorious Gospel message—those with Him then, and those who have believed from that time until now.
Case closed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKW4jQe0kbI
There is no wiggle room for you there, unless you want to reject the prayers of Jesus for you that is, you know, things like our eternal life (v2 above) and His joy in us (v13 above)! Thank Jesus I will praise you forever and ever amen! Hallelujah!
Read the entire chapter 17 of John you who believe on Jesus and tell me something: Is Jesus speaking to your heart in each and every verse you see there? If you don’t swell up inside reading that entire chapter of John, well, you’re not connected to the Branch then are you?
Far be it from any child of God to throw away ANY ONE of those verses in that chapter saying it does not apply to them! Throw one out and you might as well throw them all out!
Why, I do declare that we would be living in absolutely CRAZY TIMES if believers rejected the following prayer of Jesus for them because of their foolish pride in a false theory:
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
—John 17:24-26
Amen! Emmanuel! God with us! Hallelujah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3c7wahdCBM
What !!! case closed, so soon ??
not so fast there ,that’s wishful thinking, I’m off to the Courts to lodge an Appeal.
I’ll be back with the defense
Case closed. Bahahawahaha, god i am not 321, !!! Your body of evidence is weak and YOU have not proven beyond reasonable doubt that
John 17:15 ( A single verse) is even ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RAPTURE …
case for the Defense.
As stated PTR is on Solid ROCK the Word of God, but as usual you have TOTALLY dismissed those (2) Scriptures I gave you, TWICE now, I know Why!, as it demolishes your theory, as the Wicked ARE Judged with the Righteous in your POST Tribb expectation and the Promise of Rescue could NOT be fulfilled if He comes at the END for the Bride…..You don’t have any reply to this as you would be in violation of GODS PRECEPT of RESCUE.
Shall not the Judge of all the Earth deal justly…You clearly are against this PRECEPT set by GOD….To the very few readers who see this…. that is
CLEAR.
Now to your crafty twist, we shall have to start at the beginning (as usual) because you twist things to your theory. First off, you gave me…John 17:15. A VERSE I went to this verse and read it like I do when ANYONE gives me A VERSE…then I read 3 verses behind and 3 verses forward this is USUALLY enough to get the meaning and I said to you after my assessment of what I read, giving you 3 verses MORE than what you asked of me.
I said this”Nothing to do with the rapture at ALL it’s CLEARLY the disciples prayer” and I still hold that John 17 :15…. has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RAPTURE….NOTHING!!!
Then you give me LATER 25 more verses to look at, YOU get excited at verse 20 as if you have cracked a case clean open like, Inspector Hercule Poirot
If you wanted me to make an assessment ON 25 VERSES then you should have posted ALL that BEFORE !!? … as you ONLY posted to me a verse (v15) …This is but one of your three card tricks you lay in wait for, Year after Year, that I warn others about, building up a STRAW MAN in your own mind… then attacking it ….PITIFUL Indeed.
v20 NEITHER PRAY I FOR THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THEM ALSO WHICH SHALL BELIEVE ON ME THROUGH THEIR WORD
—John 17:1-20
But YET again you FAILED miserably as these further verses you NOW GIVE Just indicates that we all tarry about Gods Word/work, as done through out history of the Church, since Y’shua departed… UNTIL the RAPTURE as the churches are still here, none have gone before.
ALL this is PRE Rapture, ….We are ALL HERE until 50% are taken…@the catching away, that is ALL it is intending to convey,seeing you are a believer in the rapture also then you must agree this is what is meant here,… up to that point,.. we have ALL been about His work. So NOTHING has been thrown out, not a single dot of his Word.
AGAIN, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RAPTURE. except in your own mind.
Good crafty try.. god i am not 321…
Case dismissed on appeal due to fresh prosecution material which was entered LATER,was evaluated and thrown out as YOU have not PROVEN beyond reasonable doubt this is ANYTHING to do with the RESCUE of the BRIDE ……
Crazy Times indeed get your own Avatar as its as plain as that NOSE on your FACE your NOT GOD (my Spanish Myth).. to rewrite… GOD’s Precept of RESCUE, as GOD Judges Justly “as it is written”, let it be ……HalleluYah
—John 17:1-20
“So there you have it, from the MOUTH OF JESUS in chapter 17 of John. Jesus was praying for all who believe in the glorious Gospel message—those with Him then, and those who have believed from that time until now.”
This proves your trick of giving me (1) verse as you agree that the interpretation is the same if I gave you 1 verse …”Jesus was praying for all who believe in the glorious Gospel message—those with Him then”
then giving me later 25 verses which would mean “and those who have believed from that time until now.”
Until Now… Church still here …PTR
Your objection:
“YOU have not proven beyond reasonable doubt that
John 17:15 ( A single verse) is even ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RAPTURE”
I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the prayer of Jesus in ALL of chapter 17 of John is for believers TODAY. Therefore, the prayer not to take us out of the world applies to believers TODAY.
Objection overruled!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKW4jQe0kbI
Now prepare yourself for the tribulation ahead.
god i am not 321 “I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the prayer of Jesus in ALL of chapter 17 of John is for believers TODAY. Therefore, the prayer not to take us out of the world applies to believers TODAY.”
Yes’ TODAY as in this moment since Y’shua departed we are ALL still here the Churches are we not….Until the PTR…..Sheeesh
You have proven NOTHING more than COMMONSENSE WOULD PROVE, we are here until a PTR rescue and you still dismiss Gods Precepts of RESCUE for the 3rd time, YOUR whole discussion was about NOTHING we are here Until He will remove us from TEMPTATION……… as per the word of God…explained above.
He’s delaying and you don’t like it, so you conclude He’s not coming, and make your own Day and Hr.
As for me I will persevere with “His Patience” as we are told to …
Word of GOD (Or) your absurd court case ….I choose….” as it is written” … EVERY TIME.
What You have shown is that you are sneaky in how you present your question and then try to hold the high ground with entering additional material LATER, as if you ever had a knockout case against PTR in the beginning!!! ?, then claiming revelation, what the verse plainly said all along …we are here untill we are NOT… the Rapture…. bahhahahwah
“Now prepare yourself for the tribulation ahead”…..”The BRIDE is not destined for the Wrath of GOD” In your ridiculous position, this puts the BRIDE ALL the way through ( “Jacobs Trouble” Israel”s Trouble) to the END….and If God did not shorten these Days there would be NO FLESH LEFT.
Jesus Christ is GOD and HE is the ONE who is Breaking the Seals and RELEASES the ANTICHRIST UPON the EARTH Rev 6:2, (the BRIDE is ALREADY in Heaven….as Promised) The very Fact that, it is GOD breaking these Seals RELEASING the “Son of Perdition” on the EARTH means the TRIAL = TEMPTATIONl, has begun….without a shadow of a Doubt you have NO Discernment on how to divide Gods Word using Exegeses.
Go out to meet your Anti-christ with Mad Max an Ilk, We have been told to get ready for our meeting in the Air and put on our Wedding Gowns and prepare to stand before the “Son of Man” , You go, put your prepping battle gear on…as what you seal on Earth.
As expected we are poles apart …So why do you bother in engaging me in something you that shows you up, if not to TRY and trap me in one of your 3 card tricks…
Agree to disagree, and get over it !!, your entitled to your POV, I don’t care what position you hold. really. State you POV and others will state theirs,
just don’t be sneaky about it.
Sorry, you must vacate the premises, the court room is closing you’ve lost your case, turn the lights
off on your way out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5BQZmfezsw
“you must vacate the premises” You’d like that!!, so you could continue you deception on BIN without Interference, preying on “Novices” as you belligerently call them
This thread stands as a testament to your lack of Commonsense , Scriptural blindness and outright rejection of Gods Precepts of Rescue and confirms your deluded to the point of think you have won !!!
the PTR doctrine on 2 Verse ….Bahahahahahwah !!
You don’t need the Great Deception that is coming as your ALREADY DELUDED with the fantasy world / stories you write.
I stand on the Word..”as it is written” The Fourth time you have ignored…the Word of God
Genesis 18:25 25″Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”
2 Peter 2:9
9then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
God is the JUDGE… NOT YOU… and HE Judges Justly…….. “as it is written”
You never had a case to begin with, to even close AS A JUDGE, Your Avatar is a Myth also this is evidence how far down the rabbit hole you have fallen and there’s no way out
The WORD of GOD HAS DEMOLISHED your 2 verses….as God Judges Justly
The LACK of Scriptural rebuttal is really telling…all we have are your silly youtube clips
Crazy times, I find you in contempt. Bailiff, remove this person from the courtroom.
Regardless of whether we are pre-, mid-, or post- believers, the body of Jesus Christ should all be unanimous and sure of ONE thing…and that is that we are true, blood-bought, loyal believers of Jesus Christ to the end. We should not argue over small issues such as the timing of events to come. We should instead build up one another in love. We should focus on sharing the ONE true gospel of Jesus Christ- and that message is that God loves every single person that has been and ever will be created..and He loved us before we loved Him…as we were sinners in a fallen state…He sent His Son, Jesus, to earth to be the ULTIMATE sacrifice to cover our sins…so that we may be washed in His holy blood to be clean before God…so that we may live eternally with God our Father as His sons and daughters. We must join together as brothers and sisters NOW, for we are the body of Christ…let’s strengthen one another with love and encouragement. Let’s defend the gospel of Jesus and be passionate about it! Satan loves to bring strife among us. He thrives on tearing us down. Guard yourselves…be conscious of the enemy when he strikes and fight back with what God has given us! Remember to LOVE above all things! Make it your number one priority. I’d like to leave you with Ephesians 6:10-18…10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
…Now put on your armor and fight the enemy, not your brothers and sisters!!!