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Luke 16 v19-31 THIS IS THE BIG ONE. THIS IS THE PARABLE THAT HAS CONVINCED ALMOST THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF THE DANTE DEPICTION OF WHAT SOME KIND OF ETERNAL-HELL-AFTER-LIFE MUST BE LIKE. THIS HUGE ERROR IN TEACHING COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD GREATER CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN TO WHAT JESUS WAS DISCUSSING JUST PRIOR TO DELIVERING THIS PARABLE.

IN LUKE, CHAPTER 16, VERSE 19; JESUS BEGINS TELLING A STORY ABOUT A RICH MAN AND A POOR MAN CALLED LAZARUS. PLEASE NOTE THAT IN NO OTHER PARABLE JESUS TOLD DID HE ACTUALLY GIVE A NAME TO ONE OF THE CHARACTERS. THIS IS HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT AS YOU WILL SOON SEE… 

19 There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.

A BIG CLUE TO WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT LIES IN THE IDENTITY OF THE RICH MAN. WE KNOW HE WAS CLOTHED IN PURPLE, WHICH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH ROYALTY. WE ALSO KNOW HE WAS CLOTHED IN FINE LINEN WHICH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH RIGHTEOUS ACTS AND THEN THERE IS THE FACT THAT HE IS RICH AND FEASTS EVERY DAY. BIBLICALLY, THIS MEANS HE ENJOYS THE BEST OF EVERYTHING: FOOD, HEALTH, WISDOM, RELATIONSHIPS AND PROTECTION. THIS IS ONE PROSPEROUS INDIVIDUAL IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD. HE ENJOYS A “BLESSED” STATUS IN THIS LIFE. SO WHO IS THIS RICH MAN SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT?

WELL, IF YOU READ THE PRECEDING VERSES, YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT JESUS WAS TALKING TO THE PHARISEES. THE PHARISEES DID NOT RECOGNISE OR ACCEPT JESUS AS BEING THE MESSIAH (THE SON OF GOD). WE ALSO KNOW, FROM PRECEDING ACCOUNTS, THAT JESUS HAD A HABIT OF HIDING DEEP SPIRITUAL MEANING WITHIN THESE PARABLES:

Mathew 13v10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” 11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to YOU to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

REMEMBER, WE STILL HAVENʼT DISCOVERED THE IDENTITY OF THE RICH MAN YET, SO LETʼS CONTINUE TO EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE. LETʼS LOOK AT THE 3 VERSES WHICH IMMEDIATELY PRECEDE VERSE 19 OF LUKE CHAPTER 16…

16 The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.

THIS IS MASSIVELY SIGNIFICANT. JESUS IS ANNOUNCING A CUT-OFF OF THE ENTIRE JUDEO MODEL OF LIVING. JOHN THE BAPTISTʼS LIFE IS CONCLUDING THE ENTIRE OLD COVENANT. AND IN THE SAME VERSE, JESUS HAS ANNOUNCED ITS REPLACEMENT.

17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.

NOW JESUS IS CONFIRMING THAT EVERY SINGLE REQUIREMENT OF THE OLD COVENANT MUST BE FULFILLED, RIGHT DOWN TO THE SMALLEST COMMA OR PERIOD AND NO ONE, UP TO THAT TIME, HAD BEEN ABLE TO DO IT.

18 Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

HAS JESUS SUDDENLY LOST HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT? WHY DID HE SUDDENLY START TALKING ABOUT MARRIAGE? LETʼS SEE…

JESUS IS CONFIRMING THAT NO MARRIAGE COVENANT COULD BE DISSOLVED BY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DEATH OF ONE OF THE SPOUSES. IF A DIVORCE HAS TAKEN PLACE, NEITHER SPOUSE, WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE, COULD RE-MARRY WITHOUT COMMITTING ADULTERY.

JESUS WAS MAKING A MAJOR POINT HERE. HE IS TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC MARRIAGE. WHAT IS HE REFERRING TO?

Isaiah 54v5 For your Maker is your HUSBAND, The Lord of Hosts is His name; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel; He is called the God of the whole earth.

Jeremiah 31: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a HUSBAND to them, says the Lord.

THE MARRIAGE JESUS WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE MARRIAGE HE HAD WITH ISRAEL UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE OLD COVENANT BEFORE HE BECAME GOD IN THE FLESH. THE LORD DIVORCED ISRAEL BECAUSE OF HER UNFAITHFUL WAYS AND HER ABANDONMENT OF HIM. BUT THERE WAS NO WAY THAT GOD COULD INITIATE A NEW MARRIAGE COVENANT UNLESS ONE OF THE PARTIES DIED. SO IT WAS EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO BE JESUS OR EVERY SINGLE LIVING DESCENDANT OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB. 
THIS NEW MARRIAGE COVENANT WOULD BE BETWEEN JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH: 

2 Corinthians 11: 2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. AND THE CHURCH IS DESCRIBED AS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST: Revelation 21: 9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lambʼs wife.” 

SO NOW WE KNOW, THE RICH MAN WAS A REFERENCE TO THE OLD COVENANT AND EVERYONE WHO BENEFITTED FROM THE OLD COVENANT, NAMELY THE JEWISH PEOPLE, THE OBSERVANT DESCENDANTS OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL AND ESPECIALLY THE PRIEST-HOOD.

SO WEʼVE IDENTIFIED THE RICH MAN, WHAT ABOUT THE POOR MAN? WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT LAZARUS? WHY DID JESUS USE THIS NAME FOR ONE OF THE CHARACTERS IN THIS PARABLE? HE NEVER USED NAMES FOR HIS CHARACTERS IN PREVIOUS PARABLES. THE BIBLE REVEALS ASTONISHING ANSWERS: 

Luke 16: 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 

LAZARUS IS DESCRIBED AS A BEGGAR. A BEGGAR IS NOT A PROFESSION ITʼS A CONDITION OF LIFE.
HIS EXTREME POVERTY MEANS THAT HE IS DEPENDENT ON THE CHARITY OF OTHERS. TYPICALLY, A BEGGAR CANNOT DO REGULAR WORK BECAUSE HE IS OFTEN AFFLICTED WITH DISABLEMENT OR POOR HEALTH. HIS RELATIONSHIPS WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS IS OFTEN ESTRANGED AND MANY BEGGARS LIVE WITH CONSTANT PHYSICAL PAIN, MENTAL ANGUISH AND PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS. HE IS AN OUTCAST OF SOCIETY, DESPISED, UNWANTED AND IGNORED. HIS CONDITION IS HOPELESS. HE IS THE LIVING EMBODIMENT OF SOMEONE LIVING IN A STATE OF SHEOL/HADES. LAZARUS IS THE COMPLETE ANTI-THESIS OF THE RICH MAN. OKAY, SO WHY GIVE THIS BEGGAR A NAME? WHY DID JESUS USE THE NAME LAZARUS? 

WELL, EARLIER IN HIS MINISTRY, JESUS CAME ACROSS A MAN CALLED LAZARUS AND THIS ACCOUNT IS RECORDED IN: John 11 v1-45 THERE IS MORE PROPHETIC SIGNIFICANCE IN THIS CHAPTER THAN MOST BIBLICAL SCHOLARS HAVE REALISED. THIS CHAPTER CONCENTRATES ON HOW JESUS RAISED LAZARUS FROM THE DEAD. SOME SCHOLARS INSIST THAT THIS WAS REPRESENTATIVE OF JESUS BEING RAISED FROM THE DEAD, BUT THE SCRIPTURES DONʼT SUPPORT THAT THEORY. FIRST OF ALL, LAZARUS HAD BEEN DEAD FOR AT LEAST FOUR DAYS, NOT THREE: John 11: 17 So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days. REMEMBER, WEʼRE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHO LAZARUS IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT; SO WHO ELSE HAS BEEN DEAD FOR AT LEAST FOUR DAYS? WELL, IN 2 PETER 3V8, WE ARE TOLD THAT “A DAY TO GOD IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS”. 

SO WHO HAS BEEN DEAD FOR FOUR THOUSAND YEARS WITHOUT HOPE, WITHOUT HELP? ISNʼT IT THE GENTILES, ALL THOSE NATIONS OTHER THAN ISRAEL? IS THIS WHO LAZARUS IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT, THE GENTILES? LETʼS KEEP GATHERING THE EVIDENCE… JESUS WAS IN THE GRAVE FOR 3 DAYS, NOT 4. THIS IS CRUCIAL BECAUSE JESUS SAID THERE WOULD ONLY BE ONE SIGN THAT THIS GENERATION WOULD BE GIVEN AS TO WHO HE REALLY WAS WHICH WAS THE SIGN OF WHAT HAPPENED TO JONAH: (Mathew 12v40, Mathew 16v4 and Luke 11v29) THATʼS 2-3 WITNESSES

WITHIN SCRIPTURE THAT THIS WAS THE CASE, UNLIKE LAZARUS WHO IS NEVER MENTIONED IN THAT CONNECTION. JESUS WAS FIRST NOTIFIED OF LAZARUSʼ CONDITION WHEN HE WAS JUST SICK, HE COULD EASILY HAVE HEALED LAZARUS, BUT HE ALLOWED HIM TO DIE, WHY? SO JESUS COULD DEMONSTRATE THE TRUTH OF THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD TO HIS DISCIPLES AND THE REST OF US: (John 11 v15 & v24).

THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND: LAZARUS WAS NOT RESURRECTED TO ETERNAL LIFE WITH AN INCORRUPTIBLE BODY. HE WAS RESURRECTED BACK TO PHYSICAL LIFE. MARTHA, IN VERSE 24, SPOKE OF THE JUDGEMENT OF THE LAST GREAT DAY, WHICH SHE SPOKE OF IN HOPE CONCERNING HER BROTHER.

IN VERSES 33, 34 & 35, JESUS IS DEEPLY GRIEVED. JESUS WEPT, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF MARYʼS GRIEF, BUT THE GRIEF OF ALL HUMAN-KIND THAT HAVE MOURNED THE PASSING OF A LOVED ONE.    THIS WAS EMPATHY ON A SCALE THAT YOU AND I CANʼT POSSIBLY IMAGINE. THIS IS WHAT TOOK JESUS TO THE CROSS, THIS WAS THE LOVE THAT HELD HIM THERE. WE HAVE SO CORRUPTED THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND FAILED TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH OF WHAT JESUS DID. NO WONDER THIS PARABLE ABOUT LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN HAS BEEN SO DISTORTED AND CORRUPTED. ITʼS TOO REVEALING AND ITS MESSAGE IS GLORIOUS…

YOU SEE, THE BEGGAR IS THE NEW COVENANT DELIVERED TO THE GENTILES, THE NON-ISRAELITES, THE ONES WHO WERE SHUT OUT BY THE OLD COVENANT. THE ONES WHO, WHEN THEY SUFFERED, COULD ONLY BE COMFORTED BY THE DOGS (THE UNCLEAN ONES). THE NAME GIVEN BY JEWS TO THE GENTILES: (SEE Mathew 15v26 & Mark 7v27).

OKAY, NOW THAT WEʼVE ESTABLISHED THE IDENTITY OF THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS, WE CAN NOW MOVE THROUGH THE REST OF THE PARABLE WHICH IS JAW-DROPPINGLY AWESOME… 

Luke 16: 22 So it was that the beggar died,

THE GENTILES, WHO REPENT, DIE IN THE BAPTISM OF WATER AND ARE IMMEDIATELY RESURRECTED TO A NEW AND BETTER LIFE IN CHRIST…. IN THIS LIFE!!!!! NOTE: THERE IS NO MENTION OF BURIAL, BECAUSE JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD, THE GRAVE COULDNʼT HOLD HIM… 

22 and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom.

REMEMBER THE PROMISES GIVEN BY GOD TO ABRAHAM AFTER HE NEARLY SACRIFICED HIS SON ISAAC? THE LORD SAID BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT WITH-HELD YOUR SON, ALL, ALL, ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED THROUGH YOUR SEED. THE PHYSICAL LINEAGE OF JESUS CHRIST, ON HIS MOTHERʼS SIDE, ORIGINATED FROM ABRAHAM, SEE Genesis 2v18.

22 The rich man also died and was buried.

THE RICH MAN (THE OLD COVENANT) ALSO DIED. THE IMPLICATION IS THAT THEY BOTH DIED AT THE SAME TIME. THE OLD COVENANT DIED WITH JESUS. HE FOUNDED IT, HE ENDED IT AND HE BURIED IT, THERE WOULD BE NO RESURRECTION OF THE OLD COVENANT.

23 And being in torments in Hades,

THERE WAS NO MORE FORGIVENESS OF SINS IN THE RITUALS OF THE OLD COVENANT. JESUS CHRIST KEPT THE WHOLE LAW. HE FULFILLED EVERYTHING IN HIS LIFE, HIS DEATH AND HIS RESURRECTION. THE OLD COVENANT RITUALS WERE A FORE-SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME. WELL NOW JESUS WAS HERE. EVERYTHING WAS FULFILLED IN HIM. SO ANYONE WHO FINDS THEMSELVES IN A STATE OF TORMENT AND HOPELESSNESS MUST NOW COME TO CHRIST FOR DELIVERANCE. ALL THE FOLLOWERS OF THE OLD COVENANT THAT STILL TRY TO RELY ON RITUALS AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES ARE WASTING THEIR TIME. THEY WILL CONTINUE IN THEIR SINS AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE SINS UNTIL THEY RECOGNISE THAT EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED. NO ONE CAN ESCAPE THE LAW OR RECEIVE MERCY AGAINST ITS CONSEQUENCES EXCEPT THROGH JESUS. WITHOUT JESUS, WE ALL LIVE IN HADES, A STATE OF HOPELESSNESS, A STATE OF LIVING DEATH, A STATE OF HELL. SO THIS RICH MAN IS NOW IN A STATE OF TORMENT. THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF HIS RICH LIFE HAS GONE…

23 he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
THOSE STILL CLINGING TO THE OLD COVENANT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE OLD WAYS ARE NOT ENOUGH ANYMORE. THEY LOOK AT THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH WITH ALL THEIR BLESSINGS THAT USED TO BELONG TO THEM, BUT NOW IT SEEMS THEY ARE ENDURING ALL THE HARDSHIPS OF LIFE AND THEY SEE THE PROMISES OF ABRAHAM ENSHRINED IN CHRISTIAN BELIEF, EXPERIENCE AND TEACHING.

24 Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 

THE OLD SACRIFICES NO LONGER APPLY. THE OLD SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM HAS BEEN SUPERCEDED BY THE PERFECT SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST. TO GET RELIEF FROM TROUBLE, THE ONLY WAY TO MERCY, FORGIVENESS AND DELIVERANCE IS NOW THROUGH JESUS CHRIST ALONE.

25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, (TALKING TO ISRAEL) remember that in your lifetime (DURING THE COURSE OF TIME WHEN THE OLD COVENANT EXISTED) you received your good things, (ALL THE PHYSICAL BLESSINGS OF THE OLD COVENANT) and likewise Lazarus evil things; (THE GENTILES HAD NO HOPE, NO KNOWLEDGE AND NO COVENANT WITH GOD AND THEREFORE WERE ALWAYS SUFFERING FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE LAW AND THEIR LACK OF ENLIGHTENMENT) but now he is comforted (BY THE NEW COVENANT) and you are tormented. (BECAUSE YOU HAVE REJECTED THE MESSIAH AND THE NEW COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD).

26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, (NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER UNLESS THE SPIRIT OF GOD DRAW HIM AND NO ONE HAS ACCESS TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH JESUS CHRIST). so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ 

(YOU DONʼT PUT NEW WINE INTO OLD WINE SKINS. YOU CANNOT MIX OIL AND WATER. THE OLD COVENANT TESTIFIED OF JESUS CHRIST. THE NEW COVENANT IS IN JESUS CHRIST. THE OLD COVENANT WAS BASED ON RITUAL AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES. THE NEW COVENANT IS BASED ON FAITH AND RELATIONSHIP.

27 Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house,

A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE JEWISH TEMPLE.

28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them,

ANNAS WAS THE CHIEF HIGH PRIEST AT THIS TIME AND HAD FIVE SONS AND A SON-IN-LAW CALLED CAIAPHAS, WHO ALL, AS IT TURNS OUT, PLAYED A PART IN THE TRIAL OF JESUS. (source: Josephus) lest they also come to this place of torment.’ REMEMBER, THIS PLACE OF TORMENT USED TO BE THEIR HOPE OF DELIVERANCE. THEIR ADHERENCE TO OLD COVENANT PRACTICES, ESPECIALLY THE SACRIFICIAL LAWS, WAS WHAT BROUGHT THEM REDEMPTION. THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD DIED WHEN THE HUSBAND OF THAT RELATIONSHIP DIED. SO GOD IS NO LONGER BOUND TO HONOUR THAT AGREEMENT. THAT COVENANT HAS BEEN SUPERCEDED BY THE NEW COVENANT.

29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’

MOSES AND THE PROPHETS TESTIFIED OF THIS NEW AND BETTER COVENANT, ITS NEW AND BETTER PROMISES…

30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’

31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’

JESUSʼ MIRACLES WERE NOT ENOUGH. REMEMBER HOW THEY REACTED TO LAZARUS RISING FROM THE DEAD? THE TRANSFORMATION OF SOMEONEʼS WAY OF THINKING HAS TO ORIGINATE FROM THE CALLING OF GOD AND THE RECIPIENTʼS WILLING RESPONSE. THE CALLING ITSELF IS AN ACT OF MERCY.

IT IS SO REGRETTABLE THAT FOR GENERATIONS THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAS FORCED AN INTERPRETATION ONTO THIS PARABLE THAT HAS LED TO MISUNDERSTANDING AND CONFUSION. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE USED AS A SUPPORT FOR A DOCTRINE THAT CONSIGNED ALL UNBELIEVERS TO AN ETERNAL EXISTENCE OF CONSCIOUS SUFFERING.

THIS DOCTRINAL ERROR HAS CAUSED MUCH ANGUISH, FEAR AND DESPAIR AND GROSSLY MISREPRESENTED THE TEACHING OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD.



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    • Amminadab

      Very well done.

    • LifeIs

      Good thinking.

    • Damien

      “Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.”

      Why on earth did God make such an odd prohibition? I used to roll my eyes at this one.

      In its ancient context, though, the law had a perfectly logical reasoning. Both the priestly garments and the tabernacle weavings were a combination of wool and linen. The priest’s white undergarment was linen, and the brightly colored vestment was wool. So it was prohibited for laypersons to dress in the same way.

      Other prohibited mixtures had the same rationale. For instance, no one but the priests could blend together aromatic spices to make the combination used in anointing oil (Exodus 30:33). The distinctive fragrance would mark whatever it anointed as holy, set apart for God’s special purposes.

      • Damien

        Why? Because the Israelites were fresh from a polytheistic world and still half-convinced that pagan gods would answer their prayers. They were strongly tempted to set up their own private D-I-Y shrine to offer a few sacrifices on the side. So they were barred from duplicating certain items used in worship.

        We actually have similar laws today. Did you realize that it’s illegal to dress up in a badge and a uniform to impersonate a police officer? The police are authorized to stop a car, break down a door, or handcuff a person — things no one else may do. In the same way, God had given priests the authority to lead worship in his Holy Presence, and they had to be noticeably different from everyone else.

        ——–

        The rich mans clothing does sound like the religious / legal authorities.
        ——

        • maxxy

          …the Illuminatti?

    • magusincognito

      Parables are for the ignorant masses who refuse to place their intellect at the disposal of the spirit. Most are “just curious” and simply want to return to their lives of not caring; satisfying their personal desires at all cost (i.e. get theirs). Those who take in the streams of knowledge/wisdom correctly can do more harm than good by placing truth(s) in the midst of these types. And they take it into their own karma if these idiots screw up. Now, you know why there is a level of secrecy- even if some abuse it. What is required is more people (i.e. there are too many Smiths!) to take on the task. The road to the highest is also the most difficult. Note: this work does not include moving around exoteric pieces.

    • VomitO

      trying to read this is like pulling your own teeth

    • jknbt

      STOP SHOUTING WITH YOUR UPPER CASE TYPE!

    • Pix

      “Because it has been given to YOU to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.”

      Which was the MO of the pagan mystery cults it originated from. People were not told anything unless they were initiated into the cult.

      Try to write without all the rude literary shouting. It’s insulting and hard to read. The idea of writing is to make it a pleasure to read, not a battle. If you can’t be bothered to present your articles in a readable format, why do you expect other people to bother reading it? The truth needs no such help or emphasis that you have to type with the Cap lock on.

      :lol:

    • James Glover

      Apologies to those readers who object to all the CAPS.
      It was used as a way to differentiate between my comments and the actual scriptures quoted.

    • Pix

      There are c7 billion people on Earth, only 2.5 billion of them are Christians, making your headline claim “It’s Taken 1,500 Years to Correct a Terrible Error that Affects Everyone on Earth”, complete and utter codswallop. In reality only a small percent of the population is affected by the lies of the religions. Personally don’t a singe sh*t what codswallop you believe, if has no affect on my life what so ever.

      :lol:

      • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

        If that were true Pix, you wouldn’t fritter and waste the hours away locking horns with everyone on this website who posts anything even marginally connected with the Bible. And ‘whatsoever’ is one word, ya schwantz.

        • Pix

          WALTER

          All that can be said to that stupid claim is; what takes you hours, takes me seconds.

          Don’t tell lies, or ego masturbate at other peoples expense, queer boy Beef Supreme, then Pix won’t have need to turn into a schwantz, ya schmuck.

          :lol:

          • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

            “…takes me seconds.”

            Point conceded. You are masterful at making yourself look a schwarffe Schwap in record time.

        • Pix

          ” And ‘whatsoever’ is one word,”

          No it is not. It is three words that can be spelled as one word, or separately, or with hyphens.

          Spelling variations: What so ever. Whatsoever. What-soever. What-so-ever. Take your pick. I prefer the full Queens English version, not the slang Americanese version, you ignoramus. This name calling game is fun, do you wanna play some more, me ole schmucker?

          :lol:

          • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

            The old form of the suffix is -soever, as in whatsoever. It is not slang, ya hooplehead. It is proper English.

            “…wanna play some more, me ole schmucker?

            Sure.

            Four-flusher. Masquerader. Dissimulator.

            Did I score?

            • maxxy

              …Walter….It looks like you have hit another nail squarely. Look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and re-read any of the posts by ‘the pix’. You will probably come to the conclusion I have, about his/her condition. Apparently, this aberration is rarely, if ever, recognized by it’s victims….which makes sense when you figure in the “ego” angle. One’s got to have a healthy opinion of oneself, to get along in this ‘fallen’ world, but, like most everything ‘haters’ do, pix has taken it well beyond anything that could be called beneficial, to himself or anyone else….and doesn’t much care either way….ask him.
              As long as NPD sufferers remain convinced of the legitimacy of their own conclusions and opinions, they stay, relatively, in control of seriously challenged sanity.
              Pix’s attitude is absolutely defensive in nature. He’s actually scared to death, and in search of only those facts that support what he see’s as his own peculiar path to salvation. Kind of sounds like any “religion”, don’t it?

      • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

        Who uses words like that…? :lol:

        “In reality only a small percent of the population is affected by the lies of the religions.”

        Yeah the inverse percent are affected by the truths of religions.

        :lol:

        • Pix

          they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

          “Yeah the inverse percent are affected by the truths of religions.”

          Such as? What you mean things like ‘we come in peace, shoot to kill’?

          :lol:

          • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

            “Such as”

            To say that there are no absolutes, is an absolute statement.

    • James Glover

      The reason why this affects “everyone on Earth” is because Christian leaders have gone around the world telling people that if they don’t repent they will go to hell when they die.
      And they use this parable to justify that position because they’ve misunderstood it.
      So unbelievers don’t go to hell when they die, but they will have very severe problems in THIS life if they don’t accept the grace being offered to them.
      More on this subject at: godintercedes.com

      • Pix

        James Glover “The reason why this affects “everyone on Earth” is because Christian leaders have gone around the world telling people that if they don’t repent they will go to hell when they die.”

        I can only use myself as an example. I don’t believe a single word you folks claim, because I know you are lying for a fact. So why would you think the things your religion claims will affect me or anyone else? You are assuming authority when all you have is arrogance.

        There are two types of religious folks:
        1. The folks who are only interested in the subject for the subjects sake, it’s a personal thing.
        2. The folks who are only interested in subjecting it onto everyone else, it’s a political thought and belief intolerant dictatorship thing.

        From my point of view it’s just a question of which group do you belong to. The first is genuine the latter is not.

      • Pix

        “So unbelievers don’t go to hell when they die, but they will have very severe problems in THIS life if they don’t accept the grace being offered to them.”

        That my friend, is just plain stupid. I deny the existence of your god, there can be no grace involved with such an interfering mass murdering barbarian suffering from narcissistic schizophrenic personality disorder as the Biblical deity.

        I’m living the life of luxury, no problems in my life what so ever. In fact I’m so successful I have way more than I need to have everything in my live, so I give 90% of my income to a charity for the disabled, basically sponsoring disabled people to live as normal a life as possible. So WTF are you insinuating, what problems, I don’t even have little ones, let alone severe ones?

        :lol:

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          “I give 90% of my income to a charity for the disabled…”

          You posted this mere minutes after you accused me of being an ‘ego masturbator’ above.

          How you cram so much egregious hypocrisy into such a small space makes one marvel.

          • Pix

            The truth is what it is. Sorry you have a problem with it being used as an example of me not having any problems.

            One can only hope you’ll eventually get over yourself.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Truth could rear its head and take a bite out of your latissimus dorsi…

              …and you’d be no closer to identifying it than you are now.

              Truth is an alien species to you.

            • Pix

              BEEF SUPREME with the porn star name WALTER.

              “Truth is an alien species to you.”

              Well then, if that’s the case it won’t be a problem for you in quoting all the lies I tell. But you can’t, all you can do is ‘bear false witness against thy neighbor’ and call me puerile names. Every time I speak with you, you prove disbelief in the thing you claim to believe.. what does that make you?

              :lol:

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Fair.

              Give me your name and address. I will then vet your lies — I mean your claims — about yourself.

              And if I’m wrong, you’ll find I’m man enough to apologize.

            • Pix

              BEEF SUPREME with the porn star name Walter

              “Give me your name and address. I will then vet your lies — I mean your claims — about yourself.”

              I don’t do private discussions about public accusations. Put up on BIN for all to see, or STFU you liar.

              :wink:

            • Pix

              BEEF SUPREME

              “And if I’m wrong, you’ll find I’m man enough to apologize.”.

              But you’re not a man, you’re BINs queer boy BEEF SUPREME.

              “Four-flusher. … Did I score?” Nope, it’s an empty bluff in Poker, not an insult. There is nothing wrong with giving an alternative interpretation than your’s. Stop pretending you speak the truth when all you are doing is guessing.

              :lol:

          • Pix

            “You posted this mere minutes after you accused me of being an ‘ego masturbator’ above.”

            So what?.. if the shoe fits. I’m also reading and marking essays at the same time, it’s called multi tasking. Presumably that makes me Satan personified in your eyes… so in the words of Bender.. “bite my shiny metal A$$, meat bag”.

            :lol:

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              A professor who watches and quotes cartoons?

              (I had to look up your quip to see who the hell Bender was and why he had a metal azz.)

              Of all the quotes you could have chosen…

              Impuissant.

            • Pix

              WALTER “A professor who watches and quotes cartoons?”

              Yes, I have a life, a family and grandkids. They love Bender and I forget nothing.. thus quotes come easily.. If you have to know every detail about my life otherwise you’re going to turn it into some devious plot against you. You are pathetic.

              Impuissant? You’re talking about yourself again. You believing your chain is being yanked by a giant invisible magic being and or it’s side kick the talking snake. I have no such limitations, I am fully self reliant and empowered.

              Not very good at this, are you?

              :lol:

    • James Glover

      Hi pix
      I think its amazing that you have chosen to be so generous in your gifts to the disabled. So it comes as no surprise that life has been relatively good to you, it’s called the law of reciprocity… Do unto others, etc.
      But having such empathy for the suffering of others must make you curious about the healing miracles reported in the Bible when the disabled were made whole instantly.
      Your response will doubtless be: “I’ll believe it when I see it.”
      Well……… Keep your eyes open.

      • Pix

        My life would be just the same even if I didn’t give any money away. It was perfect before I decided I’ve enough, so how can you claim it’s karma?

        I teach the origins and historical context of religious dogma to theology undergrads, I know it’s a lie as a fact. I know the origins of Jesus are from the pagan mystery cults Mithraism and Dionysus. And so do the students by the time they graduate. Amazing that not a single one of them who go on to become preachers, mention the origin of the story they are earning a soft cushy living from the backs of other peoples belief, dont you think? Try opening your own eyes.

        :wink:

      • Pix

        And before you get the wrong impression. I believe’ you have the right to practice your religion’. I really don’t care what you believe. But you do not have the right to make out other people are deviant or subhuman for disagreeing or believing something else, or nothing at all.

        Having empathy is not particular to the religious or even humans. Other creatures also demonstrate empathy. Give me a qualified doctor, thanks all the same, a belief in your deity would mean it all knowingly sees fit to starve c10’000 innocent kids to death every single day, for example. Presumably because it’s too busy making sure Americans get the latest IPhone.

        The reality of our situation and the biblical story are at complete odds with each other. We are all knowingly created as flawed monkeys, living on an all knowingly created flawed world with a million and one ways of ending our lives before our time, while IT sit’s idly by watching in it’s all knowing state as theist and atheist alike die in the most appalling ways. But IT expects perfection or else… It would be more evil than all the demons you could imagine, combined.

        I would suggest you actually read the bible, instead of assuming and cherry picking. You are under the misconception that it has nice qualities, when it’s an evil manipulative bastard. EG Exodus, where IT sends in Moses to ask Pharaoh to let his people go and where IT then screws with Pharaoh so he wont. IT then inflicts all the plagues of Egypt and murders all their first born. Go and actually read it, and then get back to me.

        • James Glover

          So you agree that life is a living hell for most people on this planet who are affected by the decisions of powerful minoritys.
          People are enslaved to a mind-set created by experience and the teaching of man-made opinions and superstition. They are also enslaved by their appetites and emotions.
          They are also enslaved by fear of death, fear of loss, fear of the future.
          Human nature is driven by fear, lust, greed, vanity and selfishness.
          What the Bible encapsulates in a single word: Sin
          And suffering humanity, animals sea-life and the rest of creation will remain in that state until their relationship with their Creator has been restored.
          For every individual, that restoration begins and ends with Jesus Christ who took it all upon Himself to set us free by paying the penalty for our sins for us.
          Everyone, and I do mean everyone including Pharoah, will be given that chance in this life or the next.

          • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

            Mr. Glover,

            Since you’re new here, you should be made aware that Pix isn’t. He’s been here in excess of six years now, selling the same tired lies and learning nothing. The lies Pix sells haven’t even changed a bit – as in strengthened or become more refined – in that time.

            Pix has been challenged to put his money where his mouth is. That is, rather, to accept my money (ten thousand USD) if he can prove what he says about Jesus being based on Mithras, or on anything or anyone else.

            The best Pix has been able to do is cough up a few quotes from modern encyclopedias. And he thinks that should do the trick. But we’ve explained to Pix dozens of times, that in order to make his case he needs to produce evidence older than New Testament Scripture. Pix feigns an inability to comprehend such a simple requirement for demonstrating the legitimacy of his claims.

            Pix is a self-worshipper and little else besides. He flatly refuses to meet any of us squarely in a theological debate before the contributors of this website. But he has no problem trading pointless jabs. That he will do with impunity and enthusiasm. Just don’t ask him to defend his defenseless position regarding New Testament Scripture and its origin.

            Pix will also lie and pretend he has produced the asked for evidence in the past. But he hasn’t. He posts the thoughts of men who have lived, at best, hundreds of years after Messiah walked in the land. Pix has nothing to show. But Pix will not reconsider his stance because he is far too infatuated with his espoused fiction.

    • freedom007

      @ Pix, this Mr Glover here endeavours to liberate the Christian community from the phantom fear of Eternal Hellfire – why do you take his article as an opportunity for insulting religion as a whole,
      disrespectfully ignoring that you got a man of Good Will before you?
      There are religious people of Good Will and Atheists of Good Will.
      Both have one thing in common: they know where to keep from mocking and to show some Respect!
      If you really give most of your income to the Disabled, why are you so blind for the good that others do?

      @ Walter, it may be fun to have a nice little insulting duel with Mr Pix, but why dont you do this by some private message mode? It only strengthens the disrespectful tendency of someone like Pix to react, in the public, to his obscenities by using words of the same kind. you seem to be an intelligent man, don´t fuel such ape-like and vile behavior patterns, they have already become so strong in WWW and daily life that it is hard to remain sane! By the way, I learned some American obscene words here that were new to me… well, this was a bit of fun, but what I intended when I opened the article was to read something about the Gospel and not about a schwantz.

      Thank you Mr Glover for your article. There have been many biblical scholars who found plausible reasons why there can be no Eternal Hellfire, no matter what some parables told by Jesus say… and among the “gentiles” whom you think, from a biblical view, to be so poor off, is the large community of Hindus, the religious tradition of which also tells us that there is something like an universal reconciliation and no eternal damnation – although their ideas about God(s) and the Beyond are very different from the biblical view.
      See, this Gentile tradition seems to be rich in wisdom and grace, perhaps even richer than the biblical Old Testament tradition.

      But you are right: Jesus wished to do away with the whole Old Testament
      - no matter if you mean the Jewish version, or the versions of the Gentiles (Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Hindus…) -
      and to give us something wholly new.
      what remained of it two millennia later? almost nothing.
      the fragments in New Testament of what He really meant are insufficient,
      we can no longer understand His real doctrine,
      we only know
      that it does away with ritual duties, burnt offerings, etc.,
      that it does not need a temple or ordained priests (every baptised man was allowed to mission, to baptise, to invite other believers to prayer meetings, and to do the Bread-Breaking, which later became the Eucharist ritual)
      that the Sermon on the Mountain was one of its mainstays (but other mainstays must have been lost, or rather extinguished from the Gospel by self-named priests or popes some generations after Jesus)
      that the golden Rule and the Lord´s Prayer were part of its core, at least at the time when the Four Gospels were written,
      and that its fruit if correctly practised was that the believer became able to do healings and other miracles and to fearlessly resist to the threats of death, torture and prison, as documented in the Acts of the Apostles.

      Christians of today no longer work miracles, they rather work havoc; why?
      Because we no longer have the whole true Gospel, and we can´t do anything about it, it has been lost.
      I, too, wait day and night for Jesus to come back, to finally bring back his true doctrine and to heal our souls.
      what to do till He comes? Practise the Golden Rule, be a person of Good Will, and hope for Mercy, thats all.

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