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The Deity & Messiahship of Jesus, Lord of All: Jesus Is God - The Word of God Is Clear (Video) OYEP

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The Deity & Messiahship of Jesus, Lord of All: Jesus is God – The Word of God is Clear

 

13 Oct 15

 

Many question the deity of Jesus, the Messiah-ship of Jesus, the name of Jesus, the sacrifice of Jesus… this broadcast puts an end to all of that! We give you detailed scripture confirming that the Word clearly declares the Lord is GOD, the Lord is Jesus Christ.

A must hear and forward! 



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    • MikeSavage

      If Jesus is God, to whom did Jesus pray?
      Who sent Jesus?
      How can Jesus be greater than himself?
      Who begat Jesus, himself? Impossible.
      Why did Jesus say “your God and my God?”
      Why did Jesus say that no one knows but the father?
      Since no man has seen God and lived, why didn’t anyone seeing Jesus die?
      Since God has no beginning or end, how can Jesus be the firstborn of all creation?
      Who resurrected Jesus, himself? Impossible.

      God Is One, Not Three
      THE Bible teaching that God is one is called monotheism. And L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: “The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there . . . is utterly without foundation.”
      Was there any change from monotheism after Jesus came to the earth? Paine answers: “On this point there is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed, but not a new theology. . . . And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one God.’”

      Not a Plural God
      JESUS called God “the only true God.” (John 17:3) Never did he refer to God as a deity of plural persons. That is why nowhere in the Bible is anyone but Jehovah called Almighty. Otherwise, it voids the meaning of the word “almighty.” Neither Jesus nor the holy spirit is ever called that, for Jehovah alone is supreme. At Genesis 17:1 he declares: “I am God Almighty.” And Exodus 18:11 says: “Jehovah is greater than all the other gods.”

      Jesus a Separate Creation
      WHILE on earth, Jesus was a human, although a perfect one because it was God who transferred the life-force of Jesus to the womb of Mary. (Matthew 1:18-25) But that is not how he began. He himself declared that he had “descended from heaven.” (John 3:13) So it was only natural that he would later say to his followers: “What if you should see the Son of man [Jesus] ascend to where he was before?”—John 6:62, NJB.
      Thus, Jesus had an existence in heaven before coming to the earth. But was it as one of the persons in an almighty, eternal triune Godhead? No, for the Bible plainly states that in his prehuman existence, Jesus was a created spirit being, just as angels were spirit beings created by God. Neither the angels nor Jesus had existed before their creation.

      • Truthseeker

        big mike the JW

        1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word —WAS — God.

        2 The same was in the beginning with God.

        3 All things were made BY him; and — without him — was not any thing made that was made.

        4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

        big mike please show me how you twist this up in to a pretzel????

        • HereAmI

          The Lord Jesus Christ is the Word of God; the Agent through Whom the Father created all things. He declares a Father Whom no man has seen; a Father Who is greater than He, a Father to Whom He prayed.
          He it is Who descended on the mountain, and Who spoke to Moses face to face. Before His incarnation, He was YHVH.
          We know this, as His name, from the four Hebrew letters, means “Behold the hand, Behold the nail”.
          This is the death blow to the JWs, who are funded by the jews to judaize Christianity.
          The scripture says “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son Which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him”.
          Nowhere does it say that no man has seen God and lived; this is ridiculous, as it implies that God would first make the mistake of letting someone see Him, and would then have to kill them.
          The scripture says that no man may see God ( the Father ) and live; which is a different proposition altogether.
          And it is extremely difficult to make the case that God is a single personal Being, when the word for God, as given, is plural.
          Thus we have the Father and the Son, and the Spirit, which is not personal, but a messenger which declares the Son.

          • MikeSavage

            HereAmI;
            Death blow to God’s witnesses? No “death blow” to those who witness for God, AS HE COMMANDED ALL TO DO, is even possible. God said that when His people are attacked in the tribulation, it’s as though someone put a stick in His eye, and Armageddon begins. That being said, God’s witnesses aren’t funded by anyone, except those witnesses who voluntarily donate money, anonymously. Your information is faulty. Yes, it says in the scriptures that no man can see God and live. It isn’t a difficult thing to make the case that God is a single person, because He Himself makes that case, hundreds of times in His inspired word. You don’t seem to have very muich knowledge of the scriptures at all. It does seem as though what you claim to know, comes from others, and from religions, all of which the scriptures say are false and works of the flesh.

        • MikeSavage

          Truthseeker;
          1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
          A god is not the same as “was God”. Yes, many things are gods in the scriptures that are not Jehovah God. God Almighty (meaning only one God who is the absolute mightiest).

          Other Bible translations drop all use of the indefinite article “a” and insert the definite article before the word “beginning” and drop the definite article “the” before God. For example, the King James or Authorized Version reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”—John 1:1, 2.

          However, in its interlinear word-for-word rendering, The Kingdom Interlinear Translation reads: “In beginning was the Word, and the Word was toward the God, and god was the Word. This (one) was in beginning toward the God.” From this literal reading it is apparent that the writer, the apostle John, is speaking of two individuals and is showing that the one who was with the Other is different from that Other One. Hence the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures endeavors to show this difference and, with grammatical correctness and doctrinal correctness, it reads: “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in [the] beginning with God.” To avoid saying “a, god,” other Bible translations like An American Translation and the one by Dr. James Moffatt say “divine”; and The New English Bible—New Testament says “what God was,” that is to say, “what God was, the Word was.” Thus even these Bible translations cannot be used to prove the Trinity doctrine.

          Trinitarians have no grounds for complaining against this use of “a” before “god,” because all other Bible translations use the indefinite articles “a” and “an” hundreds of times before words although they are nowhere found in the original Greek text. Not only that, but those translations repeatedly insert the definite article “the” before certain words where it does not occur in the Greek. Take, for example, many cases of the word “spirit” or the words “holy spirit.” There are cases in the Greek text where the definite article “the” does not occur before those words. But the Trinitarian translators will slant their translation by inserting a “the” before “spirit” or “holy spirit,” to make it read “the spirit” and “the holy spirit.” In such cases they will also capitalize the word “Spirit” in order to give the reader the impression that it refers to some intelligent person, the Third Person of some Trinity.

          So who twists this up into a pretzel? Originally the text read different from what your KJV reads. Constantine, and later King James and his parliament REWROTE scripture to suit their needs. You are defending men’s words, not God’s. Did men create the universe, or God? Did men inspire the writers of scripture to write them, or did God? I choose to believe God rather than men. You, however, choose to believfe men instead of God. No trinity exists except in pagan religions, worshiping made up, non-existent gods. Malachi 2:10 “Do we not all have one father? Was it not one God who created us?
          1 Corinthians *:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
          Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
          1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

          If you were correct, then hundreds of other scriptures are WRONG. And since NOT ONE SCRIPTURE IS WRONG, then your understanding must be faulty. ALL SCRIPTURES must harmonize with ALL OTHER scriptures. If they don’t then you are misunderstanding one or more scriptures. There are no mistakes, no contradictions, and no mysteries, save those yet to be revealed in Revelation, in the scriptures. The mistake is yours. Not God’s

          • Scanner Darko

            Savage, what would you like to answer for:

            …Your admission that the occultists from your church have changed the Bible to fit their agenda?

            …Or your straight plagiarism to answer a question that you yourself are unprepared to answer?

            http://jehovah.to/exe/translation/interlinear.htm

            • MikeSavage

              Scanner;
              You are a fool, and I don’t want to answer you. However, I have no church, and those who witness for God are not occultists. The Bible wasn’t changed to fit “our” agenda. We didn’t change it at all. We restored it. Plagiarism? You’re daft.

          • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

            I guess crediting your sources is beneath you Savage?

            Next time you have a point to make, try sounding a little less like you swiped all of your material from some other ‘thinker.’

            Here, I’ll credit the source for you:

            - November 15, 1969 Watchtower, WTB&TS

            • MikeSavage

              Walter;
              No information or advice from you has any value whatsoever.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Was that a denial that you in fact STOLE the material in question?

              Don’t be stupid, Savage.

              I’ll just post a link.

              And anyone who wants to can Google your stolen material, just like I did.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              You know what, liar…

              Here’s a link anyway. Here’s a fella who has the INTEGRITY to actually quote his sources.

              Thief.

              http://pastorrussell.blogspot.com/2010/05/kingdom-interlinear-translation.html

              A man has to go a long way to find someone who lies MORE than you do, Savage.

            • MikeSavage

              Walter;
              You truly are a fool and an idiot. How can I steal what is freely given to me? Why don’t you go crawl back under the rock you came out from under. As a servant of Satan, you belong there.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Devoid of integrity, Savage. That’s you.

              Carry on.

            • MikeSavage

              No Walter, it is you who are devoid of things. Those things are brain cells.

          • Truthseeker

            savage

            LOL

          • Amminadab

            GOD

            #2. The eternal Godhead consists of Three Living Persons- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit or Ghost. These three beings are eternal. It is in the name of God- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit- that those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these three separate powers will cooperate in changing the character of the obedient subjects to reflect their own. (Gen. 1:26; Isa. 48:16; Matt. 1:23; 3:16, 17; 28:19; John 8:58; 18:5, 6; 14:26; 15:26; Acts 5:3, 4; 10:38; 17:22-29; 2 Cor. 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; Heb. 9:14; 1 Peter 1:2).

            THE FATHER

            #3. Our heavenly Father, the first Person of the Godhead, is a personal, spiritual Being, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal; infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; and is unchangeable. The qualities and powers exhibited in the Son and the Holy Spirit are also revelations of the Father. (Gen. 1:1; Mal. 3:6; John 3:16; 14:9; 1 Cor. 8:5,6; 15:28; Eph. 3:9; 4:6; 1 Tim. 1:17; 1 John 4:8; Jer. 10:10-12; Heb. 1:1-3)

            THE SON

            #4. Jesus Christ, the second person of the Godhead, the eternal Son of God, Who created all things in co-operation with His Father, and the Holy Spirit, is fully divine. He took upon Himself man’s fallen nature from the seed of Abraham; He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary therefore fully human, yet never sinned at any time, and is the only Saviour from sin. He lived and experienced temptation as any other human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place (ending the handwriting of ordinances and feasts which were shadows of this grand event), was raised from the dead, and ascended to minister in the heavenly sanctuary in our behalf. All judgment has been given unto Him. Man’s salvation is by grace through faith in Him and He will return a second time in glory for the final deliverance of His people. Jesus is known by many names in Scripture, not one of which is to be used exclusively when addressing the Saviour who reads the intentions of the heart. (Ex. 3:14; 1 Chr. 28:9; Ps. 44:21; Matt. 28:18,19; John 1:1-3, 14; 3:16; 5:22; 8:58; 10:30; 14:1-3; Micah 5:2; Matt. 1:21-23; 2:5, 6; 12:34-37; Luke 1:35; Acts 4:10-12; Col. 1:15-19; 2:14; 1 John 5:11,12; Eph. 1:9-15; 2:4-8; Rom. 3:23-26; 5:17; 6:23; 8:27; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; 2 Cor. 5:17-21; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 1; 2; 4:14,15; 7:25; 8:1-3; 9:28; 11:3; 1 Peter 2:21; Rev. 21; 22:20)

            THE HOLY SPIRIT

            #5. The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead, is Christ’s representative on earth, and leads sinners to repentance and to obedience of all God’s requirements. He is the Comforter who guides us into all truth and convicts us of sin. He was active with the Father and the Son in creation, incarnation, and redemption. He inspired the writers of Scripture and safeguards it. He filled Christ’s life with power and those who respond to Jesus, He will renew and transform into His image. He gives spiritual gifts to the body of Christ (the church), empowering them to bear witness for Jesus. (Gen 1:1, 2; Matt. 28:18,19; Luke 1:35; 4:18; John 3:5; 14:16-18, 26; 15:26, 27; 16:7-15; Acts 1:8; 10:38; Rom. 1:1-4; 1 Cor. 2:10; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:30; Heb. 9:14; 2 Peter 1:21)

            • MikeSavage

              Amminadab;
              You are committing the one sin that the scriptures say is unforgiveable, greiving the spirit.

        • MikeSavage

          UNTruthseeker;
          God created, first hand, only one thing. Jesus, His SON. Through Jesus, God created, using holy spirit, all other things. You are misunderstanding scripture again. And how can someone be WITH himself? That’s insane. One cannot beget ones self. One cannot pray to ones self, one cannot send ones self. One cannot agree with ones self. One cannot resurrect ones self. One cannot go to “my God and your God” if that God is yourself. How can you go to yourself? You don’t make a bit of sense. You believe the lies of Athanasius and the lies of the pagan religions of Christendom (all sects/denominations). You refuse to believe the word of God. You have made your choice as to whom to worship and it’s not God the Almighty.

      • Greybeard

        and no Jehovah is not supreme, like he said I AM is god almighty

        and again you add jesus to scripture altering the words of god, why the brackets, added see!!!

        that he would later say to his followers: “What if you should see the Son of man [Jesus]

        son of man in truth is the Sun of Man!!!!!!!

        • MikeSavage

          Graybeard;
          Jehovah is God’s personal name he gave to Israel to use, and He commanded them to use that name. They later rejected using His personal name, and then a little later His title which is God. Yes, Jehovah God IS supreme. He is the one and the only God, creator, and sovereign of the entire universe. To claim otherwise does make you His enemy you know. The son of man is NOT the sun of man you pagan.

          • Scanner Darko

            When/where did God give the name Jehovah to Israel?

            What language used the “J” in the days of ancient Israel?

            • MikeSavage

              Scanner;
              I do not wish to respond to you since you have behaved very childishly, and you choose to persecute God’s people, and therefore God.

            • Scanner Darko

              I never expect an answer from you because you never have one.

              If you feel persecuted by me then you have the spine of a jellyfish.

          • Greybeard

            yes and you are all in for a big shock then,i’m not the one being a pagan
            and it truly is the Sun of Man, you should go read all the scriptures not one piece why is it the bible only has bits and pieces from certain scripture, why did the Catholics storm the world, burning and killing anyone with any form of enlightenment, so you could be kept in the dark?? under their control, why is it then they locked every bit of divine scripture they could find in a place your not allowed to see??? and why lock it away???? if their bible is truth??????

            you are indeed the brainwashed close minded pagan, ready to do the dirty work of your god??? so if it needs you then not much of a god then is it?????

          • Greybeard

            i did not say jesus was God, quite the opposite, his father is the Sun of man, yes religion has bastardized scripture, but then if you look at their perspective, if an enlighten one does evolve and you want to keep a tight rein on your power then it would be easy to falsify scripture so that if anyone comes forward then the mass’s would kill because it is not jesus??? and they keep their hands clean????? so as you have said religions has altered things, so, what if Satan is the one who leads you out of the dark and religions want him dead so as not to loose power????

            and anti- christ is someone against enlightenment
            Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus the carpenter, didn’t have clan names then, so where did Christ came from?????

            • CrowPie

              Gen 1:1 (NKJV) “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (But the New Testament says of Jesus.) Col 1:15-17 (NKJV) “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.” (Also) John 1:2-3 (NKJV) “He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Jesus is the same God that created all things for we know that there is only one God.) Isa 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.

              In Genesis God created man in his own image, but notice how when God speaks He says in our image. Who was He talking to? Gen 1:26-27 (NKJV) “Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” (He couldn’t have been talking to the angels because we were made a little lower than the angels.) Psa 8:4-5 (NKJV) “What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? 5 For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor.”

              (There is only one conclusion and that is that He was communicating with the Godhead, the Father ,the Son, and the Holy Spirit. in Who’s image we were made. Jesus Christ Who is the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form.) Col 2:8-9 (NKJV) “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;”

              Isa 9:6 (NKJV) “For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” (Since when was God the Father ever a child!)

              1 John 5:7 (NKJV) “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.” (In John we find out exactly Who this Word is.) John 1:1-5 (NKJV) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.” 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”

              John 3:13 (NKJV) “”No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.” Only God who is omnipresent could have made this statement. Can Jesus being just a man have been on Earth and yet in Heaven at the same time?

              This verse Speaks for itself, John 14:5-9 (NKJV) “Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. 7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” 8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”

              John 20:27-29 (NKJV) “Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”" (If Jesus wasn’t God how could He let Thomas call Him “My Lord and My God”, shouldn’t He have rebuked him?)

              John 10:27-33 (NKJV) “”My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 “And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 “I and My Father are one.” 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”" (This was the same reason the Jews sought to have Him killed. Because He claimed to be God)

              John 8:56-59 (NKJV) “”Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” 59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.” (The Jews knew their scriptures and they knew exactly what Jesus was saying when He said “before Abraham was I AM.” There was only one I AM and that is what God Himself told Moses that His Name was.) Exo 3:13-14 (NKJV) “Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”"

              One thing that seperates the one true God from all the other false gods that are worshiped is prophecy. God in the Old Testement said in. Isa 44:8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.” He goes on to say in Isa 41:21-24 “Present your case,” says the LORD. “Bring forth your strong reasons,” says the King of Jacob. “Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; Let them show the former things, what they were, That we may consider them, And know the latter end of them; Or declare to us things to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter, That we may know that you are gods; Yes, do good or do evil, That we may be dismayed and see it together. Indeed you are nothing, And your work is nothing; He who chooses you is an abomination. Again He says in Isa 42:9 (KJV) “Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.” Yet Jesus Used the same expression, (Prophecy) to show he is this same I AM. The very same proof that God in the Old Testement used to prove that there is no other God like Him. Jesus said in John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he. (he) being in italics in the KJV so in other words that ye may believe that I AM. The very same I AM that spoke to Moses on Mount Siani.

              God the fathers name in the old testament is Jehovah.

              Isa 41:4 (NKJV) “Who has performed and done it, Calling the generations from the beginning? ‘I, the LORD, am the first; And with the last I am He.’”"

              Isa 44:6 (NKJV) “”Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.”

              Isa 48:12 (NKJV) “”Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.”

              Rev 1:11 (NKJV) “saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”"

              Rev 1:17-18 (NKJV) “And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.”

              Rev 2:8 (NKJV) “”And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:”

              Rev 22:13 (NKJV) “”I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”"

              Isa 33:22 (NKJV) “(For the LORD is our Judge, The LORD is our Lawgiver, The LORD is our King; He will save us);”

              Psa 50:6 (NKJV) “Let the heavens declare His righteousness, For God Himself is Judge. Selah”

              2 Tim 4:1 (NKJV) “I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:”

              Psa 23:1 (NKJV) “The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.”

              Jesus is also called Shepard

              John 10:11 (NKJV) “”I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.”

              Jesus is also called The LIGHT

              Psa 27:1 (NKJV) “The LORD is my light and my salvation; Whom shall I fear? The LORD is the strength of my life; Of whom shall I be afraid?”

              Micah 7:8 (NKJV) “Do not rejoice over me, my enemy; When I fall, I will arise; When I sit in darkness, The LORD will be a light to me.”

              John 8:12 (NKJV) “Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”"

              Jesus is also KING

              Psa 47:7 (NKJV) “For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with understanding.”

              Isa 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, The Creator of Israel, your King.”

              Isa 33:22 (NKJV) “(For the LORD is our Judge, The LORD is our Lawgiver, The LORD is our King; He will save us);”

              Isa 44:6 (NKJV) “”Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.”

              Mat 27:37 (NKJV) “And they put up over His head the accusation written against Him: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.”

              John 19:21 (NKJV) “Therefore the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but, ‘He said, “I am the King of the Jews.”‘ “”

              Rev 17:14 (NKJV) “”These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”"

              John 12:15 (NKJV) “”Fear not, daughter of Zion; Behold, your King is coming, Sitting on a donkey’s colt.”"

              Jesus is LORD OF LORDS

              Deu 10:17 (NKJV) “”For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.”

              Rev 17:14 (NKJV) “”These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”"

              SAVIOR

              Isa 43:11 (NKJV) “I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior.”

              Hosea 13:4 “Yet I am the LORD your God Ever since the land of Egypt, And you shall know no God but Me; For there is no Savior besides Me.

              Isa 45:21-22 (NKJV) “Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. 22 “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.”

              Titus 1:3 (NKJV) “but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior;”

              Titus 2:10 (NKJV) “not pilfering, but showing all good fidelity, that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in all things.”

              Luke 2:11 (NKJV) “”For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.”

              1 John 4:14 (NKJV) “And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.”

              Titus 1:4 (NKJV) “To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.”

              Titus 2:13 (NKJV) “looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,”

              Acts 4:10-12 (NKJV) “”let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 “This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”"

              Jesus is WORSHIPPED

              *Mat 4:10 (NKJV) “Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”"

              Rev 19:10 (NKJV) “And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”"

              Heb 1:6 (NKJV) “But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”"

              Rev 5:11-14 (NKJV) “Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!” 13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!” 14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshipped Him who lives forever and ever.”

              Jesus our ROCK

              Deu 32:4 (NKJV) “He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.”

              Deu 32:18 (NKJV) “Of the Rock who begot you, you are unmindful, And have forgotten the God who fathered you.”

              1 Sam 2:2 (NKJV) “”No one is holy like the LORD, For there is none besides You, Nor is there any rock like our God.”

              1 Cor 10:4 (NKJV) “and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.”

              Try to comprehend what God is saying here about Jesus it will blow you away

              Heb 1:1-13 (NKJV) “God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”? 6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” 7 And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.” 8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 10 And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11 They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; 12 Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.” 13 But to which of the angels has He ever said: “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?”

              If You know anybody that can explain the nature of God, and how that the Three are One, I would love to meet them. We are just to believe what the Bible says who He is in faith. God from the very beginning was a Godhead and that is the way he will always be. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. {Check Acts 17:29, Rom 1:20, Col 2:9} The only analogy I can think to describe the nature of God is in that of water. Just as water in nature is H20 but yet comes in three forms (water, ice, and steam) it never ceases being H20. The Triune Godhead is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Each one never ceasing to be God in His fullness. The Godhead is something that is clearly seen throughout scripture. It might be hard to comprehend that three can at the same time be one, but that is something that we just have to except in faith. Just the same way we except in faith that God in six days created the universe and on the seventh day rested.

              1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

            • CrowPie

              Greybeard,

              “you should go read all the scriptures not one piece why is it the bible only has bits and pieces from certain scripture, ”

              I took your advice. My large comment is a compilation of all the verses in the bible related to the subject. I worked carefully not to miss any……

              I do hope you take the time to study it carefully and take it to heart.

      • Amminadab

        THE THREE PERSONS

        OF THE GODHEAD

        The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct, divine Personages. Yet they work in such perfect unity that their objectives and activities are as one.

        The following passages will provide you with a view of the interworking of these three distinct Persons:

        THE GODHEAD IN THE BIBLE

        1 Several times in the Old Testament, God speaks of Himself as “Us.” Note Genesis 1:26, where the ones who do the creating of man are plural. Created beings do not create, so the “Us” can only refer to the Godhead. Also see Genesis 11:7.

        2 Elohim is one of the Old Testament words for “God.” This Hebrew word is a plural (“Gods,” not “God”). Jewish scholars have never been able to explain this fact.

        3 The Angel of Jehovah is mentioned several times in the Old Testament. This Angel is not only identified with the Father, but is also distinguished from Him. Thus, we find here a reference to two persons of the Godhead (Gen 16:7-13;18:1-21; 19:1-28; Mal 3:1).

        4 In a similar manner, the Word, or Wisdom, is personified, indicating a divine duality (Ps 33:4, 6; Prov 8:12-31).

        5 Still elsewhere, God is the speaker, and He mentions both the Messiah and the Spirit or, the Messiah is the speaker who mentions both God and the Spirit (Isa 48:16; 61:1).

        6 In the New Testament we find a clearer revelation of the Godhead. In the Old Testament, the Redeemer and Saviour is Jehovah (Job 19:25; Ps 78:35; 106:21; Isa 41:14; 43:3, 11, 14; 47:4; 49:7, 26; 60:16). In the New Testament, this individual is clearly Jesus (Matt 1:21; Lk 1:76-79; 2:17; Jn 4:42; Gal 3:13; 4:5; Titus 2:13-14).

        7 In the Old Testament, it is Jehovah that dwells among Israel and in the hearts of those that fear Him (Ps 135:21; Isa 8:18; 57:15; Eze 43:7-9; Joel 3:17-21; Zech 2:10-11). In the New Testament, it is the Holy Spirit that dwells among Gods people (Rom 8:9; 11:1 Cor 3:17; Gal 4:6; Eph 2:22; James 4:5; 57:15; Eze 43:7-9; Joel 3:17-21; Zech 2:10-11). In the New Testament, it is the Holy Spirit that dwells among Gods people (Eph 2:22; James 4:5). [We are not here defining whom all the "Jehovah" passages refer to.]

        8 The New Testament represents God as sending His Son into the world (Jn 3:16; Gal 4:4; Heb 1:6; 1 Jn 4:9).

        9 In the New Testament, both the Father and the Son send the Spirit (Jn 14:26; 15:26; 16:7; Gal 4:6).

        10 The Father speaks to the Son (Mk 1:11; Lk 3:22).

        11 The Son communes with the Father (Matt 11:25-26; 26:39; Jn 11:41; 12:27-28).

        12 The Holy Spirit intercedes for believers, and through them prays to God (Rom 8:26).

        13 The Father speaks from heaven at the baptism of the Son, and the Holy Spirit descends in the form of a dove (Matt 3:16-17).

        14 In the Great Commission, Jesus mentions the three Persons (Matt 28:19-20).

        15 In addition, the Three are named alongside of each other in these passages (1 Cor 12:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2).

        16 We find “I,” “Thou,” and “He” in several passages which indicate separate Persons, yet interpersonal relations between them (Matt 3:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:13-15).

        17 In 1 John 5:7, in the King James Version, the Three are also mentioned. But there are those who question the validity of this passage (whether or not it really is genuine). Yet, as we are observing elsewhere in this present study, the great truth of the triune Godhead stands sure, regardless of the validity of 1 John 5:7.

        • MikeSavage

          Amminadab;
          Any thoughtful, intelligent, and HONEST person would actually research all available sources, especially an ACCURATE translation of the scriptures, to discern the truth of the matter. That being the case, you have made no such attempts. Is this an indication that you are neither thoughtful, intelligent, or honest? The evidence certainly points to that being the case. What you are posting comes from religions created AFTER the murder of our messiah. That murdered Christ warned all about such false religions/sects/denominations, saying they would teach falsehoods, and seek to draw others away from “the one true faith” that he taught in his three and a half year long ministry. Your Athanasian Creed, or Quicunque Vult in which you defend so adamantly was created by Athanasius. The most likely time frame is in the late fifth or early sixth century AD – at least 100 years after Athanasius, and 400 to 500 years AFTER Jesus’ ministry on Earth. Before that it was almost completely unheard of. In the first century, NO ONE had even thought of such a thing as a trinity within Christianity. Only pagan religions believed in trinities of gods. Constantine hinted at it in the early fourth century when he created the first sect of Christendom, the Roman Church (70 years later changed to Roman Catholic Church). All other sects/denominations follow this creed making them opposed to God and Jesus. You are believing false religions and Athanasius, rather than Jehovah God, God the Almighty who before Him no god was, and after Him no god was. He is the one, and the only real living God. Your belief in the trinity is pagan through and through. It would seem that you would actually research the trinity belief, but I suspect you will never do that. Your beliefs are the cause of your impending destruction, and second death (meaning no resurrection after Armageddon). The second death basically means that you will not see the new world as it is transformed back into the paradise that God purposed for it in the beginning. You won’t see life eternal, in perfect health, when death is no more. You won’t see your dead relatives resurrected, nor those who died in Jesus’ day. Your reward is this life, and nothing more, so you may as well enjoy yourself.

          • CrowPie

            Amminadab is known to quote Ellen G. White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists.

            You won’t be told at the SDA Seminars about the things they have in common with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons.

            SDA’s share their early history with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. An early Adventist, N. H. Barbour co-published with Charles Taze Russell. They had a falling out over (what else?) dates for the end of the world! (1844 and 1874), and parted company.

            Both, however, kept heretical doctrines to this day like Jesus being Michael the Archangel, the denial of Hell, and both still advocate soul sleep. Both invented invisible occurrences in heaven for their failed dates for Christ’s visible return, investigative judgment for the SDA’s and Christ’s invisible “presence” for Jehovah’s Witnesses.

      • Greybeard

        exactly why would you honor and praise yourself, if you the one true god!!!!!!!

    • Greybeard

      yes god is only one person but three in aspect, having body, soul and spirit
      7 heads are required to form the Godhead, you also require the Logos in order to prove your understanding

      99 Then Ohrmazd and the Amahraspands and all the Yazads and mankind will be in one place, and the star too and the moon and the sun and the Victorious Fire will all be in the form of a man who is strong, and they will all be in the form of a man, and they will come to the earth…..one man but speaks with the multitude

      here is something to think about…….
      if God was to come how would you accept that, would you just accept that individual as God because he says so? or are you expecting something amazing blast out of the sky roaring?

      or would he stealthily tread moving all his followers into position?????

      God has many names and titles, in fact many of enlighten have hidden gods true name in scripture, the one they should all seek as they are conversing with one and another, the all knowing god whose word is law!!!
      i know that many say they spoke to jesus many that say they are the messiah and yet they no not what that means, they are liars false messiahs, one also has to remember there is also a hierarchy among the gods the enlighten also talk about the lower arcanum in which they all seek the higher arcanum, the one of god!!!

      here is something to think about while you are giving someone else the titles of god and his accomplishments to someone else, how do you think he will feel????? how would you feel if you accomplished something amazing and yet everyone wants to give it to someone else because it suits their purpose??????

      if your that person who knows you did something amazing but everyone else says someone else did it, but we are waiting for this to happen that to happen the rising of a monster or beast, you all waiting to kill or label a monster and not to follow it in which no beast has any power, would you step from the dark???? or wait till they are ready to accept, meanwhile you die suffer because of your arrogance and denile.

      whats an anti- christ?????———–someone against enlightenment….!!!!!!!!

      you take one piece and demand it to be your god as well as their god, state that it is the word, why then are you all so confused as to who is god when you have his word??????

      if jesus was god and rose as god then why did he not do it then??? where is the longest era of peace wisdom and understanding of all that all the masses can understand????????
      and as god has the ability to form out of the formless and hence greater than all, think about this…..
      behave like monsters then he will come as a bigger monster to end that monster, or you embrace the one coming and behave to prove your worth and he shows the way and teaches instead

      • MikeSavage

        Graybeard;
        Jesus WAS NOT GOD. His Father IS God the almighty, Jehovah God. Jehovah of Armies. Antichrist means ANTI CHRIST. AGAINST THE CHRIST (MESSIAH). It is RELIGIONS that confuse the masses, and mislead almost all on Earth. The religions of man are actually creations of Satan, for the express purpose of misleading the entire inhabited Earth. The false translations of the scriptures are of Satan’s inspiration also. Almost ALL translations are falsely translated, changed, and manipulated.
        Revelation 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is MISLEADING THE ENTIRE INHABITED EARTH; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

    • Amminadab

      CHRIST IS FULLY GOD

      1 – CHRIST IS THE IMAGE OF GOD

      Christ is the totality of the “image” of God. This means He both reveals God and fully is God.

      “Who is the image of the invisible God.”—Colossians 1:15.

      God clearly stands out in Scripture as a personal Being. If the Son of God is the very image of God, He too must be a Person, and have all the inherent attributes of Godhead.

      “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”—2 Corinthians 4:4.

      We find in that verse no hint that the Son is in any way inferior to the Father. They exist on the same plane.

      The Greek word for “image,” in the above verses, is eikon and means “exact likeness.”

      “Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image [exact likeness] of His Person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.”—Hebrews 1:3.

      “Image” in the above verse is charakter, which means the thing which engraves or the thing engraved with the likeness of something else; that is, a seal. As a seal impresses an exact image of itself upon the wax, so Christ is the exact counterpart of the Father.

      2 – CHRIST IS THE LOGOS

      Christ is also the Word (logos in the Greek)—the total expression or embodiment of all that God is. Two outstanding “logos” passages are found in John’s writings.

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us . . full of grace and truth.”—John 1:1-2, 14.

      “That which was from the beginning . . the Word of life.”—1 John 1:1-3, 14.

      3 – ONLY CHRIST FULLY KNOWS GOD THE FATHER

      In some passages, it is very obvious from the context that the sonship of Christ directly shows that He is divine. One such passage is John 5:18-25. Another example is Hebrews, chapter 1.

      Jesus was conscious of a unique relationship to the Father. He spoke of Him as “Father” or “My Father.”

      Jesus had a totally unique relationship to the Father, one which no one else has or can have.

      “All things are delivered unto Me of My Father; and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.”—Matthew 11:27.

      Only God can know God fully. Think about it.

      Can you, by searching, find out God? No, you cannot. You can only have a partial understanding of His nature, special attributes, and ways of doing things. But, according to the above verse, the Son knows all about the Father. This is due to the fact that He is totally equal to Him. He too is God! Divinity understands Divinity.

      On the other hand, no one can understand the Son except the Father. Why? Because the Son is divine, and only Divinity can understand Him. We can only understand as much of God as He chooses to reveal to us. That is the message of the above passage (Matthew 11:27).

      4 – CHRIST IS REPEATEDLY CALLED “GOD”

      The deity of Jesus Christ is clearly stated in God’s Word.

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”—John 1:1.

      In the following passage, notice that Jesus did not reprove Thomas for calling Him “God.” Instead, He commended him for his response. Would Jesus today commend those who try to question His full divinity?

      “And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”—John 20:28-29.

      Bible scholars recognize that Philippians 2:6 is a key doctrinal verse. First, we will quote it:

      “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.”—Philippians 2:6.

      “Being” is huparcho, in the Greek, and means to exist. This verse speaks about the existence of Christ.

      “Form” is morphe and does not refer to the outer appearance as our word, “form,” does. Morphe denotes the essence—all the essential inner characteristics. So this verse gives us an X-ray view into the inner nature of Christ’s divinity,—and we learn that His inner nature is totally equal to the inner nature of God, the Father.

      “Robbery” is harpagmos, which means “to grasp something.” Christ fully knew that to be totally like God was not something to be sought after. Why? Because He already had it; He already had all the total morphe attributes of God.

      Here are three other passages, in which Christ is referred to as God.

      “Christ . . who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.”—Romans 9:5.

      “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.”—Titus 2:13.

      “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”—1 John 5:20.

      5 – THE DIVINE NAMES ARE APPLIED TO CHRIST

      The divine names are applied to Christ in many passages, including these:

      “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”—Isaiah 9:6.

      “The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness: Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.”—Isaiah 40:3.

      “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In His days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely. And this is His name whereby He shall be called: The Lord Our Righteousness.”—Jeremiah 23:5-6.

      “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,”—1 Timothy 3:16.

      6 – CHRIST HAS THE DIVINE ATTRIBUTES

      Jesus Christ is shown to have the qualities of divinity—the divine attributes—in several passages, including these:

      Omnipresence:

      “For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them.”—Matthew 18:20.

      “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”—Matthew 28:20.

      “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”—John 3:13.

      Omniscience:

      “And he said unto Him, Lord, Thou knowest all things.”—John 21:17.

      “I am He which searcheth the reins and hearts, and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.”—Revelation 2:23.

      Omnipotence:

      “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”—Isaiah 9:6.

      “Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.”—Philippians 3:21.

      “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”—Revelation 1:8.

      (Christ’s divine attributes of eternity and immortality will be discussed later.)

      7 – CHRIST HAS EVERY ATTRIBUTE OF GOD

      Christ has every quality, every attribute which belongs to the Father:

      “For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”—Colossians 2:9.

      8 – CHRIST DOES THE DIVINE WORKS

      Jesus not only has the divine attributes or qualities, but He does the things which God does.

      Creator:

      Jesus Christ is the Creator! He made us. Who are we to talk back to Him and try to denigrate Him to something lower than that which He is?

      “All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made . . He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.”—John 1:3, 10.

      “For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers. All things were created by Him, and for Him.”—Colossians 1:16.

      “God . . hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds . . And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine hands.”—Hebrews 1:1-2, 10.

      “And God said, let us make man in our image.”—Genesis 1:26.

      Lawgiver:

      Jesus is the Lawgiver. Indeed, He is above the law! (Patriarchs and Prophets, 63:2). Seriously now, a created being could not be above the law!

      And a related point could also be mentioned: How could the “power of an endless [Greek: indissoluble] life (Hebrews 7:16), and the “fullness of the Godhead” (Colossians 2:9) be given to a created being?

      For Bible passages showing that Christ is the Lawgiver, read Deuteronomy 4:12-13; also Nehemiah 9:13-14; Exodus 20:2-17. For Bible passages which explain that Christ is God who led the Israelites, see Acts 7:30-38; 1 Corinthians 10:2-4; Isaiah 63:8-9.

      Providence:

      Jesus is in charge of this world, and He is guiding it in the great controversy with Satan toward a triumphant victory over the forces of evil.

      “All things are delivered to Me of My Father; and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and He to whom the Son will reveal Him.”—Luke 10:22.

      “The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.”—John 3:35.

      “As Thou has given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as Thou hast given Him.”—John 17:2.

      “And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church.”—Ephesians 1:22.

      “And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.”—Colossians 1:17.

      “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.”—Ephesians 1:3.

      The forgiveness of sins:

      It is a cardinal principle of Scripture that only God can forgive our sins. Jesus forgave sins,—and refused to back down when accused of claiming divinity by so doing.

      “Be of good cheer, thy sins be forgiven thee. And behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee or to say, Arise and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins (then saith He to the sick of the palsy), Arise, take up thy bed.”—Matthew 9:2-7.

      “Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, He said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?”—Mark 2:7-9.

      “Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any; even as Christ forgave you.”—Colossians 3:13.

      The resurrection and the judgment:

      “When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory. And before Him shall be gathered all nations, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.”—Matthew 25:31-32 (cf. John 5:19-29).

      “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son. That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him.”—John 5:22-23.

      “And He commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick [living] and dead.”—Acts 10:42.

      “Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained: wherefore He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”—Acts 17:31.

      “Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.”—Philippians 3:21.

      “I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick [living] and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom.”—2 Timothy 4:1.

      “Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.”—Isaiah 9:7.

      The final dissolution and renewal of all things:

      “And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine hands. They shall perish, but Thou remainest, and they all shall wax old as doth a garment. And as a vesture shalt Thou fold them up, and they shall be changed; but Thou art the same, and Thy years shall not fail.”—Hebrews 1:10-12.

      “Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.”—Philippians 3:21.

      “And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.”—Revelation 21:5.

      He receives divine honor:

      “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son. That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him.”—John 5:22-23.

      “Let not your heart be troubled. Ye believe in God, believe also in Me.”—John 14:1.

      “If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.”—1 Corinthians 15:19.

      “And again . . He saith, And let all the angels of God worship Him.”—Hebrews 1:6.

      “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”—Matthew 28:19.

      —In every conceivable way, Jesus Christ is fully God; He always has been fully God, and always will be fully God.

      http://www.sdadefend.com/Defend-foundation/Christ-nature/divinitya.htm#SECTION%20TWO

      • Greybeard

        jesus said he was the image of the father, so you know what he looks like and jesus is telling you what is truly in his heart, the fathers heart that is, and as you said he hands over to the father, so how is jesus god when he hands over to the father????

        Logo—-Emerald tablets of thoth—–logo is a very real thing, not a person!!!!
        lord of hosts———GRIMNISMOLThe Ballad of Grimnir

        so tell me have you read the other scripture’s that the bible only has very small pieces of????

        then you talk about the word of God, one word that says a lot, not a book full, the law that binds, so what is it???? one law!!!!!!

        and why is it then Me is in capital letters in certain scripture just as you have cut and pasted in your response, in the beginning when asked who is god the response was not jesus christ but…I AM, then there is ALL and Me, so names hidden in scripture

        also if jesus was god who are all the other ones across the world then?????? and how come he does not talk about them??? and why is it jesus says to embrace the one coming and if he died for your sins why are you being punished?????
        Jesus was conscious of a unique relationship to the Father. He spoke of Him as “Father” or “My Father.”
        So talking about the father as a separate entity and not him them?????
        “All things are delivered unto Me of My Father; and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.”—Matthew 11:27.

        And again Me in capitals so a name then?????

        And no, he is a god, not the god as clearly stated by him and supported by you
        “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.”—Philippians 2:6.
        So your saying jesus being in the form of god then, thought it not stealing to be equal to god!!!!!?????
        So jesus not god then???? By that statement

        And again you are quoting altered scripture, again how did he save you??? Why are you dying still??? where is the longest era of peace??? If he god why didn’t he do it then why let you suffer for thousands of years then???
        “And he said unto Him, Lord, Thou knowest all things.”—John 21:17.
        Ok show me in the bible as to what the world leaders are up to and current events with its final outcome as to what is happening right now
        Christ has every quality, every attribute which belongs to the Father:
        Again jesus stating it all belongs to the father, so how is it him them????

        And how did he die for your sins if he above the law?????
        And if he is the law giver why then is there no law and why are you violating it????
        “All things are delivered to Me of My Father; and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and He to whom the Son will reveal Him.”—Luke 10:22.
        Again you state that jesus reveals the one true god and you keep saying its him, and again Me in capitals
        “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.”—Ephesians 1:3.
        And again jesus talks of the father, who he hands over to, and as a separate being
        And again being mis lead by altered scripture, son is Sun!!!!!!
        And if he that sits upon the throne makes all things new and all old passes away how is it then the bible remains???? And
        “Let not your heart be troubled. Ye believe in God, believe also in Me.”—John 14:1.
        And again jesus stating to believe in god and also Me, meaning a name!!!!
        To just accept a name as jesus all that proves is that you are closed minded and do not walk in the footsteps of God
        And what is it you all say satan is the great deceiver who will pretend to be divine, so go get jesus then or Christ for that fact, why are you suffering, why are you committing butchery rape torture in his name????
        So true statement is this…..
        I am, that I am, what I am Me that which is that that flows through the all equal to that which is the all
        All, mighty God who are ytruth in heaven
        Her, me, sun truth is me as god is to us
        All those of god have credentials, where are jesus’s credentials????? And why there no symbols in the bible if it is the law???????
        And where are the churches credentials to alter the words of god to their own end giving proof of gods command to alter??????
        So where is he then??? And Allah for that fact??? Christ is god of the third heaven, Allah is god of the fifth heaven, so where is jesus then????? And have you met him, what if you don’t like, what is he then???

        • Greybeard

          and why we at it…..

          “Earth Mother in bad labor. She gonna give birth to something great. She already in first labor hours… She be in great pain now… It be great Phoenix that gonna rise up again just like all times ago. He already here… He been forming for years now. He all ready to break out of Earth Mother’s womb… She gonna give up great Phoenix soon…”

          In her summary of The Phoenix Chronicles, Mary Summer Rain listed some signs of the times and the birth of the Phoenix:

          “Contraction/Economic Aspects — massive blue collar strikes, relocation of key factories overseas, computerization of factories, extended import & export embargoes & taxations, increased unemployment, widespread factory shutdowns, excessive taxation, small business failures, insolvency of many banks, stock market misdealings & decline, drastic construction decline, devaluation of real estate, increase in corporate crime, drop in level of manufactured goods, increase of corporate monopolies & takeovers, widespread layoffs, runaway credit purchases, cash as only accepted tender.

          “Emerging/Natural Disasters — Major devastation in California, earthquakes in new areas, inactive craters become unsettled, mountains become unstable, return of the dust bowl, record-breaking flooding, tornadoes increase intensity and occasion, liquefaction of soil beneath faults, increased hurricane devastation, freak wind gusts & accidents, soil erosion, increased radon levels, rock & mud slides, insect infestations, sink holes, rapid temperature inversions, frigid winters & deadly blizzards, summer storms with intensified hail & lightning, seeping natural gas (fires & explosions), underground fires, widespread surface blazes, major quake of the New Madrid Fault… Greenish hue to atmosphere… Phoenix days…

          “Eyes Searching/Transportation Accidents — Plane crashes increase, shipping disasters increase, higher incidence of train derailments & accidents.

          “Listening/Freak Deaths & Accidents — Amusement park disasters, increase in homicide & suicide, freak household accidents, disease outbreaks, several catastrophic propane explosions, germ warfare release accident.

          “Breath Heaving/Discord Between Nations — Grave economical differences, arms escalation, warring altercations, terrorism increases, undeclared wars, clandestine dealing between countries, high level secrecy.

          “Wings Flexing/Spiritual Unrest & Awakening — Questioning masses, political church actions, government interventions, repression from certain religious sects, increased UFO sightings, interaction with other intelligences, acceptance of paranormal, acceptance of ongoing spirit afterlife, more religious sects going to court to force their personal restrictions on general public.

          “The Wailing/Nuclear Incident — Several close meltdowns & leaks, seeping radioactive dump sites, two catastrophic meltdowns,radioactive pollution of land & rivers, several major accidents of nuclear missile trucks carriers and the transportation of nuclear waste, radioactive releases caused from geological instability.

          “Talons Tensing/Civil Unrest — People’s revolt and resistance movements, draft evasion, public’s discovery of coverups, nuclear exchange.

          “Crouching/Massive Revolts & Government Turnaround — Taxation refusals, war resistance, policy disagreements within government body, major upheavals within governments.

          “Flying Free/Rise of the Age of Peace — Total equality among people, discontinuance of all meat ingestion, construction reforms, cessation of most severe natural disasters, pollution-free energy innovations by way of the Earth’s magnetic field, rise of the Indian nation through widespread adaptation of its Ways of natural living and deep human philosophy.”

          • Greybeard

            and all prophets of god are short sweet and straight to the point not hidden away in a truck load of scripture, being that they are warnings and weapons of god

      • MikeSavage

        It is for the reasons you all post the lies you post, that false religions, i.e. sects/denominations of Christendom, and all other man made religions will be destroyed, as Babylon the Great, along with their participants in the final battle. It’s as though you all WANT to be destroyed in turning your backs on God and His son. It’s suicide as far as I am concerned.

        • Mayhem

          Who here gives a fig what you’re concerned about, witness, but yes your man made religion will be destroyed and only Faith shall endure.

          • MikeSavage

            Mayhem;
            Honest people “give a fig”. Yes, I do witness for God as He commanded ALL OF US to do, but you reject His commands. My religion was created actually by God, but a man, Jesus brought it to Earth. The one true faith that Jesus taught will be the only religion that is not destroyed. Read Revelation. It tells all about it. There is one Christian religion. It has no church and no clergy and no doctrine it’s own, save what the scriptures say. It is not a sect or denomination of the original, it IS the original. They just use the legal name of Jehovah’s Witnesses now, before that International Bible Students, and before that, it had no reason for a legal name. No government required them to have one. Now governments require one, so the scriptural name Jehovah’s Witnesses was adopted and voted on by all. Your rejection of God’s named people shows to whom you give your allegiance, and it’s not God. Much to your detriment and destruction. You haven’t the humility of God or of Jesus that we are commanded to imitate, so you most likely will never draw close to God, nor He to you. That means your end. Huff and puff all you want. Whine and complain and disparage God’s people all you want. The only thing you will acomplish is to be pitied by us, and destroyed by God. You won’t be missed I suspect.

          • Mayhem

            In which case, Savage, can you show me, from the inspired writings (your Bible or mine) where it is written that Heaven wasn’t accepting any more souls since 1935?

            And i thought you weren’t talking to me, liar.

          • Mayhem

            A Scriptural name that includes a “J” that wasn’t invented till the 16th century. You Joho’s crack me up no end.

      • MikeSavage

        Amminadab;
        You are nothing more than a liar. A promulgator of lies about God and His son.

    • Amminadab

      THE EIGHT EVIDENCES

      OF THE ETERNITY OF CHRIST

      We have discussed every revealed aspect of the divinity of Christ—except one: What about the eternity of Christ? How long has He existed? Has there ever been a time in the past when He did not exist?

      This is the especially contested aspect. Men are teaching the falsehood that Christ is a created being! But the Word of God clearly teaches that Christ has existed from all eternity.

      If He has existed from all eternity, then He cannot have had a beginning. There never was a time when He was brought into existence, or created. There never was a time when He was brought into existence, or created.

      1 – Preexistence and equality with the Father:

      His goings forth are from old, from everlasting.

      “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”—Micah 5:2.

      “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory . . No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.”—John 1:14, 18.

      “But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”—John 5:17-18.

      “And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.”—John 17:5.

      “For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers. All things were created by Him, and for Him.”—Colossians 1:16.

      “Moreover He said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.”—Exodus 3:6 (cf. Acts 7:30-38; 1 Corinthians 10:2-4—identify Him as Christ. Also see Isaiah 63:8-9.)

      2 – Immutability:

      Jesus is immutable, unchangeable, has always been so, and will ever be so.

      “And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine hands. They shall perish, but Thou remainest, and they all shall wax old as doth a garment. And as a vesture shalt Thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but Thou art the same, and Thy years shall not fail.”—Hebrews 1:10-12.

      “Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”—Hebrews 13:8.

      This is but another word for “immutable.” God, who speaks to us in the Bible, is Jesus Christ. He is unchanging.

      “I am the Lord; I change not.”—Malachi 3:6.

      3 – Eternal existence:

      He is called the “everlasting Father.”

      “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”—Isaiah 9:6.

      He was “in the beginning with God.”

      “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”—John 1:1-2.

      4 – An endless, self-possessed life.

      Jesus has a life which cannot end, and that would include both past and future.

      “Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless [Greek: indissoluble] life.”—Hebrews 7:16.

      “In Him was life.”—John 1:4.

      No created being can give life to another. Think about it. But Jesus, who has total, unending—past, present, and future—life, can and will impart of His life to others. This impartation of Christ’s eternal life to His followers is stated in many passages, of which the following in John are but a few: John 5:40; 6:33, 40, 47; 10:10; 11:35: 17:2; 20:31.

      5 – Not only eternal, but immortal as well.

      “Eternal” means to have an existence which has never ceased—before or after the span of that eternity.

      “Immortal” means not subject to death or non-existence. means not subject to death or non-existence.

      Immortality, or not subject to death or non-existence, is one of the key attributes of the Godhead. It is self-possessed by each of them. They do not owe it to one another or to anyone else.

      “The King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God.”—1 Timothy 1:17.

      “Jesus Christ . . who is the blessed and only potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; who only hath immortality.”—1 Timothy 6:14-16.

      The Greek word for “immortal” is aphthartos, “imperishable,” “incorruptible.” On the divine level, this includes eternal life past as well as future.

      It is the inner quality of God that He has always lived. (1) He cannot die in the future, and (2) there never was a time in the past when He did not exist.

      6 – The beginning and the end:

      Christ is the beginning and the end. He is before all things and after all things. He has an existence which spans the ages, and preceded them all.

      “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”—Revelation 1:8.

      “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”—Revelation 22:13.

      7 – The I AM:

      The above two passages include the special name of God: the I AM. The meaning of that term is this: One of the attributes of God is that He is an Eternal Presence. He has always existed and always will exist. He is the I AM in the past, in the present, and in the future. He sees all things, He knows all things, and He has existed forever.

      DO YOU SEE THE POINT? If just one of the divine qualities were missing, He would not fully be God! And if He were not fully God, He would not be God!

      It is not enough that Christ may be God today; He must have always been God in the past—or He is not fully God!

      What is Satan desperately fighting in the age-long great controversy? It is Christ and the law, to which the devil is opposed. Satan is determined to undermine faith in either or both of them. In our time in history, a special battle is being fought over obedience to the law of God. But Satan also has agents who are attempting to downgrade Christ. The devil is using them in an attempt to topple Christ from His throne.

      It is a shameful work, yet some men are willing to do it. —Flee from such men!

      Jesus is the I AM.

      “And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is His name? what shall I say unto them?

      “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And He said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.”—Exodus 3:13-14.

      Who was that I AM which spoke to Moses? It was Christ. Acts 7:30-38 clearly identifies Him as Christ. Also see Isaiah 63:8-9.

      “And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink; for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them,—and that Rock was Christ.”—1 Corinthians 10:2-4.

      “I AM” means the self-existent One. This is a basic quality of God. He can only be self-existent if He has existed forever. Think about it.

      Several times in the book of John, Jesus applied the Divine Name, the I AM, to Himself. The Greek phrase used is ego eimi. It means “I am” in a special sense. Several of the passages in John which contain the I AM are quoted in the following passage in Desire of Ages:

      “It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, ‘I AM THAT I AM’ . . Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent Me unto you.’ Ex. 3:14. This was the pledge of Israel’s deliverance. So when He came ‘in the likeness of men,’ He declared Himself the I AM. The Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, is God ‘manifest in the flesh.’ 1 Tim. 3:16. And to us He says: ‘I AM the Good Shepherd.’ ‘I AM the living Bread.’ ‘I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life.’ ‘All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.’ John 10:11; 6:51; 14:6; Matt. 28:18. I AM the assurance of every promise. I AM; be not afraid. ‘God with us’ is the surety of our deliverance from sin, the assurance of our power to obey the law of heaven.”—Desire of Ages, 24-25.

      —Do you see it? If Jesus is not truly God, then you have no assurance of deliverance from sin and no enabling power to obey God’s law!

      8 – Before all things:

      Jesus Christ has existed before all things.

      “And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.”—Colossians 1:17.

    • Pix

      “The Word of God Is Clear ”

      As mud. The reason why there are tens of thousands of sub cults with their own version, who couldn’t agree on the colour of dog poop, let alone the interpretation of their plagiarised pagan mystery cult.

      All protestant bibles are versions of the King James bible. The NT was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the Church of England.

      There were (and still are) no original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8’000 of these old manuscripts, with no two alike.

      The King James translators used none of these in any case. Instead, they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve.

      So, 21st Century Christians believe the “word of god” is a book edited in the 17th century from 16th century Late Latin Catholic translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century Greek scrolls that Catholicism claims to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century in Hebrew and Aramaic.

      That is not faith, that is insanity.

      • MikeSavage

        Pix;
        The inspired word of God is clear as crystal, to those God uses His holy spirit to unveil their meaning. He only does that with persons who in them He sees an honest heart, and an honest desire to know Him. A scripture explains that Satan veils the word of God. Only God can unveil them. The remnant of the annointed are very knowledgeable regarding God’s word, as holy spirit is very active in their lives all the time, since they are adopted sons of God. Since less than 15,000 are alive right now, there is only one way to associate with them. But that pathway is worse than death to you. Not taking that path, however, means your destruction.

        • Gus Fung

          Are you campaigning for “Grandmaster of the Hall” over there Savage ?

          Claiming “adopted sons of God” status for your hallmates ? It’s like watching a squirrel fall of a thin wire.

          Do you think you married Pix in another life ?

          Did you have a school of little baby mackerels together ?

          • MikeSavage

            Gus;
            If you had ever bothered to actually read the scriptures, you would know that only the holy spirit annointed 144,000 are adopted sons of God. Grandmaster of the hall? What the hell is that? Another figment of your imagination I assume. Pix? Mackerels? You should really lay off the drugs and alcohol.

            • Truthseeker

              Mikesavage

              I realize this is a complete waste of time BUT—

              Adopted sons??? only the gentiles are adopted into Israel to gain salvation because the contract is with the House of Israel and the House of Judah ONLY. Only Israelites will be given eternal life. For salvation gentiles must be adopted into Israel.

              God is saving ALL of Israel — at the first resurrection those begotten with the Spirit of God will be born again but this 2nd birth is into Immortal Spirit with the same spirit body as Christ.

              God has made possible 100 billion humans and only 144,000 are to be Sons of God the Father???? Really???

              mike you and your church, sect, hall, etc whatever,,,, have not one clue Who is the TRUE GOD.

              You limit God at every possible opportunity.

              For 1500 years after the death of Christ for most of God’s people all they had was the Book of the Law and the Prophets. The books Moses wrote. No printing press.

              Now your JW’s come sometime in the nineteenth century and claim your translation of the writing of the Apostles is the only true source — really.

            • MikeSavage

              Untruthseeker;
              No, you are mistaken. Your understanding of God’s word is pretty much zero.

        • Damien

          DATE DATE DATE

          GIVE US … THE DATE!

          Oh no religion :grin:

          • MikeSavage

            DamnEl;
            Date of what? And religion? I have nothing whatsoever to do with religions. Can’t help you.

            • Damien

              I meant ‘Oh MR No Religion’.

              And what the date of when the 7 billion rest of us being obliterated will be.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw1Vg8HsMK4

            • MikeSavage

              DamnEl;
              Who can know the date? God did say it won’t be late though.

      • Damien

        Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus date to 4th century.

        And Paul wrote in Greek His Hebrew wasn’t great.

    • Greybeard

      and why we at it, answer this then……

      And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord GOD shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

      14Then the LORD will appear over them, And His arrow will go forth like lightning; And the Lord GOD will blow the trumpet, And will march in the storm winds of the south. 15The LORD of hosts will defend them. And they will devour and trample on the sling stones;

      so god going to join up with the whirlwinds of the south, whose that??? thats right, king of the south!!!!!

    • Greybeard

      27Behold, the name of the LORD comes from a remote place;

      Burning is His anger and dense is His smoke; His lips are filled with indignation And His tongue is like a consuming fire;

      28His breath is like an overflowing torrent, Which reaches to the neck, To shake the nations back and forth in a sieve, And to put in the jaws of the peoples the bridle which leads to ruin.

      so have a look at the world now, and ask yourself this are you closed minded????

      do you have an open heart and and open mind, and ears and eyes to see and hear????

      god hates anybody who walks with a closed mind, you all best remember that

    • Greybeard

      42but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves. 43″I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44″How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?…

      so who is coming again????????????????????????????????

      • MikeSavage

        Greybeard;
        Almost all on this site are the worst of apostates.

        • Mayhem

          Everyone is a liar except you, Savage, the man who claims to make no mistakes yet argued that Moses nearly sacrificed Isaac.

          • MikeSavage

            Mayhem;
            Thanks for the sentiment, but no. Many are not liars. Just all on this site are, and all who cling to false religion are. And all who oppose God and His son are. And of course, you are. Your claim about Moses shows that you have a very poor memory. I answered a poster who said “Mozes” nearly sacrificed Isaac. I posted an answer to him, since no one attacked him for his post. I wanted to see how hypocritical all of you are, so I didn’t correct him. True to your lying selves, you DID attack me, not the original poster who made the claim. You are all hypocrites and liars and you know it. And you, Mayhem, have a VERY short and faulty memory.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              You’re so full of lies Savage, it’s a miracle there’s any room left for air in your lungs.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              YOU wrote THIS, Savage:

              “FIRST OFALL, IT’S MOSES, NOT MOZES. AND SECONDLY, GOD ASKED MOSES TO SACRIFICE ISAAC BECAUSE GOD WANTED TO SEE HOW FAITHFUL MOSES WAS. MOSES WAS SO FAITHFUL, HE AGREED AND WENT AS FAR AS BEGAN TO PLUNGE THE KNIFE INTO HIS SON, KNOWING THAT GOD’S PROMISE OF A RESURRECTION WAS REAL, AND THAT ISAAC WOULD BE RESURRECTED. GOD STOPPED MOSES AT THE LAST MINUTE PROVIDING A SUBSTITUTE SACRIFICE, SO THAT GOD’S PROMISE OF A GREAT NATION COMING FROM ISAAC COULD BE FULFILLED.”

              /metaphysics/2015/02/4-signs-that-this-isnt-your-first-life-on-earth-2445140.html

              And I’ll post this link and this quote for as long as you continue to lie about lying.

              Liar.

            • MikeSavage

              Walter;
              You sorry sack of parrot dung.
              Since your memory is incapable of working, I will again explain that I made that post to catch you and others attacking me, and not the one who originally posted the “Mozes” comment. No one attacked him, but when I replied to him, you DID attack me. Proof you are a liar and a hypocrite. You proved it yourself. You took the bait with no hesitation. Yet you still cling to your hypocritic behavior at the time, and now as well. You are a liar, a hypocrite, and an apostate. Your knowledge is zero, and you work hard to mislead many. It is you who lies, not me.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Fool.

              No one was talking to you about anything that day.

              Disgusting depths, Savage.

              And you are NOT permitted to lay a stumbling stone before ANYONE.

              Dismissed.

            • Mayhem

              I thought you weren’t talking to me, Savage, what changed? You packed a tantrum and sulked because i told you to “shut your stupid mouth”. Well now lookee here…

              “You sorry sack of parrot dung.”

              … making you not only a liar but a two faced liar.

    • Greybeard

      one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?…

      so in all them its seek the glory of god……

      7It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.8All who dwell on the earth will worship him,

      so seek the glory of god and not worship the beast

      who do you worship and bow to again??????????

      and what glory did you find??????

    • Greybeard

      so delete my comments so not into truth then?????, maybe the writer of this story who is not interested in the truth should think about where they stand and what it means to go against god especially now with whats approaching

      so lying propaganda at work, wanting it to be what they want it, time is coming and you will all be sitting in the corner of your room crying and weeping all day, i know!!!!!!!

      so deleted bible scripture, the one your selling because you did not like the response to your silly things, your scripture, what are you afraid off……TRUTH???????????. ….lol

      • Mayhem

        They might be afraid of Truth, Greybeard, but i don’t think that’s why your comments are being deleted considering the Truth is not in you.

    • Alan

      In the beginning 1 there wus god 1, an god performed 2 the act of creation 2. :roll:

      Tri~ again. :lol:

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