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…Just remember…no matter what…Anti-christ comes first claiming that he IS Messiah…He’ll bring PEACE and promises of prosperity, and will deceive the whole world…don’t believe it…If you are still in earthly body…ITS NOT CHRIST!!!
If the transformation happens before the return, maxwell, then what need of a Warrior King?
However we do agree, brother, that a son of perdition who is the man of lawlessness comes first.
Colloquially known as The Antichrist.
…mayhem…7th trump=return of Christ=beginning of the millennium…Our ‘objective’ viewpoint is moot. He doesn’t come back to prove anything to anyone…he comes back to reclaim the earth. You’re either ‘on board’ or you’re not…at that moment.
…Can’t see YHVH/Christ in this dimension…only in spiritual body, and like you said “every eye” will see Him…
For sure, maxwell, the Bible says that Jesus return is heralded by trumpets (1 Thess 4:16) and at the last trumpet the change occurs (1 Cor 15:52) but where does it say that these are the same trumpet?
As far as i can tell the 7th trumpet (Rev 11:15) is specifically about the coming kingdom of God rather than Messiah’s triumphant return?
Who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev 19) that defeats the gathered armies the remains of which the birds feast upon? And where does He find the time to do this if the change occurs as He arrives?
There are many trumpets and multiple white horses and the Bible doesn’t conflate them, maxwell, so why do you?
…” For sure, maxwell, the Bible says that Jesus return is heralded by trumpets (1 Thess 4:16) and at the last trumpet the change occurs (1 Cor 15:52) but where does it say that these are the same trumpet?”
..How many trumps are we told about? Antichrist at the sixth trump…which comes next?
“As far as i can tell the 7th trumpet (Rev 11:15) is specifically about the coming kingdom of God rather than Messiah’s triumphant return?”
…I see no differentiation of the two.
“Who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev 19) that defeats the gathered armies the remains of which the birds feast upon? And where does He find the time to do this if the change occurs as He arrives?”
…I would think that’s a clue as to to how long it takes to dispose of the hoards at Haman Gog/Armageddon……King of kings-Lord of lords, is Christ.
…”conflate” cool word.
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Well there’s the trumpeting on the day of atonement (Lev 25:9) and the trumpet of Ramah (Hosea 5:8) not to mention the wall building signalling trumpets (Neh 4:20) finally there’s Ehud’s signal in the land of Ephraim (Judges 3:27).
Trumpets, maxwell, aside from the seven of Revelation. But you didn’t answer the question. Where is it plainly written that Messiah’s return is simultaneous with the change?
Of course Rev 19 points to Jesus. It was a trick question and my capitalizing the personal pronoun should have been a clue. But, maxwell, are you saying that the gathering of the army, mounting them all on white horses and dressing them in white robes plus the battle and clean up all happens in the twinkling of an eye? That’s a lot to get done in approximately 0.003 seconds.
Once again you’ve responded with opinion despite being asked to provide scriptural support. Are we to go round in ever decreasing circles, for the best part of a week, before you flee or admit that there are some things we do not know for a certainty and about which it is unsafe to claim absolute knowledge of?
…I’m sorry…I think you should form own interpretations of these stories, before we try to compare. If you want to complicate this story beyond what Christ has divulged to us…In the chapter of Revelation, through JOHN the Revelator, you are a free man with God given free will…You’d be a fool to accept what i say about it without researching and forming your own “opinions’ first…So you tell me what you have come up with and we’ll compare the two…I am not here to compete in the scripture sweepstakes…I am alive to feed “MY” soul…if you get something out of it, then we’re both blessed.
…as far as the symbolism in the story…John describes spiritual ‘visions’ in ways no man had ever been asked to do before or since.
…I do think that the story, as it is presented in the chapter, is complete and totally understandable, just the way its written.
…I’m not a preacher, nor a prophet. You’ve got access to all the sources I do…I’m telling you what I KNOW about it…That’s exactly what I expect from you, too.
…I’ve never questioned the content, and accept that there are things YHVH does that make no sense in common earthly terms…You want things of me, that you can’t produce for yourself…The chapter speaks for itself…tells it exactly like it comes down, I BELIEVE THIS. …if there are, in your estimation, discrepancies, then, that’s something you have to work out for yourself…I’m not playing this game with you. still love you…A
You’re telling me what you know and i’m showing you what the Bible says. See the difference?
There are other incidents of trumpets apart from the seven in Revelation, as i have shown.
You have failed to show where scripture expressly states the trumpet of 1 Thess 4:16 and 1 Cor 15:52 are the same trumpet?
I’ll leave you with your opinion, maxwell, but anytime you want to parse the written word, with me, i’ll do my best to be there for it.
Until then…
And any discrepancy is between what you had to say, maxwell, and what the Bible says. I’m saying you’re wrong not the Bible but i understand why you need to twist everything around and pretend that i’m arguing against The Word as it is written.
…Mayhem…I perceive that you think you need to ‘see’ these things happen in some earthly venue..to make it believable. Not gonna happen. It doesn’t have ANY bearing on whether or not it takes .0003 seconds or 12 centuries…It happens. JUST AS IT IS WRITTEN.
…Once we make an arrival in paradise to live the ”Day of the LORD”, We’ll have the whole picture… till then its all a spiritual exercise of trust and faith…Y’ get it, or y’ don’t. I don’t believe for one minute that you’ll get it wrong, when the chips are down.
…The chapter of Revelation is the only Chapter in the Book, that preachers tell their flocks they don’t need to know, as it all happens “after” the RAPTURE…but I know you don’t believe in flying outa here do you? If you do…revelation does not apply, forget about it.
…If that’s not good enough…shine me, and my words, on.
Boy do you have some avoidance issues, maxwell, despite being commanded to always be ready to answer for the faith that you have in you.
I’m not saying Revelation is wrong, idiot, i’m saying that there is no scriptural support for the trumpets of 1 Thess 4:16 and 1 Cor 15:52 being one and the same.
Quickest way to shut me up, maxwell, is to answer that one question. Get to it.
Could it be that every time you do open your Bible, and quote from it, i wind up owning your stupid arse. Is that why you’re recalcitrant?
Oh and your perceptions are on you, buddy, think what you like but don’t be telling me what i meant.
…all well and good…but I’ll ask you a question, friend, why can’t you read the bible and take what it is, as it is written? Always got to look for the inconsistencies, instead of consistencies…call it what you like…I’m not here for eclectic monks anyway. You’ve got all the sources i do…look the stuff up yourself…you won’t accept anything i say without scriptural proof, when you mix it all up and can’t rightly divide the Word, yourself…I can’t teach you how…I don’t know how I understand it in the first place…Just write me off as a kook…and thank yourself you’re not as crazy as i am.
…If I were to tell you, what all I know about, and how I know it, your ‘critical’ mind would overload, and you would call me insane…with which characterization I would certainly concur…But here I’ll give you a taste…
…..The anti christ got here (6th trump) about 3 1/2 years ago…His reign started just a few weeks ago.. that leaves 3 1/2 years, to go right? wrong! The time of his reign has been shortened to a 5 month period, (the season of the LOCUST), and that span of time has already commenced. His time is short, and he knows it…Not only that, but he also knows the prophecies about his ultimate failure, imprisonment and demise are true and imminent…He’s a wild creature in a deathtrap, and he knows that, too.
…All of the publicized descriptions and conjectures of the AC’s identity are totally wrong…And are that way at his own cunning will.
…YHVH’s elect are all on the earth, right now, and may well be the only humans alive on this planet, at the seventh trump. They are aware of who they are, instinctively. Every one, has a protective spiritual shield set against the coming EVIL, and will be here to witness the end, of this earth age. Each will be ‘delivered up’ to the council of the AC., for a 10 day interrogation, where the Holy Spirit will ‘witness’ through them. These are Christ’s own, and were chosen, before the “foundations” of this earth age, to fulfill this prophecy.
…All of this is one ‘misfit’s’ story of his quest to locate his ”brothers”.
They are found, one by one, in the same way I was ”found”…We ‘KNOW’ one another. We will gather, when the time is right. won’t be long.
…Like I said before…forget about me… i can’t possibly live up to what you ‘think’ you know about it. Compared to your carefully reasoned, and thoughtfully, constructed understandings…I am totally and completely bonkers. My masquerade is over…its time, I guess…thanks for forcing the issue. I think you know, you were directed to what you were doing with me. You’ll know more soon. I guarantee.
…the next few months will be extreme, in all areas and walks of life.
The lucky ones are taken out early…Keep the faith…That’s all you will have, soon. I do love you.
I might be able to hang out here for a few more days~hours…Oh. by the way, I have found a couple of my bros here…I’ll leave you to guess who they are. Their identities will be apparent, in no time.
reply, if you like, but my time of acting, normally, sane are probably over for good. I’ve been progressively losing control, anyway.
What differentiates you from the average street corner delusional with a cardboard sign in one hand and Bible in the other? To be fair, maxwell, this isn’t the first time i’ve heard that the end is nigh.
Oh i know you’re mad as a hatter, mate, otherwise you’d never be able to say that all of the publicized descriptions, of anything, are wrong but you are right. Especially when you can’t back your position with any sort of evidence.
Thank you for the compliment, brother, regarding my arguments but given how little opinion i present, that isn’t backed by scripture, i must defer to the one who teaches me.
And don’t play the victim with me, maxwell, unless you’re chained to a chair with your eyelids pried open plus there’s a gorgeous young femme fatale putting drops in your eyes and occasionally refreshing this page. I’m sure not forcing you to read my work.
Finally; i understood your wordplay regarding the Monk and while you’re wrong it was still quite well done. Bravo Monsignor!
…Mayhem…the cardbord sign and the bible, is how I make my opium money…people all over town come to give me pennies and nickels to see me dance and spout heresies…some days i get enough for two maybe three good tokes…then i feel better and can find the motivation to shoplift enough chocolate to get a hand job from the hooker that works the other side of the street…Now that’s a good day…f’sho’….
…Mayhem…All i can do is copy down the chapter of Revelation, word for word…I don’t see how any of the verses you copied out here mean anything in the context of the 7 trumps of Revelation…these are the ‘trumps that relate to these times…No other trumps will work in their place…at all.
…So denigrate and all that….if you don’t like it just stop…If you’re trying to prove something about me…consider it proven and move along.
…I think…Oh hell it won’t matter what i think…some get it and some don’t…and some just don’t want to. Its to the point where i just don’t care…
…Just come out and say what you want about me and what I do, or what you think I represent…just do it…be a man…say it like you are feeling it…go find some wombat to quiz, and pester. The book of revelation is not important to you, or you’d know the answers, to the questions you are posing to me. You’re playing a game with me…
…Look whatever you want me to say…consider it said and move along, matey.
You can be better than this, brother, where you said…
“Look whatever you want me to say…consider it said and move along,”
… i’ve got tell you that you’re not the first to be condescending rather than answer a simple question.
…MAYHEM…Right here is where you took the thing “out of context:
Well there’s the trumpeting on the day of atonement (Lev 25:9) and the trumpet of Ramah (Hosea 5:8) not to mention the wall building signalling trumpets (Neh 4:20) finally there’s Ehud’s signal in the land of Ephraim (Judges 3:27).
…Jumped from REV to LEV…then to hosea and to Neh–out of context..totally..but you’re the expert there, cosmo.
Trumpets, maxwell, aside from the seven of Revelation. But you didn’t answer the question. Where is it plainly written that Messiah’s return is simultaneous with the change?
…I guess I take it as being ‘implied’…still do.
…If you tried to confuse me…good job…I thought you were serious, for a minute.
Because you can’t answer you attempt to distract, maxwell, but i’m not about to give you that comfort. So with that in mind i must repeat myself.
Rev 11:15…
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
… where does it say, or imply, that Jesus returns at this time?
…MAYHEM…I can’t fathom why you got this going where you took it…and i apologize for not taking you seriously, But I don’t have a way to answer…I can’t see where any other “trumpets” could possibly relate to the book of revelation. To me it does relate…its out of context. Revelation’s trumps are special end of the age manifestations…none of the others you mention have anything to do with it…revelation is the end of the NEW testament…All the other trumps are old testament…Its like we ended up on different ends of the the universe…I like it where I ended up…you?
..I think you’re just angry and embarrassed about making an ass of yourself the other night…aren’t ya? screwing with me like a 7 year old…
I didn’t say the other trumpets related to Revelations, maxwell, in fact i was arguing the exact opposite because you had said…
“How many trumps are we told about? Antichrist at the sixth trump…which comes next?”
… implying there are only seven and because Jesus return is heralded by trumpets it has to be one of the seven with the seventh being the logical choice.
Because logical choice sounds a bit like reading between the lines and making things up i want to know where it is written that Jesus returns at the 7th trump. It’s your claim so it’s on you to defend it. Did i mention the quickest way to shut me up?
The other night i made a silly mistake, i acknowledged my mistake, now it’s time to move on, maxwell, unless you want to make this appear personal. If that is what you want then that’s just one more thing that’s on you, my friend, and i’ll not be any part of your victim complex.
…Mayhem..my very first answer was the best I can come up with,:
” For sure, maxwell, the Bible says that Jesus return is heralded by trumpets (1 Thess 4:16) and at the last trumpet the change occurs (1 Cor 15:52) but where does it say that these are the same trumpet?”
..How many trumps are we told about? Antichrist at the sixth trump…which comes next?
“As far as i can tell the 7th trumpet (Rev 11:15) is specifically about the coming kingdom of God rather than Messiah’s triumphant return?”
…I see no differentiation of the two.
“Who is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev 19) that defeats the gathered armies the remains of which the birds feast upon? And where does He find the time to do this if the change occurs as He arrives?”
…I would think that’s a clue as to to how long it takes to dispose of the hoards at Haman Gog/Armageddon……King of kings-Lord of lords, is Christ…
……I don’t have “anything” else, but this has been the most fun I’ve had here, in weeks.
I just believe you took the verses ”out of context”. I was told that you’ve done that more than once before. This was fun…lets do it again.
I beg your pardon? Funny how folk will tell you that i’ve taken things out of context more than once, maxwell, but this is the first i’ve heard about it. Are you sure it’s me who needs to man up?
And no the very first thing you said was Jesus would be known because the change would have already happened and i asked where that was written.
It seems, thousands of words later, that your best answer is it’s implied somewhere in Revelations which, to my way of thinking, doesn’t really fulfill the requirement of 1 Peter 3:15.
The author claims a secret return of the King about whom the Bible says…
The Son of man will come in a cloud with great power and glory (Mark 13:26 & Luke 21:27) and every eye shall see Him (Rev 1:7).
… so, once again, it’s decision time. Who are we to believe?
Author doesn’t appear to comprehend the difference between DNA and divine grace — most probably because he’s lacking the latter.
new age crap
…Synickel…’New age crap’ is believing you can make any sense of any of this, without help.
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