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The Doctrine of Replacement Theology Is a Lie!

Thursday, December 7, 2017 7:52
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“Replacement Theology” is a false doctrine – want proof?

 

Replacement theology as a “flavor” of so called Christianity has been around in different forms for a while and its primary doctrine is as follows: God has abandoned those that came from the seed of Abraham and now the “Church” made up of gentiles has replaced the 12 tribes as the New “True Israel”.

 

Destined2berevealed AKA New covenant preacher, found on BIN is a preacher of replacement theology.

 

Is it even possible for God to cast aside His Chosen People; would it even be legal or logical for God to do so?

To accept the central doctrine of replacement theology one must accept a weak God and not an all powerful God, a God that can not stand behind or bring to pass His unconditional promises nor honor the legal and binding Contracts He has agreed to perform thus a God that may or may not be able to Save.

The Old Testament is the history of God bringing His Chosen People, the 12 physical tribes of Jacob, into ONENESS with HIM.

God began with one man Abraham and then by the twelve sons of Jacob, the physical blood line of Abraham, multiplied HIS Chosen People into 100’s of millions alive now at the time of the end !

BUT —-

Replacement theology, by its central foundational doctrine is stating — God HAS failed — by replacing the 12 physical tribes of Israel/Jacob with gentiles, replacement theology is in effect teaching the lie “ God is so weak He could not even save HIS Chosen People and thus has to— just give up.”

If God can not even save HIS OWN Chosen People that He began through one man, can He save you? ARE you sure He can?

Let’s examine at one “unconditional” promise God gave to Abraham.

Genesis 22

15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,

16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son]:

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

First Fact:

The LORD God gave Abraham an — unconditional promise — Abraham’s SEED, his blood line, is unconditionally guarantied to become as the stars of the heaven and as the sand of the sea in numbers and God swore by Himself as there is no greater.

In Revelation 7 144,000 from the 12 tribes are sealed with the Father Spirit making them First Fruits and this sealing occurs as the 7th Seal is opened which takes place after the Great Tribulation.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.

If as Destined 2 B and others preach as their version of truth, God and Jesus Christ did reject the 100’s of millions guarantied unconditionally to come from the loins of Abraham and turned instead to gentiles — then please explain exactly who among the “New True Israel of God” are these 144,000’s; 12,000 coming from each of the 12 tribes?

Which gentile race or nation is the tribe of Simeon, which one is the Tribe of Aser? If it is not by race or nation then which one of the 40,000 so called Christian churches is the tribe of Manasses?

And did you notice Dan was not included and the half tribe of Manasses took Dan’s place? If there was no physical tribe that came from Dan in God’s church – what is the point here?

If the “new identity” of each tribe can not be determined by pointing to a specific denomination or a specific race of gentiles with clear scripture backing up that identification — then replacement theology is nothing but a house of cards. Which it IS!!

Why would God be calling 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes, making them First Fruits, if God turned from the 12 sons of Jacob to gentiles? If God is no longer dealing with His Chosen People then why are they specifically listed by tribes in the Book of Revelation?

Destined we would love to read your response to the above. But alas, you have no response as the TRUTH can only be twisted so far.

Second Fact:

God did not add any conditions that must be met before Abraham would receive this promise; God states “I – WILL – bless thee”.

In these scriptures and in others no conditions were ever included – thus this unconditional promise by God must be fulfilled or God can not be trusted to live up to His promises which includes your salvation.

Destined how can you trust a god that can not even save His Chosen People after 4000 years of effort?

Third Fact:

The total numbers coming from the seed i.e. sperm of Abraham would be in the billons. Are the stars of heaven and the sand of the sea shore in the thousands or millions or are they in the billions upon billions??

All of the billions God promised to Abraham were then again promised to Isaac; the only son Abraham sired by his wife Sara. And later the promise was passed to Isaac’s son Jacob.

Here is an interesting prophecy:

Genesis 24

60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou [art] our sister, be thou [the mother] of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.

Rebekah married Isaac the son of Abraham.

One thousand million is a billion.

And just who was it that owned the Panama Canal, or Gibraltar or the Suez Canal ??

God’s unconditional promise of billions coming from Abraham was passed to the physical blood line of Abraham and never was that promise altered or changed in the entirety of the Old Testament.

Leviticus 26

44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I [am] the LORD their God.

45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I [am] the LORD.

God will never break His Covenant with HIS Chosen People, He will punish them to cause them to return to Him but NEVER will GOD utterly destroy them and if God i.e. Jesus Christ can just walk away from a legally binding contract, what is to prevent Him from walking away from YOU?

Forth Fact:

Verse 18 is an important additional promise: the entire world must be blessed by the physical blood line of Abraham.

What gentile nations have been a blessing to the world; is it China, India, Russia, Africa, South America, Germany, Italy – which? Rome brutally ruled the known world in it’s day but would you call that a blessing?

Who brought innovation to the world, who fed the starving world, who was the policemen to the world, who developed the pagan masses into nations?

The answer to the above is another study but it is a fact of history none of the nations listed above were ever a “blessing” to all the nations of the world.
 

Genesis 49 is a chapter rarely mentioned by main stream Christianity and especially “replacement theology’.

1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you [that] which shall befall you — in the last days.

No matter what you believe about the Word of God this prophecy by Jacob whose name was changed by God to Israel, shows the 12 tribes will be alive and well at THE TIME OF THE END i.e “in the last days’.

Would God inspire Jacob to give this prophecy concerning his 12 sons and then cast them away? If God moved on to gentiles, turning His back to the sons of Jacob, why have Jacob tells us what the 12 tribes will be like at the time of the end?

A proof that GOD IS GOD; God tells us how it ends– at the beginning, If God, at the beginning, knows how things turn out at the end where are the prophecies found in the Old testament stating God will cast away – for ever – HIS Chosen People and replace them with pagan gentiles?

Destined bring forth that scripture clearly stating the church will no longer be filled with the blood line of Jacob – that God will turn to gentiles and reject His chosen People forever. I will not hold my breath waiting.

If God has cast way the 12 tribes of Jacob why then is the Great tribulation, a day that is so great that none are like it, called – the Time of Jacob’s Trouble??

Jeremiah 30: 7

7 Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

And— why then did God through Daniel the Prophet, tell us “thy people shall be delivered” at the time of the Great tribulation?

Daniel 12: 1

1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

In Daniel’s day “Thy People” can only be the 12 physical tribes of Jacob/Israel.

What follows are only a few of the prophecies and unconditional promises found in the Old Testament.

Read them all and then ask your self if God made all of these promises and foretold how He is going to bless and multiply and ‘deliver” the Seed of Abraham – would it seem reasonable that the God that created the trillions of galaxies and holds them in place can not even fulfill what He has determined and promised for HIS PEOPLE?

The followers of replacement theology, by their doctrine, states God does not have the power to save HIS OWN PEOPLE.

Genesis 17: 4

4 As for me, behold, my covenant (contract) [is] with thee (Abram), and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

Genesis 12: 1- 3,

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Isaiah 10: 22

22 For though thy peopleIsrael be as the sand of the sea, [yet] a remnant of them shall return: the consumption (annihilation) decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

Genesis 48: 19

19 And his father refused, and said, I know [it], my son, I know [it]: he (Manasseh) also shall become “a people” , and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother (Ephraim) shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

Which of those known as Jews became a Great Nation and which became a multitude of nations. — since 70 AD only the tiny little nation of Israel came in to existence. Six million Jews are a multitude of nations???

Genesis 35: 11, 12

11 And God said unto him (Jacob), I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a “company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to “thy seedafter thee will I givethe land.

Genesis 28: 14

14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, - and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Jeremiah 33: 17

17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

Ever wondered where the Throne of David is today?

Luke 1: 30 – 33

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Jesus Christ will reign over the House of Jacob forever — and the ‘replacement’ folks teach the House of Jacob is now gentile.

Will Abraham be happy that his seed no longer are the Chosen People of the GOD he served and obeyed? Will Abraham trust and obey God any longer?

Jeremiah 30: 1 – 3

1 The Word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,

2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my peopleIsraeland — Judah, saith the LORD:

Which tribe or race or nation or church is Israel and which is Judah?

and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and — they (Israel and Judah) shall possess it.

In the time of Jeremiah God stated unequivocally “THEY” — MY People – the seed of Abraham – will possess the land I gave to their fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Now to conclude:

Jeremiah 31:

35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then]—– the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Here are the WORDS of ALMIGHTY GOD; IF the ordinances of the sun and the moon and the stars depart from being ordinances THEN and ONLY THEN will I cast off the seed of Israel.

Does the sun come up in the east every day? Destined — Do you see the moon rise in the night sky and do the stars shine in the night sky —- then it is impossible for God to cast away HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE ISRAEL.

The NIV translation

35 This is what the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the season that its waves roar—the Lord Almighty is his name:

36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”declares the Lord,“ will Israel ever cease being a nation before me.”

The NLT

35 It is the Lord who provides the sun to light the day and the moon and stars to light the night, and who stirs the sea into roaring waves. His name is the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, and this is what he says:

36 “I am as likely to reject my people Israel as I am to abolish the laws of nature!”

37 This is what the Lord says“Just as the heavens cannot be measured and the foundations of the earth cannot be explored, so I will not consider casting them away for the evil they have done.

“I, the Lord, have spoken!”

Destined, Almighty God is calling you a liar; God states it is impossible for HIM to cast away HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE ISRAEL.

 

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  • Truthseeker

    Destined2B if what you teach and preach were the Truth you would be able to refute the scriptures and logic found in this paper

    – but we both know you can NOT!

    We will let the readers of this paper determine for themselves which is the truth and which is a lie.

  • laschuetz

    Of course, replacement theology is a lie… Look no further than Romans 11:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11&version=NASB

    The 144,000 from Revelation were chaste, first-born, Israelite males from the sect called The Way (Heb. HaDerech) in Acts who studied and worked at Qumran in the desert wilderness 15 miles east of Jerusalem. They were the “wise men of the east.” Pharisees and Sadducees were certainly NOT chaste:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+14%3A1-5&version=NASB

    Even John (Yochanan) studied there; see Luke 1:80. He was the “voice crying out in the (desert) wilderness (of Qumran).” That phrase is employed both in the New Testament and certain manuscripts from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Saul (Sha’ul) even converted to that “sect:”

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+24%3A14-16&version=NASB

    Titus Flavius Josephus, a self-described Pharisee, coined the derogatory term “Essenes” (=pious ones) that is incorrectly applied even today.

    Shema Yisrael!

    Copyright (C) 2017, L. Alan Schuetz

  • Damien

    Toothymantits

    How many Judeans were there in the first century Toothy?

    About 8 – 10 million.

    Correct?

    How many people were in the Roman Empire Toothy?

    Low End estimate – 50 million High End Estimate 100 – 150 million

    So….

    Between 1 in 5 and 1 in 10 – 15 people in the Roman Empire were Judeans

    WERE ARE THEY?

    WERE DID THEY GO?

    Judaism didn’t appear at least until 300 AD

    Might it be that there was something ELSE that DID appear everywhere EARLIER (for some unknown miraculous reason that makes these 1 in 5 people in the Roman Empire who were Judeans but not Jews (yet) obscure?

    • Truthseeker

      demon

      the Jews are only Judah and Benjamin, only 2 of the 12, and are only about 20 or 25 million today, the House of Israel is numbered today in the hundreds of millions. — they are not Jews.

      • Damien

        The House of Israel was scattered in the 700s BC. I am talking about Judeans – defined as people of the tribes of Benjamin and Judah. The Jews you are intending to referr to today state that the population of these people in the first century was around 8 – 10 million people.

        WHERE DID THEY GO?

        • Truthseeker

          demon I doubt that number and they were dispersed to the 4 winds as they are to this day and to day their numbers according to the WWW are about 20 million.

          • Damien

            In the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132-135 AD 580,000 Jews were slain, according to Cassius Dio (lxix. 14). According to Theodor Mommsen, in the first century C.E. there were no fewer than 1,000,000 Jews in Egypt, in a total of 8,000,000 inhabitants; of these 200,000 lived in Alexandria, whose total population was 500,000. Adolf Harnack (Ausbreitung des Christentums, Leipzig, 1902) reckons that there were 1,000,000 Jews in Syria (which included Lebanon) and the areas east of the Euphrates at the time of Nero in 60′s AD, and 700,000 in Judea, and he allows for an additional 1,500,000 in other places, thus estimating that there were in the first century 4,200,000 Jews in the world.

          • Damien

            Toothy

            So 4, 200,000 COULD be as much as 1 in 10ish of the Roman Empire.

  • jknbt

    Replacement Theology is a false doctrine taught my catholics, methodists, anglicans, and other mainline denominations.

    here is an answer I posted previously when you brought this up on an article titled Judeo Christian Viewpoint:

    * Christ’s first coming was to seek out the lost sheep of the house of Israel in the north (Matthew 15:24) which had compromised Jehovah worship at the Temple with golden calf worship, Baal worship, Ashtoreth worship, and other pagan practices. God had divorced Israel (Jer 3:8; Jer 5:11; Hos 2:2a; Ezek 23:2- 4, 7, 9; 2 Kgs 17:18). The law says a man cannot marry a divorced woman, including a man’s former wife if another has taken her after the divorce (Deut 24:3-4). This meant that God could not enter into covenant with Israel at the time Jesus had his ministry on earth. For Jesus to save Israel, he had to die (Rom 7:2). The marriage covenant died with his body. It was no longer binding upon death. Jesus rose from the dead into a glorified body. He was now lawfully allowed to enter into covenant with a redeemed, repentant Israel, which became the true Church. This happened on the day of Pentecost when the Church drank his cup and accepted his marriage offer (Col 1:21-22).
    * Paul taught that the Jews were cut off through unbelief since they rejected their messiah. This made room for the gentiles to be grafted in (John 10:16; Romans chapt 11). The Jews were cut off through unbelief, however they are being restored in these last days through belief. (see Romans, chapts 7-11) Have you noticed that God is making these new converts Trinity Belief Spirit Filled Christians? Trinity belief is difficult to understand and accept even if you were raised with it, and how much more difficult it is for converts from Judaism. Nevertheless, God provides grace adequate to the need that these people can come to a saving Faith. (P.S. why don’t you try to come to this place of rest for a change, also?) Jewish evangelism has been honored with great success. There are Messianic Jews preaching the gospel in these last days. There are Messianic Jewish congregations. These are a foretaste of the avalanche of converts that will happen during the Tribulation.
    * After the pretrib rapture, the Jews will finally have the sign they need to believe with the sudden departure of their Messianic cousins and the faithful gentile Christians (1 Cor 1:22). The 144000 male virgin Jewish evangelists will convert all the Jews in the world (Rev. chapt 14). The scriptures will be fulfilled that say that all Israel will be saved (Rom 11:26). God never broke covenant with Israel or the Jews (Romans 11:1-5; Deut 4:31). The Jews were set aside for a time, but now are being grafted back in according to prophecy. The replacement theology first found in the Epistle to Barnabas and taught by Tertullian and others has been proven wrong. This is still standard doctrine in certain mainline denominations, even though God has been obviously restoring his people Israel for the last 100 years.
    * Sad to say, this comes at a time of great apostasy prophesied in the scripture (2 Peter, Jude) where gentiles the world over are giving up on their faith in Christ to serve the gods of materialism, atheism, humanism, and the spirit of reprobate, unregenerate worldliness. Jesus is the Vine, and God the Father is the husbandman. He is removing the dead wood and failed grafts of gentile Christianity. Sad to say, most of these people don’t even realize what is going on. Rev. 3:17 is the scariest scripture in the bible.
    * For a better and more complete discussion, see: http://www.douglashamp.com/gods-divorce-and-remarriage-and-the-restoration-of-israel-through-the-new-covenant/ and also: http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-jews-in-prophecy/

    • Truthseeker

      jknbt

      “The 144000 male virgin Jewish evangelists” JK only 24,000 of the 144,000 are Jews, the House of Judah is composed of the tribe of Judah and the tribe of Benjamin, the House of Israel is not Jewish.

      And they are spiritual virgins as they did not spiritual fornicate with the Beast. You are thing as a catholic — that sex is sin and it is not — it is Holy to God. God commands men to reproduce –

      • jknbt

        let wise Dave Reagan instruct you on this one:

        http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-mysterious-144000/

        by “jews” I am speaking loosely, since there is no distinction among the tribes these days…the Lord knows the genealogical record of each person, so he knows who is out of each of the several tribes…he knows who is a manassah tribe person, a gad tribe person, etc. and yes, who is a judean by blood line….

        married sex within the safe boundaries of the scripture is not sin. Yes, it is encouraged. All other types of sex are sin or uncleanness…

        • Truthseeker

          jknbt I trust no man especially those of the 40,000 flavors of confusion called christianity,

          my time is spent in the WORD of GOD – as all men are liars.

          jknbt which of the 40,000 are God’s true ONE Church or are a few of them — that ONE church?

          How do “you” make that determination?

          Is it only the rapture folks, or only the trinity folks and what happens with those that believe they will go to heaven at death and also accept a trinity but not the rapture??

          With all the twists and turns it gets complicated don’t you think?

          I simply look for those that LIVE THAT WAY that Jesus Christ live as our example to follow and they are very very few indeed.

          I follow Jesus Christ as He follows His Father, I follow no man and I prove all things as commanded by that WORD.

          • jknbt

            may the Lord judge between thee and me, between thy word and my word….

            people who reject the Rapture are welcome to stay behind and go through the Tribulation as far as I’m concerned. You need to get your theology straightened out and get done with the multiple, staggering sins of unbelief you hold to, or you will be taken out in the Matt. 13 tare harvest (assuming you survive the horrific judgments of the Tribulation).

            and you’re right, it’s not my place to judge. Let the Lord decide.

    • Truthseeker

      Jknbt

      You and I do not agree on much but scripture is clear, Jesus Christ married the children of Israel at the beginning of the 40 years and that Covenant was a marriage contract.

      Christ later divorced the House of Israel but not the House of Judah i.e. the Jews.

      When Christ came to become our Passover He was still married to the House of Judah and Judah is now His widow.

      The Torah states that a priest can not marry a divorced women or a prostitute they must marry a virgin — Christ can not marry the House of Israel as they are both – even after He died as He is now our HIGH Priest. And Judah committed spiritual fornication as well.

      But Christ will marry once more when He returns as King of kings and the marriage to the 12 tribes will be Torah legal. The Book of Ruth and Hosea explain how this is situation is rectified in accord with Torah Law.

      The Covenant God made with the children of Israel in the wilderness is still legal and still a valid contract, death does not end contracts.

      Jknbt during the tribulation the remnant of all 12 tribes of Israel will be in captivity and by the beginning of that captivity America and all the nations of the British Common Wealth will have been utterly destroyed. America is Manasseh and the British Common Wealth is Ephraim.

      Jknbt are you aware of the 2nd Exodus?

      • jknbt

        the only 2nd exodus I am aware of is the catching up into the sky to meet the Lord at the second coming…

        Jehovah entered into covenant with the children of jacob when the Law was given by Moses…this was a betrothal covenant…God divorced the northern 10 tribes of Israel as in my comment above. He, Jehovah-Jesus, entered into an engagement covenant at Pentecost with redeemed Israel. At the same time, God divorced and set aside the jews of the south. This made room on the tree of life, Jesus, for the gentile converts to be grafted in by the Father.

        To restate the above, due to the apostasy of the current day, the gentiles are slowly being cut off through their own willful choices of unrepentant sin and unbelief. The jews are being grafted in to the vine again as Messianic, Trinity-Belief, spirit-filled Christians.

        The marriage feast of the Lamb is when Jesus enters into the third level of covenant with his redeemed people, the marriage covenant. Are you aware of the different levels of covenant a jewish man went through to finally arrive at a marriage?

        your theology is incredibly flawed. It reeks of H. Armstrong Church of God of Apostasy that denies the Trinity and separate co-equal co-eternal divine nature of the Heavenly Father, God the Holy Spirit, third person of the Trinity. You are not teachable or reachable…You need to repent. One more example of my throwing pearls in the wrong direction. Oh well, you can’t say you were not warned.

        • Truthseeker

          jknbt —- yes I absolutely deny the satanic doctrine of a trinity and that of a rapture and going to heaven as well!

          If you do not understand who the nations of the house of Israel are and the fact they will be destroyed and sent into captivity at the beginning of the 5th Seal i,e. the tribulation — then it is understandable why you hold firmly to the doctrines of catholic Rome.

          the FACT of a 2nd exodus from the third captivity of the 12 tribes is all through the prophets;

          Isaiah 11

          10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse ( Jesus Christ), which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and —- his rest shall be glorious.

          This is Sabbath of rest promised from the beginning, the 1000 year rest of the rule of Jesus Christ.

          11 And it shall come to pass in that day,—- [that] the Lord shall set his hand again— the second time— to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

          Isaiah is clear, Jesus Christ will for the 2nd time recover the remnant of HIS PEOPLE

          Isaiah 16

          14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

          15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: —- and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

          AGAIN Isaiah is clear after that huge 2nd exodus the children of Israel will not talk about the exodus of Moses any more — as this 2nd is so great.

          AND then they are given the Land promised to their fathers.

          In Leviticus 26 is the first Covenant and verses 27 – 33 reveals that because the nations of Israel will not obey, their countries will be destroyed and THEY, the 1/3 that are left alive will go into captivity, taken in gentiles nations.

          Leviticus 26

          27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
          28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
          29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
          30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
          31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
          32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
          33 —- And I will scatter you among the heathen,— and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

          Ezekiel states 1/3 will die of pestilence and famine and 1/3 by war i.e. world war 3, and the 1/3 remaining alive will go into captivity.

          And it is from this captivity that Christ will free and return to Jerusalem by the second exodus the remnant of all 12 tribes. THIS IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM OF GIVING HIS SEED THE PROMISE LAND FOR EVER.

          Ezekiel 5

          12 A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.

          • jknbt

            truth is truth, even if it comes from an unlikely source like a catholic…I am not catholic or any of the varieties of catholic…the catholic church is the whore church that rides on the back of the beast which will be judged according to Rev 17-18…the last thing God does before the second coming is to judge the catholic churches…

            you need deliverance from the lies the Armstrong Church of Heresies put on you…too bad that you are so sold out to that business that you can’t listen…the strongest rebuke Jesus put on any group was his indictment of the Pharisees…those people were so sold out married to their doctrine that they were willing to argue theology with God, and they did….their condemnation is just. They were cut off for killing their King. They were so buried in their doctrine they didn’t even recognize him when he appeared…

          • Truthseeker

            jknbt

            First; — the Catholic’s invented the trinity in 4 AD, the Catholic’s changed Passover to easter, the Catholic’s changed the Sabbath to the day of the sun god — why would I follow anything a pagan whore teaches? Rome has not one doctrine from God. Not ONE!

            Second; I do not follow Armstrong or any man, I learned the truth long ago that following a man leads to the ditch, Did I learn who the House of Israel is from him yes –but there is a difference – all that I hold as truth I have proven over the last 50 years to my self from the WORD of God.

            I have heard many doctrines over the years from many sources about 99% I rejected as they could not be proven by the Word.

            I have rarely read or listen to others over the last 25 years – thus ALL I know and hold as truth comes only from the Word of GOD.

            Third; why do you, JKNBT, not obey the Torah as Jesus Christ taught His Disciple to do??

            Matthew 23

            1 Then spake “”Jesus “”to the multitude,— and — to his “disciples”,

            2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

            3 “”ALL” therefore whatsoever they (the scribes and pharisees) bid you observe, —THAT OBSERVE AND DO; — but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

            What is falsely called Christianity today not only does not “DO” but they do not even teach the Torah – they have nailed it to the Stake of Christ to get rid of it – why because they only want to just believe and they refuse to OBEY!

            Jknbt I just quoted scriptures describing the 2nd exodus — why do you not know of such an important earth shaking event? And there are many many more scriptures about the 2nd exodus .

            How does the 2 exodus fit with a rapture? It does not.

            Jknbt what is the purpose of God’s creation??

            In Genesis 1 God tells us exactly HIS purpose:

            26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

            What jknbt is the image and likeness of God? GOD!

          • Truthseeker

            jknbt I did not seek you out — you commented on my paper, I am just responding.

            I you hate what I hold as truth — then do not comment on my papers.

            If I respond to one of your comments on another article — you do not need to respond, it will not “hurt my feelings”.

            For the record; I despise the day of the sun god i.e. Sunday;
            I despise the satanic doctrines of a rapture and of a trinity;
            of going to heaven as our reward;

            If Jesus Christ did not do IT or did not teach IT — neither will I — even if threaten with death.

            Did you ever wonder who these are:

            21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

            I do the will of my Father as did my Savior Jesus Christ.

          • jknbt

            Christians are not under the Law. The first church council determined this, see acts 15. Those who have gone under the Law like you and are trusting in the law for salvation are foolish galatians who have fallen from grace, see the entire book of galatians…It says, to sum up, that being baptised (or circumcised), being a good moral person, and doing good works doesn’t save anybody. Salvation is by grace through faith alone. Works doesn’t work for a plan of salvation. God gave the whole Law and Temple system to prove that sinners needed a Savior, not to make a convenient way to access heaven. (and P.S. why do you keep calling me catholic? I am far removed from them…if they teach the truth of the word, good for them. My resource is the Word, not the Pope.) I am trying to snatch you out of the pit you have dug for yourself with your 50 years of diligent study developing your system of false doctrines…your stuff is very similar to the Armstrong COG, so don’t complain if I point the fact out…if the shoe fits, wear it they say…looks like you don’t want the help any more that the sold-out-to-hell Pharisees of N.T. days wanted Jesus’ help. Fine, go your way, but don’t complain that you were never warned or given a way of escape on judgment day. Just trying to help, don’t take it mean. And PPS, I have as much right to respond in an open forum like this as anyone. If you don’t like the reproof and corrections, stop putting such shameless reprobate heresies up on BIN.

          • Truthseeker

            jknbt I am sorry you are offended by the teachings of Jesus Christ.

            how is it you can not understand logic — with out the Law listing what sin IS then there can be no such thing as SIN!

            If there were no law stating murder is a sin it would not be a sin.
            If Christ abolished the Law then there is no need to repent – is there?

            jknbk do you know how easy it is to bury you with scriptures spoken by Jesus Christ proving what you hold as true doctrines are NOT?

            And even the Apostles back up the Law — Paul says faith without works is DEAD.

            Please explain how faith can be demonstrated by other then works? running your mouth is nothing more then — noise spoken spoken into the wind.

            If the Law was only given at the time of the covenant they why does the Torah state Abraham kept the TORAH? and because of that Abraham became the father of the faithful. Genesis 26: 5.

            jknbt Jesus Christ did the WILL of His Father and just what is that WILL?
            The Torah is the WILL of God,

            the Torah reveals to man the Holy Righteous perfect divine Nature of GOD.

            King James Bible

            The Sermon on the Mount

            1And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

            The Beatitudes

            (Psalm 1:1-6; Luke 6:20-23)

            3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

            4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

            5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

            6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

            7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

            8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

            9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

            10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

            11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

            Salt and Light

            (Philippians 2:12-18)

            13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

            14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

            Jesus Fulfills the Law

            17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

            18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

            19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

            but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

            jknbt as Christ taught above I DO and I teach the commandments — are you the least in the kingdom?

          • Truthseeker

            the following was not meant to be included — I did not see it was highlighted.

            The Sermon on the Mount

            1And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

            The Beatitudes

            (Psalm 1:1-6; Luke 6:20-23)

            3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

            4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

            5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

            6Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

            7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

            8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

            9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

            10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

            11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

            Salt and Light

            (Philippians 2:12-18)

            13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

            14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

            Jesus Fulfills the Law

          • jknbt

            Gal. 3:24 says that the Law was a mentor, tutor, guardian, schoolmaster, and pedagogue until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
            (King James Bible) “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”

            Christians are not bound by Mosaic ritual or ceremonial law. Nobody has to bring a sheep to the priest to be slaughtered anymore. Nobody has to go to Jerusalem for pilgrimage three times a year anymore. Christians are bound by the moral law. People who do persistent gross immoralities are not christians, but are self deceived:
            • “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!” (Matt. 7:23) (Note: The KJV word here is “iniquity”.)
            • “But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.” (Matt. 10:33)
            • “And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.” (Matt. 10:38-39)
            • “But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.” (Mark 11:26)
            • “For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God” (Eph. 5:5)
            • “But the rest of mankind, …did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons and idols…And they did not repent of their murders, …sorceries, …sexual immorality, or their thefts.” (Rev. 9:20-21)
            • “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)
            • “But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” (1 Tim. 5:8).
            • “Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.” (1 John 3:7-10)
            How can anyone hope to be saved, since the standard is so high? The Lord has set an impossibly high standard. How can anyone be saved then? The Scriptures says, “But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible” (Matt. 19:26).
            If a person honestly acknowledges his sin, asks for forgiveness, promises to reform, and invoke God’s help to do the right thing, God can accept that. God apparently takes it on a good faith promise that the convert will go and sin no more. None of us is perfect, and there is no salvation by works of perfection.
            All of us have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Because of the work on the cross in the Lord’s death, burial, resurrection, and blood atonement, we can live in hope. If a Christian falls into sin, he can be forgiven and cleansed. This is one of the most encouraging and happy things in the gospel:
            “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).
            “I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins” (Isa. 43:25)
            “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit” (Rom. 8:1)
            We are saved because he is so good, not because we are so good. If you fall, you can repent, and you can be restored. That’s the deal. Repent while you still can. Repent quickly, for the Lord is coming soon!

          • Truthseeker

            jknbt

            I love this teaching by Paul.

            because so many want the Torah to vanish, they never ask the question how can the obeying the commandments justify? Answer — it can never justify –period never — the Law can only point the bright light of truth on our sins.

            obeying the commandments can never JUSTIFY — look up the word – obeying the commandments is NOT a payment.

            Gal. 3:24 says that the Law was a mentor, tutor, guardian, schoolmaster, and pedagogue until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

            (King James Bible) “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”

            What in the Torah, which was added because of sin, pointed to the justification Jesus Christ came to do for those the Father called?

            The answer the sacrificial law which was added because of sin: offering animal sacrifices pointed to and was the school master that taught us the need for the death of Jesus Christ as our Passover.

            Leviticus 26: 1 – 39 is the complete Covenant — show us where it commands animal sacrifice. You will not find sacrifice in the Covenant.

            Justify or redeem means to “buy back”, Christ paid our debt of death each of us is UNDER by His death on the stake. He bought us, by His Blood, He redeemed us from our debt to sin by His shed blood.

            Jknbt, when I quote the words of Jesus Christ that are 180 degrees from what you and all the others want Christ to say — most bring up Paul because Paul is easy to twist.

            Paul is a brilliant Torah scholar which make those that know nothing about the Torah easily confused.

            The writings in the New Testament must agree 100% with what is written in what is called the Old Testament. God is not the author of confusion — that is Satan’s job.

            jknbt you wrote:
            “We are saved because he is so good, not because we are so good. If you fall, you can repent, and you can be restored. That’s the deal. Repent while you still can. Repent quickly, for the Lord is coming soon!”‘

            Are you suggesting I must repent from obeying God’s Law?

            The entirety of God’s WORD states we must repent from transgressing the HOLY Law of God.

            1 John 3: 4 For sin is the transgression of the LAW!

            What exactly are you stating I must repent of ???

            If you want me to become one of the 40,000 flavors of so called christianity — over my dead body — the chances that would occur is a negative – 100%.

            I never was a member of or a part of what today is falsely called Christianity and never will be.

          • jknbt

            since you don’t respect me or my opinions, I would be throwing more pearls at you to try to describe the repentance you need….so figure it out for yourself. Yours is the only opinion you respect.

          • Truthseeker

            jknbt

            How is it you do not understand — I do not live my life according to the opinions of others or even my own.

            I want to know the TRUTH — the ABSOLUTE TRUTH and THAT ETERNAL TRUTH is only found in the WORD of GOD.

            I search the scriptures daily and my Father reveals HIS truth to me because I obey HIM.

            I have been posting and commenting of BIN for 5 years or more – as I use clear scriptures and the logic God gave me — 99% never even attempt to refute what is posted —-why because they can not! The TRUTH is THE TRUTH.

            Oh they attack me and like you, tell me I must repent of loving the HOLY LAW of my Father and His Son.

            I have refuted Destined2B false doctrines for a few years and he never even attempts to counter the quotes or the logic — he knows he can not.

            In the paper above which proves Destined’s replacement theology is a lie, most would at least attempt to prove it wrong — destined knows he can not change what the WORD states.

            jknbt the only repentance the Word speaks of is repenting of the transgressions of GOD’s Holy LAW.

            1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

            2Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

            3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and DO them;

            4 Then —- I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

            14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

            15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:

            16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

            17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

            18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

            19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:

            20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

            these are not the words spoken by the Father — these are the Words of Jesus Christ spoken by HIS MOUTH.

  • Truthseeker

    Destined the scriptures in this paper prove God would never – could never – reject HIS Chosen People and turn to gentiles — yet you persist in your disproved doctrine?

    Are you just an extremely hardheaded fellow or is your nature to drive a round peg into a square hole?

  • destinedtoberevealed

    This replacement theory fits in with the supremacist ideology of a people who hate Christ who is the everlasting Father see Isa 9:6
    It represents a fraud as does the filthy man made nation today that falsely claims to be the Israel of God and the chosen ones
    Let it be known these terrorists who adhere to the Kabbalah which is a book from Hell have a certain destiny alright it is to be destroyed by the Ten Kings as found in Revelations chapters 17-18

    The Parable of the Vineyard is in reference to Christ desiring the people to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance, over the course of three long years. The false house of Judah rejected Jesus, who then declared, “behold your house is left unto you desolate”.

    Mark 12:6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

    The Parable of the Vineyard was Christ’s prophecy concerning his own betrayal and death, as well as those who would represent His true church (Mark 12:8-9).

    The Parable of the Vineyard was a Prophetic Warning to a reprobate religious group, that has a past as well as a future implication to it.

    The parable of the vineyard is indeed directed towards the chief priests, and the elders of the people of Judea. Today only the names have changed.

    God sent his servants or prophets to an ungodly people and they killed these men of God (Mat 23:29-34). Jesus Christ came after the prophets, and they killed him as well.

    The parable of the vineyard describes a wicked people involved in a premeditated murder. They said, “come, let us kill the heir, and the inheritance shall be ours” (Mark 12:7).

    The Judeans for the most part rejected Jesus, and in doing so he also rejected them. He then set about to give the promise to others.

    Isaiah 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts

    The Parable of the Vineyard describes a people that had become self-righteous in all of their ways. They claimed to be holier than those who they encountered, but were in fact full of iniquity (Isa 65:5-7, Isa 1:4).

    Isaiah 65:12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

    The Parable of the Vineyard warning, is also for the deceived religious people of today.

    How many within Christianity are self absorbed and pious, all the while being blind to the true gospel message of Christ.

    Isaiah 65:14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

    You will be hard pressed to find a modern biblical commentary describing the true message contained in the Parable of the Vineyard today.

    Isaiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

    The elect refers to the believer in Christ Jesus as seen in the verse below. Also this prophecy is most definitely a future event (Isa 65:25).

    1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    Jesus would also call his servants by another name; the name Christian refers to a follower of Christ (Acts 11:26, 1 Peter 2:21).

    Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

    Interestingly enough the Parable of the Vineyard was understood by those of the synagogue of satan, who conspired to kill the Messiah (Rev 2:9, Acts 3:13-15).

    John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now

    Jesus Christ has brought forth the good or new wine last. The New Testament covenant, is a metaphor of the good wine, which is brought forth last. The first was imperfect and was not nearly as good as the new (Jer 31:31, Heb 8:8, 13). Also everything contained in the Law and the prophets concerning Christ, was fulfilled or completed by Him, on the Cross. The old has indeed vanished, as it has been replaced with the new.

    Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    The Old Testament reveals Christ our Savior who is able to cleanse us from all of our sins.

    Luke 22:17-18 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

    Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

    This is the emphasis of the entire New Testament, and the fulfillment of the Old.

    Luke 5:36 No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.

    • Truthseeker

      destined you are even more confused then I first thought. and your response leave much to be desired as You add your own words into scriptures and bounce all over the place.

      “Isaiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.”

      the seed spoken of IS Jesus Christ, a seed, and HE shall inherit my mountains i.e My governments, Jesus Christ came out of Jacob through Judah, Jacob son, as prophecy foretold. Judah was given the Scepter (kingship) and Joseph the birthright (the land). Jesus Christ is King of kings and bring God’s Government to earth to restore order and the LAW!

      “The elect refers to the believer in Christ Jesus as seen in the verse below. Also this prophecy is most definitely a future event (Isa 65:25).”

      the elect has always been the children of Israel — just because you want the term “elect’ to refer to believers in Christ does not make that the Truth — show us a clear scripture because verse 9 in no way speaks of christians or followers of Christ as the elect.

      How is it you do not understand, it is not just the Jews that rejected Jesus Christ as king, the vast majority of the 12 tribes refuse to obey to this very day and if Christ came back as a human man today the entire world including what is falsely called Christianity would kill Him again . Why do you think His coming as a warrior KING ready to do battle with HIS two edged sword?

      Human nature, the same nature you and I have naturally hates God’s Holy Law and will never obey. If God the Father does not call a person to Christ and if that called person does not have their carnal nature converted to Divine Nature it is impossible for any to obey and to ever please God.

      The power of God the Father’s spirit working in a converted person begins the salvation process, our carnal nature must be circumcised away by the circumcision without hands and in its place the Holy Divine nature of God the Father must be formed.

      XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
      Here is what you wrote:
      “Interestingly enough the Parable of the Vineyard was understood by those of the synagogue of satan, who conspired to kill the Messiah (Rev 2:9, Acts 3:13-15).

      John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now”

      Jesus Christ has brought forth the good or new wine last. The New Testament covenant, is a metaphor of the good wine, which is brought forth last. The first was imperfect and was not nearly as good as the new (Jer 31:31, Heb 8:8, 13). Also everything contained in the Law and the prophets concerning Christ, was fulfilled or completed by Him, on the Cross. The old has indeed vanished, as it has been replaced with the new.

      Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
      XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

      Yes the good wine is last as the new covenant is the better but as Heb 8:13 clearly states the old “It is ready to vanish away” — it is not as you want — “The old has indeed vanished, as it has been replaced with the new” — that is not what Paul said Paul said ‘it is ready to vanish’ — you as always are in a big hurry to dump the Law that proves you are a sinner into the garbage can.

      And the First covenant/contract, which was a marriage contract, was not imperfect as you claim!! Paul states it was glorious!

      The need for the new rest solely on the people as THEY could not live up to the terms of the contract, The first contract was perfect it was the people that failed not the contract or God.

      destined please get this one —- Christ came and lived to perfection the Law of the Torah –Christ “fulfilled” — fulfilled does not at all mean abolished, all the Law. If Christ has transgressed even slightly, the most minor law He could have become our Passover. Simply living perfectly by the Law does not end it.

      And He did “complete” the law by making it spiritual as well as physical — it is now sin to commit adultery in one’s mind. Christ filled the law to the full and made it glorious.

      And here is another point you can not seem to grasps, only the promises were changed, nothing else — which means the Law was not removed from the new covenant.

      Without a duty, a “consideration” a contract is not legally binding — thus without the duty to obey God’s Holy Law the New would not be a valid contact.

      Well I am pleasantly surprised, you finally attempted to refute, I hope you will take the time to read the response,

      • Truthseeker

        Destined here are the WORD’s of the LORD GOD:

        Jeremiah 31:

        35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:

        36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then]—– the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

        37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

        Here are the WORDS of ALMIGHTY GOD; —– IF the ordinances of the sun and the moon and the stars depart from being ordinances THEN and ONLY THEN will I cast off the seed of Israel.

        Does the sun come up in the east every day? Destined — Do you see the moon rise in the night sky and do the stars shine in the night sky —- then it is impossible for God to cast away HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE ISRAEL.

        The NIV translation

        35 This is what the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the season that its waves roar—the Lord Almighty is his name:

        36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”declares the Lord,“ will Israel ever cease being a nation before me.”

        The NLT

        35 It is the Lord who provides the sun to light the day and the moon and stars to light the night, and who stirs the sea into roaring waves. His name is the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, and this is what he says:

        36 “I am as likely to reject my people Israel as I am to abolish the laws of nature!”

        37 This is what the Lord says“Just as the heavens cannot be measured and the foundations of the earth cannot be explored, so I will not consider casting them away for the evil they have done.

        “I, the Lord, have spoken!”

        Destined, To whom shall I look for TRUTH??? To You or to the WORD of my GOD??

        Please explain in detail how or why what Jesus Christ has placed in the WORD of God, that we are commanded to live by every word of,,,, does not mean what it clearly states.

      • Truthseeker

        He could__ “NOT” ___ have become our Passover.—– I somehow left out the NOT.

    • Truthseeker

      by the way destined did you have any specific comments on the scriptures or logic in this paper?

      And Wow you sure hate the Jews, I hope you change your mind — they are no better or worse then the other 10 tribes or the gentiles.

      Does your hatred apply to Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles and Paul? Are all Jews evil?

      • Truthseeker

        destined

        by the way, the reason the Jews rejected Christ — He came to His Own! — He did not come to anyone else, He at first did not come to the House of Israel only to the House of Judah.

        Do you see, Christ did not come to Rome or to Greece otherwise they would have killed Him?

        If you will study Jeremiah 31: 32 – 33 you will find the new covenant promise of the Torah becoming their Nature was to be offered only to the House of Israel and not to the House of Judah until later.

        Christ knew before the earth was made “His own” would reject Him — and you point your finger at the Jews???
        Destined you would have done the exact same thing the Jews did.

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